Spotify Doesn't Want You To See This
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- Talking about Spotify being bad with journalist and author Liz Pelly, who just wrote the fantastic book "Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist."
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bro just gave Spotify the red flannel 💀
"When life gives you melons, you make melonade." - Mr. Melon, probably
@@Wizzy678 You realize Neil Young pulled his music from Spotify for several years out of protest against them?
@@johnoestmannmusichahaha
@@Wizzy678lol
@@Wizzy6786/10 ragebait
Some of your best work is on how corrupt the music industry is. Thanks for the great interview Fantano.
Hello to my fellow Aussie leftist
Meanwhile he shills apple music at every given turn
@@jl91iii they aren't the best but at they're at least a lesser evil
@@dubuioussoryy if it's said in the interview. I don't fully have the time to give it the attention it deserves right now. But I've heard that Spotify, while paying much less, promotes artists much better. Which makes it so that in the end the artists pay is often equal to or even better than Apple Music. Do you by chance know anything about that? I've been thinking about switching due to the ethics of it all. But this potential fact kind of stopped me in my tracks a bit!
@@dubuious How?
This left me so depressed i went for a mood booster playlist
Every time I come to the comments hoping for something serious and then I just cave and giggle when I see stuff like this
Lolllll
Post irony
@@soulsiphoner572 people bitch about the internet all the time, but the memes and snarky comments are what keeps me from self deleting.
Every time Fantano drops a video ripping Spotify apart, my lifespan increases by one minute
So you just lost 55 minutes and 4 seconds to this video in exchange for one extra minute on the toilet :P
China owns 12% of Spotify. It's in their best interest for Joe Rogan to spread misinformation.
Simply release a video every 59 seconds and live forever. The secret has been found
same. all i have to live for is spite tbh. my dreams have been crushed by this company
Highly recommend Benn Jordan's videos on the subject. He publicly holds a short position on Spotify, and shares his pay/stream data as an artist with 20+ albums and millions of streams. This year's update was a little different, but still worthwhile.
I'll keep doing what I've done for 35 years. Buying physical media and pirating what I can't find or afford.
Ordered the book, thanks for having Liz on.
This is the way. Also, remember to seed whatever you get through torrent.
@shalidor8102 My complete collection is up for grabs on Soulseek. And I always seed. I hate digital gatekeeping.
@@shalidor8102Soulseek is way better than torrenting for music
@@shalidor8102 where do people even torrent nowadays, all the websites i used to use are gone now
Capitalism vs. the arts part 174
Lol. That's just the first chapter.
Only 174?
more like part 174.000
Industry rule number 4,080 ...
Pretty much. Capitalism ruins most things
Hi Fantano, I will personally go to the Spotify headquarters tomorrow
N do wut?
@@loosedangalangprotestify
@@loosedangalangMangioning maybe
@@gevgnek Chuck or Luigi? 😬😬
dont worry he just Feels So Good
"Chill" in this context seems like code for, "easily consumable."
Easily ignorable
"background noise that doesn't take your attention away from what you're doing"
And even worse, things like the easylistening/sad/happy piano music lists are mostly composed by the same Scandinavian composer under a couple hundred different names. The artist makes millions by being added to everybody's algorithm generated playlists.
Basically Drake
This is a small thing, but thank you for linking the publisher! There are so many places to buy or check-out this fantastic book. Monopolies are bad for everyone ✌
I´m from Ecuador and people don´t care or just aren´t aware of Spotify issues and the way they consume music now. I´m a 46 years old musician/producer and my music are mostly in bandcamp and youtube, some people pick my physical releases (cassette´s, cd-r´s) for some time but people are so into this commodity of using Spotify that they don´t even know how to reproduce physical releases anymore!!! I have a new rap project and I was thinking to make a Spotify account for artist, but videos like this makes me think twice. The thing is people don´t care about bandcamp or soundcloud, and the situation in my country are not good for keep selling physical media to people who don´t want to spend money on it. Greetings from Ecuador! good video!
youre not the intended audience.
Spotify is just so comically evil
bet you still use it tho 😢
@@UnpleasantNasty weird post in bad faith
Good thing people do not care as long as the slop is in the trough.
