Where is the REAL Farmers League?
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If you’ve been around the football community long enough, you’ll have definitely heard the word - farmers league. It’s a word you see people throwing around to banter or troll all the time directed especially at the Bundesliga and Ligue 1. They’re basically saying what you think theyre saying - that those leagues are played by farmers and their trophies are quote and quote ‘mickey mouse.' But where did this term come from? Why is it used so often to describe Germany and France's top leagues? Is it right to use this word? where is the true farmers league really? Leave a like if you enjoyed to help with the algorithm since this took a while to make and had multiple copyright issues 🙏 ❤️ Love you all
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0:00-1:17 "Farmers League"
1:22-2:26 Easy League
3:27-5:50 One Horse Race
5:51-10:30 The Numbers & Facts
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Mistake at 0:52, meant to say OG fan no go fan 😂 Leave a like if you enjoyed and let me know what you want next! Not my usual topic but since PSG and Bayern were crowned league champs recently and all the buzz on twitter about “farmers leagues” I wanted to talk about it. Love you all ❤️
We knew what you meant 😂😂
I find german league to be worse than the french league with german being the one league I may call a farmers league
Hi Raymar can you do a video on Pierluigi Collina? Very legendary referee and maybe you can do an Andreas inesta video to follow up on your Xavi video.
There is are so many more comparisons you could have considered to make the arguement of quality but seems like you had your bias. Eg average age of players, average goals, difference in goals difference in the top 4, numbers of players playing their national teams, number of players with second jobs.
We call these leagues farmer's league for the lack of quality in the overall game. There is even a big gab between the Spanish and English league. Very soon the premier league will be almost equivalent to the quality of the champions league considering that teams like Newcastle will attract more talents.
No cap ligue 1 is a farmers league so deal with it
No top 5 league is a farmers league, but without Premier League fans the term wouldn't even exist. When Bayern lost to 2nd place Liverpool or Atletico/Real to 4th place Chelsea they were everywhere calling those leagues farmers leagues, but when 7th placed Lyon beat City it of course didn't apply to them.
look at the first definition of the word on urban dictionary and it says “made by premier league fans” 😂
we all know the real farmers are premier league fans and they just want more farmers so they multiply their kind by calling other leagues farmers leagues
@@sectortv3835 the premier league isn’t a farmers league it’s one of the most competitive leagues in Europe by far the only reason people call the bundisliga a farmers league is because Bayern constantly wins it with no challenge think about this when was the last time someone won the league besides Bayern ? It was dorthmund in 2013 and that was along time ago
@@jazzzzzz5626 well Ferguson pretty much dominated the premier league for over a decade, it wasn't a farmers league then was it?
@@marricksinon2057 Exactly. People talk like Manchester United didn't once dominate the premier league with little to no challenge.
I own a moderate sized farm in southern France that operates in the summer months and I can confirm during our off season most of my employees go off to play in Ligue 1
Lmao had me dead😂
chrissy he looks fucked up
You nailed it 🤣
Nailed it🤣🤣🤣
I think Portugal, Brazil, Argentina and Holland are more development leagues (I like that word over farmers league). It is clubs that develop a lot of talent, but due to economy of their leagues sell players to sustain their clubs.
yup, developing sounds a lot more respectful, but the unfortunate truth is that bigger clubs will always take their best talents, as their leagues and countries develop, things will change though!
@Nuno Graca stop promoting american sport
@Bernardo Slongo i would say it is inevitable, although due to their size and cheer talent productioj they will always be strong leagues, today the brazilian league for example is more valuable than any other leaguen outside of the top 5 and historically they for a good 50 years were no doubt had a better level of football than the french, spanish or english leagues for example. It is simply how globalization works, the richer leagues tend to get better as the years progress, the 90s were still the beginning of that process so they was still virtually no gap there, 30 years later obviously things are different
I would say the Uber Eats League is also a league that develops talent and then sells it away to Spain and England. It's ridiculous how much French talent there is atm in the game.
@@1607Adi_Manz What's the problem with promoting american sport?
Everyone was clowning on Bayern when they lost to villareal, but i don't see anyone mentioning west ham being defeated by frankfurt
even Villareal twitter account called it a farmers league that was savage
@@RaymarFootball Sheeeesssshhhh
True, but West Ham are 7th in the Prem atm and Frankfurt 11th the teams aren’t thaaaat far apart in terms of quality. Plus it’s not like West Ham are even considered a big club.
Who tf cares about second tier european competition? If any mean you would call Sevilla is the biggest club in the world? lol
@@RaymarFootball even as a bayern fan I saw this defeat coming, bayern literally aren't performing we lost 3-1 to mainz,4-2 to bochum and 5-0 to monchengladbach, even when we perform it isn't the best performance. if that match was against flicks bayern it would've been a whole another story
Loving the consistency. Great work, man!
Man I watch ur vids they are funny plus good
Class recognizes class
appreciate it brother 🙏 great vids as well my man
Am having a doubt that both of them are same and this just adds more fuel to it lol
@@sriramnarayanan4529 no raymar is much different
Barcelona won 8 liga titles in 11 years and almost every copa del rey those years, its dominance is similar to juve's, however juve didn't have to face CR7's madrid or cholo's atleti
3 Peat Madrid was scary good 💪
always won by 2 or 3 points margin
@Jeremy Grant LMAO what are you yapping about?
@Jeremy Grant
1. Real Madrid always care more about champions league, it's not a secret.
2. Even when Barca won so many, most of them went to final match or final days, I don't remember them winning it with 10 matches remaining, it always went to last game or at least last 2/3 games.
