I am absolutely saving this video to come reference in the next week when I perform the waterfall leg on a walnut river desk. you are going to want to see this desk when I upload a video on it. and then George, you can say, I gave that guy the idea for setting his waterfalls! cheers!
George, I don't know what kind of CA glue you're using, but mine would laugh at me if I tried that. Great technique though, gorgeous table. Wish we had spalted woods like that in AZ. Cheers! C.
If you are using the dominos only for alignment, your glue application is fine, but for maximum strength, it is vital to apply glue to both the mortise and the domino. When you insert the domino into the mortise it wipes the glue from the sides. If you apply glue to the domino, the shallow indentations on it’s face carry glue into the mortise for a stronger joint.
Great video! Only problem I'm having is how to get rid of the glue stains. I already sanded my table before I did the glue up, and 220 grit isn't getting it off. Any ideas, or do I have to resand from a much lower grit? Thanks!
Just use slot of cheap disposal sanding discs the glue once it gets warm and in your disc it's fairly useless or if they're still good soak them in a mild caustic soda solution for half an hour or so then wash them off with a hose that has decent pressure should come out like brand new To;dr glue clogs the shit out of sanding pads that's most likely the problem
I am worried about this as well. When you use Plywood, will it pull off some of the Plywood Laminate or will you sand through it trying to get the Glue off. Here is a great solution I saw on TH-cam just last night. Instead of gluing the Clamping Blocks directly to the Work Piece, make a "Clamping Call" 1/4 inch thick out of a piece of wood the width of the Joint and several inches long, and then Clamp the Call to the Work Piece in align with the Joint. The result is the same, but no need to Break off the Glue Blocks, just unclamp them!
I wasn't very clear. The idea is the glue the Clamping Blocks to the Clamping Call, then clamp the Call to the work piece in align with the Joint. Now the result id the same!
These look great, as well as slab tables. What makes me reluctant to engage on these projects is the possibility of having that wide slab to cup or twist on me... How do you prevent that? Iron c profiles?
Hello, Thank you for contacting us. It is as simple as starting with stable, dry wood, and applying an even number of coats on top and bottom. If you do that, you won't have any problems with cupping. If you don't take those steps, you WILL have problems, regardless of what other measures you take to try to prevent movement. If you have any other questions, please chat, email, or call Customer Service. Sincerely, Sarah Wood Workers Guild of America Video Membership
To suggest some more accurate terminology on this instructive video: the CA glue has decent shear strength, it is a shear load that the clamps are applying and the joint is resisting. What CA glue does not have is good impact resistance, hence the joint failure on being struck with the mallet. This video gives a great demonstration on how to use those two properties to advantage.
My physics is a little rusty. But i think the terms could be that it is great in compression strength, but poor in tensile strength? much like concrete, it can withstand a heavy uniform load, but drop a marble on concrete and it might chip. Not sure. its been a minute!
I happened to make my mitre cut right where there was a pretty sharp curve on one side of the live edge. Now I have hang over on one side?? Is there something I can do to fix it?!?!
It never hurts to reinforce something like this, but that is a very robust joint as-is without any reinforcement. It would take quite an impact to injure that joint; something that wouldn't be likely occur during normal household use, even with a house full of teenagers. :) Paul
George, I really enjoy your videos. Short of investing in a Domino, what other joinery techniques would you suggest? I’ve been delaying a waterfall bench while I overthink it. My latest iteration is something like biscuits for alignment, then coming back with dovetail splines across the mitre. I’d be interested in your thoughts; keep up the great work!
Hello. Thanks for the feedback. Your approach would work fine. The glue alone will have a lot of strength, and the dovetail splines should make it a very durable joint. Thanks Paul-Woodworkers Guild of America
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Thank you for your patience. Here is our expert's response: George used the fence on his domino along with registration lines and careful execution to achieve perfect alignment. The Domino gives you a bit of horizontal wiggle room to take some of the stress out of the equation. If you have any other questions, please chat, email, or call Customer Service. Sincerely, Sarah Wood Workers Guild of America Video Membership
I wish I had read all the comments before ruining my piece. I glued with CA glue per the video and when I knocked them off, 2 of the blocks took long strands of the wood grain fibers with them. Cherry table, cherry blocks for clamping. Awful advice. The recommendation of gluing the blocks to scrap and clamping the scrap to the piece (explained in a comment below) is much better advice as well as using hide glue that some other TH-camrs recommend. Very disappointing.
I am absolutely saving this video to come reference in the next week when I perform the waterfall leg on a walnut river desk. you are going to want to see this desk when I upload a video on it. and then George, you can say, I gave that guy the idea for setting his waterfalls! cheers!
Beautiful work and great tips. Thanks George!
Using the blocks you just cut is genius
Excellent video! Very well presented and informative. Thank you!
Great video George - I have to glue up a mitered cabinet tomorrow so will take some leaves out of your playbook!
wow that'll be beautiful! That CA Glue worked like a miracle!
I like the CA glue idea Thanks
Great job explaining everything thank you very much 👍
You kinda blew my mind with the block removal. I’m gonna change my ways.
Glad this was of help!
👏👏👏👏👏 muy bueno! Felicitaciones! Tomo ideas
George, I don't know what kind of CA glue you're using, but mine would laugh at me if I tried that. Great technique though, gorgeous table. Wish we had spalted woods like that in AZ. Cheers! C.