Mega rich corporations like Spotify, Facebook, and TH-cam are all evil.
Every massive platform is comically evil
I really wish more people cared about this issue. I feel like fantanos been trying to get people to care about this problem for so long and people just don’t give a flying fuck
The problem lies with what people can actually do about it. It’s become such an integrated part of people’s life. Like problems with Facebook but some people feel like they still can’t help but use it.
@@SteelCitySHI really get what you're saying, but this has become the excuse for doing literally anything these days. It's the "no ethical consumption under capitalism" meme and people gotta stop playing the victim everywhere.
I have felt the same way and honestly, one thing that I’ve done to mitigate it in my own life has been to just painstakingly speak to people in my life, one at a time, often many times, and allow myself to be the villain (or That person) in the conversation (and to be clear, I try to be measured in the way I talk about it but most people don’t want to hear a lot of these things initially because they don’t want to give up the convenience of Spotify so when I say ‘the villain’ I just mean for most people you’re annoying by default even bringing it up occasionally) to tell people how shitty it is cuz a lot of people genuinely don’t know a lot about it… a lot of people don’t know about the money that Ek has given to military ai companies… I had to tell most of the people I know how little artists get per stream, and more than likely I’m the only person in my personal life who knows about the more recent change that cuts smaller artists out of the financial equation entirely… that said, I’ve gotten a small handful of people in my life to quit Spotify… it’s all you can do is keep spreading the word, even if it means your seen as annoying, until the conversation, or quitting Spotify itself, becomes the norm
@@alexanderkorte-stapff6824 "no ethical consumption under capitalism" is for stuff like food and gas, applying it to anything that you can very easily get somewhere else or just sacrifice altogether is just selfish and self-defeatist, I really need ppl to stop misusing that phrase to justify not even lifting a single finger lmao
@@SteelCitySHsimply put there are companies that aren’t nearly as bad. Tidal may not have a great cent per stream count, but they haven’t done half the bs Spotify has and it’s algos and UI are comparable (and in some ways better). I’ve heard good things about Quboz etc… point is there are another avenues that aren’t cutting out streaming entirely people just don’t want to give up personal listening history on Spotify, their own playlists etc (which is unfortunate given how easy it would ultimately be for most people to give up except for the block in their own minds surrounding their personal data… not to mention reframing that data erasure and you see that it would more than likely be a positive for people because they would have to develop a more active relationship with what they listened to for a while… but people get attached to playlists like they do with old photo albums and it’s hard to give up that nostalgia for many).
as an artist i am constantly unable to work with playlisters due to the fact that they are looking for a specific sound/mood/style and any of my more unique sounding songs are never placed and are left unheard leading to only my more catchy songs to be placed
This is because most of the avenues for you to get those songs heard via playlists now rarely actually care about music and are avenues filled with people who see artists as an easy quick buck off of people who want their music to be heard…. Playlist game is no longer nearly as genuine as it once was and filled to the brim with influencers and sharks…
There will always be the Thomas Kincaiding of the arts. The vast majority of people, having a narrow view of aesthetics in art and are not artists themselves, will most often, but not always, gravitate to the most common denominator. The most unchallenging art. Sad fact of life.
Always hated Spotify. Took away my “active listening” muscle. Research the topic if you want your love and joy of music back
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Also, thank you for posting links to the book that aren't Amazon 🙏
This interview made me reach out to a local music artist I've been too shy to message; thanks Fantano for a great conversation, loved the respect for one another
That's awesome, good on ya!
You can also get punished by Spotify for doing well. My band had their album removed because Spotify claimed we used bot-driven playlists to get more streams, which is completely untrue. Artists have no control over their songs being put on a playlist. We had to work with our distributor to get our music back and after all that they fined us! I've heard someone say it's like an artist getting in trouble for someone shoplifting your album from a record store.
Very thought provoking. Thank you for covering the industry and not just the music.
The conquest of chill made me go look up this book. I've noticed this a lot. Very rarely do you have a popular band have what I always called "Paranoid Android" energy - a journey that jars you and takes you places. I always wondered why there were less climaxes and transitions in popular "indie" or "alternative" music in the 2010's.
