It's so ridiculously funny to think a kid getting bullied relentlessly for having no backbone is ALSO hated by fans for being bullied relentlessly for having no backbone..my man can never win.
He’s not a bad character but how can you hate on a character that appears for 3 minutes in the whole show Btw ratio on every reply and you liked ur own reply’s lol 💀
Fun fact: Pip was originally meant to die at the end of Damien when the demons attack him, but he got a reprieve because halfway through season 1 was too early to be killing off one of the few recurring characters the show had at that point.
Supposedly Matt and Trey HATED having to read Great Expectations in school and created Pip and did a South Park retelling of the novel for an episode because they wanted to rip it a new one.
That just forced them to have to read about the story again in order to remember enough of it to parody a Southpark episode after it. I call that a loss on their part.
@@greywolf7577 What would you have them do? Make fun of it from the vague memories they had from high school and create an inaccurate product? Or actually do their homework so when they make fun of it, they know what the hell they're talking about. The best parodies usually start with love and care for the source material, or people who actually studied how it works because otherwise the parody comes off as shallow or meanspirited.
I think it boils down to the fact that pip goes over that threshold where instead of finding his torture funny you just feel sad. Butters has enough character where you feel bad for him but also find it funny to see him struggle. Pip feels like an actual abused child whos parents told them to shut up all the time and now he just accepts any kind of abuse that comes his way.
Exactly. The one thing that made Pip hated; he was extremely one note. We knew nothing about him aside from him being based on the Dickens novel, that he was british and deserved to be bullied. And that was it. The most memorable thing related to Pip (in my head) is that he was crushed by the rebuilt Mecha Streisand...In his final scene ever, on an episode that I still haven't seen on its entirety for obvious reasons... And that's saying something lol.
I think Pip’s problem revolves around advice they used to (and maybe still do) give kids about bullies. The advice was “ignore them, and if you don’t give them what they want, which is sometimes just a reaction, they will stop because it’s no longer interesting to them.” Butters getting picked on lands because he always gets dejected or angry (to the point of becoming Professor Chaos). Pip’s lack of reaction doesn’t give the audience what we want, so him being bullied provides no gratification (as messed up as it might sound that we are getting gratification from watching bullying). His reaction to the French insult was funny because now he finally cares and reacts by hating the idea of being French.
I think it depends on the situation. There was bully in school where I went who looked physically able to beat kids up, but he only ever verbally abused them. He would criticize their looks or clothes. The bullied kids would try to make excuses or apologies. But the bully enjoyed the fact that they felt bad about what he said. However when he tried it on me, I just responded "What does it matter?" He could tell that I wasn't going to debase or think badly of myself so he never targeted me again. Maybe this wouldn't work on all bullies, but it certainly works on ones like I dealt with.
@@greywolf7577 exactly. Of course, in reality there are those kids who only want to beat up someone smaller than them, in which case “don’t give them what they want” doesn’t work in the same manner (except maybe it does, because if that smaller kid is able to fight back and even win, the bully definitely didn’t get what he wanted lol)
@@ddelarosa96 Problem with most bullys is even you show your back bone and stand up against them... nope they dont go away they just come back with bigger numbers.
PIP in "conjoined fetus lady"(dodgeball episode) is amazing. It's the one episode he doesn't take shit from any of the boys. Probably my favorite episode of the first 2 seasons
A great episode that displays everything you love about Butters is AWESOMEO. It perfectly puts at the forefront his naivety and his backbone. For most of the episode he misses the obvious clues that Cartman is pretending to be AWESOMEO, but also his backbone when he reveals his potential blackmail on Cartman and intent to use it if Cartman does shit
I actually kind of like Pip, he just wants to fit in and make friends. And when others are mean, he just takes it in stride. Maybe you can't see the tortured kindness of a struggling kid. But I can relate
As a British person I also think it’s funny to bring up the fact that I’ve never heard of anyone having to read great expectations in school, usually it’s of mice and men
A Tale of Two Cities is far more common than Great Expectations, but we read both at my school (Two Cities was for "advanced" classes). To be fair, I went to American public school in the middle of nowhere, so my high school may not be a great representation. It honestly got worse. We read The Hunger Games the next year, and then Black like Me (look it up; a very ignorant book on a conceptual level). We did read Night, but that teacher had to argue with the schoolboard to be allowed to teach it.
@@elitegenoside Hunger games was given as mandatory reading for me in high school as well, and I will never understand why, although I was never made to read Dickens.
@@Bloomser I'd like you to do a follow up video on this episode titled: "Improving upon Pip". Maybe get creative and make something up for what Pip should have been. I believe he had a lot of potential (Pirmarily as a representation for the British).
Also, he's indeed not fitting for South Park. XIX century brittish mannerisms just don't mix with South Park's crude style. I wouldn't say he's the worst character, because the driver old lady is even worse, but is definitely a low tier.
My best friend from High School and I, both of whom were forced to read Great Expectations at school within a year or two of the original airing of the Pip episode, thought the episode was absolutely hysterical (despite the negative reputation it had since the beginning). Even watching this video, I laughed out loud multiple times just from the clips you showed. RIP K.W., I wish you were still here to laugh about Pip with me. ❤
Yeah that was my impression as well. I ever understood why people hate this episode so much. It’s a great episode if you understand the source material
I never minded the character Pip. I saw him in the ep Damien as an example of what would happen if schoolchildren actually took the then-standard advice about bullying. Pip is a satirical character: "What do you want? A student who cheerfully takes abuse from everyone? Here's what that would look like: Any kid who did what YOU told them would end up as a complete victim with no other personality." I wonder if you just don't know, but what Mr. Mackey says about bullying is REALLY close to what 80s and 90s kids ACTUALLY GOT: Not just "be submissive," but "if you are more submissive, the bullying will stop and people will like you." THAT WAS REAL!!
Can confirm, I was basically given that exact advice by my mother due to being bullied in school. I told her EVERY time that it was complete nonsense and didn't work, but she never listened. That said, my own way of handling the situation (i.e. by responding to the bullying with sarcasm and verbal mockery) just exacerbated everything... and things probably would have gone slightly less badly if I'd just remained quiet, admittedly.
@@SotiCotoAh, but CAN a child of four, of eight just be quiet when someone is getting in their face? If it's okay to demand that level of self control from the victim, why not demand it of the bully too? Unless of course, it is a trick to convince the victim that the abuse is their own fault. A submissive victim, a Pip, absorbs all the other students' poison, and the school can pretend that they don't have a bullying problem.
@@CyberLance26 Pip acts like what parents describe as a perfect child. Just takes their advice and does what our parents said we should do. Also no crying, having fun or making trouble.
The reason the great expectations episode is so funny is because it’s actually like a cliff notes accurate retelling of the novel (with obvious South Park jokes just peppered in), but then they completely DESTROY the ending without warning, as though the original novel also went completely bonkers at the end without warning.
The original novel was bonkers from beginning to end, maybe that’s why it worked better as a cartoon. The new ending made better use of the character Miss Havisham though.
When I told my fiance that Pip and this episode are hated by a large part of the fanbase, he looked at me like I had five heads. He unironically loves this episode, we just watched it maybe a week or two ago. Idek if he's ever read Great Expectations tbh, he just unironically likes the episode and chuckles throughout every time we watch it 😂 I'm pretty neutral to it over all, it doesn't hit any major emotional chords for me positively or negatively; but honestly I do miss Pip as a character in the show. Sometimes a little slapstick is nice, and I don't always want it to be Butters who has these crazy physical injuries like when the boys got a ninja star stuck in his eye.. Butters kinda goes through enough imo, so it'd be nice to bring Pip back even if he is just there to be bullied. To me even tho Pip on his own would be an incredibly dull character, it's the fact that he's a relatively normal kid in this bombastic crazy town where anything can happen, it's funny to see other characters' reactions to just his general existence. Like Chef telling him "Yes Pip, I'm afraid it does" when he asks if it always has to be him without a helmet. 😂 That always cracks me up. To me Pip is best used in Ensemble episodes like when they beat China in dodgeball, yet Pip still gets 0 respect after that. Or when he's with Stan and the Melvins. He'd be incredibly boring in a scene on his own or with only other characters like him, but stick him in a group of people with varying personalities and he shines a lot more. RIP Pip, you have at least one fan out here 😂
I think they should've made him into steve-o. If you look at his history Steve-o was a wealthy british kid who transferred to living in the U S at a young age. It would be hilarious, especially given how stable he is somehow today.
