Catholic Teaching on Suicide and Euthanasia
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- SOCIAL MEDIA:
Newsletter: breakingintheh...
Facebook: goo.gl/UoeKWy
Twitter: goo.gl/oQs6ck
Instagram: goo.gl/ShMbhH
Podcast: goo.gl/xqkssG
INTERESTED IN BECOMING A FRIAR?
Holy Name Province: goo.gl/MXKb2R
Find your Vocation Director: goo.gl/2Jc52z
SUPPORT THE MISSION
Order my books: amzn.to/386QDpR
Donate Monthly: goo.gl/UrrwNC
One-time gifts: goo.gl/eKnFJN
MUSIC
Epidemicsound.com
As someone with bipolar, and who has had those intrusive thoughts, my faith is a big part of why I hold on.
I , also bipolar, struggled with suicidal thoughts for many years. Now on good med regimen, see therapist and spend as much time as I can with Jesus. Suicidal thoughts are gone. I always pray for those who feel hopeless, that they will hang on until their guardian Angel brings help. Keep the faith, keep praying and keep holding on to Jesus.
I suffer from clinical depression and since returning to the church I’ve noticed I hardly ever have these intrusive thoughts anymore
I got married this past June 24th, about 1 week later we received a call saying that my sister made an attempt and they were not able to revive her. She also struggled with bi-polar disorder.The funeral is tomorrow. Please keep her in prayer, her name is Riana Marcelino
@@wisdom-seeker4526 I am so sorry for your loss. I am in training to become a group facilitator for those who suffer from bipolar. I give you my word that I will do whatever I am able to, to prevent this sort of ending. The pain does not end, its just pushed onto people whom love you. I pray that you and your family find peace.
Same. Faith, loved ones, and the desire to raise a family someday.
Many years ago, before the Church formally accepted it, my favorite priest said that he believed that anyone who wanted to end their own life was suffering so much that they were not mentally well, and that being sick is not sinful. He said those people and their loved ones deserved mercy and support, not shame and condemnation.
God knows what’s in our hearts, and even though He gives us strength, I believe He will be merciful to the ones of who, for whatever reason, just aren’t strong enough to endure.
This was such a great comfort to me. Fourteen years ago, at the young age of 13 my son tried to end his life. Thankfully, he was unsuccessful. As a matter of grave sin, however, he confessed this and the priest recommended counseling which we were already pursuing. Never take any warning signs for granted in your loved ones! I am so glad the Church now looks upon suicide with compassion.
Praying for anyone suffering
Thank you for talking about this, I'll admit I thought the old stance on suicide was still offically taught and I appreciate the clarification!
Fantastic video. M*rder is a grave sin, whether to self or others. AND culpability is a huge factor in sin. Mental illness can lower your culpability. As someone who has suffered severe mental illness, I've attempted twice, as a Christian, and while I see where I went wrong (not taking care of myself and recognizing the queues of going into a psychotic or severe depressive episode, not repenting of despairing about God's sufficiency, not seeking support when I felt myself losing my will, taking substances that interfere with my control, etc) I had nearly no control once I got to that point. I had insufficient medical treatment and did not reach out for help. I did not have full consent or knowledge of what I was doing. I thank God that He protected my life and I know now that hurting myself in any capacity is an act against my Lord, and I also know He has great mercy for me. He cares for my mind and does not condemn me for my suffering. I will continue to denounce despair and allow God into my pain, entrusting myself to His care, and when I feel I can't, I pray for the intercession of the Saints and the protection of my guardian angel, that they would keep me from harm and that I would be willing to reach out for support, whether medical or relational.
God loves you. I also love your honesty 😊
I’ve never had a personal issue with mental illness, but I’m not exaggerating when I say my life was changed when a priest said to me, “Dying of mental illness should be viewed by the living as no different than dying of physical illness. We may grieve, and we may pray that they are at peace with Jesus in Heaven.” That opened my eyes and heart when I heard that. My prayers changed, and I became much more compassionate towards my friends and loved ones.
Yes, it should be as you said. But what comes into my mind is the thought that the notion of mental illness only exists since, let's say, maybe 150 years ago or a bit more. Of course, the Greek doctor Hippocratus saw mental illness as physical disorder some 400 years B.C. But I think that many priests of today - maybe not Father Cole here - would have labeled mentally ill people as demonic if they had lived in the Middle Ages and thus that they diserve to be burned at steak. As a curiosity, I read it somewhere, is that the most current miracle performed by Jesus in the New Testament is the chasing away of the demons. I personally think that some of these poor people only needed some pills that - thanks to science - we have available today.