@ 2:15 he says it, a Medium Viscosity CA Glue
i would of liked to see how you finished that stunning table
If you are using the dominos only for alignment, your glue application is fine, but for maximum strength, it is vital to apply glue to both the mortise and the domino. When you insert the domino into the mortise it wipes the glue from the sides. If you apply glue to the domino, the shallow indentations on it’s face carry glue into the mortise for a stronger joint.
Good idea!
Great video! Only problem I'm having is how to get rid of the glue stains. I already sanded my table before I did the glue up, and 220 grit isn't getting it off. Any ideas, or do I have to resand from a much lower grit? Thanks!
Alex Tillett-Saks , did you ever get a answer?
Just use slot of cheap disposal sanding discs the glue once it gets warm and in your disc it's fairly useless or if they're still good soak them in a mild caustic soda solution for half an hour or so then wash them off with a hose that has decent pressure should come out like brand new
To;dr glue clogs the shit out of sanding pads that's most likely the problem
And 220 is probably too fine maybe use a 120 or 80 then clean it up with anywhere between 240 and 800grit and it should come up perfect
I am worried about this as well. When you use Plywood, will it pull off some of the Plywood Laminate or will you sand through it trying to get the Glue off.
Here is a great solution I saw on TH-cam just last night. Instead of gluing the Clamping Blocks directly to the Work Piece, make a "Clamping Call" 1/4 inch thick out of a piece of wood the width of the Joint and several inches long, and then Clamp the Call to the Work Piece in align with the Joint. The result is the same, but no need to Break off the Glue Blocks, just unclamp them!
I wasn't very clear. The idea is the glue the Clamping Blocks to the Clamping Call, then clamp the Call to the work piece in align with the Joint. Now the result id the same!
To avoid using glue blocks a 90 degree steel bracket and some pipe clamps works great to.
How stable is a joint like this? I'm looking at making a table that's 72wx30hx16d; will this be strong enough without swaying?
These look great, as well as slab tables. What makes me reluctant to engage on these projects is the possibility of having that wide slab to cup or twist on me... How do you prevent that? Iron c profiles?
Hello,
Thank you for contacting us.
It is as simple as starting with stable, dry wood, and applying an even number of coats on top and bottom. If you do that, you won't have any problems with cupping. If you don't take those steps, you WILL have problems, regardless of what other measures you take to try to prevent movement.
If you have any other questions, please chat, email, or call Customer Service.
Sincerely,
Sarah
Wood Workers Guild of America Video Membership
Hi, very interesting thanks
To suggest some more accurate terminology on this instructive video: the CA glue has decent shear strength, it is a shear load that the clamps are applying and the joint is resisting. What CA glue does not have is good impact resistance, hence the joint failure on being struck with the mallet. This video gives a great demonstration on how to use those two properties to advantage.
My physics is a little rusty. But i think the terms could be that it is great in compression strength, but poor in tensile strength? much like concrete, it can withstand a heavy uniform load, but drop a marble on concrete and it might chip. Not sure. its been a minute!
Thanks for the video, would biscuits and glue be strong enough?
I doubt the domino's did anything but align the boards
Thanks
I happened to make my mitre cut right where there was a pretty sharp curve on one side of the live edge. Now I have hang over on one side?? Is there something I can do to fix it?!?!
Is there a need for supports on the lower legs spanning across the table?
It never hurts to reinforce something like this, but that is a very robust joint as-is without any reinforcement. It would take quite an impact to injure that joint; something that wouldn't be likely occur during normal household use, even with a house full of teenagers. :)
Paul
Looked a little wobbly while removing the clamps
George, I really enjoy your videos. Short of investing in a Domino, what other joinery techniques would you suggest? I’ve been delaying a waterfall bench while I overthink it. My latest iteration is something like biscuits for alignment, then coming back with dovetail splines across the mitre. I’d be interested in your thoughts; keep up the great work!
Hello. Thanks for the feedback. Your approach would work fine. The glue alone will have a lot of strength, and the dovetail splines should make it a very durable joint.
Thanks
Paul-Woodworkers Guild of America
Awesome trick saves spending thousands on bar clamps
How do you determine where to put the dominos in? As in what angle?.
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Does this work with plywood?
I wish I had that answer as well. Planning to make a desk using plywood, but not sure if it will damage the panel.
I tried this but my Ca Glue was absorved by the wood staining it, next time i will try to put a carpet tape on the table to avoid it.
How do you get the dominoes to align perfectly?
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Thank you for your patience. Here is our expert's response:
George used the fence on his domino along with registration lines and careful execution to achieve perfect alignment. The Domino gives you a bit of horizontal wiggle room to take some of the stress out of the equation.
If you have any other questions, please chat, email, or call Customer Service.
Sincerely,
Sarah
Wood Workers Guild of America Video Membership
You know what would have looked cool? Using the offcuts to make dovetailed splines on the miter.
I wish I had read all the comments before ruining my piece. I glued with CA glue per the video and when I knocked them off, 2 of the blocks took long strands of the wood grain fibers with them. Cherry table, cherry blocks for clamping. Awful advice. The recommendation of gluing the blocks to scrap and clamping the scrap to the piece (explained in a comment below) is much better advice as well as using hide glue that some other TH-camrs recommend. Very disappointing.