exceptional video jack, been a while since I have gotten so many different things out a single source, normally you have to cut through piles of stuff to find one piece of gold. Much appreciated, you changed the way I think about the recovery today, and the analogies for the backing it in work better than the ones I am used to
The tap down at the finish and the high feathering was introduced by Martin McElroy in the 2000 GB VIII which won gold in Sydney, a crew written off in favour of the IV. It is nice to see it has survived for 24 years. A close examination of all of the crews in the Paris VIII finals does not disclose any backslash, in particular the GB VIII. The low rate backsplash exercise does prevent the driving hard catch so beloved of Groebler,and promotes a very measured stroke. This is the one characteristic of the GB crew that stands out in the final, that sets them apart. The catch, fast and without backslash is relatively soft, relaxed and loose promoting their fantastic acceleration mid stroke. It would be good to get in depth analysis instead on concentrating on surface phenomena. It seems Husserl is alive and well.
Type in "men's eight paris 2024 " watch the eurosport video, watch 5:32 - the only close up of their blades, there is backsplash. No, it is not as pronounced as it is at low rate, but it is there.
The way I think about the catch is just letting the blade drop under its own weight. That creates both the speed and the looseness. The impressive thing about that clip is the lack of stern dip. The boat is stable front to rear, despite the weight transfer. Very impressive.
Hi Jack- Thanks for the analysis. Years ago I had Kris Korzeniowski (our old US Olympic Coach and very savvy technical coach) tell me upon watching the 2018 Worlds that the eights in the final had "no backsplash", with all due respect to a great coach- of course they did. Spracklen when he was coaching here in the US- prescribed the optimum catch as "even splash....a bit of back, a bit of front". I'm watching the Paris 8+ Final and all crews have some form of backsplash- GB just a bit more pronounced. So- absolutely agree with you and with a proper, direct catch at 40+ spm, solid crews will have some form of backsplash, or else they'll be missing some degree of water at the catch. Thanks Again!!!
Hey - that was me commenting about backsplash! I wondered if you’d mention it…the low rate paddling here is different from the Olympic final race and all I’ll say is that I believe the concept needs more analysis. Really enjoy your videos, and I totally agree about feathering high and preparing early for the catch.
Yeah fair enough. In the same way I see backsplash in this lower rate stuff, I see the exact same backsplash when they rate high. I see a splash behind the back of the blade at the catch. For me, that is backsplash.
I love this as a great follow up to your breakdown of Ziedler's technique improvement from 2021 to 2024. This was a big struggle for me especially when sculling. I think the Dutch rowers are great at this too and something, I think, was visibly missing in the US eight on both the Men and Women's side.
I would agree! Which is interesting, because its the former dutch coach heading the US now isnt it. The US crews didnt look as connected, and imo that is because of their blade work.
Blades high off the water doesn’t make the boat more unstable. Blades higher off the water simply exposes lack of balance because the boat can roll further before the blades hit the water.
There are number of reason why blades close to the water are comfortable (but problematic, as you explain): (1) when the water is still, the airflow between water and blade stabilises the blade (2) when the boat rolls, the blades that come up create a strong counter force (3) psychological.- safety wheels. To still get the benefit of (1), you want the shaft to be carried almost parallel to the water but not exactly - such that this self-righting moment still exists.
you talk alot about the looseness of the rowers bodies, what is the easiest way to see this and what are the ways to get the rowers to do other things?
Its often to good to get people to relax before the boat is moving, or even, before they get in the boat, get them to think about as if they are lying in bed or on the couch and are trying to fall asleep. Then ask them to get more relaxed. Then ask them to ingrain what this relaxed feeling feels like, and take it with them when they go into the boat. Pausing drills can be a good chance to reset on the pause, and bring back in the relaxation they felt on land or when the boat was still. A big thing is the consciousness of it. And being able to stay focused and aware of what they are doing with their body, while they are dealing with trying to row fast on a one-foot wide carbon fibre racing shell.
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exceptional video jack, been a while since I have gotten so many different things out a single source, normally you have to cut through piles of stuff to find one piece of gold. Much appreciated, you changed the way I think about the recovery today, and the analogies for the backing it in work better than the ones I am used to
Thanks for commenting and glad it was helpful, more to come!
