You know how when Bill Evans or Miles Davis played a tune, it often became the definitive version of it? That's how I feel about this tune and Vijay's arrangement.
Human Nature is one of Michael Jackson's songs in the album, Thriller. It was released on July 3, 1983 and recorded on November 1982. This song was written by Steve Porcaro and John Bettis and was produced by Quincy Jones. 3:33 “Human Nature” was written by Toto’s keyboardist Steve Porcaro, the son of a jazz musician who idolized Davis. He was understandably honored that his dad’s hero chose to cover his work along with Cyndi Lauper’s “Time after Time,” on 1985’s You’re Under Arrest, one of the prolific artist’s final albums. Sources: Fandom; Open Culture
True, great music is often the expression of a musician's "inside" but technique and other factors can't be discounted. Because after all, I'm a pianist and I want to express my identity in my music but I can't convincingly express this anywhere near as well as Keith Jarrett for example. Why? It's because he has the tools to fulfil this expression on his instrument and this is rather unfortunately due to the truth that we can't naturally express music well, because music isn't natural. It's the result of years of work on intellectual, creative, technical and personal aspects of developing a musical identity. Otherwise, I agree.
I recently attended a performance by Vijay Iyer, and he was much more avant garde and unstructured -- almost like Cecil Taylor at times. I guess he can do anything.
That's revealing to know. Saw Cecil Taylor once and after it was over felt I had been aurally assaulted. As long as Vijay can play melodic some of the time.
Cecil Taylor is also very melodic and very structured. You have to wonder why so many musicians site Cecil Taylor as an influence - it's because his music isn't just "out" to be "out". there is usually a purpose for it, if you can listen long enough.
@@holygroove2 if it's a clue he has a henry threadgill cover on the same session as this song, plus five originals, plus an anish kapoor on the cover, plus he has a phd in physics or the gist of one.
There are a handful of young, creative pianists that just amaze every time-Brad Meldhau and Vijay Iyer are two of the best. The first time I heard "Blood Sutra" my mind just melted, almost a mystical experience. Vijay has become more melodic, but I still love it. And the piano was his second instrument! A real gift to the music world
@daleburt2020 I think in part you're feeling how they've changed the rhythm: in the original, the bass often breaks up 8 beats as 3+3+2. Here, Vijay they're breaking 13 up as 5+5+3. It doesn't feel that weird because 5/3=1.6666 isn't that far from 3/2=1.5. They play the same trick in their cover of Mystic brew, replacing 3+5 with 5+8, and then 8+13. In the writing section of Vijay's webpage there's an essay "Strenght in Numbers" explaining this method in connection with Fibonacci numbers.
I hear it as a lumpy 12/8, 3+3+4+3, with a little push on the 3rd beat. The drums leave the "backbeat" in most of the time which helps it sound this way.
I was fortunately to catch them live in London at The Wigmore - they were absolutely incredible! This video doesn't do them or this song justice compared with their live performance.
Yes on Lil' Wayes page it says that they approximately eat about 27.93333 percent of gnocchis to be able to play the tricky stuff on the hi-hat. If you now what I'm saying.
From Louis and Bing to Art Tatum and Hank Mobley, jazz and the American Popular Song have been 2 unique arts intertwined as one--a symbiotic relationship. Without one--Berlin, Kern, Gershwin, Rodgers, Duke, Porter, the blues--jazz would have not have had a "message" for its skilled messengers to deliver; but it was also that message that led the aforementioned composers to create The Great American Songbook, a body of original indigenous music that draws throughout on the harmonic and rhythmic inventions of soulful pyrotechnicians like Hawk, Tatum, Bird, Diz, Trane, Bill Evans. If you want to learn to play jazz, lean the American "classics"--the songbook mastered by Tatum and late developed by Coltrane and Bill. Only then, does it become possible to pick up where Bird and Diz left off, matriculating in the school of bebop that is the only important graduate "degree" for any modern jazz musician. That's the "soul "of jazz and American popular music. But the heartbeat of meaningful improvisation is "swing". Subtle and flowing as the human pulse, a walking 4/4 bass that at once lifts the music and galvanizes its players--the only "beat" that has produced meaningful extemporaneous improvisation--lyrical melodies that aspire to be creative art." Most people remain clueless about this music. Start with Paul Gonsalves' 28 choruses (Ellington at Newport 1956.)