I love this channel. It has been so helpful as someone learning about the Catholic Church. Thank you.
I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been shamed by others in the Catholic community because of misunderstandings of church teachings and mental health as a whole. When I felt suicidal, I was overwhelmed and listened more to my emotions the what others told me to be true. Because of that, I’ve been looking into bringing a mental health ministry from my diocese into my parish. This kind of information isn’t easily accessible for some, so they don’t know how to approach those who are struggling. Thank you for this video! I’ll have to save it for when the ministry gets going.
Please talk to me.
Thank you, Fr. Casey. As usual, you have hit the ball out of the park. I thank God for my Catholic Faith which has taught me the value of redemptive suffering. Sadly, I have had a few people close to me die by suicide. Thankfully, God's mercy and forgiveness are boundless. I have hope that I will be reunited to them someday in God's Presence.
I'm glad you talked about this. Many do not realize this teaching from the church, especially due to its history. My brother killed himself and that was one reason I began a journey that led me to becoming Catholic.
My husband died in January. He had an incurable illness and before we even knew about it, he always said if something bad happened to him, he would end his own life. God was good, because after the diagnosis and till his very last breath he fought hard for his life. I'm thankful he never decided to opt for eutanasia, even when some of his family members were considering the option when he could no longer decide for himself. His sister was his legal tutor, and despite being an atheist she said doing so would be murdering her brother, so she refused. I could see the hand of God in that moment and it gave me some peace, despite the pain I was going through. It was a couple of hard years, in which I saw him dying little by little. I even started contemplating the idea of ending my own life, because I couldn't handle the pain anymore. Luckily, I found help on time (spiritual, medical and psychological) and today, despite feeling sad because of his passing, I feel strong enough to continue living and to be willing to help others going through the same.
As someone who works with suicidal teens on a daily basis, thank you for this video! More need to hear this stuff!
Oh, this should be pretty powerful and a good one.
As someone with whom suffered the consequences of having a love one pass away due to this evil, me and my family often pray and entrust her soul to God mercy.
I experienced severe depression and suicidal thoughts from undiagnosed adhd. I was better after treatment but still super insecure about how people think of me. I turned to God by opening a random page in my bible to Isaiah 44, and thanks to God, I felt loved. The Lord is Great, and he is One.
Thank you Father Casey for addressing this most touchy of subjects. In a world that seems increasingly plagued by mental illness, we need to hear nuanced and sensitive presentations like this, which reveal the *ACTUAL* Catholic teaching on the subject, verses the caricature of the Catholic Church's stance on suicide that most people think is true. The distinction you make here, between actively causing a death, which is a sin vs. not doing everything possible to sustain a life, which is not sinful, is crucial and comforting. As someone whose father signed a do not resuscitate (DNR) order, after suffering enormously near the end of this life, it is quite edifying to know that my deeply devout Catholic father did not not violate his faith when asking for this.
AS the brother of someone who committed suicide I concur with what you said. Let us pray for all those contemplating taking their own lives.
I am a person whom work's, in my local hospital; 'Behavioral Health Department.' We discourage ALL suicidal behavior. Seek help, treatment, counseling hopefully. and recovery. Thank you! Father Cassy, for bringing this too light. This is my vocation in life. To bring back soul's, being tormented, by the 'Evil one.' via suicide/addiction. "We Adore You oh Christ and praise You, because by Your Holy Cross. You have redeemed this world".
I researched this when a loved one was never going to recover from their injuries and couldn't speak for themselves. I made sure that he was fed, watered and cared for but removed life prolonging treatments. I think it is important to make sure hospitals and carers know that they must continue to feed, hydrate and care for the dying patient.
My daughter was a fan of yours when she was alive. I lost my 13 year old girl, Michel Lim Min En on 15 January 2024. She was doing well in school and succeeded in so many things. On 15 January 2024, she set her alarm clock at 2am, flicker the torch light at 2.30am and 3.30am giving a new meaning to our Hail Mary prayer, wearing a black mask, black socks, black jacket, grey shirt and black pants, carrying a decathlon bag filled with wallet and EZ-Link card, rafia strings, her journal that says ‘adventure awaits’, winter mittens, etc. and climbed (jumped?) out of our 12 floor service balcony. She was found at the ground floor dead, in the sleeping Saint Joseph position with little physical injuries (mostly internal - multiple injuries was the cause of death), bleeding from her mouth. The night before I had a prompting of the Holy Spirit but thought nothing of it and went to bed. I failed my child in so many ways. Pleading for the mercy of Jesus on her soul! We pray the Rosary and the deliverance prayer of Father Chad every night.
