I love how you explain things so clearly and cheerfully! Also, that compilation was so satisfying. Lions Gate Chorus watched this in our Friday "lunchtime learning" session the other week!
Oh this was such a great explanation! Especially with consideration to “letting it ring clearly.” Which connects the scientific/mathematical structure of western music vs. reality… thank you!
WOW!!! I have never understood over/under tones till today!! I love following your channel. Your energy, examples, practice suggestions and explanations are so stimulating and enjoyable. BRAVA!
Kathleen, thanks for another awesome instructional video! You provide us so much useful, practical knowledge in a clear and fun package. Can't wait for more!
Fantastic explanations with great examples. Love that all the videos are barbershop groups. Maximizing that expansion by taking advantage of the overtone series is one of the hallmarks of the style and the reason why many are addicted to the sound. You rarely get that precision in other a cappella styles not to mention the great compromise of untuning struck with Equal Temperament
I absolutely love your explanations and descriptions! And, as an aside, the resonance of your speaking voice is so great. You were born to do these TH-cam tutorials/info.
Love the examples of overtones and undertones. I only started singing in a Barbershop choir early this year (thankfully they now include women) and find the harmonies absolutely amazing.
Hi - i've realized that on the Schubert video I link in my comment below, at 2:48 you can also hear that overtone but less clearly than at 2:54. Please do tell me whether you agree it's an overtone that I have spotted!!! Actually you hear them all around the two time marks I have given!
I've tried explaining this to a number of people - friends, family, others - with varying degrees of success, but your explanation with great examples is very good! Thank you!
I enjoy music but not learning stuff in it coz it's highly technical and somewhat boring but you made me listen with excitement because you share with so much enthusiasm making learning music similar to an easter egg hunt where it becomes a journey of discovery than simply being forced to understand things. Thank you!
Wow, I've always wondered what people mean when they speak about overtones, and I've never known what to listen out for. This blew my mind. Now whenever I hear an overtone, I instantly get chills.
See full performances of the examples here! The Vagrants: th-cam.com/video/CdnTKH6kJDI/w-d-xo.html Scottsdale Chorus: th-cam.com/video/byPx8FHMt0A/w-d-xo.html After Hours: th-cam.com/video/Sk7KeG1WYf8/w-d-xo.html Main Street: th-cam.com/video/pkmkoX5ptGQ/w-d-xo.html
So the vndertones,... are they pſycological oꝛ are they the reſult of ſinging in tune like the ouertones, oꝛ are they the reſult of a vocal technique perfoꝛmed by the baſſe ſinger ?
Madam how vocal folds vibrate at multiple frequencies at the same time. How its possible , fundamental vibration and series of harmonics simultaneously by vocal folds ???
@@VocalWarmupsWithKathleen Madam acceptable 🙏🙏 But all said that harmonics means fundamental vibration and series of higher frequencies( noticable in spectrogram) are produced by the vocal folds and vocal tract acts as resonator means amplifier, but I'm unable to imagine how the vocal folds vibrate differently at a time. *# So you're saying harmonics and overtones are produced by the vocal tract which amplifies also. And definitely not by vocal folds right. Thank you so much mam 🙏.
Are you saying that when you play just that first C, all those upper notes come within it? If that's the case, what's the formula of those overtone series?
Yes! Short of the "perfect sine wave", playing or singing a C will include the other tones. The actual formula is pretty easy. f is the fundamental tone (the sung or played tone). Let's take A 440 for example. 1xf = 440Hz = fundamental, 2xf = 880 = first overtone, 3xf = 1320 = second overtone, 4xf = 1760 = 3rd overtone and so on!
