Adjust it by the book for 16 valve motor and not the way this video is showing! TDC cylinder #4 compression stroke. The crankshaft should be pointing at the 12 O'clock position and at its mark and the Camshaft Cam-pulley mark "E" at the 12 O'clock position lined up with the divot on the head. The valves lash being tight is what will keep it from starting. A valve adjustment should be done on this engine when replacement of belt is required. Final timing adjustment with engine running after valve adjustment and at operating temp and RPM at 800 will be 5 degrees before TDC (RPM adjustment on top of intake manifold under small black cap). Valve adjustment is .006 for intake and .007 for exhaust. Once you have TDC with crankshaft and Camshaft at "E" with new belt and tensioner, turn Crankshaft again with socket wrench clock wise one full turn so that your #1 cylinder is at TDC compression stroke. Now adjust valves! All of #1 valves (intake and exhaust), #2 intake only and #3 exhaust only. Turn Crankshaft one full turn so that you're back to "E" cylinder #4 TDC compression stroke and adjust valves. All #4 (intake and exhaust) #2 exhaust only and #3 intake only. Put back together and start engine and get to operating temp and then adjust to 800 RPM and only then adjust to 5 degrees before TDC turning distributor.. Do it this way to get maximum power, not just getting it started! The Cam position sensor located under distributor cap also gives these engines problems with starting when they go bad.
I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS IN THE COMMENTS, THIS IS """"RIGHT""" I'VE BEEN A MECHANIC FOR OVER 35 YEARS I KNOW HOW TO TIME AN ENGINE. WHEN I PUT THE MARKS THE WAY THE BOOK SAYS AND OTHER YT VIDEOS THE ENGINE WOULD NOT START. WHEN I TIMED IT THE WAY THIS MAN SAYS TO DO IT, IT FIRED RIGHT UP. I KNEW IT WOULD START WHEN I TURNED IT OVER BY HAND TO CHECK INTERFERENCE AND IT HAD COMPRESSION. SO THANK YOU SIR AND WHAT A WHACKY MOTOR.
Just took the cap off my sidekick and I was so blown away and confused to see the rotor inside the cap. That threw me off so much and I've been mind blown on how the hell you get this thing to run correctly
@@rolandoroquefl2836 yea. It was just stuck together inside of it. I had a short in one of my injectors and just ended up splicing into the injector and running a new wire back about 6ft into the harness. Fixed all problems.
I’m not a mechanic but from what I understand. Cylinder #1 is not on the front of the engine but on the back of the engine. It is the cylinder closest to the distributor. So all of the people who think that cylinder #1 is on the front of the engine are wrong. That is why those people time it’s firing to cylinder #4. All this needs clarification by reading the manuals for cylinder location. I’m no expert but just giving you’all my thoughts.
I seen were the timing on the 4 cylinder but I got it to work on timing on 1 cylinder next time I work on geo ill do another video on #4 cylinder timing
If you're going to make a video, make sure you have all the necessary info. To set the timing, you have to remove the ECM advance. You do that by shorting the black wire to the blue/red wire in the test connector.
saludos de Bolivia tu si sabes porque el cruce valvular o traslape no da y tambien tuve varias deducciones sin embargo estas en lo correcto lo raro es que me llego el vehiculo puesto a tiempo en el E pero todos cometen ese mismo error o falla y suben muchos videos de ese motor G16A DE SUZUKI
Thanks Dude. Helped me out a lot. Do you have a video on changing the timing belt and water pump. I guess when you said boat you were talking about the water pump
I have a 95 geo tracker that has a difrent distributor ..4 wire plug in and I did headgasket on it and re timed it . I removed the cam shaft and re installed it. But I tried every way I could to get it running. It starts if it is half throtle or wide open if i let off the gass it shakes and dies .any sudgestions
Hello i am working on my 1999 g16b and i did the timing just as the book said and it backfires thru the intake... does it means its out of time... if i yry this way may i solve my issue?? I dont want to bend a valve
@@uncleelroy6011 yes i managed to get it correct but instead of using both E marks i used the I marks in the camshaft and the woodruff key in the crankshaft pointing up at 12 o clock position. The cam gear i did as follows .. THE CAM HAS 2 I MARKS ONE NEAR THE BOLT HOLE IN ONE OF THE KEYWAYS AND ANOTHER ON THE EDGE... THOSE 2 I ARE THE ONES TO GO
that will work if you are lucky but the mark on the tooth on the bottom of the cam gear should line up with the notch on the top . Otherwise it is easy to be out a tooth. Turn the engine over one revelution of the lower gear and line it up again.
