FIREFLY Episode 8 "Out of Gas" First Time Watching Reaction/Review
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You're not the first reactors to be surprised that the other crew just left as soon as he drew a gun, but I'm really surprised by your surprise. Of course they did. Yes, there were 4-5 of them, armed, and they could easily have taken Mal - but he had the draw on them so they couldn't take him before he had shot at least one, possibly two of them. And why would each of them be risking their lives for that? They're not defending anything, not in a fight to the death, they can just walk away losing only that catalyzer part. So it's either lose a catalyzer and walk away all intact, or gain Serenity but with a 20-40% chance of dying. Serenity's routinely talked about as a piece of junk by other crews, so I think it's reasonable that they wouldn't think it was worth risking their lives in order to steal it. Not to mention Mal's gun was trained on their captain, so assuming he's making the decision his personal odds are even worse.
Plus... why get into a gunfight? Mal would likely die of his gunshot wound sooner or later. They can just retreat and wait.
Mal had already paid them, so they weren't losing anything at all.
Most importantly, Mal would have shot the other captain first.
@@kirkdarling4120 paid them? He didn’t give them money. He offered them anything in the cargo hold, and they instead declared that they would take the whole ship. I didn’t notice anything being unloaded from the cargo hold, and they definitely didn’t take Serenity, so what do you think he paid them?
You said exactly what I was going to write. I'm always surprised to see a viewer react in a way where they think it's just a numbers game where Mal is outnumbered seven to one!
Star Trek's original series was canceled at the end of its second season and it was the first example of science fiction fandom coming together to resurrect a show that they loved. This is what inspired fans to do the same thing with The Expanse.
This is actually one of my favorite episodes with everyone's backstory against the backdrop of something terrible happening. I especially love how Mal met Kayleigh. Another great review, guys! Keep em coming!
Definitely my favorite episode.
Love at first sight. The introduction of Serenity, the tenth character.
IMO this is still one of the best examples of non-linear story telling I've ever seen. I've heard they use this episode in film schools to teach the concept...
As always, thanks for uploading!
Something I really appreciate about this episode: the way Mal deals differently with different crew members:
Mal forcibly shocked Wash into doing his job.
Mal was gentle with Kaylee. Almost like a "father-daughter" relationship.
He tried to be gentle with Wash at first, too, but was forced into taking a hardline stance when Wash wouldn't listen.
@@luckypunfire6263 True but I don't see Mal ever treating Kaylee like that. He is consistently gentle with her.
The show got new life after the DVD came out. Long after it was released it continued to be a best seller (word of mouth) selling copies on a par with shows like The Sopranos and Seinfeld. That led to it getting a chance to make a movie.
This episode is some of the best writing you'll ever see on tv.
They are very literally out of gas, namely oxygen. It would have a whole different meaning in space.
Strangely, noone seems to remember we breathe gasses.
Or you can say Mal himself was out of gas and passed out. Mal was out of body heat, oxygen, and blood.
I like how you put into words that the crew of Serenity could overcome adversity in the form of people but the vacuum of space is another ballpark altogether. I don't know if this is how they feel, or if it just us viewers - stuck here on the Earth-that-was - that think like that.
If Malcolm Reynolds has a "superpower" it is his dogged resilience and the ability to keep on persevering when anyone else would quit.
Could you imagine if this had been the last episode that aired and they ended it when he falls before hitting the button as a cliffhanger?
They do "fuel up." Mal makes a point of that during their stop at Persephone in the pilot.
‘It’s a common trope in film for one man with a gun to outmatch many.”
Well, it’s less a trope and more just reality.. they had numbers, and got the first shot in, but they made the mistake of turning their back on him. Some of them could have overpowered him, but they know that the first person to make a move is likely going to take a bullet. More often than not, most criminals are looking for an easy target, not armed resistance and getting shot.
Guns are called ‘Equalizers” for a reason.
And they don't want to risk their captain being shot.
Catalyzer broke, not the compression coil. That's why Kaley was surprised.
The compression coil was the part that Mal was carrying in while talking to Book in the train job. That's how Kaley was able to put things in order.
To me is one of the best episodes of any serie. The 3 time lines, the acting.
My take on Wash and Zoe is Wash's attitude was because he was into Zoe and was putting on a front to impress her, and Zoe maybe didn't like it so much, but mostly she just hated the mustache.
