MULTIPLE YORK PACKAGE UNIT'S NOT COOLING
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- The complaint was that they had an ac not working but while on the roof I found another one that was down too.
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"no wonder that one's missing, it's in my hand. Duh"
Holy moly I feel that one 😂
That's not as bad as me searching around for a hat that is on my head. :(
This old piece of junk is still working better than the new pieces of junk one third of its age...
i had a old Philips 55 inch tv it could survive a fast plushie to the screen no matter what!
Those units have definitely lived their life, and they’re still working decently well considering how old they are. They sure don’t build things of the same quality that they once did. Thank you for another awesome video Chris! I’m learning more and more from you with every new video I watch. Keep up the great work! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Maybe I wasn’t paying attention, but I don’t remember hearing about PMs by this company on these units. From the looks of it, they must do at least some PM to keep old units working as well as they do. Might not be as efficient, but as others have mentioned, they don’t make them like they used to! Know what I mean, Vern?
@@dotcom624 I know exactly what you mean
@@HVACRVIDEOScombine the garbage QC of new units with zero PM. What could possibly go wrong?
you know, sometimes the engineer part of my brain thinks i could make an absolutely ballin refridgeration unit and then i see these absolute tanks that are still happily running and i get humbled. great work as always!
Thanks
I am not in HVAC - I will never be. However, I sure do love your videos. I really enjoy watching and learning from experts, people how have a passion for what they do. I appreciate your drive for customer service, running a business and teaching everyone. Excellent work.
Loving the new intro! Cannot believe how trashed those condensers are. Surprising that these units have not just fallen apart from age.
Lock tight is great for vibration issues. Things don't tend to vibrate off when they are secured with Lock tight.
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I agree with you, those old Yorks aren't going to last too many more California summers. You bought them some time, but replacement is inevitable.
Full refurbishment, when factoring in parts and labor (assuming you can find all the parts) would probably be close to replacement cost. The phrase "diminishing returns" once again rears its ugly head...
I fully expect you to experience more "Band-Aid Solutions" in the future. Cali's new $20 minimum wage for fast food workers will have such a financial impact to restaurants' operating costs that your clients will HAVE to cut corners to stay solvent. Sadly, this also means an increased potential of having to troubleshoot and/or repair work done by untrained/unlicensed individuals ("I know a guy that could fix that for ya much cheaper!").
Those units absolutely suck to replace the heat exchanger...if you haven't replaced one...count yourself lucky. They are simple units in form and function...probably why it's lasted so long.
Very nicely done as always Chris.
He said at the end that most of the units have had the heat exchanger replaced and that it was a nightmare to get all the parts.
As someone who deals with mostly York in their area, yes, these sunline yorks suck BALLS to replace the heat exchanger.
Another awesome video man! Thank you for sharing!
I have 3 Yorks units on a building I work at . Plus I keep the fully cleaned, oiled, belts , coils cleaned, I also buy new replacement parts . I also listen to the units for any problems. I love your TH-cam channel I learned many things, on the different units you repair, Thanks
Calling that unit old is an understatement, it is very rusted. Suggesting it was either a cheaper model, or perhaps 80s. Either way, I'm unsure. However, I agree with the rest of the comments, this thing has lived its life and done well.
He said at the beginning it's from the 90's...
So it's 30+ years old and still working...sort of...
Bristol compressors with metal tags instead of stickers. 1994 at the latest.
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You're saying about the high subcool (always with the discharge), but I see the same on my 2-3 ton condensers, too. I'm used to seeing 20 to 30 degrees of subcool........but that's when I'm hitting the 100 to 105 ODT range. The condensers are from 2005 and 10 SEER. Eh? Fuck it. If it rejects heat, it rejects heat.
“Liked” comment, except for the SMUT.
Sadly most of the units I work on looks like those. We just have to bandaid them and move on. Very rarely will the customers accept our recommendations.
Preventative Maintenance is always Money well spent but those Paying your Bill don’t look at it the same way. Keep up the Strong 💪 Efforts servicing customers.👍
Was hoping I'd see one of these units in one of your videos. I have 2 of them on my building and it was built in the late 80s so I'm pretty sure they're original since we've been here since 94 and we've never replaced them. One of them finally needs to be replaced but the other unit works like a champ. I have a Rheem and Trane on another building, those are about 10 years old and have needed more work this this unit has since 94.