Hey brotha I just did a head gasket job on the exact year and model and i'm having difficulty setting up the timing. I can get it to start but it doesn't run very well and it almost dies when I tried to accelerate. I set my camshaft with the E lined straight up and after watching your video i'm wondering if thats why i'm having issues. Also you line up your rotor at 12 o'clock? I've seen online some people time at 5 degrees BTDC and some say rotor should be at 12 o'clock and some say 1 o'clock.
Turn your crank to see if everything still aligned at the marks pull out your distributor make sure your rotary is point at number one spark plug wire on the cap now when you go to put your distributor back in the way it whines in is going to make it go I'm not mistaking left a couple of teeth so you got to put it in couple teeth to the right so Lines up straight
@@rolandoroquefl2836 Thanks for the response. I was just curious where you found the info saying to position the cam sprocket with the E off to the right side? Everywhere I look online it says to position it straight up so I imagine that must be true to some degree?
If your cam gear the two slots like mine for some reason that year was different from every other, other cam gears don't have slots in two different position like the one on my Geo I've tried every other way there is to start it up like the book says on that year and also looked on forms seen some other people had similar problems make sure number one piston is all the way top dead center, camshaft valves number one has to be closed, then lineup distributor to number one position when you have the timing belt off turn your turn camshaft were you feel the tension off camshaft it to let you know valves are closed send me some pictures or video of what you have so I have a better idea how to help
Spartan skills gaming/ import cars/ soccer coach Someone I got it to run today without having to change up the cam sprocket. I just messed with the distributor a bunch and ended up putting the rotor at 11 o’clock and it seems to be running fine. I guess I’ll see how it goes over time here
Alright Lemme get this straight. You want #4 cylinder on compression with the cam sprocket keyway lined up with the timing notch on the engine, and then you want the distributor lined up with #1 cylinder? I don’t get it.
I am doing this right now on a 96 x90, I just did the head gasket, , I put it back together and it started, Yeah, I warmed it up, had to replace the plug for the crank positioning sensor, and it idled well, I burped the air from the coolant, and took it down the road, It had zero power, and I had to pull it back home, I see that the area for the catylitic converter was smoikin hot, But I think I had it timed on the exhaust stroke, Im confused now, I put it together the way I took it apart I thought, but I had the distributer off, and head checked and surafaced, so, now after my neighbor and friend said switch plug wires on the firing order, and then it wouldnt start, and I think it blew the ignition coil, so I had an old distributer I put in and it started, but really rough, Now I dont know where its at on timing, and I dont know what to do with it, Im trying to get the converter off and empty it out to start with, at least then you know its not that, Then I dont know, Thanks for the video. I do know if the rotor is pointing at number one it is on the compression stroke for TDC, at least it's supposed to be, should I take the fan and all that out so I can start over , looking at the timing marks on the crank and cam? I don't know +oh its a 96 1.6 16 valve x 90
I would definitely take that converter off 2nd I would turn the crank by hand using a ratchett put it back in time in a check your marks look at your Cam gear ,your Cam gear If it's off by little bit , not to make power. I don't never put all that plastic in front of my belt I guess is that belt cover its the pain and in ass to take off again I just leave the time Belt expose, Did you get your head resurface before you put a new head gasket
@@rolandoroquefl2836 , Yes, The head was checked and resurfaced and it was good I was told, What would happen if I remove the stuff inside the converter and leave the 02 sensors alone like they are, Will that have a bad effect of fuel mixures on this motor? or can I run like that?
I'm running my Geo tracker without a converter you're still good Also got SS headers I got a video on my TH-cam somewhere about new SS headers i put on
@@rolandoroquefl2836 I got the converter off, but need to clean it out, and I opened up the gears again, and I think I found I timed it on the exhaust stroke, I am gonna pull the head to make sure I didnt do damage, while I got it down this far,, If it looks good, should I have it rechecked?
@@mikeplitnick5051 if I'm not mistaken overhead valve on those head should never touch the piston so it's unlikely to been a valve can you send me a picture on your timing want to take a look and see what it looks like
E cam dowel used on cam E at 12 o'clock on cam Mark on crank sprocket at 12 o'clock Add belt, make sure they are at 12 o'clock Congrats you have matched your cam and crank correctly Now, make sure that distributor is put on so the button (center tower) points to cylinder 4 - this should be toward the front of the car. 1 should be firewall, 3 should be top (toward passenger), 2 should be bottom (toward driver) Now just have to figure out that last tooth adjustment. I'm fully advanced on mine and it runs but it's an absolute power dog. Probably a tooth off.