@@mortweiss3151 wait a minute, Mort Weiss? That was my grandfather and namesake -- anyhoo, I was trying to find the thread here from 10 minutes ago about Cecil Taylor, Henry Threadgill and VI; I wanted to say that I just discovered that in the popular electronic file format there are 2 versions of this song, track 4 on the cd I bought from him at SFJazz and had him or them autograph and a "bonus track" playing this second on my handheld. Now I'm trying to recall if VI did or did not win a Genius Grant.
I liked it, but 3:28 is when the “check engine” light finally came on. 6:07 the head gasket blew. Funnies aside, I appreciate the unstructured nature of it. It was a good different.
It doesn't matter how many ways you cut up the metronomic pie (trumpeter Don Ellis came up with every conceivable time signature on his '60s and '70s recordings). What matters most is the emotional impact on the listener. The audio with this video is actually well recorded. What's lacking is the sonorities possible with a better instrument (like a Steinway or Bosendorfer?) and a pianist who's moved beyond the limitations of flat-fingering to a touch generated from powerful shoulders.
The natural inclination is to count it in 4, akin to 12 / 8. You'll notice that your counting gets to the next measure prior to the music, hence the 13 rather than 12. Try to count eighth notes (listen to Vijay's playing around :38 - steady eighth notes). To me, the pattern that sounds/feels right is 3 + 3 + 4 + 3 = 13 / 8. Hope this helps!
I think uprights are generally limited in tone regardless of marque. As for technique, I think that's a subjective criticism: if Iyer's technique allows him to accomplish what he wants, then it's valid. Monk played in a similar style.
ehh could have been done better imho. I wish the pianist twitted the higher keys more. I like the bass piano notes tho. Overall it got too funky and seemed to veer off course. Great potential exist tho.
Very impressive rythmic work, but no melody, no group sound, and individual sounds are rough, (as snare drum). At my sense, music is not only rhytmic mastery, don't forget sound and poetry.
I have a lot of respect for Vijay Iyer and his work, but this cover is just an awkward choice for his trio. It weighs them down--- the melody is too strong to branch away from.
it's on our album "Accelerando" (2012). thanks for your interest
12 years later and I still think this is a masterpiece.
remarkable....heartbreaking in the best way possible....so so beautiful....
My jazz history professor recommended me this in one of his lectures! Really beautiful stuff. :)
You know how when Bill Evans or Miles Davis played a tune, it often became the definitive version of it? That's how I feel about this tune and Vijay's arrangement.
Human Nature is one of Michael Jackson's songs in the album, Thriller. It was released on July 3, 1983 and recorded on November 1982. This song was written by Steve Porcaro and John Bettis and was produced by Quincy Jones. 3:33
“Human Nature” was written by Toto’s keyboardist Steve Porcaro, the son of a jazz musician who idolized Davis. He was understandably honored that his dad’s hero chose to cover his work along with Cyndi Lauper’s “Time after Time,” on 1985’s You’re Under Arrest, one of the prolific artist’s final albums.
Sources: Fandom; Open Culture
Didn't know about Porcaro. Thank you! @@Gurci28
Wonderful music. That's all about picking something great and making it even better. Thank you for this performance!
Beautiful rendition.
Props to the film editor. The compiled the performance highlights like a champ.
Thanks for watching Aaron!
He vuelto aquí después de 8 años sin verlos. Sigue siendo impresionante
yo, cada dos meses o algo asi...para los ultimos 4 anos
BRILLIANT!!! You got me channeling McCoy Tyner, Lyle Mays and Coltrane here this morning! Just excellent!!!
It's what you feel inside that contributes to the best music and how to express it, not technique..
True, great music is often the expression of a musician's "inside" but technique and other factors can't be discounted. Because after all, I'm a pianist and I want to express my identity in my music but I can't convincingly express this anywhere near as well as Keith Jarrett for example. Why? It's because he has the tools to fulfil this expression on his instrument and this is rather unfortunately due to the truth that we can't naturally express music well, because music isn't natural. It's the result of years of work on intellectual, creative, technical and personal aspects of developing a musical identity. Otherwise, I agree.
@@UkuleleAversion tom stfu lol
I recently attended a performance by Vijay Iyer, and he was much more avant garde and unstructured -- almost like Cecil Taylor at times.
I guess he can do anything.
That's revealing to know. Saw Cecil Taylor once and after it was over felt I had been aurally assaulted. As long as Vijay can play melodic some of the time.
Cecil Taylor is also very melodic and very structured. You have to wonder why so many musicians site Cecil Taylor as an influence - it's because his music isn't just "out" to be "out". there is usually a purpose for it, if you can listen long enough.