There is a bit of background that I think explains Inara's attitude, but even though it's never actually discussed in the series or movie (it was something that got confirmed by Morena Baccarin in a panel at a convention after Serenity had already released)... I'll hold off on talking about it for now
Come on guys, of *course* that pirate crew is going to leave, because Mal has a gun trained right on their captain. If bullets start to fly, there's no way Mal can survive, but also Mal will most certainly kill their captain first. So their captain, valuing his own life makes sure nobody shoots at Mal and do as he says.
Yes, Kaylee had told Mal in two earlier episodes that the catalyzer was crapping out. She resisted telling him, "I told you so."
"'So, not runnin' now?" Zoe gets the best one-liners.
I love the way they treat Serenity as the 10th character in this episode.
I don't think Inara is being conceited there, she's just being a firm negotiator and letting Mal known straight away that she's not going to let him walk all over her.
Mal didn't want to leave with them because then he would have to watch his crew die. He feels like he failed them. Staying on Serenity means he can die with hope that some of them might have made it. Going with would mean knowing if his last hope failed.
Oh! You're on my favorite episode! Yay!
Yes! Catch-up time! One of the best written episodes of the series.
most everyone's fav episode , mine was janestown - it was so deep
The thought that goes threw my head is that Zoie saw something she DID like and was uncomfortable with that side of herself.
Great reaction. This is one of my favorite episode.
Gina had a small role because she was getting married to Lawrence Fishburne.
In the pilot and Train Job, Kaylee was telling Mal that parts need replace.
I love the back stories of the crew.
One of the best episodes of the series where you learn the back stories of everyone except Book who remains an enigma.
Find the comic, it's awesome
My take on the crooks giving up is that unlike so many TV villains, they AREN'T willing to die for a sweet haul. As long as they feel they are entirely in charge, they will take the ship,. But it's not enough for any of them to want to maybe die. That seems unusually realistic to me.
Plus their is still a chance he can't fix the ship and they get it by default.
My favorite episode among many almost favs.
best lines; "I know how they feel. my cars' in the shop." - "The captain goes down with a ship." "Jayne moves into action mode when it's time."
Yea the compression coil has been mentioned a couple of times as being dodgy but it was the catalizer that blew that's why Kaylee was so upset that she didn't notice something wrong. Cannot blame her tho she has been a little distracted by Simon 🤪💏
This is my favorite episode. I rarely get here with TH-cam reactors. Appreciate you guys and finally subscribed!
I was under the impression that Serenity (the movie) was the only time they had a full Serenity (the ship) interior set. They may have had all of the rooms built at the same time in the same building, but they were disconnected and not located in proper relation to each other. The first long take in the movie was specifically to show off the fact that they finally had a single set for the entire ship interior.
There is actually a cut in that scene. Very hard to pick unless you know.
While the hijackers could certainly have overpowered Mal, the first one to move would have taken a bullet. Given that fact, none of them was willing to try it.
Sad that you didn't include River's explanation to Book as to why he shouldn't be afraid that they were going to die gasping.
maybe even 2 or 3 depending on how quick mal is vs them.
Not the first one. The captain would have been shot.
You KNOW you're in deep go se, when Jayne is the voice of reason.
The genius of how they made sure the time jumps weren't "jarring" is the clever use of different color schemes for the environment.
Dark, foreboding blue for the present. Bright yellow for the past. (regular for the "future"/ present)
We got how they met Simon, River & Book (and Mal/ Joe to a lesser degree) in the Pilot episode. Here we get everyone else.
Oh, and on the confrontation with the salvagers? They left him alone because they were SURE he was unarmed! (which he was) They just didn't know there was a holstered gun within arm's reach of where he fell.
Also, they left because Mal (wisely) KEPT his gun trained on the LEADER! A group like this would ONLY follow a STRONG leader. A leader that would SEVERELY PUNISH disobedience. So, Mal made it clear to him that IF he gave the order to attack (& overwhelm) him, the leader would be certain to die! (And he didn't want THAT, so he cooperated.)
And yes, Guns are the GREAT EQUALIZER! (Which is why the 2nd Amendment is SO very important.) That is why I support it so much & wish EVERY woman carried a gun! (to help 'even the odds' if/ when "bad things" happen to them.)
Being from a country that restricted our gun laws after a mass shooting (something y'all don't seem to be capable of), I gotta admit I don't see how arming everyone makes things SAFER. Now everyone has the potential to kill people easily. Isn't that the opposite of what you want? I much prefer living in a country where I don't have to worry that my fellow citizens could easily start letting bullets fly...