I'm so sorry for your loss!! Remember that God is merciful, and Jesus said 'Blessed are the poor in spirit'. I have said a prayer for you and your family, and for the soul of your daughter. I also don't believe that God would automatically send to hell all those who commit such acts of desperation, when the attacks of satan feel insurmountable. God is loving and not cruel! Stay strong, brother/sister in Christ
@@MrOhWhatTheHeckThank You for the much needed prayers and we are praying so hard too that my dear daughter is in heaven and if not, at least in purgatory. Blessings be upon you and your family! Amen.
My son, aged 17 took his life on a train track last year. Wasn’t even able to view his body. Some people were judgemental about his actions, calling him selfish. I pray for him every day. I will pray for your daughter too. God bless.
Only we as parents know how painful it is to go through this. We can only pray that God in his mercy, will grant them kind admittance to heaven and they will no longer be suffering. Praying for you and your family!
GOD bless their souls and your families (@MSatSG and@@Mel-q5n5j). Will pray for all of you. The Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord. 🙏
Thanks Father, I struggled with Suicide for a long time
I thought my purpose in life was to make my mother happy (she’s been through a lot of unfair circumstances and still manages to be one of the hardest workers I know). I’ve always planned on committing suicide after she passed on…
Then God had to come in my life and it kind of messed up my plan to commit suicide… I came to the realization that it’s not my right to decide when to end my life, but to allow it to occur when God decides to call me home… It felt both freeing and like a burden at the same time. I am so grateful to have been brought back into a relationship with Jesus Christ as a disciple after that day on Dec. 28, 2022… At the same time it hasn’t always been easy or clear in trying to navigate how to best live my life to bring honor, glory, and love to Him. Sometimes it felt like the play “Waiting on Godot.” Yet, I think God gave us His only begotten Son so we could create in our own lives and use our relationship with Jesus Christ as a guideline and boundaries in what we’re allowed to create, take action, or be in the world.
Idk please pray for my healing and that I best serve God while on earth to anyone that read this far. 🙏✝️ 🕊️
Brent, I'm grateful to you for sharing your story. May God continue to bless you.
Brent, I'm praying for you and will pray for you. May you find the healing path you're searching for - much love.
I'm glad you did this.
I have a family member whose parent took their own life. A nun at their school told that member that their parent was condemned, which pushed that family member into atheism and drugs
I educated that family member that their parent, an alcoholic with severe medical conditions and mental health issues, did not have full understanding of their act and definitely didn't have the will, so may not be in hell.
That family member didn't say much, but the look on their face showed it helped. I still hope they return to church and will keep trying
Prayers for AJ and Mr. Myers
❤❤❤
How fortunate you are! You have received such a strong vocation at such a young age! God be blessed. Thank you for your teaching!
My son committed suicide last year, aged 17. He had disabilities and health issues and told me he felt like a burden. I pray for him all the time. Some Christians say there is no point praying for the dead, because they can no longer repent. But I still pray for him and that God will have mercy on him.
Thank you so much I needed to hear this so much right now.
I know that I'm loved but at times of sadness and depression it's hard to see or that.
One of your most important videos. I wish you all the peace and love God has to offer.
Ironically, the old teaching saved me from su*c*de. At my lowest point I hit a mindset of "If I do this I'm definitely going to Hell, but if I hold on God might take pity on me."
Do not call 911, a 5150 hold goes on people’s records, background checks and can affect employment and becoming unemployed and destitute will only drive someone further towards suicide. Plus, you better have good insurance and savings to cover the time in the hospital. (This message is for US residents, I can not speak on laws outside of America)
Please keep doing what you’re doing. I hope the church values your extra work your doing with these videos.
I don’t know why suicide has been in my mind for years. I don’t know why. Jesus and his ministry is my life savior. The reason that I can fight to keep the live that God has entrusted to me. Thank you pater. ❤
Stay strong, my dear brother in Christ! I have these thoughts too at the moment. I just want the sadness to end, but this is a spiritual battlefield, and to yield to this temptation would be to desert God's army. Let's stay and fight this righteous fight to the end, until God calls us home!
I hope you know that tackling big questions and being so open and informative about your faith is more compelling for others to learn about it than simply berating them.
This channel has been a huge influence and I thank you for so many of these videos.