The tap down at the finish and the high feathering was introduced by Martin McElroy in the 2000 GB VIII which won gold in Sydney, a crew written off in favour of the IV. It is nice to see it has survived for 24 years.
A close examination of all of the crews in the Paris VIII finals does not disclose any backslash, in particular the GB VIII. The low rate backsplash exercise does prevent the driving hard catch so beloved of Groebler,and promotes a very measured stroke. This is the one characteristic of the GB crew that stands out in the final, that sets them apart. The catch, fast and without backslash is relatively soft, relaxed and loose promoting their fantastic acceleration mid stroke.
It would be good to get in depth analysis instead on concentrating on surface phenomena. It seems Husserl is alive and well.
Type in "men's eight paris 2024 " watch the eurosport video, watch 5:32 - the only close up of their blades, there is backsplash.
No, it is not as pronounced as it is at low rate, but it is there.
Thanks dawg, love the advice!
The way I think about the catch is just letting the blade drop under its own weight. That creates both the speed and the looseness.
The impressive thing about that clip is the lack of stern dip. The boat is stable front to rear, despite the weight transfer. Very impressive.
Thanks for this great video Jack!
Hi Jack- Thanks for the analysis. Years ago I had Kris Korzeniowski (our old US Olympic Coach and very savvy technical coach) tell me upon watching the 2018 Worlds that the eights in the final had "no backsplash", with all due respect to a great coach- of course they did. Spracklen when he was coaching here in the US- prescribed the optimum catch as "even splash....a bit of back, a bit of front". I'm watching the Paris 8+ Final and all crews have some form of backsplash- GB just a bit more pronounced. So- absolutely agree with you and with a proper, direct catch at 40+ spm, solid crews will have some form of backsplash, or else they'll be missing some degree of water at the catch. Thanks Again!!!
Hey - that was me commenting about backsplash! I wondered if you’d mention it…the low rate paddling here is different from the Olympic final race and all I’ll say is that I believe the concept needs more analysis. Really enjoy your videos, and I totally agree about feathering high and preparing early for the catch.
Yeah fair enough. In the same way I see backsplash in this lower rate stuff, I see the exact same backsplash when they rate high. I see a splash behind the back of the blade at the catch. For me, that is backsplash.
@@JackBurnsEdgeRowing the footage of the Olympic final is interesting in this regard.
I love this as a great follow up to your breakdown of Ziedler's technique improvement from 2021 to 2024. This was a big struggle for me especially when sculling. I think the Dutch rowers are great at this too and something, I think, was visibly missing in the US eight on both the Men and Women's side.
I would agree! Which is interesting, because its the former dutch coach heading the US now isnt it. The US crews didnt look as connected, and imo that is because of their blade work.
Back the blade! This video was very helpful and cracked me up!😂😂😂
Blades high off the water doesn’t make the boat more unstable. Blades higher off the water simply exposes lack of balance because the boat can roll further before the blades hit the water.
There are number of reason why blades close to the water are comfortable (but problematic, as you explain): (1) when the water is still, the airflow between water and blade stabilises the blade (2) when the boat rolls, the blades that come up create a strong counter force (3) psychological.- safety wheels. To still get the benefit of (1), you want the shaft to be carried almost parallel to the water but not exactly - such that this self-righting moment still exists.
What are you using to draw over the video?
(Hugh Grant could've done this inarticulateness equally well.) Tap down! In the moment! Who'd a thunk it!?
you talk alot about the looseness of the rowers bodies, what is the easiest way to see this and what are the ways to get the rowers to do other things?
Its often to good to get people to relax before the boat is moving, or even, before they get in the boat, get them to think about as if they are lying in bed or on the couch and are trying to fall asleep. Then ask them to get more relaxed. Then ask them to ingrain what this relaxed feeling feels like, and take it with them when they go into the boat. Pausing drills can be a good chance to reset on the pause, and bring back in the relaxation they felt on land or when the boat was still.
A big thing is the consciousness of it. And being able to stay focused and aware of what they are doing with their body, while they are dealing with trying to row fast on a one-foot wide carbon fibre racing shell.
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Please don’t add lib. Write a script and follow it. This video could probably been only 5 minutes and not been any less informative.
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@@JackBurnsEdgeRowing please consider adding subway surfer footage so that @dermotbalaam5358 can stay engaged for longer than 5 minutes