hi - what great video! Thank you so much! I have found what I think might be an overtone - it's at 2:54 on Schubert's d 946 no2 played by Katsaris. I have another CD of d946 no 2 played by a different pianist and the same thing (if I remember rightly) happens. Please tell me if you agree with me. Here it is (after the link I give you also a link to an essay I have just found on Schubert's use of overtones in his d959 sonata): th-cam.com/video/HcxGGyB0xZk/w-d-xo.html and here is that essay: www.esm.rochester.edu/integral/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/INTEGRAL_7_hatten.pdf
4:45 warning, this just broke one of my headphones the pitch is very high so probably play on speakers, thank you for the vid but also no thanks for my headphones ;(
@@VocalWarmupsWithKathleen yeah your rig, might need that upgrade, luckily the airpods work so yeah, thank you for the video though needed to describe overtones
Undertones are not like overtones. Overtones are real physical components of natural (i.e., non-sinusoidal) signals. Every natural sound has overtones, and they can be seen on a spectrum analyzer, as you showed. You can use Fourier series to show this mathematically. Undertones are the result of the auditory system's non-linearity. The auditory system is logarithmic, not linear, and so causes product detection. Undertones are the difference frequencies between the actual frequencies. For example, using made up numbers to make the math easier, if we have a note at 200 Hz and another note a fifth above it at 300 Hz, the logarithmic response of the auditory system produces a difference frequency of 100 Hz, which is an octave below the 200 Hz note. This is what was happening with the quartet. If you play the sound into a spectrum analyzer, there will be nothing (or almost nothing) at the low frequency. Anything showing there is the result of non-linearities in the system. When I was nine years old, I discovered I could play my recorder and my flutaphone at the same time. I wrote a piece that had the two in harmony, and had the difference frequency be the bass note of each chord. I had to pick the notes carefully to do this, so it wasn't a great piece, but it demonstrated the principle.
@@VocalWarmupsWithKathleen Yes, but you are so good at explaining things, taking complicated concepts and making them comprehensible, I thought you might address this at some point. Thanks for your reply, and your great videos.
Check out my mobile app for warmups on the go! No commercials, and you can download your favorites for offline use. www.warmupswithkathleen.com
Great explanation and examples!
Glad you think so!
I love how you explain things so clearly and cheerfully! Also, that compilation was so satisfying. Lions Gate Chorus watched this in our Friday "lunchtime learning" session the other week!
Best explanation of Overtones 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Oh this was such a great explanation! Especially with consideration to “letting it ring clearly.” Which connects the scientific/mathematical structure of western music vs. reality… thank you!
Glad you liked it!
I LOVE this! Thank you for sharing, Kathleen!
Thank you so much! I have never had anyone explain Overtones to me in a way that I could understand!
Glad to hear you enjoyed it!
WOW!!! I have never understood over/under tones till today!! I love following your channel. Your energy, examples, practice suggestions and explanations are so stimulating and enjoyable. BRAVA!
Glad you’re enjoying my videos!
I was studying sound waves in Physics and had the curiosity of how the overtones actually sound... Thank you very much this does clear some doubts
Glad to hear it!
Super informative and clearly communicated. Excellent demonstrations and video composition. I found it elucidating and very helpful. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video Kathleen! Looking forward to the next one!!!
Kathleen, thanks for another awesome instructional video! You provide us so much useful, practical knowledge in a clear and fun package. Can't wait for more!
incredible, my mind is shattered to pieces. the examples you used were very well explained and well chosen
Glad you enjoyed it!
My favorite part of this is how much you obviously enjoy this phenomenon (as soon do a lot of us!). Thanks for a very informative explanation of this.
Tim Fagan :)
Fantastic explanations with great examples. Love that all the videos are barbershop groups. Maximizing that expansion by taking advantage of the overtone series is one of the hallmarks of the style and the reason why many are addicted to the sound. You rarely get that precision in other a cappella styles not to mention the great compromise of untuning struck with Equal Temperament
This is great Kathleen, thank you for doing this!
I was so excited to hear this one! Now I can definitely hear overtones, before I just wasn’t sure. THANK YOU Kathleen!
LOVE this video. Thanks for the whole series.
VERY well done. Great examples and execution.
Thanks!
I absolutely love your explanations and descriptions! And, as an aside, the resonance of your speaking voice is so great. You were born to do these TH-cam tutorials/info.
Victoria Elliott thanks! :)
Great session!
Love the examples of overtones and undertones. I only started singing in a Barbershop choir early this year (thankfully they now include women) and find the harmonies absolutely amazing.