Did the HWY 83 method, and it runs but like you said, the valves stay upon so its leaking compression. About to try your way and will update the results
Sir, your crankshaft timing mark is in right position, camshaft gear timing mark is wrong,,,, suggest check ur #1 TDC piston, distributor rotor in #1, #1 camlob is all down dead position , ur time belt should be out already so u can reposition all timing, in that way ur camshaft gear will show d mark on d cover is ok& ur mark on camgear will coincied,,, get d idea ,, im a pilipino mech, we observe 1st then manual latter,,,
Lifesaver! Literally the only info I've been able to find on this. Thanks man!
Adjust it by the book for 16 valve motor and not the way this video is showing! TDC cylinder #4 compression stroke. The crankshaft should be pointing at the 12 O'clock position and at its mark and the Camshaft Cam-pulley mark "E" at the 12 O'clock position lined up with the divot on the head. The valves lash being tight is what will keep it from starting. A valve adjustment should be done on this engine when replacement of belt is required. Final timing adjustment with engine running after valve adjustment and at operating temp and RPM at 800 will be 5 degrees before TDC (RPM adjustment on top of intake manifold under small black cap). Valve adjustment is .006 for intake and .007 for exhaust. Once you have TDC with crankshaft and Camshaft at "E" with new belt and tensioner, turn Crankshaft again with socket wrench clock wise one full turn so that your #1 cylinder is at TDC compression stroke. Now adjust valves! All of #1 valves (intake and exhaust), #2 intake only and #3 exhaust only. Turn Crankshaft one full turn so that you're back to "E" cylinder #4 TDC compression stroke and adjust valves. All #4 (intake and exhaust) #2 exhaust only and #3 intake only. Put back together and start engine and get to operating temp and then adjust to 800 RPM and only then adjust to 5 degrees before TDC turning distributor.. Do it this way to get maximum power, not just getting it started! The Cam position sensor located under distributor cap also gives these engines problems with starting when they go bad.
I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS IN THE COMMENTS, THIS IS """"RIGHT""" I'VE BEEN A MECHANIC FOR OVER 35 YEARS I KNOW HOW TO TIME AN ENGINE. WHEN I PUT THE MARKS THE WAY THE BOOK SAYS AND OTHER YT VIDEOS THE ENGINE WOULD NOT START. WHEN I TIMED IT THE WAY THIS MAN SAYS TO DO IT, IT FIRED RIGHT UP. I KNEW IT WOULD START WHEN I TURNED IT OVER BY HAND TO CHECK INTERFERENCE AND IT HAD COMPRESSION. SO THANK YOU SIR AND WHAT A WHACKY MOTOR.
Worked for my 95 Geo tracker. Thank you very much.
Just took the cap off my sidekick and I was so blown away and confused to see the rotor inside the cap. That threw me off so much and I've been mind blown on how the hell you get this thing to run correctly
Did you get it running
@@rolandoroquefl2836 yea. It was just stuck together inside of it. I had a short in one of my injectors and just ended up splicing into the injector and running a new wire back about 6ft into the harness. Fixed all problems.
I can’t thank you enough I’ve been banging my head for a couple days. I wish I had come across your video a lot earlier!
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Just curious did it work.
I’m not a mechanic but from what I understand. Cylinder #1 is not on the front of the engine but on the back of the engine. It is the cylinder closest to the distributor. So all of the people who think that cylinder #1 is on the front of the engine are wrong. That is why those people time it’s firing to cylinder #4.
All this needs clarification by reading the manuals for cylinder location.
I’m no expert but just giving you’all my thoughts.
I will look on this thanks
Pretty good explanation. You’re totally right with all this!
But even in the Suzuki workshop manual it says that the E has to stay up...
With the g16b 1996 the timing is on the number 4 cylinder tdc which throws most mechanics out, I have a 1996 x90
I seen were the timing on the 4 cylinder but I got it to work on timing on 1 cylinder next time I work on geo ill do another video on #4 cylinder timing
Gd day sir, suggestio only,,,i find the engine setup similar to suzuki vitara 1.6, suzuki G13 engines,, so how about checkin' up w/ suzuki manual???
If you're going to make a video, make sure you have all the necessary info. To set the timing, you have to remove the ECM advance. You do that by shorting the black wire to the blue/red wire in the test connector.