I am an artist with paranoid energy. And have only one song out. This is the year I release a single every six weeks.
I’ve always liked the experience that Spotify provides in terms of accessibility but I can definitely see how the streaming environment and their playlist based systems have trivialised art.
Personally, I only use it for a library. Discovery is terrible. It's doing what all algos do now... overcatering. What happens is Spotify starts off recommending diverse options... and then after 2 months of doing it, it mostly wants to shove the same 200 songs everywhere. I can't stand my favorite artists biggest songs anymore because Spotify decided that me running their discography regularly meant that I wanted 3 specific hits to appear in half of the playlists I generate that day. And all of the tracks it chooses are that. I look at these generated playlists and most of them already have a green circle.
It's like it's terrified to show me a single thing I might like even a little less than the thing everyone most likes of what I most like. I have countless personal playlists spanning countless genres, that I run all of the time. And Spotify can't find anything new to show me from it. I know it exists, because I find it all of the time. Just not on Spotify, because all it wants to do is play out laser width samples of only certain regions of my tastes.
It's like being trapped in your old bedroom with the same old action figures forever. And it's filling up with more old toys everyday. You got new hobbies and skills, but you can't enjoy them because they're buried in the pile from your old toy box.
It's honestly staggering, how something originally designed to show people new things, is actually the ultimate stagnator. TH-cam algo does me almost as dirty. But they're all doing this. So good at finding what you like, that you can't stand what you like anymore.
It's always odd to me when people talk about passive listening like it's some new thing. Like.. in every kitchen I worked in before streaming, every mechanic or machine shop. Someone just had the radio playing in the background. Passive listening to a radio station where you just wanted something in the background has always been around. And yeah. Advertisers were still playing right along side the music.
True, except radio wasn't siphoning profits independent musicians into major labels.
Yeah it was just majors siphoning money from their own artists if they didn’t have a publishing/songwriting split in their contract.
@ Yup.
I actually identified as a pirate party member in college, studying the formation of piratebxy and the pirate party in sweden was quite formative to the lens through which I saw social and political issues when I was younger, and why I'm so damn anti-capitalist, anti-surveillance, and anti-fxcist in general now lmao
Let’s just get rid of the internet or keep it at the level it was in the 90s.
How you know much wealth any given individual can generate because of what the internet is now compared to it then? You’re dumb
Early 2000s, but you’re probably too young to remember. 😅 I used say 80s when I meant 90s, because time is weird.
@@JeremyAndersonBoise early 2000s was all pirating, and yes it was very cool.
You have to do it a personal level. Stop using streaming services and most of social media sites essentially. Stick to downloading your media and using old school forums and chat rooms
@@MegaDRKSTR and paying artists, don't forget to do that. Unless your goal is to be a kind of MicroSpotify.
Cancelled my spotify subscription yesterday. Gotten more into CDS
CD's are so good
ordeal is, I cant carry an entire case of albums in my pocket. we're all victim to their predatory practices, obviously, you can do what you can, but I am a fiend and listen to everything and I love the option of just being able to dive into rabbit holes of music and I cant do that just by CDs. The best option would be Spotify ACTUALLY giving a fuck about their artists.
You can get a walkman, headphones and a couple cds and listen through. You realistically dont NEED 100s of cds in any one given day, just, what are you planning on hearing today? Be intentional@@ATKClipit-ds2tl
My spotify playlist would cost $120 000 in cds, not to even get started on the technical difficulties in making them shuffle tracks randomly.
ME TOO!!!! plus a lot of CDs are really cheap nowadays if you're buying them second hand
Someone should light the Luigi-Signal in the sky.
Bros in prison how’s that gonna work
I’m not pro CEO to be clear but the state factually imprisoned the dude unfortunately
@@Cdr2002 We can all be Luigi if we believe hard enough.
@ respectfully, go do it then. I, unfortunately, need to find a job right now. If you have the means, go on ahead
@@Cdr2002sounds like OP needs a job done...
spotify doesn't cause death you fucking insane person
I’m reminiscing so hard on the days where I had iTunes, limewire, and a guy I followed on tumblr who made these obscure playlists (many of which I’ve now lost). I owe that dude a lot of my taste in metal now.