I like to think Trey and Matt made Pip as the "He's British, so he's not funny and he sucks" type character. Even in his episode all the characters look gross and deformed just to be like "Hey, British people look like shit don't they?" Then they tried to give him a moment by giving him an episode where he gets mad and is cracked at dodgeball. I feel like they tried to make him stick, but when people just didn't like him they're just like, "Well, guess we gotta kill him."
I don't think they would've conceived of him as "British therefore not funny" because it was over Monty Python's Flying Circus reruns Wednesdays at 10 that Trey and Matt bonded in college. They think British people are funny, almost inherently so because of the voices. More likely they needed an upbeat victim character and there exists a certain type of hard-lucked irrepressible British youth that fits the bill, _cough Pip from Great Expectations cough_ so they threw him in.
@@OwlyOwlman Thanks. My best friend and I in college bonded over South Park Wednesdays at 10 so when I found out that’s how Trey & Matt met I was like FATE HAS BROUGHT US HERE and decided to start watching Flying Circus, which is hilarious and you can totally see the influence on SP. British people can be extremely funny-Blackadder, Fry & Laurie, Jeeves & Wooster. And again, the accents are just inherently comical, to my ears and, judging from the voices Trey & Matt do, to theirs as well.
Don’t you realize that when you bully someone you don’t view them as a person you don’t see their opinions you just see the surface level. That’s why pip just seems like an object.
I never understood the hate pip got when I first got into South Park as a kid he was immediately one of my favorite characters and I loved his stand alone episode it inspired me to read great expectations and it was one of my favorite books in middle school
Hell, the only reason Pip didn't take out those robot monkeys and Ms Havasham that first time was because he was only using 0.1% of his power that night.
The worst character on South Park is easily Towelie. He is just a plain stupid character. Whereas you can argue that Pip doesn't add anything to the scenes that he is in, he doesn't take anything away either. Towelie makes every scene that he is in worse. The worst episode of the series is "Terrance and Phillip in Not Without My Anus". This episode would be excruciatingly annoying all by itself, but it is even worse as it was positioned directly in the between the two parts of a cliffhanger episode. It was seemingly made by the creators of South Park as a "joke" to prank the viewers. It is nothing more than the series creators completely forgetting their audience to amuse themselves. It should be noted that the only episode that is ranked lower on IMDB than "Terrance and Phillip in Not Without My Anus" is the Towelie based episode "A Million Little Fibers"
I feel like the hate for the episode is overblown. It was a nice change of pace. A bit of variety, a bit of culture. Making fun of another country for a change. Taking a look at the origins of a background character in a different way. This is the best of the worst episodes to me.
@@kflow1379 Feels like that was kinda the idea. Pip and his family are supposed to be ironic bad and annoying, kinda like Towelie later on in the series.
I actually liked the episode, but to be fair, I liked the "great expectations" movie too. The old lady being a hammy super villain that plays with the emotions of children and teenagers is kind of great in how petty she is.
Them cutting out Pip in the pilot was kind of an accident. The unaired pilot was 28 minutes long but because of commercials they had to cut 4 or 5 minutes, so they chose the minutes that had the most filler. (It did explain why Cartman's farts were on fire but I doubt anybody cared about that. I think we all kind of assumed that the fire was due to the alien probe or something.)
1) The worst South Park episode is Jakovasaurs. 2) The Pip episode is hilariously funny IF....you recently read Great Expectations and understood it without hating it. . . also subtitles help to catch all the scathing insults. But I agree they 86'd Pip because Butters does the job sooo much better.
The one thing that confused me more than anything about Pip is that if he sucks so much, how/why did he get as far as he did in the new friend contest?
he worked as a background character, there wasn't much to flesh out about him so giving him an entire episode was a bad idea, there is a right way to make an episode dedicated to side characters like fraggle rock's "the trial of cotterpin doozer" but this one fell flat (I highly recommend watching the fraggle rock episode I mentioned)
I like Pip(character) but i find it pretty funny how the community acts the same as the characters on the show when it comes to him. While i don´t agree with the hate both the character and the episode get, this video helped me understand why people feel that way. Butters is vastly superior tho i have to agree on that
Pip is one of the best characters. He’s constantly taking L’s but he doesn’t let that stop him. He always finds the positive in the most mundane of situations. It’s an infectious attitude
i personally never understand what the point is in hating a character, even being glad of their death cus they're boring, especially if they're a side character, what on earth did this nigga do to yall? when I watched this episode i didnt like it but i didnt think "uuuuuuuuuuuhhggg my life is wasted" like its really just not that deep at all, i just dont get the pip hate because......well what is there to hate? he has like a minute of screen time tops every time so its inoffensive, i just really dont get it
Pip is personally my favorite character. he's just so pure & wholesome. I wish they would bring him back. possibly with some kinda time travel to reference Doctor Who. Butters could have another friend or maybe an agent of Chaos. then again maybe Pip is too sweet for Chaos. but having Pip back now could be interesting. everyone has grown & changed so much & Eric would probably be the only one still actively bullying Pip.
Pip was an awesome episode. I especially like how it faithfully followed the plot of Great Expectations, robot monkeys and all. There are many episodes that are actually bad - Jakovosaurs snd anything with Towelie come to mind. 'Pip' is NOT one of those.
As a Canadian, I love Pip. It feels like an American thing to hate British things. I feel like alot of people wasted their time watching this video on Pip.
IMO: I think pip had potential to be a rival to butters if given the chance but since he was killed off, its most likely never happening, such wasted potential, don't get me wrong i don't like pip but they could've made him a potential rival to butters since they both are naturally born victims in the series, something i'd like to see happen but will never come true tho
I honestly really liked this episode not only because it helped show more into a deep and convoluted character. However it was not fully fleshed into a strong story.
Oof, this was a painful video to watch for a lot of reasons. Respect you dude, by my honest opinions: 1, Hate Pip all you like, I really find it disingenuous to compare Pip to Butters. Matt and Trey's intent for both characters was *wildly* different from the get-go. "Even though they essentially fill the same role" as a statement not only disregards what Pip was was created to do, but also *Butters* and his development. It also doesn't make any sense to consider TGNIAHT as the "passing of the torch" because Pip was still a character long after that episode, and Butters didn't replace him in any way, shape or form. "Character that the main 4 push around/don't like/throw under the bus" is not a singular archetype that belongs to any one character. If you're going for that angle, up until very recently, Scott had the same amount of relevance and character development as Pip-- and last time I checked, everyone seems to like him well enough. You could boil him down to "kid they don't like who has diabetes and they make diabetes jokes at him haha funny" and that was IT. 2, South Park characters, as a whole, have a very fluctuating set of character traits because M+T are making a comedy show above all else. They will shoehorn just about anyone into a role and make them do something previously considered OOC just for the sake of a joke. Pip being the butt of the joke in that manner (in relation to your statement that despite the jokes being funny you still feel him being empty) is EXACTLY the point of what early sp was, and still in some way is to this day. We've now got 25+ years of solidity for some of these boys' characters, and they still pull things out that surprise us in terms of what we think a character will or will not do. Pip being Pip, as he was, was exactly spot on for season 1-5 humor and characterizations. We're comparing apples to oranges with Butters since he's had YEARS more development time. Even on that note, Butters now is a completely different character than he was then. 3, I am part of SPHS, who made the iceberg from your previous video, so I do know somewhat what I'm talking about when discussing fandom trends and history-- we literally research this stuff, and I have been in this fanbase for years. Your response to the tumblr post was really weird and twisted completely what the person who posted was saying-- I read that post properly in it's entirety (which you don't frame, you cherry picked a small section), and I agreed with it. Pointing out a trend within the community as to who and where certain ideas are coming from is not making you out to be the bad guy. Like you said, you own that you have somewhat of an influence because of your YT channel, but there's also a lot of younger/newer fans looking at old episodes through season 23 rose colored glasses, who may just be using this as a justification. TLDR, respect your opinion, but bad video in terms of your reasons to support it. Could have just stated you don't think Pip is funny and you'd have gotten across the same as whatever you just did here.