Barcelona would’ve done the same thing if they were in prem look at city dominating and we all know what happened when the prem team faced the Spanish gaint they all come short
You could've included the Portuguese Primera Liga in there as well to compare it with Ligue 1. At the moment they're having quite a competition for the 5th and 6th spot.
And for next year, Eredivisie also competes with them
I will talk about other leagues some other time for sure! Just wanted to discuss the top 5 for now 🤝
@@RaymarFootball Ever since Messi went to Uber Eats League it's no longer a Farmer's league??? right
@@eleaevan6416 cry 😛😂😂😂
@@eleaevan6416 don't care + ratio + cry about it + find a job
Raymar might not upload everyday but every time he uploads his videos are always interesting and quality
appreciate the kind words my man 🙏
that's American quality for you
Everyone knows the REAL farmers league is MLS 🇺🇸🤣
The reality is that none of the top leagues are “farmers leagues”, they’re called top leagues for a reason.
factos 🤝
nah Bundesliga and ligue 1 is still the Farmers league in the top 5 league
@@fotballaddict then how did Lyon beat Juventus and City in 2019/20 UCL Season??
How did Lille topped their UCL group this season which consisted of Sevilla and Wolfsburg? 🤷🏻♂️
@@vb2388 there is alot of unexpected result like Ajax beating every club Giant
Like AS Roma beat Barcelona
And Dortmund got groupped againts the likes of sporting Lisbon and ajax
They're called top leagues becaude the average team in them is better, they can still be farmers leagues tho, because it doesn't matter how good the teams in your league are if the same one keeps winning every year
the thing is if we take bayern and psg out of bundesliga and ligue 1 respectively, they suddenly become the most competitive league lol, so thats why they are called farmers league
I guess that’s lowkey true 😂
When peps man city team dominated the premier league no one called it a farmers league🥴
@@4grlyn becoz Liverpool kept delivering great competition bro
@@swarnendubhattacharya6132 what about the 17/18 season and what about the time manchester united dominated the prem in the 99/00 & 00/01 season🤔
@@swarnendubhattacharya6132 and they still Liverpool has only 1PL in the past 5 years with the rest going to City...EVEN thia year its going to City again making it 6 years of City's dominance
Unfortunately, the achievements of one of the biggest clubs in the history of football, Bayern Munich, are underestimated, just because it plays in the German League, but they forgot that Bayern Munich needed a lot of work and time to build itself a local dominance.
Add that the Bundesliga was previously one of the 3 best leagues in Europe and sometimes the best to the extent that Bayern in 1975 and 1976 achieved the Champions League and lost the German League, 19 titles won by Bayern Munich out of 32 league titles, including the German League ranked in the top three
Abolish that bs 50+1 rule.
@@lenapaulsstepbrother2338 wtf its so good... I would Like it more to have prob the best managed Club in the world winning everytime but still havung culture in the Clubs than Just Clubs who throw with Money, dont have culture ans Bayern prob still winning because of their managment. As nonbayernfans U can Just Hope that the Bad Form Bayern is right now and the Bad Transfers they did the last 4 years pay Off and they lose their dominance
@@lenapaulsstepbrother2338 nah, better 4th Best League than having clubs destroyed by investors
@@fozzyjericho666 Better an absolutely boring league. Understood.
@@wildertacklehdkek3309 The only thing it's good at is letting bayer dominate though.
The 2. Bundesliga is way more interesting to be honest. The top 3 teams are within 2 points of each other, at max. If you expand it to the top 5, its 5 points. So actually a pretty close competition this year. It may not be world class of course, but still very pleasant to watch.
get lost germany kid
I'd put German league 3rd these past few years. Other teams than the 2 mentioned have done some good stuff compared to Uber Eats league. Italy is so poor and we haven't seen them do much at all in UCL.
love it how more consistent you've become with the vids. Keep it up
trying my best 💪 thank you bro 🙏
EPL is just over hyped by media. That's it. Every league and country has their own style of play and the premier league's style is more dynamic and fast paced which is entertaining to watch, but that doesn't mean it's dominant.
For example, Real Madrid and Barca has been dominating the Europe for over a decade. Only now Liverpool and man city has started that kind of rivalry and dominance, but people are already over hyping it now, because the social media was not as powerful and as influential 10 years back.
Nah the EPL deserves the hype but that doesn't mean the others are not great and top leagues
But its also clear that La Liga and EPL are by far the best the trophies won It proves that La liga , Premier League and Serie A are the 3 strongest leagues of all time.
Any real football fan should know La liga was the best at 2010s decade by far but it doesn't mean the Prem the last 3 years has been the best
@@robzsarmy5471 That's what I am saying. EPL deserves it hype, which means it is being hyped by the media and broadcasting rights. But if you see in the last decade it is laliga which was dominant. But people always say EPL is the best league. It is only best in the last 1 or 2 years. Still we could see that Real Madrid knocking out the premier league champions, Man City in the UCL. That's the real life proof.
@@Krato65 chelsea eliminate Barcelona in 2012 its the peak of Barcelona. 2009 chelsea vs Barcelona is a robery itself.
@@totoitekelcha7628 You're still crying 🤣🤣🤣. CRY MORE!
@@Krato65 y should I?🤣🤣
from someone who follows the bundesliga rather closely:
I absolutely hate how much bayern dominates it. But this is not only because Bayern are better then everyone else, its also the fault of the other teams, mainly dortmund.
Say what you will about bayern but they have a winning mentality, the want to win EVERYTHING, if they dont win Bundesliga the season is a disaster.
You will never see Dortmund sayiing at the beginning of the season that they want to win this year.
And thats the problem.
and also dortmund need haaland to score
Thank you. Not to mention, the other Bundesliga teams sell all their talent away. Sometimes to Bayern themselves. Lewandowski was a free transfer from Dortmund to Bayern. It's ridiculous.