Limewire was a whole ass era lol
@@WuSada soulseek exists today and it's limewire without the viruses
If you’re interested there’s a pretty good dramatisation of The Pirate Bay’s history made by Swedish Television. It’s called The Pirate Bay (duh) but it gives a bit of an insight in the times in Sweden.
i might need to get involved.
The ceo of spotify: I'm going to underpay artists and be evil 😈 hahahhahahha
Bobataco210: nah, not on my watch
@@shloprop4751I mean we all saw what happened with Luigi
SICK EM
found u hehe
What is blud gonna do 😭😭
few months ago I cancelled a subscription in favor of creating a playlist with downloaded music (yes I buy the digital albums from my favorite artists on like bandcamp and whatnot) and you know I don't know why I didn't do that sooner the music sounds better and I pay nothing in exchange for a little more hard drive space, and I don't pay some big evil corpo
now I get to directly support my favorite artists and give them the love they deserve
The quality of the mp3s on Bandcamp are superb
exactly what i do. and i find my music on Reddit or TH-cam or groups in fb.
Are you only listening to fully independent artists? Cause if not, then your still filling the pockets of the big labels, since they take most of the album sales money.
I remember when I was in college, in one of my music tech classes (I was a studio music major) we actually had a visit from a Spotify rep to sanitize it. I was so on board with it at the time! Little did I know...
Requesting my library pick up a copy of this book! Thank you so much for the conversation.
Library is just oldschool piracy in a weird way.
Shipping fees have gone up especially for international orders. a small label with physical items has to take that cost into consideration it often results in the shipping expense being 2x to 3x the cost of the actual physical media (tape sells for $8, shipping from Cleveland to Berlin is $22) consumers will just not pay that for long
Spotify is going to kill the music industry.
There’s no escaping death
Spotify is already killing health and info - you can peddle ivermectin as a cancer cure and land a $200 million dollar deal.
iTunes might still win 😅
The industry is doing better than ever
Such hyperbole. Spotify will die long before music dies.
The piracy culture in Sweden/Scandinavia emerged out of the demoscene/piracy scene early gaming computers such as the Commodore 64 and Amiga.
I find it interesting how I’ve never interacted with Spotify the way it’s “meant” to. I’ve never hopped onto a created playlist. I would just go to the music I already knew and “like” the songs I wanted so I would have them in my library and just shuffle stuff around.
I also jumped on streaming music wayyyy late. I didn’t want to. I was such a hold out on having the music I wanted on my device, ipod style.
I guess it is irrelevant, Spotify still collected my money and continued their nefarious business practices.
That's what I do, too, unless it's a playlist made by a local band or something to find other smaller touring bands. It's also possible to find really small artists who are so good and weird if you try to find the artists with like less than 10,000 or 1,000 listeners a month
I'd been on Spotify for over ten years (before I finally boycotted them a little over a year ago) and I never once bothered with playlists, except the few I made
always just listened to albums
Same
I hopped on Spotify basically the second it launched in the UK, because I've always just put my library on shuffle and now I could do that with so much more music. I could keep up with the music artists I listen to released. And the user playlists! The user playlists are just the absolute best but now they have started to bury them. I quit Spotify when they got rid of the heart in favour of my own library. I am up to 6TB of music and have my own personal Spotify. It's great.
i feel like we are on the cusp of the next era with music online and im so glad liz took the time to go through the past and give us this account before we enter whatever tf is about to happen. thanks for this interview!
its not just music. its the entire internet. people are sick of the bullshit censoring. then you got sites pushing a specific political agenda like X and now fb and tiktok
I use mp3s and will never ever go back.
Ever.
same, soulseek gang forever
same
I love my mp3 player so much
My iRiver 40gb brick (H300 series) died a death many many years ago.
My phone has a headphone jack in it so it's essentially the same (I don't use wireless headphones)
Flac
I read the book and it's incredible, bravo Liz Pelly! Highly recommended. Thanks both for this interview higlighting some aspects of the book and going deeper. As a musician myself that's been releasing music for 25 years, understanding the forces and motivations that drives a big tech-business like that is very helpful to put things in context.