Great job Chris old units are good for business especially when customer want change them out. You know you will be working on them. it is what it is. lol
Great video. Thank you for sharing. Have a nice weekend
If you can't get any Electrical Conduit that will fit the space, try a piece of PEX water pipe...the 1/2" PEX pipe is big enough to take a single length of 14/2 ROMEX house wire so the individual wires for one of your Fan Motors will fit with room to spare with little to no chance of overheating the wires...that will keep the wires away from the blades as well as protect them from rubbing out on the fan grill...
Dang. The early 90’s in California. And u thought my 2005 mini split was impressive.
Chris, I noticed that the return air temperature was very low on the first unit that you checked vitals on. The condenser approach was also at 0. Is it possible that the unit was just underperforming due to the cold conditions it was running in? I believe that if you had a higher load both indoor and outdoor, we might see better performance. For the second unit, I believe it looked better because the outside air temp had risen to 70.
Corporations frequently have policies that require doing the same thing over and over again which in the long run costs more. There should be a spread sheet where it determines the time to replace rather then fix. Every motor or compressor has a mean time before failure. As you get close to that MTBF you schedule a replacement it should be on a calendar. This failed approach to management looses money.
I'm in the service electronic business. And you have to know when to chalk it up. What happens if you replace all those components and still don't get the results you want.? When things are really tired and beat down old The labor of basically doing a rebuild might come close to the cost of a new unit. And what about warranty.? You might have to tell the customer that you can't warrant the rest of the unit because it's old with aging components. Maybe one of those old compressors could easily just fail. Well...I'm sure I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know. You could possibly suggest a second opinion if you have another tech company that's honest. When these roof mounted heat stressed units get tired and beat down it's a crap shoot. as too how much life these dinosaur's have left in them.
I’ve been customers with rental properties and refused to work on old units with multiple issues and they don’t want to pay to replace them! I don’t want to assume responsibility for units I’ve never serviced in really bad condition
EMS System
Energy Management System System
A bit of RAS Syndrome 🤣
It's crazy how slow they look on video. Also it always looks like it runs backwards on video. Probably because some cameras run mirrored while others look normal.
You don’t seem to like older units, I would politely disagree with you, I find the older stuff is much better made maybe not as efficient but definitely more robust I try and repair whenever possible obviously it gets to a point where the units are rusted out and there isn’t a lot you can do about that but older stuff is definitely definitely much better
This intro just ain’t doing it for me😭
I like it
Those older units really out live the new units. Some the new units come flat or don’t even last a year before something major happens.
I use electrical conduit to protect the wires then zip tie it to the shroud.
I'll use a piece of 1/2 or 3/4 pvc for conduit on those Condenser Fan Motor electrical connections where you can't find it from the dealer. Raintight works good too.
Great idea
What iPad holder do you use, is it magnetic so you can stick it to the RTU?
Also, ugh sometimes I think we are actually professional turd polishers, not technicians.
I want the old intro back please 👉🏻👈🏻😌
Hey Chris , I thought R to Y1 should be 0v as t-stat switch is closed , Y1 To C(x) should have 24v…or is that just with residential , I’m not familiar with commercial, thanks a lot man.
What about the cooler you have in the van, is that also on TrueTechTools?
Yeti, I think you said anyway, what's your review?
Awesome videos!!
Hey Chris, I had a question. I’m about to swap a 15 ton package unit in a roof and I have never done it. Would it be possible to make a video describing what all goes into it? 👍👍
York rooftops heat exchangers are money I have a customer with a bar and instead of replacing the rtu they want me to keep installing more ductless splits
Am I wrong or did you start a more step by step process approach on your videos. I'm loving it!
You know what you could of done is the dead motor capacitor how 10uf and it good and replace the good motor but bad capacitor.
I hate the design of York equipment I find its difficult to work on for no reason especially their electrical sections , the newer large units have a much larger electrical section but the smaller ones (10t or less) are still brutal
A trick i do to remove really stuck fan blades off bad motors is cut the shaft and drill out the shaft, never couldn't get one off doing that hardest part is drilling the hole dead center of the shaft.
Maybe the customer hopes the contactors kill a compressor so they can convince corporate to buy replacements 😉
i mean if the unit is not discharging the heat at the condenser you wouldnt have a sub cooling not to high of a subcool so probably a restriction
Good video Chris. Most customers are usually happy with JUST getting it fixed. Like an old car, as long as it starts and runs, they don’t care about economy, emissions or whether it has satnav, as long as it gets them from a to b. Them old units still blowing cold ish air? Jobs a good one. All the best.
High superheat, high subcooling. I guess low mass flow through the metering device. High load with only moderate outdoor temp, plus some restriction.