Fr my husband committed suicide on July 6,2010. Fr David Hyman, OFM helped me through that time period. I was so scared when he died to tell Fr David that my Husband had committed suicide. I was concerned about the church’s response. Myself and my husbands soul were both taken into serious account.
Thank God he and Fr Tom(t) were both OFM’s.
I love your channel, wish my sponsor in RCIA is like you. Father, God bless you and thank you for your videos
As always beautifully explaind! Love u brother and keep bringing Gods Love into the world ❤
Fascinating video. The catechism is really helpful in focusing our thoughts in this case.
Thank you for this video. My family has gone through the horror nightmare of 2 suicides. My sister's husband and then my niece's husband. I was surprised to hear my niece say to me that her husband is in Hell for killing himself. based on our families catholic upbringing, we are all over 50 yrs. old. I tried to explain to her that God knows what is in someone's heart and God also knows what torment their mind and spirit are going through and God will show mercy .
I work with a man whose wife had ended her life this year. Since then, he has found the church. This video is something that I hope to bring him comfort. Though to be honest I find myself coming closer to the Church as well.
People please don’t ever say suicide is selfish, you are in tremendous pain when you are going through this.
My friend’s son was raped, beaten and left for dead during a college Halloween party. He was in therapy for two years and wound up hanging himself in his dorm room. He just could not live with what had been done to him. He blamed himself for going to the party in the first place.
Please tell your friend that his son is now at peace.
I understand this. I was raped while serving in the military. While I have spoken about it publicly for years, it does not mean I haven’t entertained the thoughts your son acted upon. We can hope your friend’s son found the peace that he was denied after the crime perpetrated upon him. We all need to speak more about men being raped. Another reason that Fr. Cole’s video is important is to stop people telling us what we think is wrong.
I hope and trust God will truly forgive and welcome those who felt the only option they had was to end their lives. I need to believe this not only from personal experience but also as far too many people have sought this option, rather than have to continue on.
Please God show your love and mercy to them all.
Hope in the Resurrection always helps keep me on track whenever feelings of despair arise.🙏
Suicide occurs at that temporary moment where the pain of being alive exceeds the pain of dying. Suicidal ideation is an illness like cancer. I’ve been suicidal and fight those intrusive thoughts. I have to live day by day. Today I will live. I will not commit suicide. I will not drink. The key to my philosophy is one day at a time.
Jesus taught us to pray to God thus: "give us this day our daily bread" -- we ask him to provide for our needs each day, one day at a time, so you're right that it can be good to live like this. I pray for all who are afflicted by these dreadful thoughts
@@MrOhWhatTheHeck thank you. I am a recovering alcoholic. I have been sober for four years. I pray deliverance prayers often and also the Lord’s Prayer every day. You are correct in that I think God wants us to live one day at a time. There is a saying that while we are making plans, God laughs at our folly.
I think I know what started the whole "Suicide is a mortal sin". In Dante's Inferno, which was published in 1320, the 7th circle of violence has 3 sections, one is The Woods of Suicide. I don't think before then it was considered as a sin. It's a theory, but it makes a point. The 2016 or 14, the pope declared that suicide is no longer considered a mortal sin, but one still needs to seek help.
as far as I understand it was a slightly different approach- suicide was seen as a sign that you had lost your faith in God, and THAT was considered the great sin.
Thank you. Very needed
Very sensitive and informative presentation.Thank you❤
As an older person who has been blessed by God in more ways than I can count, I want to die. To die is to meet God face-to-face. When my time comes, I don't want medical care unless it can restore me or to minimize pain. Save the resources for the younger people who haven't had a full and blessed life yet. My wife and I have talked about this and we both agree. We have had legal documents prepared expressing our wishes and giving power of attorney to each other. As someone who has had to take his mother off life support, I can assure you that it is not a choice you want any loved one to have to make for you.
There is no Church obligation to extent a natural life. Once nature/god calls it is your option to accept or fight against that call.
@whatsup3270 We did talk to our priest about our just to make sure we didn't miss anything from the church's point of view. We were the first couple to have ever done that with him. He told the bishop, and we ended up giving talks at married couples retreats. So few people have THE TALK with their loved ones. Luckily, Mom and I had the talk.
Lovely! What a beautiful approach to this very difficult matter. "Who are we to limit God's mercy?" There are so many places where this tends to be forgotten. Thanks!