The reality for musicians today is simply that they have to load up content daily on many platforms, and that quantity and looks is mostly more important than the quality of the music. It just feels like buying a lottery ticket every day and just hoping that something happens. You can do it for 15 years and get nowhere or you load up your first song and get viral for some reason no one understands. It’s a completely unfair system. You can compare it to a race to a mountaintop and some players get a ride with a truck to support them while others have to carry a backpack with 100 pounds of weight in it. And than the successful ones get praised even more wich even increases their support while those who don’t make it get rendered uninteresting and don’t get views at all.
Loving your one man crusade to bring down Spotify
Curtiss King is on that crusade too.
@@BeautifulEarthJaand the author Liz Pelly
it's not a one-man thing - this is a big movement. Time to get on board
This was a great interview. I've really been enjoying the guests on the channel lately. I really appreciate being challenged about my use of technology and the lack of thought that I personally have toward the implications of using that technology.
I think it’s time to go back to physical. I’ve got a head start!
As a working class artist, I’ve had to direct fans to listen to my music via bandcamp. Streaming ain’t it
i think for now the smartest thing to do is put your best track on Spotify and TH-cam and keep all the rest on Bandcamp
@@caseyjones3522 Yeah this, suprised i've not seen more of just 'singles' Or complete albums mixed together. Or even just having a 'preview'. Ha I remember back in the day on myspace artists always just had previews.
@@caseyjones3522 why though? Genuienly asking
I love these types of discussions!!!
Spotify has always been dogshit, fantano has had a really good take on this for a while, glad to see people are more receptive to the idea that “Spotify doesn’t have music in its interest” than the were last year. I feel like the conversation on this is growing in a healthy way.
its taken long enough. i post about it all the time on fb and i get no engagement.
Because people are starting to realize how much they’re suffering under corporations in one way or another. It’s not just Spotify. People are waking up to the fact that “you will own nothing and be happy” is already happening in daily life.
TH-cam premium and TH-cam music is the goat and better algorithm for music recommendations
Edit also no ads on regular TH-cam is huge bonus
Yeah I recently made the switch myself. I watch so much TH-cam and the frequency of the ads was really becoming unbearable. Once I found out premium came with the music service it was a no brainer. Also, I really resented paying for Spotify premium and still having to listen to ads every ten minutes on podcasts??
@ damn ads during podcasts even with the subscription is crazy. I really love watching live dj sets with no ads. Also I listen to podcasts at work best subscription I’ve ever purchased.
@@zalaquin adblock + mini pc = king
14:05 for those who were around 07-12 and beyond, there was a DISTINCT shift from 2012 to 2013. To sum it up (especially in independent music) the blogosphere died and the algorithm took over. Not just because of the rise of streaming but also cemented prevalence of social media platforms.
If you’re “old” and a real one, you remember the seemingly endless number of blogs in varying scale, up to the Altered Zones & GvB’s under legacy publications. What a time!!
wow, i literally just wrote a massive college paper throughout last semester on the negative aspect streaming services. Seriously wish that I had come across this book then.
how was it received?
I'm so happy you are having this conversation. The whole art and culture situation is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. Starting out it is so hard to make money by selling records physical or online. Musicians stopped making money off records and got it by touring. Because of corporate consolidation, they can't do that either. Live Nation and ticket master even owning the smaller venues as well.
Digital is convinient, but Physical is king. Personally? I like both. That's why I create my own server and rip my CDs so I can listen to everything in one hand while I have a briefcase full of CDs
the way to do it
can u share how you made server?
Briefcase with CDs is baller
CDs are digital my friend. The opposite of digital is analog, not physical. You can even store digital audio on tape (DAT).
@@hannahbauer1143 the best way to do it is through Network Assisted Storage devices (NAS). Basically an external hard drive with an Ethernet port. Some are elegant enough to have a media interface that you can access through a good old web browser. It does require some research and getting your hands dirty, but if you are the type to "build your own birdhouse" in a sense, you can't go wrong.
I’m so glad this brilliant woman and others are exposing Spotify for what it is - a vampire on creatives. But good god the VOCAL FRY IS KILLINGGG ME. Byt srsly thank you Liz Pelly and Anthony Fantano for having this chat.
Same!