120 nice and warm 🥵 uk so anything above 80 and i start to melt.😃
When using generic fan motors I like to use a piece of 3/4 pvc to run the wires through if there is no existing conduit. I normally fasten the pvc to the guard with zip ties, but even when those break off the pvc holds itself in place.
Those plastic insulators around the reversing wire terminals have a habit of cracking off in the sun and shorting out, especially on roofs with no tree cover.
York made good units and they seem to have stood the test of time. I think Ford used York compressors in their cars many years ago and I heard they could be rebuilt.
I like to use a small piece of liquid tight zip tied to the fan guard for the wires
how is the condensor fan motor suppose to run with no cap hooked up?
Yea the electrical section is usually about 5 to 6 inches at the most.
The intro music is from this music video.
ELFL - Zero Gravity
Shocked it wasn't due to low charge, that unit is beat to all hell but god damn it just wont quit
Jaw-dropping!!, you didn't reclaim and weigh in the charge. You're slacking!!
lol, Ill do it twice on the next one to make up for it
They would be better off fixing those if the parts were built the same.
Just to let you know, I hate remote EMS controls. No local control.
Boy, this brings back memories... The McDonald's I was a maintenance man at had these York units & every week I'd pull & clean the air filters (They had the type of air filters that were washable -- Just spray 'em down with degreasing solution, rinse 'em out, let 'em dry then put them back in) and clean the condenser coils. Every year we did PM on them where we'd take 'em apart, clean them out thoroughly & put them back together. If anything malfunctioned, we called in a local HVACR tech to fix it.
I see they added "stable volume" to video playback options. hopefully no more doing backflips over the chair when watching? 🤣
not so much here, but some across "the tube" have very extreme volume changes from quiet to blown out audio loud. lol
Thanks for that ‘tube trick. I hadn’t noticed it before your comment. Much appreciated. I agree: some vids have extreme amplitude swings! Not so much Chris’ posts. The only swings in his is pitch when he needs to talk over ambient noise of running units. No noticeable volume changes.
You have crazy electrical installations in the us. as a german electrical engineer, i only can shake my head....but it works - no more money for that old ladies, because they work...
Do you charge the customer travel time? Is there a distance where overtime is cheaper than a second trip charge? I know it gets hard to work overtime, and on the hottest days, nearly impossible. Or is it just some customer policies that they won't pay for overtime?
Ill see if I cant elaborate on that during my next live stream this coming Monday
If we could build equipment to last 30 years in the 1990s, todays stuff should last double that. Sadly the trend is opposite. Too many people have blinders on now, and replace working units all because of the green new scam. Great repairs Chris.. ❄️
Those units are going to be late 1990s....like 97 or 98. Do you have a serial number?
Add a little gas. Pressure a little low
Already has high subcooling. Liquid building up in the condenser.
The pistons like to plug up on those units
Y1 Wy isn't it cooling 👌 great words 👏
Just putting this out there for anyone starting in the business... Just because you turn off the disconnect switch DOES NOT MEAN you don't have power going to the unit. In my very green days, I turned off the disconnect thinking I was safe to work on the unit, but heard my schooling in my ear about "always check for power". I checked inside the unit just before I put my hands in there and had 460v. This was because the monkeys that were there before me straight bypassed the disconnect inside the disconnect switch. To say I was upset doesn't come near what I was feeling in that moment. Always check for power.
Hey there Chris!
Keep up the good work! I wanted to ask why you still use your smartphone to film? Why are you not using a GoPro(or another brand) with a belt from which you can film from you chest? Would be easier to work for you since you would have both hands free.
Just a suggestion, dont get me wrong. 😄
" Polishing a Turd" is a term you use with your clients or just with your fan base?
Just on the videos, the customers hear a more professional description
The main issue here is that you’re working on York brand equipment. I’ve always thought York was straight trash and a waste of money for anyone to purchase.
I hate dealing with ems
The man the legend
It's all about giving the customer the information so they can make an informed decision. And I hate that model of York. They've lived a great life time to go lol
why dose the spare belt not fly up into the blower? 13:49
The suction is not nearly that strong
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Thank you very much for the amazing videos. I love to watch them. Your channel is like a criminal TV show, and I always want to know "who" the "killer" is.
I have one question about capacitors for condenser motors. Seeing that this is a 3 phase unit, it wouldn't be better for the manufacturer to connect the motor as 3 phase. Then you will not need the capacitor. Also considering that the capacitor is next to the contactor, you don't save any cost on wires. Even with a capacitor it looks to me like it's more expensive.