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This channel is so underrated. You explained everything super clear and easy to understand. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Great video and so well explained! Thank you!!
Oh wow. Thank you for this. I'm not sure why I couldn't get it before but it's awesome to hear them now!
Glad to hear it!
That last one hit hard, insane chills
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Fabulous video. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
Hi - i've realized that on the Schubert video I link in my comment below, at 2:48 you can also hear that overtone but less clearly than at 2:54. Please do tell me whether you agree it's an overtone that I have spotted!!! Actually you hear them all around the two time marks I have given!
🎵
I recorded a trio on euphonium a month ago. I hear a high Ab and I'm like "I didn't play that," Now I know.
Cool!
I've tried explaining this to a number of people - friends, family, others - with varying degrees of success, but your explanation with great examples is very good! Thank you!
I enjoy music but not learning stuff in it coz it's highly technical and somewhat boring but you made me listen with excitement because you share with so much enthusiasm making learning music similar to an easter egg hunt where it becomes a journey of discovery than simply being forced to understand things. Thank you!
Awesome! You're welcome =)
Could you send me a link of the piece at 5:48?
Hi there! Unfortunately, that was an audio clip that was sent to me, so I don't have a link. The rest of them are in the "about" section!
Wow, I've always wondered what people mean when they speak about overtones, and I've never known what to listen out for. This blew my mind. Now whenever I hear an overtone, I instantly get chills.
This is so cool I always thought those notes were being played/sung.
Glad to hear it!
This was so good ,t ahnk you, you're a fantastic teacher. x
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow so cool!!! My six sisters and I sing together just for fun and family but we never knew this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Pure wizardry! Why am I up at 12:40am simply amazed by my new discovery of undertones/overtones.
Love this! ❤️
So glad!
Fantastic! I have shared this on facebook. Can I tag you on there too?
Andrew Grieve thanks! You bet :)
You’re amazing thanks soo much
Happy to help!
Hi! What was the second example? The chorus?
See full performances of the examples here!
The Vagrants: th-cam.com/video/CdnTKH6kJDI/w-d-xo.html
Scottsdale Chorus: th-cam.com/video/byPx8FHMt0A/w-d-xo.html
After Hours: th-cam.com/video/Sk7KeG1WYf8/w-d-xo.html
Main Street: th-cam.com/video/pkmkoX5ptGQ/w-d-xo.html
Awesome! May i know what is the name of the tuner app you are using to all also see the other overtones? Thanks in advance!
The tuner app is Tonal Energy Tuner. I also find spectrogram apps useful - SpectrumView is a good one!
I just have to say this made me so joyful I cried.
Love that! 😍
So the vndertones,... are they pſycological oꝛ are they the reſult of ſinging in tune like the ouertones, oꝛ are they the reſult of a vocal technique perfoꝛmed by the baſſe ſinger ?
Undertones are quite complex, indeed! I know I skip over them in the video, but it would be big topic to cover! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undertone_series
Holy cow. I never knew. Mind. Blown.
That is so frickin cool especially when you realize nobody is singing those notes :))
Isn't it? =)
Madam how vocal folds vibrate at multiple frequencies at the same time.
How its possible , fundamental vibration and series of harmonics simultaneously by vocal folds ???
Vocal folds are complex, but they only produce the fundamental. The overtones are reinforced by the rest of the vocal tract.
@@VocalWarmupsWithKathleen
Madam acceptable 🙏🙏
But all said that harmonics means fundamental vibration and series of higher frequencies( noticable in spectrogram) are produced by the vocal folds and vocal tract acts as resonator means amplifier, but I'm unable to imagine how the vocal folds vibrate differently at a time.
*# So you're saying harmonics and overtones are produced by the vocal tract which amplifies also. And definitely not by vocal folds right. Thank you so much mam 🙏.
If the vocal folds vibrate at fundamental vibration, then where do all harmonics come from???
Madam pls clarify
That made it clear, thank you :)
Glad to hear it!
Are you saying that when you play just that first C, all those upper notes come within it? If that's the case, what's the formula of those overtone series?