@@holygroove2 if it's a clue he has a henry threadgill cover on the same session as this song, plus five originals, plus an anish kapoor on the cover, plus he has a phd in physics or the gist of one.
There are a handful of young, creative pianists that just amaze every time-Brad Meldhau and Vijay Iyer are two of the best. The first time I heard "Blood Sutra" my mind just melted, almost a mystical experience. Vijay has become more melodic, but I still love it. And the piano was his second instrument! A real gift to the music world
The sound of the upright piano on this quite cool
@daleburt2020 I think in part you're feeling how they've changed the rhythm: in the original, the bass often breaks up 8 beats as 3+3+2. Here, Vijay they're breaking 13 up as 5+5+3. It doesn't feel that weird because 5/3=1.6666 isn't that far from 3/2=1.5. They play the same trick in their cover of Mystic brew, replacing 3+5 with 5+8, and then 8+13. In the writing section of Vijay's webpage there's an essay "Strenght in Numbers" explaining this method in connection with Fibonacci numbers.
I hear it as a lumpy 12/8, 3+3+4+3, with a little push on the 3rd beat. The drums leave the "backbeat" in most of the time which helps it sound this way.
I also hear it as 3+3+4+3. It's almost the original with a triplet feel, but there's an extra beat added to the third triplet.
Something a physicist-turned pianist might think of..lol
@gsviews i like the way they rework it rhythmically. the groove is where the real reinterpretation is.
Driving the car while listening to this álbum . is amazing...
Joint exploration of a lovely groovy tune.
@Stivanification the trio's album 'accelerando' comes out in march, including this song.
I was fortunately to catch them live in London at The Wigmore - they were absolutely incredible! This video doesn't do them or this song justice compared with their live performance.
I'm late. Just saw this artist on PBS for the first time. Thanks PBS.
Fantástico!!, la sentí en la piel, ya sé que es una definición extraña, pero así fue.
GRACIAS!!
This track appears on the Vijay Iyer Trio's album "Accelerando," and in solo form on Vijay Iyer's album "Solo"
Great work guys.
Great Music by Vijay Iyer and his team
Good luck
God bless them
Thanks
Kasturi G
Excelente!!!!
Nice Cover, who are the bass player and the drummer?
+Pierre-Alain Goualch Stephan Crump and Marcus Gilmore
Yes on Lil' Wayes page it says that they approximately eat about 27.93333 percent of gnocchis to be able to play the tricky stuff on the hi-hat. If you now what I'm saying.
From Louis and Bing to Art Tatum and Hank Mobley, jazz and the American Popular Song have been 2 unique arts intertwined as one--a symbiotic relationship. Without one--Berlin, Kern, Gershwin, Rodgers, Duke, Porter, the blues--jazz would have not have had a "message" for its skilled messengers to deliver; but it was also that message that led the aforementioned composers to create The Great American Songbook, a body of original indigenous music that draws throughout on the harmonic and rhythmic inventions of soulful pyrotechnicians like Hawk, Tatum, Bird, Diz, Trane, Bill Evans.
If you want to learn to play jazz, lean the American "classics"--the songbook mastered by Tatum and late developed by Coltrane and Bill. Only then, does it become possible to pick up where Bird and Diz left off, matriculating in the school of bebop that is the only important graduate "degree" for any modern jazz musician.
That's the "soul "of jazz and American popular music. But the heartbeat of meaningful improvisation is "swing". Subtle and flowing as the human pulse, a walking 4/4 bass that at once lifts the music and galvanizes its players--the only "beat" that has produced meaningful extemporaneous improvisation--lyrical melodies that aspire to be creative art." Most people remain clueless about this music. Start with Paul Gonsalves' 28 choruses (Ellington at Newport 1956.)
I'm With you Doctor! Mort Weiss
@@mortweiss3151 wait a minute, Mort Weiss? That was my grandfather and namesake -- anyhoo, I was trying to find the thread here from 10 minutes ago about Cecil Taylor, Henry Threadgill and VI; I wanted to say that I just discovered that in the popular electronic file format there are 2 versions of this song, track 4 on the cd I bought from him at SFJazz and had him or them autograph and a "bonus track" playing this second on my handheld. Now I'm trying to recall if VI did or did not win a Genius Grant.
What is that Doublebass? Stephan Crump using! I want it!!! Where can I Buy it?