Pip and Butters are definitely different enough characters, but I still feel like it’s necessary to compare them since the reason why Trey and Matt stopped using Pip as much was because they thought Butters was a better character (said in the creator commentary of 2 guys naked in a hot tub) .
@@TheDuckyDino Yes, they did say that they ultimately enjoyed Butters as a character better (again, it's easier to work with something you came up with from scratch than a set of archetypes from your parody character), but Butters was never supposed to be a replacement. The semantics are what were really bothering me about it. Butters and Pip existed alongside each other, and even appeared in the same episodes together with very different roles, up until they got bored of using Pip the same way they've gotten bored of using other characters before. Besides, Butters having a namesake of someone really important to them and who is still highly relevant to the making of SP made it less likely they were going to trash him in the long run. I'd also like to point out that Butters was never fully "the one everyone picked on", because there are several episodes where Butters is in fact just as much of a bully as everyone else, thus coming full circle with what M+T truly wanted SP to be-- a display of how young children are, behind their parents backs, the biggest a$$holes. The only one who never ended up falling into this was Pip, which makes him unique. It's also relevant to note that Pip is canonly an orphan, and the show relies heavily on the boy's relationships with their families (specifically their parents). With Pip having really nobody to involve when the boys are being mean to him, or really no parents to be utilized in the episodes when its kids vs adults in some form, it stunts his ability to be used in a lot of content-- another reason he became defunct as the show shifted more and more towards the adult characters. It wasn't until Butters' parents became more reoccurring and properly named in Butters Very Own Episode that Butters too got more of a role in the show.
@@prosti-noot Dude you're 100% right. The whole Pip vs. Butters thing is one of the stupidest narratives about the show. They're two completely different characters who fill completely different roles. The only thing they have in common is they're both supposed to unpopular, but Butters was already from the outset way more accepted than Pip ever was by the kids. If anybody "replaced" Pip, it's Scott Malkinson, whose existence alone proves that Butters didn't fill Pip's role. Butters was literally so integrated into the group that they needed another unpopular kid to fill the void Pip left.
Funny enough, episode in ninth grade when we were told to read Great Expectations. Not only did I pass the test, I was praised for having the highest score in the class (I never read the book) 🤣 🤣
Said it before and I'll say it again: "Pip" is a much better troll episode than "Not Without My Anus". I think the biggest problem with "Pip" is that it relies quite heavily on you actually knowing the story of Great Expectations. Playing it so straight for the first half with just the odd little joke here and there just makes the end so satisfying... but if you're not familiar with it, maybe that doesn't work so well.
I stan this opinion, for me "Not Without My Anus" is the worst episode, I cant watch it again cuz its too boring and has the type of comedy that I started to hate the most: scatological humor Also Terrance and Phillip are so uninteresting, I prefer to watch any other character than them and their fucking fart jokes lool
Also I feel the gag with pip was to be his whole personality being British. This is a trope a lot American shows and parodies feat ONE British person tend to do. HOWEVER making him a punching bag that has no reason to take it and never get his lick back can distract from that. Should’ve just had him be a British stereotype
@@SotiCoto to each they own I’m thinking in the mind frame of what comedy was at that time. Not saying it would’ve made him an amazing character or anything. But being 37 and alive and an older kid in this era I’m thinking in aspects of tropes I seen in comedy for that time
that intro was absolute 🔥 I will copy that for one of my own videos some day. the fact that no one wanted to listen to be in the class and you animated the choice. Its so clever, because you are actually choosing to stay by watching the video.
Me too. I read an abridged version of Grate Expectations in high school and enjoyed it enough to get a kick out of the parody episode. About 15 years later, I watched the movie The World's End knowing nothing about it, and my reaction was similar to my reaction to this South Park episode. "Oh! They're going that way with it? Ha! That's clever." Great movie.
I think Pip's character could be used as just a character that resembles resilience, I think if Pip was more fleshed out he could actually be a somewhat good character.
because he’s british. that’s literally why. i have asked so many people why they hate pip, and the only reason why is because he’s british. but, i would much rather be a brit than an american. everyone hates brits but loves to get caught up in royal family drama like they are a brit. americans stole football and made it trashy by putting an american twist on it, they fucked up fish and chips, they fucked up our point of view on the royal family, and overall, they fucking suck. i would much rather be under a monarchy right now than under a president. bc god forbid if we have one more shitty ass president, my entire college financial aid money is going to a plane ticket to fucking manchester. that’s the only reason why they hate pip is bc he’s a british boy. that’s literally the ONLY reason. yet, pip manages to piss cartman off by not taking his brunt jokes so seriously, he is so nice to damian that he gets fucking launched, and he gets so worked up over being called french that he took out the fucking chinese dodgeball players. everyone thinks it’s okay to make fun of brit’s until they do it to us and then they crossed a line. yeah, and if it weren’t for washington, we would still be under rule of the monarchy and i’d be rolling if we go back under the king’s rule. i would love that more than anything.
Well... I've just learnt the Pip episode was based on a novel (I'm from a spanish-speaking country, so we read different stuff in school), maybe that's the reason I actually found this episode amusing.
This was an episode I had no idea existed until I saw an internet listing of all the episodes. Along with "Jared Has Aides," it was one of those episodes that Comedy Central just didn't air that often. When I finally saw it around 2006 or so, I just shrugged and said "OK." Pip is a one-joke character, which is why I'm not too sad they killed him off, but in the grand scheme of things, the episodes he had any significant roles in make such a small percentage of the show's run that I can't get too mad at him. All I can do is shrug and say "OK." There's an even funnier bit of Pip/Butters torch passing that happens even earlier. It's in "Weight Gain 4000" when the play goes horribly wrong, and you can see Butters beating up Pip in the background.
Not gonna lie one of my favorite moment in South Park was literally that clipped you played of pip saying “you shouldn’t be mean to foreigners and besides I hate French people!” Idk why I find it so funny, obviously not the best scene in the show but I like it a lot.
Its a funny conundrum, pip and butters really are so similar except the accent. Why the hate for one and not the other? They’re both this optimistic punching bag that rarely if ever gets upset about always being the butt of the joke. Butters did get “Prof Chaos” but its not like he’s a menace, he’s just a foil for the boys super hero team thus he’s just playing along.
As one of the 5 people who ACTUALLY kinda likes Pip, I do admit his character is pretty boring. The whole "happy go lucky character that's always constantly taking L's" trope really isn't that special when it's his entire character, and we already have Butters who does that way better than Pip. He could really benefit from having something of a personality. If I were to write Pip, i'd make him a actuate depiction of a British person: rude, greedy, manipulative, thieving, vulgar, basically everything Butters isn't.
It's a shame they never did much with his character and just killed him off. Being British they could have made him more of a stereotype, maybe even act like a secret agent hellbent with overthrowing the US president and making the Queen (or King nowadays) the head of state.
@@serziex he’s so sweet, he does no wrong, he’s even more well behaved and kind than butters. He also has gone through a lot of trauma but still does his best to see the good in everyone and be kind
This is a great video and it really builds up a good case as to why you think Pip is the worst character and episode. Especially when you compare him to Butters who is a similar but funnier character. I dont think Pip - especially this episode is all that bad, though. I think it is because I am a fan of the "Great Expectations" story. I have never read any of Charles Dickens' books. The language used is dated and boring/difficult for the modern reader. However I have seen a number of fim adaptations and I really like the story. I first saw the Pip episode many years ago and I thought it was funny to see South Park's parody of the story. I am also a fan of Malcolm McDowell so I got a kick out of seeing him in the episode. I think if I had been forced to study Great Expectations at school, this episode would have pissed me off, but because I have had a positive exposure to the story by watching film adaptations, I already was predisposed to liking this episode.
I don't think the makers of the show had been forced to study Great Expectations, because if so, then why would they want to spend even more time parodying it? I think it is more likely that they just saw that Pip was the name of the character in the book (plus that character gets abused sometimes like the Pip in the show) so they decided to have their character who is named Pip in a parody.
Goddamn it! I’m not French! *knocks out 7 kids with a single dodgeball throw Actually now I want to see Pip in the next game with that power. That would be amazing.