Bayern are a force in Europe for sure, doesn’t mean Bundesliga is a farmers league! Might get the 3rd ranking sooner or later
it’s like the other clubs just want bayern to win
@@RaymarFootball Bundesliga is ranked 3rd in the coefficient standings. This was confirmed a about 2 weeks ago when Frankfurt and Leipzig made it to the Europa League semi finals
Farmers league simply means one team farming points off the other teams and harvesting a domestic trophy every season. They also farm the best players from the other clubs to build an ultimate team. So people are right to call them a farmer's league in that definition.
Thing is that definition wouldn’t work for Bayern since they don’t even buy the most players from their domestic rivals that would be Dortmund so Bundesliga isn’t a farmers league by that comparison either
@@truechaosmulala3831 they literally do 🤣🤣
@@cristianoreddevil9736 they literally dont
@@truechaosmulala3831 You gonna pretend that Goetze, Hummels, Lewandowski and so many other players were not bought by bayern from their direct rivals 🤣🤣
@@cristianoreddevil9736 dortmund bought more though Hummels and Götze were bought back and you think sule isn’t going to durtmond yes Bayern buy from their rivals but less then durtmond
I like a little switchup in content style, every now and then, and this was a breath of fresh air. Not to say I dislike anything, because you know I love your work to death, Raymar ;) But it was cool to see you tackle such a broad topic - as apposed to your other videos.
Thanks for the video, Raymar! You never disappoint!
For a bit over a decade, spain top 3 team is just so dominant in europe
yup, they’ve been for many many decades!
Barca n madrid in UCL, sevilla in UEL
Atletico, barca, and madrid has been to ucl final more than any other club for the last decade
Now England dominates
@@thomasgrabkowski8283 I don't think it will be for long. With how mbappe going to madrid and lewa going to barca. Things probably favor them for a season or two. Plus, they're so dominant this last decade, only spanish team have gone to ucl finals back to back
Love the videos, great work as always! Would love a “Just how good was Maldini” 🤯🤯
Prime serie a was a joy to watch when even fierentina and Roma used to compete
FYI "Farmers league" is more of a term associated with a club/team that is stacked on talent, in comparison to the rest of teams in the same league.
It's more of a shot at the individual deciding to join said team + subsequent league
Great work! A video about Dimitar Berbatov would be awesome
Bruh you're a real legend with the transitions!! And this video !!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for making these videoes👏
and thank you for watching them brother 🙏
Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job.
You didn't even watch the video yet
Hope it brought some perspective 🙏 thanks brother
In my Opinion there's NO such thing as FARMERS LEAGUE!
Manchester United won 7 of the first 10 premier League seasons
Barcelona Also won 7/10 la Liga last decade
Between 2007 to 2013 there were SIX different french league champions
The club with most top flight title is a joint record of 10 despite the fact that the French league commenced in the 1890s
Juventus absolutely dominated the serie A 9 wins in a row including 2 outstanding seasons....... going unbeaten then ranking up 102 points the next season
BFC dynamo and also Dynamo Dresden once dominated the Bundesliga the way Bayern is right now!!
Some leagues have a culture of clubs dominating it for a period not because of "lack of competitiveness" as it is branded ..
City wins the league this season that's 4 of the last 5 ........who are the the farmers then ?And do you see city stopping soon?
Lets be real, its the new PL soyboy fans after 2010's whom really want to kickstart some bs and talk nonsense. At some point they even disregard FA Cup and League Cup only to have personal agenda against Arsenal.
I never even heard the term on SAF Man U era. And i do agree with your Man City point.
@@Dz73zxxx 💯 ! The FA cup is such a prestigious competition to win ..Most global fans don't understand that ..
Laliga is the real farmers league . It's overrated ASF . Only gains attention from real and barca , the rest of the league is shit just 2 good teams competing for the title , Seria A is miles better than Laliga
@@toast7217 💯 Serie is my favourite league!
Never liked the prem honestly
@@toast7217 c'mon man, when Chelsea win their first champions league they got decimated by Atletico madrid in Super Cup
Good job man, as usual!
Gotta love channels like this❤️
appreciate that my man ❤️
"Farmer's League". It's one of those insulting terms that is used a lot by obnoxious fans of the EPL, that really highlights their bias, even the commentators promote these thoughts, I'm looking at you Mcmanaman. It's the same sentiment behind past statements like
La-liga is just an easy league that is not competitive (2 horse race), counter to that, that's what the EPL is now
Guardiola wins because of Messi, because of Barca, anyone can do that, couldn't play that kind of football in the EPL, counter to that, Pep gets 100 points in the EPL, if he wins this year, he would have won 4 in 5, only manager to do the English clean sweep
Klopp hasn't won anything important (despite have 2 Meisterschale), can't do it in the EPL, counter to that, any EPL side would take him now with what he has done, is pretty much the most liked manager in the EPL
Messi couldn't do it in a cold night at Stoke, Messi couldn't perform in the EPL, EPL would be too physical for Messi, counter to that, David Silva considered one of the best ever EPL midfielders, great but not as good as Messi, he'll tell you that himself, not as strong and physical as Messi, Mata had a field day with Chelsea, Zola, Crouch none are physical players, then there is Messi's record against the best EPL teams, only 5 players have scored more against them than him, and he's never played in the league.