I was taught that suicide was a mortal sin. Now we know that depression is a serious illness. We no longer bury people at crossroads. My son was hit by a speeding car when he was 17. He broke ever bone on the left side of his body and suffered a serious head injury. He has been fighting suicidal thoughts ever since. Antidepressants don’t seem to help.
I see lots of people commenting such tragedies, and it reminds me that we live in a fallen world full of suffering. Your dear son will be restored to the way God created him one day if he turns to Jesus. I pray that God's spirit will grant him a sense of peace that the world, and doctors, cannot give. Your comment made me sad but it reminds me that I'm not alone in feeling broken and as though I can't continue. Let's all keep fighting for God's sake!
Thank you so much for this video. I'm very relieved that the church doesn't reject people who commit suicide anymore. As you say, it is for God to judge.
Thank you for your words, I trust you are in touch with God. Many Christians have debate this. I have bellieved for many years that nobody in their right mind would commit suicide and God does not send people to hell, who aren't in their right mind!
Thanks for making this and trying to explain it with a sense of strong truth and tenderness. I only wish the US Bishops would do more to help teach the faith and guide.
Thank you, Fr Casey
St John Vianney, a mystic on the same level of St Padre Pio, once told the wife of a man who jumped off a bridge that her husband is Heaven. He repented in the split moment before he hit the water.
There is always hope, so always pray.
nothing not even death or hell separates us from God
you aren't locked out of God's kingdom after you die and are sent to a type of hell
god can and will let you back in if you repent
to say nobody is able to repent after death isn't logical
hell is very real but question is... how many people are there.... church teaching says we don't know and cannot know
pray
nothing else matters but that
@@hughmungus4089 I agree that there must be more to it than simply: you die, and whatever your belief was at the moment of death is what determines where you end up. We will surely all stand before God and be asked to account for our lives, and this will be our time to repent and as God to cleanse us of our sin through the sacrifice of Jesus. And yes, Jesus told us to forgive without end, so surely God will also forgive like this if we are truly sorry!
For anyone struggling with mental illness and intrusive thoughts, I am praying for y'all. Jesus Christ be with you 🌺
In our small town (less than 4,000 people) there's been 2 suicides in 7 months (one was last week) and it's really torn me up so this video is good timing. 0:38 I thought the church never said definitevly that anyone was in Hell.
It has- in its very long history.
Love you father!
Edit: thank you for teaching me
A minute into this and I will admit that at first growing up. I did believe that -what you said at the beginning. I am going to say since then my view point has changed drastically. That my view point is now that: No I do not feel it is a sin. And do not feel they go to hell for it. I feel the Lord knows that some of us are at a low point and cannot think clearly and in his infinite Mercy forgives them.
If you lack the cognitive or psychological freedom to make a morally correct decision, then there is no sin, even though suicide remains "grave matter."
@@anthonyhulse1248 Hard to say its not a sin. Hard to say it's not an evolutionary malfunction.
Even though I think id be better off dead, I can admit it is disordered.
Díd you listen to the whole message? He explained fully towards the end. It made me feel better because I personally know someone who did end his life and for a person to do that, there’s no way they are in a healthy state of mind!!
@@yobreezieseas yes
Salt of the earth, dear Pastor. You are the salt of the earth. ;)
Hey, brother. I'm watching from Brazil and I LOVE your channel very very much. Could you make a video about the catholic view about predestination (Thomism, Molinism etc.)?
One thing that has kind of always bothered me is that I am always hearing homilies (and other things like prayer intentions and calls to action) that discuss the legality of issues like abortion. However, given the fact that 54% of all gun deaths in the USA are self inflicted (>25000 every year), I've never heard a single homily (or even a mention by anyone associated with the church) that discusses the issue of how easy it is to acquire firearms in the US. Having had 3 friends fall victim to fatally self inflicted gunshot wounds, it is a personal issue for me. As a responsible gun owner myself, I certainly do not think firearms should be banned, but I do think it is an issue that needs to be discussed seriously within the church.
So well explained. God bless.
We're actually at a Catholic funeral in Zimbabwe, thanks for this
Why are you watching TH-cam during a funeral
As a Canadian, this is very relevant in the present.
Yes! Care for the sick extended to mental illness as well. Thank you for this. As someone who has dealt with major depressive disorder, it has been dismaying (shocking even) how some family members have washed their hands of me or blown off my deepest suffering as some kind of attention-seeking or “wallowing”. Believe me- if I could be “normal” and never have or have had the unimaginable depths of depression and could have had normal coping mechanisms- I would have. No one WANTS to feel their life has no value or meaning. Thanks for this episode.