Party pooper! Pip is a funny episode what with all the British accents/jokes, colorful insults and inserting the Genesis Device into Great Expectations. It's objectively better than some entire adult animated shows and the entire filmography of Illumination (tho that can be said of any piece of media)
TLDR at the end The thing with a lot of of period writings like Dickens’s, or to a lesser extent James Joyce’s, writings that makes it hard to appreciate or contextualize is that most of the time modern readers really don’t get to consume it in its original form. Think of it like how Shakespeare was a playwright, a lot of his stories just lack something in the written form. However, in a play or even a verbal telling, the stories are much more engaging. the same is true for dickens. Great Expectations was never really intended to be read in a single block sitting or even in large chunks, because it was a serialization in the same pattern as a web novel or a magazine novella today. The story was told over several years iirc and due to both cultural drift and similarity, a lot of the topics and themes enter into a sort of uncanny valley where modern readers may recognize things from history in modern society, but ultimately don’t really relate to them in the same way as contemporary readers would have. This sort of dissonance tends to make the story a lot less relatable, doubly so if you’ve never really gotten around to studying the cultural context of the era to drive home the differences between then and today. A lot of authors and stories were either boring or frustrating to read for me due to how they were introduced in school, to the point of not really understanding why they were important. The stories that ultimately broke the camels back for me was Paradise Lost written by John Milton and the Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri. The former due an utter lack of context to what it was in relation in to the English language, as well as period Christian theological philosophy. This made what was otherwise in hindsight a rather emotionally charged rumination of free will in the face of oblivion, Filial piety in the face of ego, and the epistemology of one’s own existence, to really really fall flat. The latter being made so much better by gaining an understanding of period Italian politics and general literary practices, turning the story from being a stodgy, fire and brimstone - woe be unto you, oh sinner, into recognizing it for the glorious fan fiction shit post that it really is. Coming to understand period fiction really made me appreciate the outright lunacy and creativity it took to not only write the story, but publish it, so, so much better. TLDR: you’re not stupid for finding it boring. the story is written with a lot of presumed knowledge about the contemporary cultural context and written in a format that can’t really be replicated today without prior knowledge and planning, making appreciating it difficult on a good day. Especially given the borderline incompetency of most western schools and universities approach to literature in general.
Unpopular opinion but I love Pip a lot actually. Butters is obviously a million times better and his episode is WAYYY better then Pips but I really don’t get the hate. I understand why they had to kill him off tho since him and Butters are very similar and at the time they were barely using Pip. Pips episode is very bad and has not chance again Butters Very Own Episode, but you can’t deny that he was the blue print for Butters personality in the older seasons. Butters just has more personality but if they took the time to flesh out Pip and make him different from Butters he couldve been a great character. RIP peace 🙏🏽
It's so ridiculously funny to think a kid getting bullied relentlessly for having no backbone is ALSO hated by fans for being bullied relentlessly for having no backbone..my man can never win.
it's a cartoon and he's just boring
He’s not a bad character but how can you hate on a character that appears for 3 minutes in the whole show
Btw ratio on every reply and you liked ur own reply’s lol 💀
@@Icespicegrahh It's not like a drawing has feelings. It's okay to not like a picture
@@conroads2626 I didn’t mention anything about that but how can you hate on a drawing that appears for 3 seconds
@@Icespicegrahh Are you mad because I don't care for your favorite drawing that only appears for 3 seconds? You gonna cry?
Fun fact: Pip was originally meant to die at the end of Damien when the demons attack him, but he got a reprieve because halfway through season 1 was too early to be killing off one of the few recurring characters the show had at that point.
Pip and Ms choksondik are by far the worst 2 characters in south park. They dont being anything to the formula.
they shouldve killed pip
@@kyledabearsfan bro isn’t aware about ms cratbree
@@Randomdude112 man she was bad too lol
pips one of the wordt
Supposedly Matt and Trey HATED having to read Great Expectations in school and created Pip and did a South Park retelling of the novel for an episode because they wanted to rip it a new one.
That just forced them to have to read about the story again in order to remember enough of it to parody a Southpark episode after it. I call that a loss on their part.
@@greywolf7577I’ll call it a win because they were able to make a funny cartoon from an annoying vapid experience they both went through
hated that book
@@greywolf7577 What would you have them do? Make fun of it from the vague memories they had from high school and create an inaccurate product? Or actually do their homework so when they make fun of it, they know what the hell they're talking about.
The best parodies usually start with love and care for the source material, or people who actually studied how it works because otherwise the parody comes off as shallow or meanspirited.
I'm just glad that they remembered The Genesis Device, and the robot monkeys. Those were definitely my favorite parts.
I think it boils down to the fact that pip goes over that threshold where instead of finding his torture funny you just feel sad. Butters has enough character where you feel bad for him but also find it funny to see him struggle. Pip feels like an actual abused child whos parents told them to shut up all the time and now he just accepts any kind of abuse that comes his way.
holy crap this actually makes sense
Yes but I hate how everyone hates him just because its sad instead of funny
@@ARloismad bc the show presents it as something funny when it's not lol
Exactly. The one thing that made Pip hated; he was extremely one note. We knew nothing about him aside from him being based on the Dickens novel, that he was british and deserved to be bullied. And that was it.
The most memorable thing related to Pip (in my head) is that he was crushed by the rebuilt Mecha Streisand...In his final scene ever, on an episode that I still haven't seen on its entirety for obvious reasons... And that's saying something lol.
I think Pip’s problem revolves around advice they used to (and maybe still do) give kids about bullies. The advice was “ignore them, and if you don’t give them what they want, which is sometimes just a reaction, they will stop because it’s no longer interesting to them.”
Butters getting picked on lands because he always gets dejected or angry (to the point of becoming Professor Chaos). Pip’s lack of reaction doesn’t give the audience what we want, so him being bullied provides no gratification (as messed up as it might sound that we are getting gratification from watching bullying). His reaction to the French insult was funny because now he finally cares and reacts by hating the idea of being French.
I think it depends on the situation. There was bully in school where I went who looked physically able to beat kids up, but he only ever verbally abused them. He would criticize their looks or clothes. The bullied kids would try to make excuses or apologies. But the bully enjoyed the fact that they felt bad about what he said. However when he tried it on me, I just responded "What does it matter?" He could tell that I wasn't going to debase or think badly of myself so he never targeted me again.
Maybe this wouldn't work on all bullies, but it certainly works on ones like I dealt with.
@@greywolf7577 exactly. Of course, in reality there are those kids who only want to beat up someone smaller than them, in which case “don’t give them what they want” doesn’t work in the same manner (except maybe it does, because if that smaller kid is able to fight back and even win, the bully definitely didn’t get what he wanted lol)
@@ddelarosa96 Problem with most bullys is even you show your back bone and stand up against them... nope they dont go away they just come back with bigger numbers.
I mean technically it worked, he ignored it, it was boring, and they just killed him which for south park I take it as Mercy
@@Acacius1992 That's why the only response is overwhelming force.
PIP in "conjoined fetus lady"(dodgeball episode) is amazing. It's the one episode he doesn't take shit from any of the boys. Probably my favorite episode of the first 2 seasons
Exactly pip showed he could kick ass if he wanted to
Love Pip in that episode. He's actually interesting.
Same
Fax.
They literally did nothing with that afterwards
A great episode that displays everything you love about Butters is AWESOMEO. It perfectly puts at the forefront his naivety and his backbone. For most of the episode he misses the obvious clues that Cartman is pretending to be AWESOMEO, but also his backbone when he reveals his potential blackmail on Cartman and intent to use it if Cartman does shit
Not to mention he actually follows through with his plan after finding out that Cartman was awesomeo
butters is the embodiment of the "beware the nice ones" trope and i love him for it
"the internet wants to see you suffer"
Truly the embodiment of "we do a little bit of funny trolling", I respect your determination
@dylan11110 same lol
@dylan11110 same except it is just actually this guy every time
Sus
@dylan11110its heisenburg or waltuh white
@dylan11110 Just a guy trying to be another Justin Y or OwO
I actually kind of like Pip, he just wants to fit in and make friends. And when others are mean, he just takes it in stride. Maybe you can't see the tortured kindness of a struggling kid. But I can relate
As a British person I also think it’s funny to bring up the fact that I’ve never heard of anyone having to read great expectations in school, usually it’s of mice and men
A Tale of Two Cities is far more common than Great Expectations, but we read both at my school (Two Cities was for "advanced" classes).