Any player/manager that achieves success anywhere else, there is the arrogance from EPL fans that they somehow need to do it in the EPL to prove themselves to the fans like that makes any sense. They don't remember players like Eden Hazard, that tore the EPL apart year after year, being without a doubt the best in the EPL, but for whatever reason could not do it in the La-Liga. If it had been the other way around, EPL fans would never shut up about it.
yup you’re absolutely right my man. the hypocrisy is crazy with some of these fans and pundits 🤦♂️ great points 🙏
2 of the best coaches in EPL are German, the best midfielder in EPL was molded in Germany. Aubermayang was very good over 3 years became great in Germany. EPL supremacists are the biggest clowns , they want to farm players from other leagues but cry foul. Man City is about to win it's 4th title in 5 years but no complaints.
exactly epl elitist sometimes need humbling i love chelsea but im also a fan of football i watch other leauges i think this opinion stems from jelousy and delusion
cry more
Couldn’t agree more 🤣
Actually Italy does have a league cup. It’s called the coppa Italia
Thank you for saying that, i dont know how the autor missed this "tiny detail"
This video is exactly on point. Well done 💯
appreciate it brother Alarik 🙏💯
I am dying out of laughter. I actually believe you found the clip at 9:32 and THEN decided to make this whole video afterwards, too great of a meme to not create content around it. Now, let's get real... great content Raymar, I liked this video and I can see you made a big effort both on trying to nail a solid argument with facts/data as well as quality of presentation (and yes, this goes to your photoshop skills as well). Keep up the good work.
Can we please have a "How good was George Best" or something of this sort. I football has so much been influenced by his style of play.
Pretty interesting life as well. Would love to know more. Pretty sure many people feel the same.
My favourite player ever❤️
1:10 this pic killed me 💀💀
made me laugh too when I saw it lmao
Love ur videos btw, keep it up!
Entertaining video, good job for explaining this
"Where is the Real farmers league"
Celtics and Rangers: oh, finally some acknowledgment..
I was watching Marsellie vs Lyon today and it was a really entertaining game. Big road win upset for Lyon! I say this because Ligue 1 games have been worth watching. It's still a good league. But as a PSG fan, they need some better competition to join them on the international stage.
Super video. My absolute favourite sport youtuber. Please post 2 times a week if you can! I dont even skips the ads when i watch you so you can gain those shinny coins
hahaha appreciate the kind words my brother. 2 videos a week is definitely a goal, need to maximize my workflow for that to happen but for now I just want to be consistent weekly 🙏 much love ❤️
BROO this video is AMAZING. THANK U
the thing with ligue 1 is that other than PSG it is very, very competetive with each team standing a chance to reach european cups, even now a few matches to the end we can't say for sure who will qualify, and before PSG's domination it was like 7 years 7 different champions? it was and to some extend still is the craziest league out of those 5
i thought it was called farmers' league because the teams were farming players for the PL teams. The french ligue 1 gave them drogba, kante, henry, hazard, etc...
Great video as always
thank you my man 🤝 means a lot
Raymar your content are enjoying to watch
Thank you so much bro 🙏
7:25 I don’t know from where you’ve got that information but I’m German and I can assure you why do not have a league cup. We just have the DFB Pokal which is the equivalent of the FA Cup in England and the Copa del Rey in Spain.
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@@RaymarFootball bro make a video on real madrid 2017 quintuplets not many talk about it
I honestly can't stop thinking I'm listening to JxmyHighroller's football cousin whenever I watch your videos. Both of y'all talk the same way and have great analyses. One for ⚽and one for🏀
Bro Your transition to ad is insanely good bruh
hahaha I try not to make it boring thats all 😂
No matter how respectful we try to be, Ligue 1 will always be a farmer's league.
Ligue 1>The german league
@@pleasestoptalking6245 Bundesliga is still exciting to watch especially the intensity by which their play.
In French legue everyone sit backs and players play like they have personal venegance against you
I was thinking of making a video about this on my other channel but you beat me to it.
Here are some things I found whilst researching the topic and some things that caught my eye whilst watching the video:
Bayern on average win the league by more points whilst also playing less games (higher amount of games statistically favors better teams).
I also disagree with the take that they are "36% more dominant" that only works if they also won the same amount of times, which they didn't. You could say, when PSG win they are 36% more dominant in their league, but since Juve has more league titles in the last 10 years than PSG the stat does not work.
A little bit unfair to PSG to compare total amount of trophies won domestically since they have more trophies available (no Germany does not have a league cup since it was discountinued in 2007 so would not be included in trophies available in the last decade) and again the more games (or in this example competitions) the more on average the bigger teams will win. For context, a better analogy here would be Manchester City (since english teams also have had a league cup, a national cup, supercup and a league) and City have won 15 trophies in the last 10 years. Sure, it's still not 20, but now all of a sudden 20 doesn't look that far away, especially not considering the branding it usually gets as a "farmers league" compared to the Prem.
Also the timeframe here can bias the outcome of the numbers heavily. In a 10 year time frame, this is what it looks like, but if we look at the top 5 leagues only in the last 5 seasons (not counting this one since most leagues aren't finished yet), then you will find the following facts;
Ranked teams from amount of league winners: 1. La Liga, 2. Ligue 1 / Premier League, 4. Serie A, 5. Bundesliga
Average point difference between 1st and 2nd place: 13.4 for the Premier League, 12.8 points for Bundesliga, 10.688 points for Ligue 1, 7 for La Liga and 6.4 points for Serie A
Competitiveness for the entire league? Let's look at point difference between 1st and last place then, the Prem and Serie A average 72.2 and 70.8 point differentials respectively, with Ligue 1 coming in at 66.4.
What about midtable? Let's look at points between 4th place and first relegation spot, Ligue 1 ranks the most competitive behind the Bundesliga. (33.8 and 29.8 if you want the numbers), the worst leagues are Serie A and the Prem with 39.2 and 38.4 average point differentials.