Wood Bass www.czech-ease.com
what category of jazz would this fall under?
i love Vijay's style....you can see the Thelonius Monk influence.
And Andrew Hill!
Vijay are you planning to play with Martin Taylor ?
I liked it, but 3:28 is when the “check engine” light finally came on. 6:07 the head gasket blew. Funnies aside, I appreciate the unstructured nature of it. It was a good different.
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I'm nearing this today in honor of my deceased school mate Donald Patnaude.
@Stivanification it's on the new vijay iyer trio album "accelerando"
amazing piece. :) loved it
Beautiful and thoughtfully mathy:)
I want more ! :)
wonderful music! thanks so much for sharing this.
Marcus on fire 🔥
Love me some old vijay jay
Awesome play.
Dwayne Michael Carter, Jr. was born on September 27, 1982, and grew up in the Roy Hollygrove neighborhood of New Orleans, Louisiana.
Love it
I think his playing technique fits the sound they want to accomplish perfectly.
The timing.
👌
It doesn't matter how many ways you cut up the metronomic pie (trumpeter Don Ellis came up with every conceivable time signature on his '60s and '70s recordings). What matters most is the emotional impact on the listener. The audio with this video is actually well recorded. What's lacking is the sonorities possible with a better instrument (like a Steinway or Bosendorfer?) and a pianist who's moved beyond the limitations of flat-fingering to a touch generated from powerful shoulders.
Cool!
@pauldaj Isn't Iyer a physicist? I think that's his background.
THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW WITH MICHAEL JACKSON AND BEETHOVEN... BOOM...
calm down
Marvellous!!!!
thats really cool!
Not surprised he records for ACT as this immediately made me think of Esbjörn Svensson and Co.
Wonderful Marcus Gilmore fantastic
Hello, beautiful recording! Is it possible to let me know which the brand (and type) of piano this is he's playing on? thanks a lot! kind regards
bravo I enjoy a lot
This guy has hoodwinked everyone.
What's the time signature?
is it possible that they play with gnocchis?
13 / 8
How do I count it?
The natural inclination is to count it in 4, akin to 12 / 8. You'll notice that your counting gets to the next measure prior to the music, hence the 13 rather than 12.
Try to count eighth notes (listen to Vijay's playing around :38 - steady eighth notes). To me, the pattern that sounds/feels right is 3 + 3 + 4 + 3 = 13 / 8.
Hope this helps!
Scott Firestone Thanks.
I count it like this. Quite fast. 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3
The most logical way to count it to me is 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3
Wow, Sick!
Vijay's cool.
wwwwaaaash! keñeros... futuristas
I honestly don't remember... It was just a video on the recommended side. Maybe though! LOL
nice!
I'm always open to suggestions. Feel free to give them to me. Thanks.
AMEN
wow...
This is annoyling nice.
😍
BRAVAAAAVO!!
I think uprights are generally limited in tone regardless of marque. As for technique, I think that's a subjective criticism: if Iyer's technique allows him to accomplish what he wants, then it's valid. Monk played in a similar style.
I love how they exposed this upright piano
great stuff reminds of est in sound
did any one else hear michael jackson about 3:15, or some other pop tune
What, this is actually a Michael Jackson song, lol. Didn't even know that.
It's the Michael Jackson song.
13?
interesting. i am not sure. must hear more
of course it could have been done better. the same could apply to your comment.
ok never mind, didn't know that was a MJ tune, sorry!
drummer got a bum deal!
LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL 2:29
Yeah, but the piano's getting pretty self concious
Ari Hoenig? LOL
jesus that announcer is .....ha ha
video response:
watch?v=S2htpstFzE4
Wusste gar nicht, dass Luke Mockridge Kontrabass spielen kann, lol
ehh could have been done better imho. I wish the pianist twitted the higher keys more. I like the bass piano notes tho. Overall it got too funky and seemed to veer off course. Great potential exist tho.
Actually I think Metallica is better than Megadeth ...
Very impressive rythmic work, but no melody, no group sound, and individual sounds are rough, (as snare drum). At my sense, music is not only rhytmic mastery, don't forget sound and poetry.
個人覺得這bass好醜...........
Orz
whats are yall on, this sounds terrible.....Well, the drums beat does
3 amazing musicians just playing another gig and a bullshit tune. Play some Dolphy for KPLU, boys...how would that sell? Activism
I have a lot of respect for Vijay Iyer and his work, but this cover is just an awkward choice for his trio. It weighs them down--- the melody is too strong to branch away from.