To be fair, I went to American public school in the middle of nowhere, so my high school may not be a great representation. It honestly got worse. We read The Hunger Games the next year, and then Black like Me (look it up; a very ignorant book on a conceptual level). We did read Night, but that teacher had to argue with the schoolboard to be allowed to teach it.
I had to read Great Expectations for my GCSE English Literature and hated every second of it lmao
We did
I picked it for a summer reading project because it was written by Charles Dickens. That was the day I found out Charles Dickens was overrated as hell
@@elitegenoside Hunger games was given as mandatory reading for me in high school as well, and I will never understand why, although I was never made to read Dickens.
“There’s never been any cool French people”
Bold of you to call us people
the daft punk shoutout was so out of nowhere but REPRESENTTT 🔺
Ey what about Spy from Tf2 😭
@@TheGameBoyss PEE IS STORED IN THE BALLS
Yes on est des gogol qui brûle nos propre citée mdr
Indeed, French should be called "thing"
Hot Take: Pip is bad for South Park standards, but for adult animation it isn't that bad.
Honestly kind of agree with this, it’s just boring, a lot of other shows have so many episodes that are actively horrible
@@Bloomser my cousin said about how Paradise PD was her favorite show. I am scared of her
@@Bloomser I'd like you to do a follow up video on this episode titled: "Improving upon Pip". Maybe get creative and make something up for what Pip should have been. I believe he had a lot of potential (Pirmarily as a representation for the British).
@@DerpDerp3001basically butters
Also, he's indeed not fitting for South Park. XIX century brittish mannerisms just don't mix with South Park's crude style. I wouldn't say he's the worst character, because the driver old lady is even worse, but is definitely a low tier.
My best friend from High School and I, both of whom were forced to read Great Expectations at school within a year or two of the original airing of the Pip episode, thought the episode was absolutely hysterical (despite the negative reputation it had since the beginning). Even watching this video, I laughed out loud multiple times just from the clips you showed. RIP K.W., I wish you were still here to laugh about Pip with me. ❤
Yeah that was my impression as well. I ever understood why people hate this episode so much. It’s a great episode if you understand the source material
It's actually one of my favourite episodes, I was surprised it has such a negative reputation
Its funny people just suck and are looking for some deep meaning or something that is not there
I never minded the character Pip. I saw him in the ep Damien as an example of what would happen if schoolchildren actually took the then-standard advice about bullying. Pip is a satirical character: "What do you want? A student who cheerfully takes abuse from everyone? Here's what that would look like: Any kid who did what YOU told them would end up as a complete victim with no other personality." I wonder if you just don't know, but what Mr. Mackey says about bullying is REALLY close to what 80s and 90s kids ACTUALLY GOT: Not just "be submissive," but "if you are more submissive, the bullying will stop and people will like you." THAT WAS REAL!!
Yea true Pip acts just like adults tell you to act to stop bullying but it never ever works.
Can confirm, I was basically given that exact advice by my mother due to being bullied in school. I told her EVERY time that it was complete nonsense and didn't work, but she never listened. That said, my own way of handling the situation (i.e. by responding to the bullying with sarcasm and verbal mockery) just exacerbated everything... and things probably would have gone slightly less badly if I'd just remained quiet, admittedly.
@@SotiCotoAh, but CAN a child of four, of eight just be quiet when someone is getting in their face? If it's okay to demand that level of self control from the victim, why not demand it of the bully too? Unless of course, it is a trick to convince the victim that the abuse is their own fault. A submissive victim, a Pip, absorbs all the other students' poison, and the school can pretend that they don't have a bullying problem.
@@CyberLance26 Pip acts like what parents describe as a perfect child. Just takes their advice and does what our parents said we should do. Also no crying, having fun or making trouble.
Zero tolerance was and still is a joke
The reason the great expectations episode is so funny is because it’s actually like a cliff notes accurate retelling of the novel (with obvious South Park jokes just peppered in), but then they completely DESTROY the ending without warning, as though the original novel also went completely bonkers at the end without warning.
The original novel was bonkers from beginning to end, maybe that’s why it worked better as a cartoon. The new ending made better use of the character Miss Havisham though.
When I told my fiance that Pip and this episode are hated by a large part of the fanbase, he looked at me like I had five heads. He unironically loves this episode, we just watched it maybe a week or two ago. Idek if he's ever read Great Expectations tbh, he just unironically likes the episode and chuckles throughout every time we watch it 😂
I'm pretty neutral to it over all, it doesn't hit any major emotional chords for me positively or negatively; but honestly I do miss Pip as a character in the show.
Sometimes a little slapstick is nice, and I don't always want it to be Butters who has these crazy physical injuries like when the boys got a ninja star stuck in his eye.. Butters kinda goes through enough imo, so it'd be nice to bring Pip back even if he is just there to be bullied.
To me even tho Pip on his own would be an incredibly dull character, it's the fact that he's a relatively normal kid in this bombastic crazy town where anything can happen, it's funny to see other characters' reactions to just his general existence. Like Chef telling him "Yes Pip, I'm afraid it does" when he asks if it always has to be him without a helmet. 😂 That always cracks me up. To me Pip is best used in Ensemble episodes like when they beat China in dodgeball, yet Pip still gets 0 respect after that. Or when he's with Stan and the Melvins. He'd be incredibly boring in a scene on his own or with only other characters like him, but stick him in a group of people with varying personalities and he shines a lot more.
RIP Pip, you have at least one fan out here 😂
I think they should've made him into steve-o. If you look at his history Steve-o was a wealthy british kid who transferred to living in the U S at a young age. It would be hilarious, especially given how stable he is somehow today.
Add one more because an fnf mod creator likes pip
I like to think Trey and Matt made Pip as the "He's British, so he's not funny and he sucks" type character. Even in his episode all the characters look gross and deformed just to be like "Hey, British people look like shit don't they?" Then they tried to give him a moment by giving him an episode where he gets mad and is cracked at dodgeball. I feel like they tried to make him stick, but when people just didn't like him they're just like, "Well, guess we gotta kill him."
I don't think they would've conceived of him as "British therefore not funny" because it was over Monty Python's Flying Circus reruns Wednesdays at 10 that Trey and Matt bonded in college. They think British people are funny, almost inherently so because of the voices. More likely they needed an upbeat victim character and there exists a certain type of hard-lucked irrepressible British youth that fits the bill, _cough Pip from Great Expectations cough_ so they threw him in.
@@TheCapedWanderer ^ well put.
@@OwlyOwlman Thanks. My best friend and I in college bonded over South Park Wednesdays at 10 so when I found out that’s how Trey & Matt met I was like FATE HAS BROUGHT US HERE and decided to start watching Flying Circus, which is hilarious and you can totally see the influence on SP. British people can be extremely funny-Blackadder, Fry & Laurie, Jeeves & Wooster. And again, the accents are just inherently comical, to my ears and, judging from the voices Trey & Matt do, to theirs as well.
I don’t get pip hate i like him and his episode 😭
waiting for a roadman to appear in south park 🤣
I honestly wanna see Pip come back someday. He could’ve been so much more and I feel bad about how everything ended, he at least deserves a chance
its too late, he's dead
The day they bring back Pip will be the day I stop watching South Park.
He canonically died in the 200th episode specials
@@MrBeenusoh no mrbeenus is gonna stop watching sp!! what will matt and trey do😢😢
@@mcaunn What purpose does bringing Pip back serve?
Don’t you realize that when you bully someone you don’t view them as a person you don’t see their opinions you just see the surface level. That’s why pip just seems like an object.
I want Pip to return one last time and this time let him have a redemption arc
not gonna happen. He was killed off in the 200th episode
i would kill myself if that happened
I never understood the hate pip got when I first got into South Park as a kid he was immediately one of my favorite characters and I loved his stand alone episode it inspired me to read great expectations and it was one of my favorite books in middle school
Are you british
Same I’ve always liked his character I was actually shocked to find out so many people hated him like all my friends really like him 😭
Bro watched adult animation as a kid. What a G.
Then you probably have the personality of an unsalted saltine, pip sucks
@@thekarlshow_tmhow to repost a TH-cam comment
You achieved the impossible
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PIP EPISODE GREAT BLOOMS 👍
@@brandonscott5544 bro what is wrong about you
Very possible
Pip is a god amongst men, some people just can't stand the Giga Pip energy. We call them betas
ok
@@Bee-1 see, pip hype always brings out Top G Pip Tate's haters
Hell, the only reason Pip didn't take out those robot monkeys and Ms Havasham that first time was because he was only using 0.1% of his power that night.
