DSL seems more compressed but still sounds really good. 800 has more life, more openness yet aggressive, amazing top “sizzle” along with amazing note definition. Great demo!
I hear that too. The 800 just sounds ready to be on a record as is. 😄 I feel like the Ultra red channel with the sd-1 is to much. The classic Crunch channel with sd-1 sounds a little more open I think.
I have a JCM2000 and i was watching this to see if i should upgrade and honestly i dont think I will. I do love the tone i get with my amp and i dont think the JCM800 is enough of an improvement to warrant the purchase. So thank you! Awesome playing too!
Same here and I have a couple buddies with jcm800s they swear by them but I don’t think it warrants it and I wouldn’t even necessarily call it an upgrade and new tubes and a choke in the dsl make it a lot better!
Y'know what... When you boost them with the SD-1, they sound almost identical. That pedal (or a good Tubescreamer) is really the secret sauce for Marshall amps.
If you want to get the dsl to sound EXACTLY like the 800, you have to boost the green clean crunch chanel. The red chanel had less definition and more fizzle. Try it and you will be blown away. Make sure clean chanel is in crunch (button in) and set gain to around 2 oclock.
Agreed it has a lot more head room and a lot more open sounding like the 800 but still can’t beat the tight compressed red channel tones for certain applications
The dsl sounds good, until you switch to the 800... The 800 just has.... more! More Marshall! Great sounds and playing once again. Great to see someone showing the real deal, instead of all the wannabe Marshalls that cost twice as much. Marshall should put you and Johan on the payroll! Rock on Euge!
Cool video as usual . Always informative and to the point . The great playing makes it even better ! Through the years , 800's , 900's (SLX + DR's) , a few DSL's and now I've landed on a KILLER TSL100 . Marshall is home for me . Rock-on Euge , great channel , classy style my friend .
They sound so close and yes the 800 wins at getting that one tone. The 2000 get's close plus a fantastic clean channel, foot switchable, effects loop, and way more gain. But again, for that 1 Tone nothing beats an 800! 2203/4, not the 2205/10. Fantastic video comparison. Just discovered your channel and digging it! Keep em coming!
after owning many amps (cornford, few mesas, bogner, few marshalls, fender, vht ... and some more) I came across 2203 1983 and I finally realized what having fun with an amp means. Nothing beats the old jcm800
To my ears the 800 has a fuller fatter sound but the DSL handled the sd1 just a little bit better. It sounded less muddy than the 800 due to it having a thinner sound without the boost. Both awesome amps. The best sound i ever got out of a Marshall was plugging in my les paul straight into a 50 watt 2204 with 6550's... Man I wanted to steal that amp! Awesome playing and awesome video thanks man!🤘
Great video , he makes both amps sound really good! But my personal experience with various Marshall amps? I see alot of people in the comments section favoring the 800? I bought my jcm800 2203 new in the late 80's , back then everybody hated them? I was even told a few times back then that only a plexi was a 'real' marshall?? I was looking for more gain than the plexi and the jcm800 had more.... But still not enough ( for me )? It needed boosted ( ts-9 ) or something else? I found something else , but still wanted a Marshall in the fold , so I got a jcm900 sl-x ? It had more gain than the 800 but didn't really sound like I wanted? My last and final Marshall I will own is a jcm2000 dsl50 , If your good with changing settings it can sound exactly like an 800 for old ( AC/DC ) tones , But it also has higher gain settings and can get really good and if that's not enough for you,the jcm2000 dsl is pedal friendly ,you can go as heavy as you want! And the jcm2000 series are still cheap , for now?
Great video. Very good comparison. I agree, the 2203/2204’s along with the original super leads are the best amps Marshall ever made. The DSL sounds pretty good but doesn’t have the depth and 3D sound of an 800. The DSL also has an annoying top end screechy sound. Cheers
Great video dude. I'm definitely a JCM800 guy (or Marshall in general). My impression from your vid... DSL is VERY good, but 2203 is just magical. Question - what's your opinion about 2203 vs 2204 sound wise? Just wondering if the 2203 sound can be captured by something smaller/lower powered. Cheers!
Thanks! I agree👍. They’re pretty much the same IMO. And I’ve heard that the new 20w studio series is really good too. But of course 100w is always a 100w and the sheer power (not just the volume) is unbeatable 👊😎.