This is an ongoing issue. It’s sadly to the point where I get tempted to act by what ever comes to my mind
Indifference to someone's suffering and is terminally ill is morally worse than ending that person's life.
As psychiatric diagnosis is not objective and measurable medical diagnosis in that part I agree there should not be allowed euthanasia on basis of psychiatric diagnosis or any other invasive medical treatment that can do permanent damage.
So glad our Church isnt afraid of scientific and medical advancement. As someone with severe depression, I'm very grateful despair is no longer taught as a sin
the sin of despair is very real, and a mortal sin, this is still the Catholic Church's teaching
I have a hard time _not_ being in favor of euthanasia. My mom had ALS and died after just a year (which in retrospect is probably fortunate, since it usually drags on for years). By the end of it, she was bedridden, couldn't eat or talk, and could only communicate by trying her best to scribble on a notepad. One day she wrote on the notepad asking me to grab my dad's pistol and end her life. And honestly, I don't blame her. Had euthanasia been an option, I'm sure she would have gone for it. I don't see why someone should be forced to suffer an agonizing, long death. There's no "dignity" in wasting away into a husk of your former self.
Suffering is never pleasant for those who experience it and is traumatizing for those who witness someone in suffering.
We can never know what goes on in the minds of people who are approaching death. With judgement and eternity coming, the period of natural suffering allows those people to prepare themselves for what their cross to bear is.
Christ himself suffered greatly and through his pain and suffering we were all delivered from our sins.
It is believed that people who do suffer in their life, that their suffering is not wasted by God. Their pain can redeem others and themselves. Others who witness the pain may even be led to pray when they otherwise would not have leading them closer to God and salvation instead of being lost. It’s hard to understand being a witness to that type of suffering the opportunity God has given those people to prepare for the end.
So many people die not knowing the end was coming and were not able to prepare. Many who would have wished they could have been afforded the chance to make amends and say goodbye to those they loved.
I don’t say these things to detract from the pain you went through, only to let you know that God understands the pain your mother and you went through and that the suffering did not go to waste.
@@Davidjune1970 The theory that thinking is based on may lead you into trouble.
@@whatsup3270 accepting one’s fate without being murdered is not a policy that would get you into trouble. Nor is thinking that bearing your cross has a purpose.
@@Davidjune1970 The post implied their suffering and all suffering is directed by god, and that is greatly errored. It eliminates freewill. The original poster is correct once natural life functions as walking, talking, seeing, etc, we can a live in name only. I've actually seen cases where people were held unconscious to live, if allowed conscious they would likely pass from a pain/stress induced heart attack. The Church does not require that care. Once normal functions cease the Church teaching should be viewed as a guide and not a medical requirement, SImply god made you to function not to be a zombie.
@@whatsup3270 no God does not inflict suffering on people that is a lie. If it were true there would be no free will.
The church knows that natural law has mechanisms such as disease that afflicts people. Whether or not you get a disease is up to genetics and environment. It’s not God sitting there throwing a disease into your body.
Your body fights the disease as it is able to. All bodies will eventually succumb to natural causes. What the church says is no action should be taken to end life using medical means, this does not mean that any medical means necessary should be done to keep you alive if your body is going to die. The church is ok with DNR or any other choice someone makes to die naturally by avoiding medical intervention.
Thank you Father for talking about suicide.
1:31 Killing one's self and killing someone else are 2 completely different acts...
There is real beauty in this video
DNR/DNI isn’t sinful then. Good to know.
Edit: I was so embroiled by addiction that I legitimately thought I’d failed as a Christian and that I’d be better off dead. I was 16. So successfully isolated from everyone else that it was the Spirit who intervened directly. Decade later I’m almost done with Nursing school with an ER contract. God is good.
Correct. In most cases. Obviously if it's a young, healthy person and all they need is CPR, DNR would not be the best choice.
@@BreakingInTheHabitIs there any case in which taking your own life to relieve yourself of pain from this life is damning since that’s what I imagine councils like Braga refer to when they mention victims of suicide not being permitted to have Christian burials
I have been having suicidal thoughts for awhile now, I tried therapy but still progressing sadly
Don't give up. It took you a long time to get where you are and so it will take a long time to get out of it. Help is possible.
This isn't something my church has even addressed and yes, sometimes I have dispaired.
Well done. The strange thing is that people who know they CAN die with dignity once their incurable disease becomes unbearable to them tend to hold on longer than those who do not have that option. But yes, it's always a serious matter.