Nah pip is British, being British is the worst hate crime in the history of man
@@PetahGriffin1234 Nah. Pip is Based and so are British and French people.
What I’m hearing is you don’t like one of my favorite books and therefore can’t ever appreciate the genius of Pip.
Kiss me.
@@Cuchiedestroyer Yo, calm down Edward!
The worst character on South Park is easily Towelie. He is just a plain stupid character. Whereas you can argue that Pip doesn't add anything to the scenes that he is in, he doesn't take anything away either. Towelie makes every scene that he is in worse.
The worst episode of the series is "Terrance and Phillip in Not Without My Anus". This episode would be excruciatingly annoying all by itself, but it is even worse as it was positioned directly in the between the two parts of a cliffhanger episode. It was seemingly made by the creators of South Park as a "joke" to prank the viewers. It is nothing more than the series creators completely forgetting their audience to amuse themselves.
It should be noted that the only episode that is ranked lower on IMDB than "Terrance and Phillip in Not Without My Anus" is the Towelie based episode "A Million Little Fibers"
Love when Pip said "it's Pippin' time" and started pipping... wait, you've seen that kind of joke before? Huh... reminds me of every Pip joke ever.
Truly the most joke of all time
@@Fabriciod_Crv that unfunny ass joke was worse than the episode
@@RadishShifu 💀
@@Fabriciod_CrvDon’t forget to say ‘bro’ before putting that emoji
@@rmn070why?
finally, an episode dedicated to my favorite southpark character.
Real
I bet ringo is your favorite beatle too?
Your favorite food is moist bread
@@DrSpaceman42 Well as a pip fan that is true...
@@DrSpaceman42i got hard when he suffered
I feel like the hate for the episode is overblown. It was a nice change of pace. A bit of variety, a bit of culture. Making fun of another country for a change. Taking a look at the origins of a background character in a different way. This is the best of the worst episodes to me.
agreed
The concept isn't the problem, which is all you complimented. The implementation of the concept was TERRIBLE.
@@kflow1379 Feels like that was kinda the idea. Pip and his family are supposed to be ironic bad and annoying, kinda like Towelie later on in the series.
The episode was painfu to watch
I actually liked the episode, but to be fair, I liked the "great expectations" movie too. The old lady being a hammy super villain that plays with the emotions of children and teenagers is kind of great in how petty she is.
Them cutting out Pip in the pilot was kind of an accident. The unaired pilot was 28 minutes long but because of commercials they had to cut 4 or 5 minutes, so they chose the minutes that had the most filler. (It did explain why Cartman's farts were on fire but I doubt anybody cared about that. I think we all kind of assumed that the fire was due to the alien probe or something.)
I left. Sorry.
I honestly wasnt expecting the shout out, thanks Blooms! 😊
Look it’s her
1) The worst South Park episode is Jakovasaurs. 2) The Pip episode is hilariously funny IF....you recently read Great Expectations and understood it without hating it. . . also subtitles help to catch all the scathing insults. But I agree they 86'd Pip because Butters does the job sooo much better.
ngl, it's even better if you read Great Expectations and did hate it.
Are you really saying that Blooms read the book wrong?
point 1 is a huge fact, i hate that and the goo back episode
@@christophernoble76 dirk'er derrr!
I actually like Jakovasaurs…
It was fine, just fine
Several years later, he wrote an autobiography called “WAAGH” and won the privacy awards.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Waluigi
I'm an English major. I love reading Dickens.
I will also happily admit that his books are EXTREMELY tedious.
Wait people hate Pip? I thought they just hated the episode named after him
The one thing that confused me more than anything about Pip is that if he sucks so much, how/why did he get as far as he did in the new friend contest?
Easy, the boys wanted someone to bully and do his chores
It was probably because they could rip on him a lot like they do with Kenny and butters 😭
To be fair, pip wasn’t as bad in his first appearances. But man the episode dedicated to him just was not good.
It's still a better episode than any tegridy farms episode tbh
he worked as a background character, there wasn't much to flesh out about him so giving him an entire episode was a bad idea, there is a right way to make an episode dedicated to side characters like fraggle rock's "the trial of cotterpin doozer" but this one fell flat (I highly recommend watching the fraggle rock episode I mentioned)
@@przenoikavurma6353 and even those episodes are still ok cause south park doesn't have awful episodes
No, the lesson is "Don't bring up the possibility of doing something you don't want to do, because you will have to do it if you bring it up."
as an Irish man I do not hate pip for being bland and having no depth but being british
I wish they would have made butters and pip friends tho
They kind of were in Butters' first major appearance :>
I like Pip(character) but i find it pretty funny how the community acts the same as the characters on the show when it comes to him. While i don´t agree with the hate both the character and the episode get, this video helped me understand why people feel that way. Butters is vastly superior tho i have to agree on that
Pip is one of the best characters. He’s constantly taking L’s but he doesn’t let that stop him. He always finds the positive in the most mundane of situations. It’s an infectious attitude
Fr, I love him. I respect Bloom's opinion however I can't bring myself to agreeing
FR I LOVE HIMM
@@sailorjupmm
@@sailorjup hes 8?
Pip is a chump tho
I loved the option at the beginning to just skip to the end
“the good ending”
HES BRITISH NOT FRENCH 0:11
Don't let him near a dodgeball 😂
7:25 here watch this
@@Sumrandomguy-xe5yk What is he doing in England?
Hot take: Pip was a decent episode. I found it fairly funny.
Too hot, I stomped it out.
I agree. It's definitely not an all timer, but I feel the critique was a bit harsh.
You are not our kind
Yeah, a lot of people don’t like it but I love it!
Same I was so confused when I found out so many people hated pip and his episode because I always really liked it lol
i personally never understand what the point is in hating a character, even being glad of their death cus they're boring, especially if they're a side character, what on earth did this nigga do to yall? when I watched this episode i didnt like it but i didnt think "uuuuuuuuuuuhhggg my life is wasted" like its really just not that deep at all, i just dont get the pip hate because......well what is there to hate? he has like a minute of screen time tops every time so its inoffensive, i just really dont get it
He wasted my time and that is always unacceptable
Pip is personally my favorite character. he's just so pure & wholesome. I wish they would bring him back. possibly with some kinda time travel to reference Doctor Who. Butters could have another friend or maybe an agent of Chaos. then again maybe Pip is too sweet for Chaos. but having Pip back now could be interesting. everyone has grown & changed so much & Eric would probably be the only one still actively bullying Pip.
I would like pip to come back and see him deppressed
@@Super-St4rk I want him to get revenge ngl
@@glitchs1696 Same too but I would like him to get revenge and be deppressed
I'd love if they brought him back whilst referencing Doctor Who.
@@Super-St4rk agreed
Pip was an awesome episode. I especially like how it faithfully followed the plot of Great Expectations, robot monkeys and all. There are many episodes that are actually bad - Jakovosaurs snd anything with Towelie come to mind. 'Pip' is NOT one of those.
Oh man as an englishman i loved the pip jokes. His entire character is extremely english and i love it
As a Canadian, I love Pip. It feels like an American thing to hate British things. I feel like alot of people wasted their time watching this video on Pip.
IMO: I think pip had potential to be a rival to butters if given the chance but since he was killed off, its most likely never happening, such wasted potential, don't get me wrong i don't like pip but they could've made him a potential rival to butters since they both are naturally born victims in the series, something i'd like to see happen but will never come true tho
I honestly really liked this episode not only because it helped show more into a deep and convoluted character. However it was not fully fleshed into a strong story.
Y’know, I still think he didn’t deserve to die the way he did. rip pip.
But great video man!
Achievement unlocked: You Survived Talking About Pip
Hearing Pip say "lunchy munchies" always makes me cringe
Why? I think it's cute.
Hey, there’s a third cool French guy: TF2 Spy.
I completely forgot why we don’t see PIP anymore, until that end scene.