Incredible guest, thank you for going into such detail here. Especially appreciated the end segment about more musician and listener friendly alternatives/strategies for the future
Before I got TH-cam premium I literally just ripped entire albums or songs off TH-cam to mp3. Once I was sick of the ads on mobile and started paying I just jumped over to TH-cam music. Spotify doesn’t have a good enough value proposition to justify the cost
The greatest strength of their value proposition is the curation, ie. Their mixes/playlists, but they just fired half their curation staff in favor of AI, which has thus far gone terribly. It’s still the best money I spend every month, but it doesn’t feel great knowing how they treat their artists.
Same @@EthanRoseKuntz
YT Music >Spotify esp because of included YT
brave browser locks out all ads and basically gives you premium. I can listen to whole albums with my phone in my pocket. Only downside is you can't use the YT app
@@EthanRoseKuntzeh. Maybe in times past. The algo sucks now and only pushes the same shit I’ve already been listening to in the mixes. Or shit I just don’t care about. I find people let the app use them instead of the other way around. There’s much better ways of finding new bands and artists it just takes a bit of digging around forums/ seeing what artists tour together/ going to shows etc etc
This was both so clarifying and so infuriating to hear. As an independent artist often measuring my worth via Spotify metrics, I needed this
I think she has a great point with the whole "lean back listening" thing. One of my least favorite normie comments I see more and more on interesting music is "when do you listen to this" often accompanied with like, 5-10 skull emojis. As if setting is the primary dictator of music when music is more accessable now than ever before.
Like, you're engaging with art, dude. You listen to it when you're in the mood to FEEL something. I've grown increasingly paranoid that I share the air we all breathe with a generation that would rather be placated than moved, and I think Spotify is guilty of capitalizing on that.
(P.S. thanks for platforming an author, Im gonna read her book now. Do more of that, Ant Knee Fant Knee)
The Harper's Bazaar article in the description is fantastically written and deeply troubling, I had no idea this "ghost artist" nonsense even existed. Nightmarish to be as a creative person. Requested this book from my library, thanks for the interview!
When a creator that doesn't usually clickbait clickbaits, I click.
Thanks so much for this interview, I can't wait to read the book!
Yes, the “chill vibes” apocalypse. I think streaming apps should avoid genre based categories altogether. Can we not think of other ways to categorize music? They need to mix it up; maybe categorize by geographical region or something. So we’re not all living in the same genre-based, “chill vibes” echo chamber.
I’ve always admired Liz Pelly’s writings on this. Great discussion !
I vote we go back to the days where we just stole our tunes honestly. None of this corporate pickpocket crap, that's just a moral placebo that makes us feel better. Steal music or don't listen.
Great interview Anthony!
Keep it going real hard!
I switched from Spotify to TH-cam for my music, good video ✌️❤️
This was an awesome interview. Thank you
If there was a well made cloud based music library app and player where you owned the files hosted on the cloud, and it cost like $5/month, i would instantly use that and buy the music I wanted
Bandcamp isn't the best app (not iOS friendly), but the marketplace allows you to buy and stream. TH-cam Music (fka Google Play Music) allows you to upload 100k tracks from your own personal library.
Plex
It's Plex you're looking for, super easy to set it up just point it at your music library and ensure your port is open. I host Plex on my PC, bought the Plexamp app on my phone and as long as my PC is on, I can listen anywhere for free, or $3.99 a month or buy a lifetime membership on sale for neat features that help you explore your library more!
5:25 _Literally_ The Pirate Party, founded/headed by the guys behind the OG Pirate Bay.
Pirate bay: No money but user will listen to your whole album start to finish most of the the time. Most popular music rises to the top.
Streaming: No money and user may or may not listen to one song maybe two on your project. Mystery RNG
No
@@snoopy4749Explain why you disagree
@@unknown6390 I pirated for years and loved it until it became tedious, don’t get me wrong Spotify are greedy and there needs to be a change, I resisted from streaming until I physically couldn’t any longer due to my then current laptop giving out.
There’s annoyances to legit streaming like albums disappearing and royalties not being shared,although the accessibility to thousands of artists so easily is extremely handy. I’m not saying I wouldn’t ever go back to sailing the seas of cheese again, especially with price hikes but if there was a better, more affordable and artist friendly streaming platform that emerged I would also consider choosing that.