What about number of different teams in the top 4? According to this Ligue 1 and the Bundesliga are the most competitive of the top 5 leagues with 8 teams each getting a top 4 finish in the last 5 seasons, worst is La Liga and the Prem where 5 teams have a stranglehold on the top 4.
For UCL stats, here are some if you would change the timeframe just slightly (also showing how much this can be used to further your own narrative), here are stats for the past 5 seasons.
If you remove the most dominant team from each league (Real Madrid, PSG, Bayern, Juve and City), how many teams reach at least the semi-final stage of the UCL in the last 5 years? 1. Premier League (3 teams), 2. Ligue 1 (2 teams) / La Liga (2 teams), 4. Serie A (1 team), 5. Bundesliga (0 teams).
Number of times teams from each respective top 5 league has reached the semi-final. 1. Premier League (5 times, 2x 20/21, 2x 18/19, 17/18) / La Liga (5 times, 20/21, 18/19, 17/18, 2x 16/17), 3. Ligue 1 (4 times, 20/21, 2x 19/20, 16/17), 4. Bundesliga (2 times, 19/20, 17/18) / Serie A (2 times, 17/18, 16/17).
Interesting fact here that the only real stat here that Ligue 1 is at the bottom of is wins in the last 5 years, but it's still joint last along with Serie A.
Brief overview of the same timeframe but the UEL.
Number of teams in semis. 1. La Liga, 2. Prem, 3. Ligue 1 / Serie A, 4. Bundesliga
Number of wins. Only spanish and english teams have won, so Ligue 1, Serie A and Bundesliga are joint last.
Other things I noticed in the video. You talk about a team winning the league early, but what about City last season? Liverpool the season before? City in 17/18? It's not like this is only happening in France or Germany. Whilst you can talk about the point differential being rather low in Serie A it still doesn't tell the entire story. In each of Juve's 9 consecutive league titles, they had the best defence in every single season except the last title, they averaged less than 4 defeats a season over the entire league run (, reached 2 Champions League finals, had an invincible season, set a point record in Serie A and top 3 most goals scored in every single season except the last title. They might not points wise have won the league by a long shot, but they were clearly and by some distance the best team in the league at the time.
If we're comparing league winners in the past 10 seasons shouldn't it be the same seasons for all leagues? Serie A and the Prem aren't finished yet so this season can not be used to compare. If we look at the past 10 seasons, Ligue 1 has 4 different winners (Montpellier, PSG, Monaco and Lille), Serie A has 2 (Inter and Juve), Bundesliga has 2 (Dortmund and Bayern), La Liga has 3 (Atleti, Real and Barca) and the Prem has 5 (United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Leicester) - if you don't wanna count Montpellier because that was before PSG's dominance started then you shouldn't count United or Dortmund either as the respective dominant teams era in their own leagues hadn't begun yet either (City and Bayern).
Ligue 1 also has a top 4 race that is open not unlike that of La Liga, only 5 points between 3rd and 6th. Saint Etienne, a team that got in the top 4 a few seasons ago, are now battling relegation and are currently in the play-off position, whilst only 5 points seperate 14th to 18th place. So how exactly is La Liga more exciting in that aspect? You also didn't mention that Real Madrid already won La Liga just like how PSG just clinched Ligue 1, the rest that you mentioned about La Liga is essentially mirrored if not even more tightly fought in France.
Look, I'm not trying to argue that Ligue 1 is a better league - or more exciting - than La Liga but I feel like you still talk down on Ligue 1 and I think it shows how underappreciated the league is.
Also the Association Coefficient does NOT rank competitiveness within a league, only in European competitions. Cannot stress this enough. I know you didn't directly say this wasn't the case I just wanted to clarify so no one misunderstands that.
This! Well put and elaborated. I feel like everyone should read this. Hope you have a thread of it on Twitter
Great analysis bro 🙌..
One of the best TH-cam comments I’ve seen!
OP: You did some homework and put together your points very well 👏
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This is going to be an entertaining topic and video to watch cause there's so many not so good leagues honestly
It's not about not so good leagues ,leagues where almost rvery team is mediocre should not be called farmers league cus it will be competitive,while the league where only 1 team is like the best team in the world and the others are worse than mediocre should be called farmers league such as ligue 1 or Bundesliga
I should do a video on very underrated or less known leagues 🤔
@@RaymarFootball that would be a sick video
Good video,you broke down your points and numbers correct,great job.
Could you please do a video on Roberto baggio: how good was he actually?
Do a video on 'Merchants'. People often use this word to downplay players' abilities by saying 'tap-in merchant' or something a lot. Most of the time it doesn't make sense and I need someone to explain these people that a striker scoring tap ins or a midfielder doing right-left passes doesn't make him bad.
bro you might be on to something? 🤔🤔🤔 I think this is going on my priority list haha 🤝 great idea
Tap ins might not be pretty but in a World Cup final, a winning tap in goal will erase the value of any other goal.
@@brrrrrtenjoyer a goal is a goal I honestly don’t know why a tap in makes a goal any worse
@@saif19845 For me personally in the case of tap ins, I prefer watching the build up to it. Like a good dribbling run before pass to the striker. Or a perfectly placed long ball. Or even a good passing play. Tap ins aren't beautiful to watch. But a goal is a goal and a tap in is also a goal.