I think Ms. Chokesondick was WAAAAY worse.
thats not how u spell it newbie
@@lxchy2k🤓
thats not how u spell it newbie
@@MrBeenus🤓
thats not how u spell it newbie
Oof, this was a painful video to watch for a lot of reasons. Respect you dude, by my honest opinions:
1, Hate Pip all you like, I really find it disingenuous to compare Pip to Butters. Matt and Trey's intent for both characters was *wildly* different from the get-go. "Even though they essentially fill the same role" as a statement not only disregards what Pip was was created to do, but also *Butters* and his development. It also doesn't make any sense to consider TGNIAHT as the "passing of the torch" because Pip was still a character long after that episode, and Butters didn't replace him in any way, shape or form. "Character that the main 4 push around/don't like/throw under the bus" is not a singular archetype that belongs to any one character. If you're going for that angle, up until very recently, Scott had the same amount of relevance and character development as Pip-- and last time I checked, everyone seems to like him well enough. You could boil him down to "kid they don't like who has diabetes and they make diabetes jokes at him haha funny" and that was IT.
2, South Park characters, as a whole, have a very fluctuating set of character traits because M+T are making a comedy show above all else. They will shoehorn just about anyone into a role and make them do something previously considered OOC just for the sake of a joke. Pip being the butt of the joke in that manner (in relation to your statement that despite the jokes being funny you still feel him being empty) is EXACTLY the point of what early sp was, and still in some way is to this day. We've now got 25+ years of solidity for some of these boys' characters, and they still pull things out that surprise us in terms of what we think a character will or will not do. Pip being Pip, as he was, was exactly spot on for season 1-5 humor and characterizations. We're comparing apples to oranges with Butters since he's had YEARS more development time. Even on that note, Butters now is a completely different character than he was then.
3, I am part of SPHS, who made the iceberg from your previous video, so I do know somewhat what I'm talking about when discussing fandom trends and history-- we literally research this stuff, and I have been in this fanbase for years. Your response to the tumblr post was really weird and twisted completely what the person who posted was saying-- I read that post properly in it's entirety (which you don't frame, you cherry picked a small section), and I agreed with it. Pointing out a trend within the community as to who and where certain ideas are coming from is not making you out to be the bad guy. Like you said, you own that you have somewhat of an influence because of your YT channel, but there's also a lot of younger/newer fans looking at old episodes through season 23 rose colored glasses, who may just be using this as a justification.
TLDR, respect your opinion, but bad video in terms of your reasons to support it. Could have just stated you don't think Pip is funny and you'd have gotten across the same as whatever you just did here.
Pip and Butters are definitely different enough characters, but I still feel like it’s necessary to compare them since the reason why Trey and Matt stopped using Pip as much was because they thought Butters was a better character (said in the creator commentary of 2 guys naked in a hot tub) .
@@TheDuckyDino Yes, they did say that they ultimately enjoyed Butters as a character better (again, it's easier to work with something you came up with from scratch than a set of archetypes from your parody character), but Butters was never supposed to be a replacement. The semantics are what were really bothering me about it. Butters and Pip existed alongside each other, and even appeared in the same episodes together with very different roles, up until they got bored of using Pip the same way they've gotten bored of using other characters before. Besides, Butters having a namesake of someone really important to them and who is still highly relevant to the making of SP made it less likely they were going to trash him in the long run.
I'd also like to point out that Butters was never fully "the one everyone picked on", because there are several episodes where Butters is in fact just as much of a bully as everyone else, thus coming full circle with what M+T truly wanted SP to be-- a display of how young children are, behind their parents backs, the biggest a$$holes. The only one who never ended up falling into this was Pip, which makes him unique.
It's also relevant to note that Pip is canonly an orphan, and the show relies heavily on the boy's relationships with their families (specifically their parents). With Pip having really nobody to involve when the boys are being mean to him, or really no parents to be utilized in the episodes when its kids vs adults in some form, it stunts his ability to be used in a lot of content-- another reason he became defunct as the show shifted more and more towards the adult characters. It wasn't until Butters' parents became more reoccurring and properly named in Butters Very Own Episode that Butters too got more of a role in the show.
@@prosti-noot Dude you're 100% right. The whole Pip vs. Butters thing is one of the stupidest narratives about the show. They're two completely different characters who fill completely different roles. The only thing they have in common is they're both supposed to unpopular, but Butters was already from the outset way more accepted than Pip ever was by the kids. If anybody "replaced" Pip, it's Scott Malkinson, whose existence alone proves that Butters didn't fill Pip's role. Butters was literally so integrated into the group that they needed another unpopular kid to fill the void Pip left.
@@smugglersspaceport thank you!!!! Spot on!
Funny enough, episode in ninth grade when we were told to read Great Expectations. Not only did I pass the test, I was praised for having the highest score in the class (I never read the book) 🤣 🤣
bro just desided to bully a British 4th grader for 20 min
Bro has beef with a child who else noticed how immature it is
@@The-flowerpookiesI have
Said it before and I'll say it again: "Pip" is a much better troll episode than "Not Without My Anus".
I think the biggest problem with "Pip" is that it relies quite heavily on you actually knowing the story of Great Expectations. Playing it so straight for the first half with just the odd little joke here and there just makes the end so satisfying... but if you're not familiar with it, maybe that doesn't work so well.
I stan this opinion, for me "Not Without My Anus" is the worst episode, I cant watch it again cuz its too boring and has the type of comedy that I started to hate the most: scatological humor
Also Terrance and Phillip are so uninteresting, I prefer to watch any other character than them and their fucking fart jokes lool
Having read the entirety of Great Expectations Pip is actually hilarious. But the jokes land because I know who Pip is.
theres no way theres an actual essay on pip of all characters, as a longtime south park fan i completely forgot he existed lol
Also I feel the gag with pip was to be his whole personality being British. This is a trope a lot American shows and parodies feat ONE British person tend to do. HOWEVER making him a punching bag that has no reason to take it and never get his lick back can distract from that. Should’ve just had him be a British stereotype
No, that is the one thing that could have made him worse. The only thing, probably.
@@SotiCoto to each they own I’m thinking in the mind frame of what comedy was at that time. Not saying it would’ve made him an amazing character or anything. But being 37 and alive and an older kid in this era I’m thinking in aspects of tropes I seen in comedy for that time
that intro was absolute 🔥 I will copy that for one of my own videos some day. the fact that no one wanted to listen to be in the class and you animated the choice. Its so clever, because you are actually choosing to stay by watching the video.
I unironically like this episode.
Me too. Pretty sure the pip hate is rooted in dick riding
I think if you read great expectations, the episode gets a little more bearable
Me too. I read an abridged version of Grate Expectations in high school and enjoyed it enough to get a kick out of the parody episode. About 15 years later, I watched the movie The World's End knowing nothing about it, and my reaction was similar to my reaction to this South Park episode. "Oh! They're going that way with it? Ha! That's clever." Great movie.
Siempre me preguntare como hubiese sido este programa si el protagonismo que le dieron a butters se la hubieran dado a pip desde el principio
estaríamos en el año 3000 pero ahora
@@yuzmanitoGoogle translate or just puke words?
What a werid thing to think about
"There was never a cool french person"
Napoleon: *angry small man sounds*
Edit: theres nothing we can do
Napoleon the third was somewhat cool
Along with Louis the 14th
I think Pip's character could be used as just a character that resembles resilience, I think if Pip was more fleshed out he could actually be a somewhat good character.
I don't really know why everyone doesn't like Pip. I don't think he did anything wrong?
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Why do everyone got such a hard hate boner for Pip? He's not such a terrible character, I enjoy seeing him bad in the days of South Park.
Ikr he's such a silly and adorable British kid I don't understand the hate between him
Same
because he’s british. that’s literally why. i have asked so many people why they hate pip, and the only reason why is because he’s british. but, i would much rather be a brit than an american. everyone hates brits but loves to get caught up in royal family drama like they are a brit. americans stole football and made it trashy by putting an american twist on it, they fucked up fish and chips, they fucked up our point of view on the royal family, and overall, they fucking suck.
i would much rather be under a monarchy right now than under a president. bc god forbid if we have one more shitty ass president, my entire college financial aid money is going to a plane ticket to fucking manchester.
that’s the only reason why they hate pip is bc he’s a british boy. that’s literally the ONLY reason. yet, pip manages to piss cartman off by not taking his brunt jokes so seriously, he is so nice to damian that he gets fucking launched, and he gets so worked up over being called french that he took out the fucking chinese dodgeball players. everyone thinks it’s okay to make fun of brit’s until they do it to us and then they crossed a line.
yeah, and if it weren’t for washington, we would still be under rule of the monarchy and i’d be rolling if we go back under the king’s rule. i would love that more than anything.