Bandcamp: (for now) actually cares about artists.
46:39 fantano unleashed and really gets going 51:02
(Thanks for doing this! Everything Liz writes and says hits hard, gotta track down a copy of that book.)
Spotify sucks.
True…
Really informative and great to see such a hot topic get an actual deep dive into the business and psychology behind it. Bought the book.
Excellent interview, gonna go read that book
Thanks for this!
Anthony Fantano, internet's bookiest music nerd
You should be able to buy a "proof of purchase" directly from a producer, artist, or rights-holder then present that proof of purchase to any streamer you have an account with and stream that album regardless of whether or not it is on their "all you can eat" menu.
Thank you for not shying away about how terrible Spotify is for true artistry. Spothiefy donates billions to trump’s inauguration, meanwhile they’re not paying artists shit.
This interview makes me feel like the only person on the planet who likes individual songs in playlists and then explores the artist catalogue later
Stop the streaming and seek into your soul.
😜🤙
Perhaps a soul.. seek?
@@unknown6390 1st rule of fight club
Great video. Very informative of a service I had been taken for granted
Can we just go back to the days of HMV, Virgin Megastores, and Blockbusters
Big fan of these kind of videos and content you. I use spotify, never really thought about looking for alternatives before or how much of a monopoly it has on streaming.
Great interview. I will be getting this book for sure. It’s disappointing how much I’ve come to rely on Spotify, so much so that I don’t even know how to find new underground music.
Bandcamp is really great for in depth music exploration! I also like listening to NPR whenever they interview artists, or just going to random local shows.
ever heard of soundcloud?
you find underground music through fb groups (by genre), subreddits by genre, and TH-cam is decent at recommendations also.
@@mac-n-steez999 a lot of soundcloud is amature trash tbh
Try Radio Garden where you can hear indie radio stations in your area. This will expose you to new music, I promise. 🙂
Great interview and really interesting points made by her
It just accrued to me that Chat GPT is Spotify for knowledge/information workers and their companies are the labels. When all these jobs are devalued from stolen data after the Arts Jobs I hope when they join the club there will be more power in numbers for a pushback and change.
Thank you so much for doing videos like these!
Spotify after seeing this: 👀
The audiobook is on Spotify
Thanks for this interview, it made me buy a copy.
I love this channel for the music biz coverage, but I would really like to know what the guests are listening to or want to cosign in the future!
Thank you Liz for writing this book and being a part of this conversation! We need your voice ! Thank you! I'm learning alot right now bravo!
Glad I've never given Spotify a cent.
Great video, and will defo pick up Liz's book too!
Professional idea guy, hear me out:
- Patreon-like features. Artists can offer tiered, exclusive content (videos, interviews, online concerts, Q&As, whatever artists on Patreon already do). They don't need to offer additional content even; but giving fans easy access to supporting their favorites directly.
- More intuitive merch/storefronts built into these platforms.
- Something like a 'tip' feature.
Something like this already exists. It's called Bandcamp.
Spotify has a tip feature, a lot of artists have it.
@@squeemlives I suspect that's regional; I've never seen the option.
@@squeemlives but artists never get tipped on there lol
Liz is a beast!
Respect to her for doing all the research!
It's because of stuff like this that I listen to old music more and more. New music seems more and more like "content" curated by some weird consensus opinion.
This is fantastic music journalism here. Thank you
Amazing conversation! I’m definitely going to look into that diy book that was recommended.
0:55 knowledge™
Good to see the book getting some shine, it’s incredibly eye opening as an artist.
Very interesting convo 😮
When do they get to the point? I'm 20 mins in and so far they haven't said anything.
-- Petition to just make music to the highest level possible because it’s our duty as artists/musicians to create-
All of Our songs are way more important than we care to admit.
I stay up listening to good new music from real people who want to share their life experience because we know deep down it helps. It connects us
Don’t let the algorithm or platforms make you forget that we’re all still out here creating for the sake of the world or even just the sake of our collective soul.
I’m just glad I’m here to listen as well as sing!
Spotify is ridiculously evil