Thank you for this
Suicide can still be mortally sinful in my opinion, for instance the prideful suicide of the samurai after defeat. This is no mental illness compelled act, but an act of self murder in defiance.
Thank you, Father.
Thank you, Father, thank you.
Thanks Father
This is such a difficult topic. I’m hearing more and more people say that, animals have a better end of life because people put their cats and dogs to sleep. Then they say, people deserve the same painless end of life.
It’s a very slippery slope in what is moral and ethical.
thanks father ✝️🛐🕊
Well said Fr.
God doesn't have the right to make people suffer and dye slowly of cancer. I simply defy any being, divine or otherwise, to tell me or anyone I love that they HAVE to endure months or even years of agony as they waste away. If I get cancer and medicine cant cure it, I'm going quick and painless and no one is going to stop me. If anyone I love gets cancer and they want to go quick and painless, I'll do whatever it takes to help them.
My position is sanity, common sense, and compassion. If you don't agree then you're lacking one or all of those qualities, end of discussion😾
💯🙏🏽
AMEN.
A big problem with condemning those who have commited suicide and not burying them is that it makes the topic a taboo. In my region, the number of suicides are three times bigger, than the national average. One of the many reasons is, that here suicide "doesn't exist". People will try to cover up these instances, not talk about it or just say stuff like "oh he was ill and fell off", or "he was drunk and fell in front of a train" etc. This (partly) is caused by the fact that families, to this day, will try to cover it up, so they ensure, that their loved one gets buried and treated well. Yes, the priest is obliged to bury them, but then they will be buried at the back of the cemetery, can be given less care, the priest will say bad things about them on the funeral etc.
This is of course is just a small part of this issue that we have in this community and I'm in no way saying that the Church is the cause, this behaviour is just another symptom. What I'm trying to make out of this is that it's not true, that by condemning these people, others will be afraid of commiting it. It can actually help cause more, by making it a taboo. If the topic is a taboo, then the depressed will feel more alone, that they are the odd one out, a mistake, while also limiting the number of ways someone can get help. There will be less suicide prevention programs, less good psychologists and it can cause the people to look down upon, those who have problems.
If people had someone who cared they probably wouldn't be suicidal.
Is it really necessary to talk to Catholics about this stuff? We should know all it by now. I’m an old dog. Even at work us catholic talked about these topics. It’s like a no brainer.
With Euthanasia, what is the Catholic teaching on people who are brain dead who's family decides to donate their organs?
This is a really good question - I had a friend suddenly die of a brain aneurysm. She was an organ donor and saved lives with hers, so I signed up after she died.
There is a concern that the issue has become "modern." The Catholic Church lifted the prohibition of suicide funerals only in the 1980s and it was considered a mortal sin in the 1960s Baltimore Catechism. The recent developments on these issues are coming from the 1980s and 1992 Catechism. This also seemingly contradicts in intent to prohibit such burials in 1562. Additionally, suicide is not taught as "murder" by Catholic theologians, and because why? Even murder can be deemed a non-mortal sin under certain circumstances so why isn't this emphasis preserved? And this does seem a bit of a strawman as figures like Dante understood that suicides should be placed in purgatory or various circles of hell depending on their other sins and their mental state when they committed the act back in the 1300s. So, why should we not be skeptical that this is a "modern" imagination on this issue?
Because the Catholic Church from its inception always said that our understanding grows with time
It’s what differing us from orthodox
You need to remember, we always discover something that was always there but we never noticed. It’s the case with the Trinity, the Mary Dogamas, various other understanding
"Modern" ( you gotta love it). Ever read Numbers? of the Mosiac Laws they are old really old, does that make them right? Should we treat our slaves that way today? Been to any righteous stonings lately? Suicide and Euthanasia start with many other things which result in human death under the umbrella of sanctity of life. These particular events can be removed from that umbrella for varies reasons much like occurs in other deaths ( soldier, ectopic pregnancies, imminent threats). A brush up on "double affect" may help. Today we understand the conditions of suicide and euthanasia are more complex and often do not fit under the the umbrella of the sanctity of life.
@@generalyousif3640 You could say the same thing about every single doctrine and teaching on faith and morals so I feel you need to qualify yourself specifically on this issue. It's fine to go from vague to specific to give greater precision as the councils and the popes have done. But it's entirely different to flip-flop on an important issue of concern and with it being heavily influenced by Western culture.
@@steveempire4625
I mean, It’s true
Full consent and full knowledge is not something easy to have.