A very interesting video. How about one on the five below, how they compare and the time when (or even if) they were top 5?
thing is the 2 leagues under league 1 are better than the French league and historically more successfull
eredivisie or netherlands league has 5 ucls with 3 diferent winners meanwhile Portugal has 4 ucls with 2 diferent winners France has 1 ucl and it was full of corruption
Love u raymar❤️❤️❤️
AMAZING VIDEO KERP UP THE GOOD WORK GOAT 🐐!
thank you my man thanks 🙏
@@RaymarFootball no prob
Premier league was the biggest farmer's league when United won 13 out of the first 20 seasons. Now City is going to repeat the trend. Why so much recency bias?😂
Football version of JxmyHighroller right here 😆 down to the voice and content haha good stuff
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In my opinion a "1 man race" shouldn't be a factor when you call something a "farmers league"
it should be about the average quality of the teams in that league and that is pretty tricky to measure, the best we can do is look at the average market value per team
which puts the premier league way ahead, la liga, serie a and bundesliga close and ligue 1 a bit behind
Market value doesbt necessary matter that much tho. Prem has bigger brand that alone gives prem players higher marketvalue. Some of these values are ridiculous...how can someone like Richarlison be worth 50millions? Or Andre Gomes 20 million? How on earth is Grealish worth 80 million or Sterling 85 millions?! Trust me if there were players with exactly same skill level and age in other leagues they wouldnt be even half that
If you talk about quality of the teams you also have to consider their performances in Europe. Which puts the Bundesliga ahead of Ligue 1 and seria a.
Market values are heavily inflated in the premier league though. Maguire cost 80 million, Grealish cost more than Ronaldo did going to RMA, Wan Bissaka cost 50 million, whereas someone like Rodri for City cost 60 million. Out of all those players Rodri is the best, but the premium clubs pay for overhyped English players is unreal.
But ligue 1 doenst get as much exposure so it would always be put last. That’s not a fair way to do it. To measure quality, they should make a new tournament for the teams just above relegation to measure the quality of the lower teams.
La liga has way better teams than the serie a or the bundesliga. The mid table teams in Spain get to win Europa Leagues and even beat big 6 Premier League teams in knockout competitions
Historically speaking French league is not a farmers league. St Ettiene and PSG have 10 titles and Marseille have 9, Monaco and Nantes have 8, and Lyon has 7, then Reims and Bordeaux with 6. Meanwhile in the Bundesliga Bayern has 31 titles and the team with second most titles is Borussia with 5 which is less than all the French teams I mentioned. Rn Ligue 1 isn't as competitive but Bundesliga has always been run by Bayern not just the past 10 years
historically speaking French league is the 7th not 5th Portugal has 4 ucls netherlands 5 France has 1 and it was full of corruption
No, Bayern is just the only German team who could maintain their quality/succes all the time. In the 80's and 90' and even the 00's there were a lot of teams who challenged them, they were just stopped by Bayern and the Prem (transfers, TV rights, etc.). Similar how PSG does it nowadays in france
@@LizudemAm Bayern was stopped in the 2000s dafuk Wolfsburg Bremen Dortmund Stuttgard all won Bundesliga multiple times even
@@codino97 yes I know, I didn't say otherwise. My team (Werder Bremen) even won the double and another DFB-Cup in 2009.
In general the league was extremely competitive back than.
What I meant was that Bayern is the only team which is still really successful
@@LizudemAm true but that was also for stuff besides Bayern having more money like bad management and etc schalke for example
I swear if that's ur voice or whatever it makes the video evennnnn better thnx for uploading!
thank you mate 😉
How was Spain never considered a farmers league in the early 2000s because the league was mostly between Barcelona and real Madrid. At least in England at the time there was united Chelsea arsenal and sometimes Liverpool fighting for the league
It still is only between Real & Barcelona with the very occasional Atheltico Madrid coming 1st it’s a decent league with a lot of quality but it’s not that competitive
People need to watch the Bundesliga before calling it a farmers league
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farmers league
Technically no league is a farmer's league in the top 5 as they are all top level.
Every defence plays a high line, so easy to score goals
Bayern are too OP in their league 😂 but definitely not a farmers league 💯
The people who use the term "farmers league" are mostly prem fanboys, they are the most arrogant of all the league fans
Love your vids
Thank you bro ❤️ glad you enjoyed!
Underrated channel
At the end of the day, I think this only affects them more instead of actually helping them, since there is basically no competition for teams like PSG that dominate their leagues, they don't get any stronger, and when they go to champions league most of the times end up losing.
alot of the French teams are bad
They aren't used to play against teams of their same level.
lets not act like city have massively underperformed so far in the champions league they dominate premier league buy a good player of mid able sides and still bottle it psg and city are in the same bracket to me
Bayern in the last 10 years: 7 semi finals and 2 CL titles
Prem teams in the last 10 years in UCL:
City: 3 semi finals, no trophy
Liverpool: 3 semi finals, 1 trophy
Chelsea: 2 semi finals, 1 trophy
Tottenham: 1 semi final, no trophy
Arsenal: 0 semi finals
United: 0 semi finals
Leichester: 0 semi finalss
Premier League total: 9 semis and 2 trophies
The premier league would be a farmers league if it’s wasn’t for liverpool and my man Klopp
Klopp is doing wonders
Dude you sound like Toby from the Office :D otherwise great work again!
As far as I remember, Portugese League was ranked No.5 by UEFA this season and Ligue 1 was No. 6
Well the main Difference is that PSG has only Oil Money and Bayern Munich is an actual club wich is owned by their 300k Club Members. The Bayern-Bosses do an amazing job at keeping their rivals down, which is kinda boring but honestly a good way to strengthen their self.
Epl has oil money too
Yup, gotta respect Bayern and their consistent dominance. They also bring old players on board in the front office who care about keeping the club great
Farmerliga
Go watch a local semi pro club game in your city and look at how fast and skilled they are. The hits they take the running the jumps kicks and overall work. Now imagine what it must take to make it to a top 5 league. Its crazy disrespectful to call anyone playing a part of a farmers league. Considering most of us can barely even run for more than 10 minutes. Respect the sport and admore it at what ever level!