The mechanic thought my car had an alternator problem. Turns out to be a manafacturing defect in the impellor.
Mal uses just the right approach to get Kaylee motivated (gentle reasoning) and to get Wash motivated (more forceful cajoling).
I love this episode. I loved your guys's reaction to it. To your point that they didn't have mid-season finales like they do now, they kind of did. They had sweeps weeks in November, and this totally feels like an episode you'd run through a sweep's month before the holidays. You do a promo of someone's going to be injured in this week's Episode, but who? That's what this episode feels like to me.
Keep up the great reactions. I really am enjoying them!!!!
What an episode. Just wow.
Best episode of the series.
Ah, my favourite episode.
and it's always fun to se reactors realize that's Kaylee!
Joss Whedon has said that he had the first three seasons outlined when Fox greenlighted the series in the first place.
Kaylee mentions the compression coil twice, but the problem this time was the catalyzer
There have been a number of Anime with characters able to communicate with mechanical and/or electronics like Kaylee does.
A month or so ago, I realized that we've never actually seen Mal accept Shepard Book as part of his crew. So aside from the question of how/if he's been paying his fare, I'm wondering if Mal doesn't want to accept Book's faith as part of his life but subconsciously recognizes the need to believe in _something._
We don't see how Zoe & Mal met, but we do see their introduction to Serenity. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
FWIW, they refer to Serenity as a "Boat" because space travel would be based on star navigation. Meanwhile on our real life Earth, navigation by the stars with sextants, maps and compasses, etc., was very common on many water vessels.... A.K.A. "Boats", particularly sail boats, thus the term "Sailors".
Kaylee has mentioned a part in the past, I'm not sure which one. If it was compression coil then the continuity didn't come through. This part was the catalyzer, and Mal even corrected the other ship when they used the term compression coil.
Also, the thing with Jayne, he didn't turn at the first mention of money. Mal also talked about everyone having their own bunk. I believe Jayne's turn wasn't solely about a better deal or money, but the promise of being treated like valued family rather than just a poorly-paid employee.
My understanding (which could be wrong) is that the catalyzer is a part of the compression coil, and Mal wasn't so much correcting as making it more precise. Like as an analogy, if you have engine trouble and when someone says your engine is broken, you say "the spark plug".
@@ALeafOnTheWind42 That's very possible, although the part he needed was a bit huge to be part of what would be called a coil, which would suggest a spring of some sort.
@@BKPrice For what it's worth, the Firefly fandom wiki agrees with me: "A catalyzer was a part of the compression coil that made the engine turn, generating power. The catalyzer and the coil rotated as part of the main engine."
Obviously it's nothing official, but still
@@BKPrice Actually, we do know that that's the case. What Kaylee says when Mal is talking to her about what went wrong is "Catalyzer on the port compression coil blew. That's where the trouble started"
@@ALeafOnTheWind42 Cool. I didn't remember that one. Sounds good.
"Out of Gas": Simon's birthday coincides with the failure of a part that Kaylee has been bugging Mal about since the beginning. The crew is divided up to fit the shuttles, while Mal waits for an answer to their distress call. Three timelines are color coded, with crew background segments in orange, and the recent past in blue. Wash had a mustache, Kaylee was "on her back," and Jayne was offered a better deal. A ship drops by...to take "Serenity," but is persuaded to leave the much-needed "nothing" part. Mal doesn't push the recall button, but the crew is back. The gas in question is Oxygen.
Also guy shot in the leg by Jane seems to know Jane is dangerous as hell. Also his friend then had Janes gun on his head. Another situation where things could get worse if you fight to hard. Mal had nothing to loose though, so those guys knew he'd just be killing them.
Great ep. It's about family.
Kudos for not complaining about the dated graphics of the fire being sucked out of the ship.
Inara was making a deal with Mal, so the attitude made sense.
I assume Jayne had the guy he shot in his peripheral vision, or maybe saw him drop the gun.
If Mal had started shooting, one of them would likely have shot him again before he could have killed them all. As far as him being outnumbered, that's why he targeted the guy in charge, bringing into play the old, "I may die, but I guarantee you'll go with me."
Just imagine how much more back story there could have been.
Yeah, it really bugs me when people watch older stuff and complain about or make fun of the SPFX.
@@ldkinbote I fear story is losing out to pretty pictures.