Our current understanding of psychology shows us in our theology that there are diminishing effects because full consent and full knowledge are not present. Therefore, Grave Sin is not present bec it requires the present of all 3 together.
Suicide is always grave matter, but not always a grave sin due to the lack of full knowledge and consent.
Hope that helps. Have a good day my brother in Christ. We must remember the Holy Spirit leads the church, we will never stray from the truth or else we will never the true church to begin with, because Christ promised us “ Hell will not overtake it”
Can you pinpoint when the view of suicide was amended? I’m a child of the 1970’s and I think the old view was still present throughout the 80’s.
I don’t understand, someone who kills themselves has an illness, a malfunction, Mal-Function literally “bad process” of the mind. If our bodies made in the image of god can get sick, or breakdown, so can our minds. In my opinion (not Catholic but love this channel and a big fan of father Casey) Someone who commits suicide died of an illness untreated, just like if someone had untreated diabetes or sepsis. Their mind was polluted with disease until it failed and the body dies, just as the body can be polluted by disease until it dies also. Just my thoughts. Great video 😊
How is one supposed to choose a religion when they all tell you they are the one true way, yet disagree sharply with each other?
As a catholic I think there some circumstances where euthanasia/mercy killings may be morally justified but that's not to say current systems aren't being abused.
Please pray for me. I have been dealing with suicidal thoughts on and off for months now and I don't know what to do.
how are you doing now?
@@cycyro Better, but it can still come and go. And I'm not sure I can keep my thoughts away for good.
@@louannebvb I will pray for you . And make sure to seek professional help. I wish you nothing but the best
What about do not resuscitate? What about death by “old age”: old people stop eating, stop taking meds, stop getting up and then pass even though if they had continued to eat and stay active they would have lived longer.
Two separate issues here. 1. DNR allows the body to take its natural course of death. Obviously we would want young, healthy people to be resuscitated if it was easy to do, but if very sick or old people choose not to, that is not a sin. 2. As for eating, etc., it is still required that even the old and sick take basic measures to take care of themselves. Not doing so may be a sin, but I'm not sure we would want to consider it any grave matter.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Now let us also not forget the capitalistic hellscape that is America, patients in poverty that die from treatable diseases or injuries because they couldn’t afford care. Is that suicide because they were too poor to get help? Or dying during an elective surgery, getting a brazilian butt lift is a very high risk procedure because death will always be a possibility (along with any other type of surgery) would that also be considered suicide? Driving drunk, is that suicide if you die? It would be murder if someone else lost their life due to the driver.
@@BreakingInTheHabit or drug addicts, shooting up opioids has a pretty high mortality rate and overdose is a risk every time they pick up a needle. Is it suicide? Or were they killed by their disorder?
@@BreakingInTheHabit As a nurse who has taken care of many dying people, I have seen that as a normal course of dying (a staged process), people who are dying frequently refuse food as a normal course of the dying process.
@@BreakingInTheHabit As a Catholic health care professional, I have had a written DNR order in my medical chart for the last 35 years. I had it written by my health care provider when I was 28 years old. Clearly, you have never witnessed the process of being resuscitated and how incredibly aggressive and abusive the process is. After attending multiple events, I determined it's a medical procedure I never want to undergo, regardless of my age. Electing not to have a medical procedure is hardly sinful. If a heart stops beating or lungs breathing, regardless of age, that's called death, which we all do at some point. Not interfering with that very natural process is a just and right thing to do. At the same time, it's also a fully acceptable life sustaining medical procedure that can be done, if one so elects to have it done. Just because medical procedures exist, doesn't mean we must have them done. 🤦
Sincere question: Does the church consider euthanasia via cutting life support as the same as doing something more direct? Is simply nolonger keeping a person alive the same as killing them?
Think DNR/DNI and/or hospice care. At this point healthcare workers are just making them comfortable until they naturally pass. Life saving measures usually attempted are super aggressive and may prolong life for a little while but only make things worse (if patients are at that point). In this case, it’s not sinful to simply let them pass on. Accelerating the process makes it a sin.
@@attackduck9768 Makes sense, thank you. I have grandparents who are pretty up there in years and deeply religious. They don't need home care or anything of the sort yet but pretty much everyone agrees they won't be with us much longer so the topic of religion relating to medicine has popped up more than a few times, and made me curious.
To all the people trying to commit suicide who have depression what is better to have a life and death respected by few or by many.
that will not be relevant at all to a person with severe depression.