Great comment! I've recently started watching my local non-league team. When you watch it from up close (not on your 70" tv screen from the couch) you can appreciate the skill, decision making and physicality needed to be adept at football. And that's miles removed from any of the top 5 Euro leagues. Games are 90% of the time much more fun to watch too...
Yo raymar i was wondering if you could make a vid about eusebio really wanna know about his career really enjoyed the puskas vid you made
Mickey Mouse comes from the 2020 NBA Playoffs, it was played in a bubble at Disney World with no fans.
Random bench players became superstars for a moment & lots of great players peaked in the bubble, so when the Lakers won the finals people started calling their ring a mickey mouse ring.
No it comes from England. Fans have been calling the League Cup the Mickey Mouse Cup for years now.
@Raymar Football can you do a video of why Liga MX dominant the CONCACAF Champions League while MLS can't? What is the difference between these two leagues in North America? Why does MLS team come up short against a Liga Mx Team in the CONCACAF Champions League Finals?
No one cares about MLS or LaLiga MX, they should stick to Baseball and shit Rugby.
Much of it comes down to mid level talent. MLS use to have a top heavy roster with few stars that could compete with MX sides, but doeth of roster was lacking. MLS has spent the last several years tweaking roster rules to allow for more mid level talent. Can be seen in being more competitive in the CL and Seattle winning it all.
Outside of that I think honestly some clubs in MLS don't put priority on it which may seem mad, but they tend to focus on MLS Cup as that is more in line with traditional American sports thinking on defining success. Raising the awareness and profile of the CL would do a lot to pressure MLS sides to put energy into it. Going back to Seattle they went at it with all they had and had a huge crowd for the final. There's the blueprint, have to see in coming years if others can mimic it.
Is the Segunda Division (Spanish 2nd Division) among top 10 league in Europe. Since I heard that it's very competitive and difficult than most top league other than the top 5 leagues
lmao no, not even close, Russian 2nd division is competitive and difficult to get out of, but that doesn't mean the quality of football is better than the top leagues in other countries.
Until last season the uefa had the la liga ranked as the top league and spainish teams dominated europe through out the 2010s but epl fans still claim it is a farmer’s league
yes epl fans use this term the most
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I mean in Ligue 1 it hasnt been like that for a while unless a while is less than a decade as clubs like Bordeaux, Saint Etienne, Monaco, PSG, Lille, and Marseille would constantly battle it out for #1 with many different winners all the way up to the middle 2010s.
tbf bundesliga teams have made it farther than serie a teams in europe pretty consistently over the last decade. bayern being more dominant than juve in their respective league is down to how much better run it is.
bundesliga teams other than bayern fall short in depth of their squad which makes it hard for them to compete in a 34 game season compared to in europe. their squad depth hindered by lesser economical investment due to 50+1 rule and being the only league with that rule.
@@KeyRx. can you elaborate more on what the 50+1 rule? I keep hearing about it
@@shakenblake4533 Fans/Club members must own a majority share of each club and be involve in the decisions. Or more effectively, outside entities or investors cannot own more than 49% of the club, which means in a vote, the fan members can hold a majority vote towards decisions concerning how the club is run, meaning no outside investors can effectively "own" the club. Bayer & Wolfsburg are sort of the exception, but even they are prudent in how they operate in the Bundesliga. There is something also to be said about RB Leipzig, but they also have one of the better footballing models of teams with external investor funding.
TL:DR This rule keeps football in a sense "for the fans", preventing the club from being taken over and run purely as a business first, like Arsenal, or a team inflating the market like PSG or Man City
bundesliga are european giants without a doubt
Because the other clubs are feeder clubs for Bayern Munich. I'm surprised they didn't get haaland from Dortmund.
you know you’re good at football manager when you change scotlands coefficients to a top 4😂
there are two farmers representant in thumbnail, you already have your answer
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Bundesliga is true football.
No sponsors.
No oil.
Fans actually have power.
I take that over everything else.
Proud to be a german Bundesliga fan
But in the end of the day, theire will never be a fight for the title 👀
@@eddahbi9472 and now?
@@tyraneklopol3455 I have a friend, and he’s Bayern fan for the past 25 years. And even he says, that the Bundesliga is absolute boring.
I am pretty sure if some „oil guy“ would buy you’re favorite club, the oil wouldn’t taste that bad 👀
And fans have power in literally every league.
The only good thing about the Bundesliga is, that you can trail young players and give them practice for the better Leauges.
@@eddahbi9472 it would. As soon as he buys the club he has power👀👀👀
We dont want that👀
Thats such a premiere league thing to say.
Germam teams are football teams as you know them.
When you go to your local town and your neigbours and friends are playing the beautiful game.
But in england the clubs literally exist to wash money👀
No.
We dont want sponsors from abroad.
Leave the game to the people.
As its ment to be👀
But you wouldnt get this.
And of course its boring for a bayern fan.
But my club is currently fighting for CL spots👀👀👀👀
Doesnt look too boring for me👀👀
@@tyraneklopol3455 come on bro. I am from Germany and look at Leipzig. Look what money can do. I am just being honest, no literally no club would say no to a investor with credibility.
And no I am not a premiere leuage fan. Also I dislike what the Saudis has done to the football.
But in the end, things are just like they are.
Newcastle Fans for example
You missed the main point when people say its a farmers league. Its used more to refer to mainly farm goals. Like when the media went wild that Mbappe got 100 goals faster than messi and ronaldo at their age. But messi and ronaldo were in more aggressive leagues in their early 20s. That is the main throw around when “Farmers league is thrown”
He has more goals at this age than both of them in the UCL and World Cup.