Radek
PS: I know only 3 phase systems in Europe, don't know if it's similar in the US. 3 legs, each shifter by 120°.
Thats a good question, Ill see If I cant talk about that on my next live stream
I think it was jsut so the OEMS couls stock fewer motors using the smae ones for both singe phase home ACs and commeircal 3phase units and yes its dumb
HVACR: You should consider replacing it
Customer: So its dead
HVACR: Well no but...
Customer: So whats the issue
lol so many times I have had this conversation with a customer. Just recently I had a customer with an off brand "Xtreme" power supply that tested bad and was failing. Not only that but its capacitors were making a hissing sound as well as the fan bearings were going out making a grinding sound. I informed him of this and he responded with, "I have had it for 10 years, hasnt failed me yet but I take it to you and all the sudden there is a problem?" I so badly wanted to respond with "You know what, you are right, after 10 years, it has earned 17 more days of life...(PTO) you are good." lol
At some point all you're saving is the sheet metal because everything inside them needs to be replaced ... no real benefit to keep the old units going, unless maybe the new units have poor quality but I don't think that's the case.
You could actually use 1/2 inch electrical seal tite to replace the wire conduit going to the motor it is the same thing
Thanks for the sunday drops. Its my Monday and it makes work sooooo much better.
Thanks for watching
loving that intro music
Question on the other unit that you replaced the entire unit. Roughly how much total time was that job to swap out the entire unit with the crane?
Do not take in a negative way just commenting fore engagement and question. Started your video 5 minutes in I am thinking just replace all 4 fans before spending time to figure out what is wrong with them. Cheaper to replace cheap parts than spend the time figuring out why a rusty fan motor is not working properly.
Lol is that a serious comment? Replace all the fan motors rather than get your customer cooling from a possible bad capacitor? Could be bad fan cycling etc .
Most techs are like what you commented , and it keeps guys like us so busy
@@drewc7479 From what I saw in the video it took him about 30 seconds to figure out that the one with a quarter inch of play was bad. So he is already going to have to make a trip to the supply house and get new motors. Already going to have his tools out. If all 4 motors are about the same age why turn it in to 4 separate calls to replace one motor at a time. I am not the expert but if the capacitor goes bad it is a good indication that the motor is going bad also.
Before you reply that the supply house did not have 4 motors I did hear that and would have made his job easer if they had what he needed.
@@jonleiend1381 I've changed many capacitors in the past and never went back to replace the fan motor. I can see your point , but sometimes to a customer that doesn't seem logical and they just need what's not working to be fixed
You must have clicked out before the end of the video. The customer doesn't want to pay for the extra motors. He just follows the customer direction.
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I wonder if you could use plastic electrical conduit for those wires , just a thought. But hey if you don’t have any, wire ties work . Great video.
Yeah this time of year is tricky.. need an extra chiller during the day here.
I’ve worked on one of these before for PM work and on my last visit, on the blower wheel shaft, i spied grease zerts🧐. Never saw them before or was shown it has them.. just a quick eye out for the next one you come across
What’s the name of the song on your new intro?
Shoot me an email to remind me to look up the song name for you HVACRVIDEOS@GMAIL.COM
I’ve been customers with rental properties and refused to work on old units with multiple issues and they don’t want to pay to replace them! I don’t want to assume responsibility for units I’ve never serviced in really bad condition
Apart from being old, what was wrong with the units? You mentioned a few times it was junk (definitely looks it!) but what's actually wrong with it as it seems to be working?
I'm not in this field so just curious to learn and have been loving your videos for ages now. Thank you!
The coils on both units are deteriorating, making it harder to reject heat efficiently.
@@tavhigh ah gotcha. So I guess that the interface from the gas carrying tubes and the fins that provide surface area fails so heat doesn't get radiated as well? Fascinating stuff! Ty
What app is that that he uses when he gauges up?
The app is called MeasureQuick
Great video! I work on a lot of those same York units.
Thanks
I have actually gotten a condenser unit before and from the factory fan was wired incorrectly on a single phase unit 😮
go pro with a band, it can go over a hat for hands free work
Could have been a great trailer from 17:47 to 17:57
love your videos man, keep up the good work!
If there is no conduit left, I pull the condenser fan leads through 1/2" liquid tight and call it a day.
The real problem is York
Yeah and their tech support, you gotta go through loopholes to get a representative
What's the name of the song in the beginning I like it
UNIT'S = UNIT IS.
I noticed on that first unit you had a 61 degree liquid line . Wonder if you had a restricted drier
Good video nonetheless, I’m ready for the season