And where would those wires be located?
What we doing f egnation coil not give power to the distributor sir?
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Thanks Dude. Helped me out a lot. Do you have a video on changing the timing belt and water pump. I guess when you said boat you were talking about the water pump
Not at the time on water pump
I have a 95 geo tracker that has a difrent distributor ..4 wire plug in and I did headgasket on it and re timed it . I removed the cam shaft and re installed it. But I tried every way I could to get it running. It starts if it is half throtle or wide open if i let off the gass it shakes and dies .any sudgestions
mistaken that a Carburetor Motor engine
You may have spark plug wires And the wrong time in sequence or distributor , your fuel pump took a crap on you
Hello i am working on my 1999 g16b and i did the timing just as the book said and it backfires thru the intake... does it means its out of time... if i yry this way may i solve my issue?? I dont want to bend a valve
Did you get it to work. I’m having the same problem on my 99. Can’t get the timing right
@@uncleelroy6011 yes i managed to get it correct but instead of using both E marks i used the I marks in the camshaft and the woodruff key in the crankshaft pointing up at 12 o clock position. The cam gear i did as follows .. THE CAM HAS 2 I MARKS ONE NEAR THE BOLT HOLE IN ONE OF THE KEYWAYS AND ANOTHER ON THE EDGE... THOSE 2 I ARE THE ONES TO GO
I'm trying to set valve lash on 96 tracker 1.6. 16 valve what is correct method
Last time I did that I had a look at the book and see what it calls for
i have the same one. I have no compression on 1, 2 cylinder. not check 3 or 4 but 1 and 2 are dead. will timing cause this as well?
Yes
If time is off they can be dead
that will work if you are lucky but the mark on the tooth on the bottom of the cam gear should line up with the notch on the top .
Otherwise it is easy to be out a tooth. Turn the engine over one revelution of the lower gear and line it up again.
What about f the egnation coil not give power to the distributor.... What we doing?
I had to replace the Distributor Coil pack is Built-in to the distributor
Make sure a spark plug tester make sure you're getting power coming out of your cables The Do test distributor out
Hey brotha I just did a head gasket job on the exact year and model and i'm having difficulty setting up the timing. I can get it to start but it doesn't run very well and it almost dies when I tried to accelerate. I set my camshaft with the E lined straight up and after watching your video i'm wondering if thats why i'm having issues. Also you line up your rotor at 12 o'clock? I've seen online some people time at 5 degrees BTDC and some say rotor should be at 12 o'clock and some say 1 o'clock.
Turn your crank to see if everything still aligned at the marks pull out your distributor make sure your rotary is point at number one spark plug wire on the cap now when you go to put your distributor back in the way it whines in is going to make it go I'm not mistaking left a couple of teeth so you got to put it in couple teeth to the right so Lines up straight
Just hit me back up any questions maybe I can do another video some more details
@@rolandoroquefl2836 Thanks for the response. I was just curious where you found the info saying to position the cam sprocket with the E off to the right side? Everywhere I look online it says to position it straight up so I imagine that must be true to some degree?
If your cam gear the two slots like mine for some reason that year was different from every other, other cam gears don't have slots in two different position like the one on my Geo I've tried every other way there is to start it up like the book says on that year and also looked on forms seen some other people had similar problems make sure number one piston is all the way top dead center, camshaft valves number one has to be closed, then lineup distributor to number one position when you have the timing belt off turn your turn camshaft were you feel the tension off camshaft it to let you know valves are closed send me some pictures or video of what you have so I have a better idea how to help
Spartan skills gaming/ import cars/ soccer coach Someone I got it to run today without having to change up the cam sprocket. I just messed with the distributor a bunch and ended up putting the rotor at 11 o’clock and it seems to be running fine. I guess I’ll see how it goes over time here
Tengo un problema en una Geo tracker 96 motor 1.6 16 válvulas no quiere arrancar pero no sé cómo ponerla a tiempo
Helpful thanks alot
THE ,E mark align w/ the cover notch mark,,
Alright Lemme get this straight. You want #4 cylinder on compression with the cam sprocket keyway lined up with the timing notch on the engine, and then you want the distributor lined up with #1 cylinder? I don’t get it.
thank you sir
Can you subscribe to me thanks
Are you lining the mark on 0?