Have they also become “Farmers leagues”.
@@teekay2038 i was referring to league goals not UCL
That’s also one point for sure brother, but I see people use that word mostly for weak competition
Bro people forget that ronaldo and messi didn't start as goalscorers in there teams they played in the midfield
Great video bro.
appreciate that my man 🙏 🤜
Serie A has been the most interesting this season
PSG owns Ligue 1, Bayern owns Bundesliga, Juventus used to own Serie A (ac and inter milan have always been competitive), La Liga is a 3 horse race between Real Madrid, Barca and Athletico and then there’s epl which has had some upset moments but it’s basically Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea
Nah Chelsea is out of it now. Just Liverpool and City
no offence as a chelsea fan liverpool and city have pretty much dominated the leauge this past five years on top of that chelsea has an ownership problem which can potentially se us back and to make matters worse other teams from the top 6 are pretty far from chelseas development talk less of city or liverpool
Gd to see fotmob here....been using it for yrss
The "Mikey Mouse Trophies" made me laugh so much 🤣🤣🤣
Great video mate. The 2019/20 Champions League final showcased just how dominant these two teams are in their own leagues as they were both pushing for their own trebles that season.
On another note, what if you grouped together Liverpool and City and measured the average point distance gap between them and the other clubs over the last couple of years? We would probably see simlar levels of dominance.
Yes
very true actually 🤔 depends on a timeframe though!
@@RaymarFootball ac milan won
Can you make a video about hon good ribery actually was
I definitely should 👀
Bundisliga is a farmers league without Dortmund and Bayern
I follow you from Egypt, the Arab world, and I try hard to understand your language because I am not able to it because your videos are excellent, but I wish you would put subtitles in Arabic and thank you for your wonderful content❤️
Bundesliga in the 2000s was so exciting (though if you look back Bayern still took most wins) Werder, Wolfsburg, Stuttgart, Dortmund all won aswell and Schalke, the HSV, Leverkusen or Kaiserslautern were also participating in this period. Bayern killed all competition since the early 2010s and alot of their athletes were bought from other clubs, like Gomez, Neuer, Lewa or Götze and I probably missed alot more (Hummels was in the 2012 winning BVB team aswell...). It is a valid strategy, but it killed all the fun.
The worst part is that alot of the clubs continue to give their greatest talents away (today the Premier League is the biggest buyer though). Haaland, Gündogan, Werner, Havertz came from german clubs. Obviously they prefer to play in one of the big EPL clubs and have a chance to actually win the champions league instead of wasting their time chasing second place. I really hope Bayern continues to fail and we finally see a new club lift the trophy next year
what does 36% more dominant mean based on a 5 point average difference? How do you calculate that number. There were 1 or 2 things he mentioned that also don't add up, but it's what it is.
Regarding people calling leagues farmer's league, it is what it is, these people will rarely actually look at comparisons and statistics, all they see is that 1 team dominates the league, so the rest must be farmers which is a very senseless argument to make.
In the premier league, Manchester United won 13 of the first 21 league trophies, did that make the league a Farmer's league?
City are in pole position to win the league this year, if they do it, they will have won 4 of the last 5 titles, is the premier league not competitive?
The "best" league, the EPL did not make a final appearance in the UCL from 2013 - 2017 (5 years) and in the decade past (2010 - 2020) only won the UCL twice, but the way people talked about it, you would think they were in constant domination the last decade.
We need to be careful when ascribing these insulting terms to entire leagues, what we should ask is how are the other teams in the league performing in continental competitions, and the fact is no-one who draws Leipzig or Dortmund is sure of an easy win, Lyon from time to time make it difficult for their opponents, as do Atalanta and Napoli.
A lot more complex things go into 1 team dominating a league, PSG is clearly a money thing, Juventus is more a decline of other italian clubs for a while, while Bayern is a mentality thing with the rest of them. Bundesliga teams are super-competitive against each other, but Bayern is quite mighty and ruthless, and you see it in the UCL when teams don't want to draw them, suffering these lashing year on year affect german teams mentality over time regarding bayern, and there is no external money allowed in the Bundesliga, which prevents sugar-daddy owners.
Finally people say, well why don't these teams win the UCL consistently, but anyone who thinks that has a very poor understanding of how competitions work. League and Cups are very different. Upsets rarely happen in league competitions, because leagues test consistency, and the best teams often wins, but cups on the other hand have a lot more factors in them, as evidenced by Bayern not winning 10 german cups in a row.
Bro fuckin wrote a whole story
@@kloster6916 Sure did, since I won't be making any off-hand, surface-level and superficial comment about a complex matter
@@Tunde....Ballack btw every thing does make sense good job
This was a brilliant video, add to that people generally do not even rate other players of the so called farmers league that high, but if u consider the number of talents that came out of these leagues and wowed the world are incredible .... i will just mention some random names that are coming from the top of my head - pogba/kante/hazard/benzema/riberry (french league) , torres/aguero/david silva/de gea/fabregas (spanish league), bastian/toni kroos/son/kdb/ozil/alaba/lahm (german league), dybala/chielini/bonucci/totti/kaka/chevchenko/pirlo (italian league)
any of the epl teams would die to have any of these players in their prime who all developed and rose to prominance in so called easy leagues
My point being a league not being competitive enough does not mean the league does not have world class talents, it is just that the good non dominant teams(like sevilla/valencia/lyon/marseile/fiorentina/wolfsburg/ ...etc) are not able to hold on to their talents and create a competitive team due to economic sustenance, but on their day if their
for sure bro, nobody argues the talents of the top team/leagues but some are just less competitive than others. but that doesnt mean theyre farmers leagues at all! 🙏 thanks brother
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