Jakovasoaurs were worse...
I love Pip, the adorable british boy, I like to try and do an impression of him and my friend told me i do a perfect british accent when i do it
Well... I've just learnt the Pip episode was based on a novel (I'm from a spanish-speaking country, so we read different stuff in school), maybe that's the reason I actually found this episode amusing.
You sir, are under arrest for crimes against humanity for making your friend sit through this
This was an episode I had no idea existed until I saw an internet listing of all the episodes. Along with "Jared Has Aides," it was one of those episodes that Comedy Central just didn't air that often. When I finally saw it around 2006 or so, I just shrugged and said "OK."
Pip is a one-joke character, which is why I'm not too sad they killed him off, but in the grand scheme of things, the episodes he had any significant roles in make such a small percentage of the show's run that I can't get too mad at him. All I can do is shrug and say "OK."
There's an even funnier bit of Pip/Butters torch passing that happens even earlier. It's in "Weight Gain 4000" when the play goes horribly wrong, and you can see Butters beating up Pip in the background.
Atleast pips brother in law tried to teach him a skill instead of just yelling at him all the time like his sister
After watching my first ever sp episode I decided I will watch every single episode of SP and this was literally the only ep I truly hated
I also don't like A Million Litter Fibers
@spencerexplains6025 it's not good, but this ep doesnt even feel like a south park episode
Not gonna lie one of my favorite moment in South Park was literally that clipped you played of pip saying “you shouldn’t be mean to foreigners and besides I hate French people!” Idk why I find it so funny, obviously not the best scene in the show but I like it a lot.
Its a funny conundrum, pip and butters really are so similar except the accent. Why the hate for one and not the other? They’re both this optimistic punching bag that rarely if ever gets upset about always being the butt of the joke. Butters did get “Prof Chaos” but its not like he’s a menace, he’s just a foil for the boys super hero team thus he’s just playing along.
Because 🏴 is gross
As one of the 5 people who ACTUALLY kinda likes Pip, I do admit his character is pretty boring. The whole "happy go lucky character that's always constantly taking L's" trope really isn't that special when it's his entire character, and we already have Butters who does that way better than Pip. He could really benefit from having something of a personality.
If I were to write Pip, i'd make him a actuate depiction of a British person: rude, greedy, manipulative, thieving, vulgar, basically everything Butters isn't.
are you saying british people are horrible people
I agree
The hardest I have laughed at the Pip episode was hearing your reactions while watching it. God bless your soul for doing this Blooms
It's a shame they never did much with his character and just killed him off. Being British they could have made him more of a stereotype, maybe even act like a secret agent hellbent with overthrowing the US president and making the Queen (or King nowadays) the head of state.
It was a great episode. People who havent read Great Expectations are usually the ones to hate on it
I felt bad when pip got betrayed By Damien, it didn’t bother me when he didn’t react
Pip is overhated
As an ADHD loser hyperfixated on South Park that adores pip and the forgien kids, I need an apology with blood sweat tears and feet for this post
AND FEET??
idk what you see in pip hes annoying
ah yes, another specimen like me
@@serziex he’s so sweet, he does no wrong, he’s even more well behaved and kind than butters. He also has gone through a lot of trauma but still does his best to see the good in everyone and be kind
@@kittencomicslol hes french, french people are annoying end of story
This is a great video and it really builds up a good case as to why you think Pip is the worst character and episode. Especially when you compare him to Butters who is a similar but funnier character.
I dont think Pip - especially this episode is all that bad, though. I think it is because I am a fan of the "Great Expectations" story. I have never read any of Charles Dickens' books. The language used is dated and boring/difficult for the modern reader. However I have seen a number of fim adaptations and I really like the story. I first saw the Pip episode many years ago and I thought it was funny to see South Park's parody of the story. I am also a fan of Malcolm McDowell so I got a kick out of seeing him in the episode.
I think if I had been forced to study Great Expectations at school, this episode would have pissed me off, but because I have had a positive exposure to the story by watching film adaptations, I already was predisposed to liking this episode.
I don't think the makers of the show had been forced to study Great Expectations, because if so, then why would they want to spend even more time parodying it? I think it is more likely that they just saw that Pip was the name of the character in the book (plus that character gets abused sometimes like the Pip in the show) so they decided to have their character who is named Pip in a parody.
Fast forward to 2:40 to skip all the crap at the start including the electric desk rubbish.
Thank you
Goddamn it! I’m not French!
*knocks out 7 kids with a single dodgeball throw
Actually now I want to see Pip in the next game with that power. That would be amazing.
Pip is one of my favorite characters.. I just think he's funny.
Your pfp is funny
Bro put his opinion on a South Park character 😭
Pip's the key to all this, if we get Pip working. 'Cause he's a funnier character than we've ever had in the movies
@@freshmilkman But that's what this video is about.
@@freshmilkman do you even realize what channel or video you're watching?
Pip is amazing and that episode is HILARIOUS… it just makes fun of British people
You're won of those people huh?
@@MrBeenus do you mean "one" stupid!
could you imagine if matt and trey watch this and give pip an insane origin and make him part of some crazy plot point and make him a villain
Your video made me realize this is by far my favorite south park episode, rewatching it right now haha
Party pooper! Pip is a funny episode what with all the British accents/jokes, colorful insults and inserting the Genesis Device into Great Expectations. It's objectively better than some entire adult animated shows and the entire filmography of Illumination (tho that can be said of any piece of media)
I cried the first time i saw this episode, literally cried.
Pip is love, Pip is life
At least he died trying to save the town.
Quite sincerely one of the best episodes of the show ever. You've exposed yourself as uncultured swine by not liking it.
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TLDR at the end
The thing with a lot of of period writings like Dickens’s, or to a lesser extent James Joyce’s, writings that makes it hard to appreciate or contextualize is that most of the time modern readers really don’t get to consume it in its original form. Think of it like how Shakespeare was a playwright, a lot of his stories just lack something in the written form. However, in a play or even a verbal telling, the stories are much more engaging. the same is true for dickens.
Great Expectations was never really intended to be read in a single block sitting or even in large chunks, because it was a serialization in the same pattern as a web novel or a magazine novella today. The story was told over several years iirc and due to both cultural drift and similarity, a lot of the topics and themes enter into a sort of uncanny valley where modern readers may recognize things from history in modern society, but ultimately don’t really relate to them in the same way as contemporary readers would have. This sort of dissonance tends to make the story a lot less relatable, doubly so if you’ve never really gotten around to studying the cultural context of the era to drive home the differences between then and today.
A lot of authors and stories were either boring or frustrating to read for me due to how they were introduced in school, to the point of not really understanding why they were important. The stories that ultimately broke the camels back for me was Paradise Lost written by John Milton and the Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri. The former due an utter lack of context to what it was in relation in to the English language, as well as period Christian theological philosophy. This made what was otherwise in hindsight a rather emotionally charged rumination of free will in the face of oblivion, Filial piety in the face of ego, and the epistemology of one’s own existence, to really really fall flat. The latter being made so much better by gaining an understanding of period Italian politics and general literary practices, turning the story from being a stodgy, fire and brimstone - woe be unto you, oh sinner, into recognizing it for the glorious fan fiction shit post that it really is. Coming to understand period fiction really made me appreciate the outright lunacy and creativity it took to not only write the story, but publish it, so, so much better.
TLDR: you’re not stupid for finding it boring. the story is written with a lot of presumed knowledge about the contemporary cultural context and written in a format that can’t really be replicated today without prior knowledge and planning, making appreciating it difficult on a good day. Especially given the borderline incompetency of most western schools and universities approach to literature in general.
0:31 *Yes. Yes we are.*
Unpopular opinion but I love Pip a lot actually. Butters is obviously a million times better and his episode is WAYYY better then Pips but I really don’t get the hate. I understand why they had to kill him off tho since him and Butters are very similar and at the time they were barely using Pip. Pips episode is very bad and has not chance again Butters Very Own Episode, but you can’t deny that he was the blue print for Butters personality in the older seasons. Butters just has more personality but if they took the time to flesh out Pip and make him different from Butters he couldve been a great character. RIP peace 🙏🏽