@@Educated2Extinction I suppose. I'm all about story. Don't give a crap about FX. If they're good, GREAT, but they are just to fill in visually what the story is trying to tell you so your brain doesn't have to do all the work, like old radio stories used to have to do. (my mom would tell me about growing up with that) I grew up on old Doctor Who and B-movies. SPFX don't matter at all. This is not to diminish the work of graphic artists at all, but I'm not going to drag them if everything isn't photo-realistic.
I think Jayne has a very important back story detail I think people gloss over in the episode "The Message", in his letter from his Mom. There are two silly things distracting you, but it shares two details that may explain why money is the most important thing to Jayne.
Eventually the Button got pushed, for the movie. :)
My favourite interpretation of zoe meeting wash isnt about the mustache. Her quote is "i dunno, just somethin bothers me". I think she had insta-feels too, but as a soldier, she didnt recognize it as 'love', it was just distracting her from her duty.
Different but interesting take. I never thought about it that way, thanks
@@RandyPeterson admitedly, i hadnt thought of it either, until i read it under another reaction. It made perfect sense to me though.
The TV trope of injecting adrenaline directly into your heart isn't a real thing. You'd never do that.
Oh that’s a relief
You would inject it into your eyeball. ;)
@@BKPrice generally in your leg
But injecting vampire venom is real, right?
@@russellward4624 I'm just making a joke. They were relieved that you wouldn't have to inject it into your heart so I followed up with an equally if not more horrific location to inject it. Nobody balks at injecting something in their leg. That's not as fun to contemplate.
The thing about the crew that tried to take the ship, is that they may or may not be genuine bad guys, they just saw an easy opportunity and took it, but it wasn't something worth losing even one of their lives. (I mean of course they are 'bad guys' they were willing to kill one guy for a ship, although it's possible he didn't kill Mal right away simply because his plan was to take the ship, and then just drop an injured Mal off at the next stop or something like that. )
They are scared of a single gun, simply because even though they would win in that fight, there is a very high chance that one of their friends would die, and the reward, is probably not worth it. When you factor in risk, rewards and prior expectations before they received the signal. If they never received the sos, their day would have been exactly as profitable.(minus one compression catalyzer)
I think Kaylee's father is a mechanic and she would have learned the ropes from him.
The gas they're out of is oxygen.
And they aren't moving, so a double meaning.
Okay, isn’t one of the 3 behind you for THIS episode
This was the first episode that made me see the ship as one of the characters in this story instead of just a piece of equipment. I always get the feeling with you two that you miss a lot of subtle clues because you are talking over the action and not paying attention.
Kaylee looks like she had been crying a lot in the end scene
nah Zoe had an instant crush on Wash....that was her trying to deny it because she's to hard for romance, it was showing how Wash was good for Zoe to in bringing her out of her hardened shell
I will say, I do think you (or maybe it's me) misinterpreted Inara's first appearance with Mal. My interpretation of that scene is that she doesn't have time for petty bullshit negotiation when she already knows the outcome, and knows exactly what Mal is willing to do to get that to happen and why. She spends all her working hours doing a dance of language with her clients(along with other things) that when it comes to the business side, she's already sized Mal up as a straight to the point guy, and figures this is the best way to handle the negotiations, which was always going to end up where it did.
I think that is part of the reason she's attracted to Mal. Not that he has a noble heart, not that he's usually on the side of good(in the end) it's that he's the counter to her world of bullshitting around the bush. (to clumsily combine a couple of metaphors) He's a sledgehammer, she's a scapel. She sums up that is who he is in this scene (and later realizes her summation was not accurate -- as she says at some point to the preacher, that he's still a mystery and so few men are)
Sure Mal couldn't kill all them but would you risk you being the one that gets killed? It's doubtful they've got a genius doctor to patch them up either so it's not worth risking your life for the ship especially when the ship isn't worth that much.
Why did Zoe order the shuttle to come back? It makes no sense and I'm shocked everyone just accepts this.
Mal's plan was a good one and anything else reduces their chances of survival so why did Zoe decide to take the shuttle back to the Serenity?
It wasn't just Wash that Zoe took an instant dislike to. It's also Serenity.
Oxygen is a gas, just sayin
Weird reaction to the introduction to Inara. She's negotiating a business deal with a man she doesn't know who barely disguises his contempt for her. How friendly do you expect her to be?
Please do not inject adrenaline into your own heart it will kill you. Doctors do it when the person’s heart has stopped in order to shock it back into pumping.
Imagine if this is when it got cancelled so they all died, lol.
Just sn observation, but you guys miss a lot of dialog by talking while the characters are talking.
My favourite episode.