Yes! Short of the "perfect sine wave", playing or singing a C will include the other tones. The actual formula is pretty easy. f is the fundamental tone (the sung or played tone). Let's take A 440 for example. 1xf = 440Hz = fundamental, 2xf = 880 = first overtone, 3xf = 1320 = second overtone, 4xf = 1760 = 3rd overtone and so on!
@@kathleenhansen8481 you took me way far in the past. Thanks!
I was hoping for Max Q's overtone on their song "Put your arms around me honey" clearly there was a screaming overtone on the tag.
TransFormersPrime09 Maybe I’ll have to make another compilation video!
04:27 examples
Thank you
UNDERTONES BECAUSE MYRON IS AWESOME!!
Grumpy Old Man yesssss
get that piano tuned ?
In the middle of a pandemic? Nope! ... we'll deal with it being out of tune for a while =)
5:20
Dundalk is pronounced "done-dahk" by its residents! The "dahk" is like a Boston accented "dark". =)
Thank you so much!
hi! Here is another at a DIFFERENT place in the piece by a DIFFERENT pianist - at 3:14 if I am not mistaken: th-cam.com/video/YHnNxE1msIg/w-d-xo.html
Neat! Overtones are *everywhere*!
I wish it were possible to like a video more than once.
So kind, thanks =)
hi - what great video! Thank you so much! I have found what I think might be an overtone - it's at 2:54 on Schubert's d 946 no2 played by Katsaris. I have another CD of d946 no 2 played by a different pianist and the same thing (if I remember rightly) happens. Please tell me if you agree with me. Here it is (after the link I give you also a link to an essay I have just found on Schubert's use of overtones in his d959 sonata): th-cam.com/video/HcxGGyB0xZk/w-d-xo.html
and here is that essay: www.esm.rochester.edu/integral/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/INTEGRAL_7_hatten.pdf
cool =)
her face looks like disney character... super cool
Here is an amazing overtone th-cam.com/video/NwbiaqLb-O4/w-d-xo.html and here is an undertone th-cam.com/video/KaFxWmp7d2w/w-d-xo.html
4:45 warning, this just broke one of my headphones the pitch is very high so probably play on speakers, thank you for the vid but also no thanks for my headphones ;(
Is this where I say sorry/not sorry? ;-) Condolences on the headphones. Sounds like it was time for an upgrade anyway!
@@VocalWarmupsWithKathleen yeah your rig, might need that upgrade, luckily the airpods work so yeah, thank you for the video though needed to describe overtones
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=)
Undertones are not like overtones. Overtones are real physical components of natural (i.e., non-sinusoidal) signals. Every natural sound has overtones, and they can be seen on a spectrum analyzer, as you showed. You can use Fourier series to show this mathematically.
Undertones are the result of the auditory system's non-linearity. The auditory system is logarithmic, not linear, and so causes product detection. Undertones are the difference frequencies between the actual frequencies. For example, using made up numbers to make the math easier, if we have a note at 200 Hz and another note a fifth above it at 300 Hz, the logarithmic response of the auditory system produces a difference frequency of 100 Hz, which is an octave below the 200 Hz note. This is what was happening with the quartet. If you play the sound into a spectrum analyzer, there will be nothing (or almost nothing) at the low frequency. Anything showing there is the result of non-linearities in the system.
When I was nine years old, I discovered I could play my recorder and my flutaphone at the same time. I wrote a piece that had the two in harmony, and had the difference frequency be the bass note of each chord. I had to pick the notes carefully to do this, so it wasn't a great piece, but it demonstrated the principle.
Yay, physics! Always thought there would be a use for the lessons in Fourier transforms!
Frank Kirschner yes, all of this, and Fourier transform... but all of that is a wee bit beyond the material of the video :)
@@VocalWarmupsWithKathleen Yes, but you are so good at explaining things, taking complicated concepts and making them comprehensible, I thought you might address this at some point.
Thanks for your reply, and your great videos.
Well how cool is that!!! Thanks for the added insight!
is everyone in the comments pretending to hear what she's talking about or?
How can you not hear them??
@@samuelskeete2629 hear what? you on shrooms?
What. Gender. Are. You.