Thank you this worked for me
I am doing this right now on a 96 x90, I just did the head gasket, , I put it back together and it started, Yeah, I warmed it up, had to replace the plug for the crank positioning sensor, and it idled well, I burped the air from the coolant, and took it down the road, It had zero power, and I had to pull it back home, I see that the area for the catylitic converter was smoikin hot, But I think I had it timed on the exhaust stroke, Im confused now, I put it together the way I took it apart I thought, but I had the distributer off, and head checked and surafaced, so, now after my neighbor and friend said switch plug wires on the firing order, and then it wouldnt start, and I think it blew the ignition coil, so I had an old distributer I put in and it started, but really rough, Now I dont know where its at on timing, and I dont know what to do with it, Im trying to get the converter off and empty it out to start with, at least then you know its not that, Then I dont know, Thanks for the video. I do know if the rotor is pointing at number one it is on the compression stroke for TDC, at least it's supposed to be, should I take the fan and all that out so I can start over , looking at the timing marks on the crank and cam? I don't know
+oh its a 96 1.6 16 valve x 90
I would definitely take that converter off 2nd I would turn the crank by hand using a ratchett put it back in time in a check your marks look at your Cam gear ,your Cam gear If it's off by little bit , not to make power. I don't never put all that plastic in front of my belt I guess is that belt cover its the pain and in ass to take off again I just leave the time Belt expose, Did you get your head resurface before you put a new head gasket
@@rolandoroquefl2836 , Yes, The head was checked and resurfaced and it was good I was told, What would happen if I remove the stuff inside the converter and leave the 02 sensors alone like they are, Will that have a bad effect of fuel mixures on this motor? or can I run like that?
I'm running my Geo tracker without a converter you're still good Also got SS headers I got a video on my TH-cam somewhere about new SS headers i put on
@@rolandoroquefl2836 I got the converter off, but need to clean it out, and I opened up the gears again, and I think I found I timed it on the exhaust stroke, I am gonna pull the head to make sure I didnt do damage, while I got it down this far,, If it looks good, should I have it rechecked?
@@mikeplitnick5051 if I'm not mistaken overhead valve on those head should never touch the piston so it's unlikely to been a valve can you send me a picture on your timing want to take a look and see what it looks like
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E cam dowel used on cam
E at 12 o'clock on cam
Mark on crank sprocket at 12 o'clock
Add belt, make sure they are at 12 o'clock
Congrats you have matched your cam and crank correctly
Now, make sure that distributor is put on so the button (center tower) points to cylinder 4 - this should be toward the front of the car. 1 should be firewall, 3 should be top (toward passenger), 2 should be bottom (toward driver)
Now just have to figure out that last tooth adjustment. I'm fully advanced on mine and it runs but it's an absolute power dog. Probably a tooth off.
Need info
Did that same method. Going to change it to how this guy did on this video
Did the HWY 83 method, and it runs but like you said, the valves stay upon so its leaking compression. About to try your way and will update the results
Ok
Ok
Thank you so much!!
This car Is also known as Suzuki Vitara / escudo or Chevrolet Vitara sport with 3 or 5 doors..
@@albertozambrano8157 this car is a Geo Tracker which is almost the same thing as a Suzuki Sidekick
I have a 8 valve would the timing be the same?
I wouldn't know but it don't hurt to try
My mistake, distributor rotor in #4 position,, not #1
Sir, your crankshaft timing mark is in right position, camshaft gear timing mark is wrong,,,, suggest check ur #1 TDC piston, distributor rotor in #1, #1 camlob is all down dead position , ur time belt should be out already so u can reposition all timing, in that way ur camshaft gear will show d mark on d cover is ok& ur mark on camgear will coincied,,, get d idea ,, im a pilipino mech, we observe 1st then manual latter,,,
How can you change the ignition timing?
What do you mean? Gave me more information
Nope it's down to the cam even if the crankshaft is the same
rally many things about this video your all pic in googel is wrong
thank you so much
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So you can go either way
Theres a fifth spark plug wire where does that one go?
The 5th cables for a different motor, but it goes to Capacitor on the side of the motor
Ur 16v same with suzuki Vitara,,,
My 1600 just started run for a bit then die
Timing is 180 out lol the cylinder closest to the distributor is cylinder 1 from all Suzuki sidekick/ Geo tracker forums
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You time it off number 4 cylinder
1 and 4 piston will be up when time i put Distributor on #1 piston
Just need to put the “I” of the sprocket. on top mark on cam.
Basically you got to look at your cam gear and see how the key stock lineup
Mean Hwy 63,,,,
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Hey buddy hit me up beed your assistance
What's up
That's out of timing
Thank you sir