The tubes make a big difference in the DSL's bottom end... KT's are known for the bigger bottom end, almost like 6L6's. I never played or owned a 6550 tube amp, do they compare more the 6L6 or EL flavor? The DSL doens't sound bad at all since I like the 6L6 tone. But the 800 as a more in your face punch that I prefer in this A/B. I wonder if the DSL with EL's would change its voicing. Awesome as always.
Yeah, a big difference with KT77 tubes:) Best upgrade for a Dsl JCM2000 ever, a more chunky green channel. It was my "secret" crunch weapon for many many gigs for years, only used the green channel (crunch). I started using JJ KT77 in my DSL head in 2007 or 2008 and will never use other kinds of power tubes in that amp, will not ever go back to EL34 in it..even though I love EL34 tubes/sound generally (biasing is easy on that amp on its backside, check out "Eurotubes" website). Many couldn't believe how good that crunch sound was for a DSL with a SG special and a V30 4x12, acdc type of hard riffing. My Jcm800 2203 and 2204 with EL34 are also favorites but might have an amp tech to put 6550 tubes in one of them (maybe a Frank Levi 34 mod as well). Anyways all of them keepers. DSL JCM2000 is underrated but a killer amp I think. Rocknroll ! Cheers from Norway
Hi Euge, I just discovered your videos and I think they're great! You are such a great player and your videos are very informative. I just subscribed to your channel. Keep up the great videos! On the subject of this particular video, I used to own a JCM900 and exchanged it for JCM2000 about 20 years ago since I felt like the JCM2000 had more channel/sound options than the 900. I noticed in your video that you have the JCM2000 on the Ultra Gain channel however I personally prefer playing it on the Classic Gain channel and using my overdrive pedals for the gain (mostly tube screamer and/or OCD pedal). I feel like the distortion sounds better to me that way. Something about the way the overdrive pedals push the amp's clean channel...sounds more organic to me. Do you have any thoughts/preferences on this? Thanks again for the great content!
For me, sadly, the JCM800 is better than the JCM2000, as I own a DSL40C. I'm guessing the 800 has more upper low frequencies left in the gain stages which saturates the tubes and makes palm mutes sustain and sound more fluid. This helps the fundamental note come through cleaner and even makes the guitar feel easier to play. This is just a theory though. When you turn up the gain on a rectifier the guitar practically plays itself and that amp leaves tons of lows in the gain stages.
Did Marshall change the newer DSL's? You said this one has KT77 Power Amp Tubes... I had a DSL100 that I bought brand new back around 2004 and it had EL34's.
I got the JCM 2000 DSL only because the JCM 800s are too expensive. But to be honest, putting a cheap Klon clone in front of it just as a boost gives it a really sweet voice if I do say so myself ;)
Great comparation . Both amps are great . I think i like more the JCM800 here , but the DSL seems to be very good . Please do another video with a comparation between the vintage JCM800 vs Engl Blackmore . Can you tell me please your opinion wich of those amps (JCM800 vintage or Engl Blackmore) is the best for power metal music like Stratovarius , Timo Tolkki , Hammerfall , Helloween , Edguy , that kind of stuff ? I mean the gain from vintage JCM800 boosted is tight enough for that kind of music ?
@@EugeValovirta230V I always thought that boosted Marshall sound is better for US trash metal sound like Metallica , Megadeth , and also very good for British heavy metal like Iron Maiden or Judas Priest or the 80's metal sound like those hair metal bands from the 80's . I don't know why but i always had the perception that the signature sound of european power metal bands like Stratovarius / Timo Tolkki , Helloween , Hammerfall , Edguy , Avantasia , Nightwish and even the Jake E. previous band Amaranthe , was and always will be the Engl amps. sound . Maybe also the Mesa Dual Rectifier boosted with a TS or something will fit that also very good for the european power metal style .
To be honest it’s not that much about the gear but the player’s hands. I’ve used a lot of different gear during my career on many albums but I always sound like myself 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V That is very true , the gear is important to have a good sound but 80% i think it comes from the player . If we look at Y.J. Malmsteen for example , in his good old days from the 80's , those 50 watt Plexi / JMP style Marshall amps don't have much gain and sustain , and are very hard to play and those pickups DiMarzio HS3 on his Strat are very low output , but even though he had a great tone because he knows how to play , he knows how to make that guitar & amp sound good . The magic of the tone is in his hands .
Hi, I have a jcm 2000 Limited Edition LC it always have problems, pre tubes that turn of & destroyed cheap pots but I love the sound of it so much, can I find superior quality in a jcm800, what year of production do u suggest ? is a 800 handwired ?
If you like the sound my suggestion is take it to maintenance. I usually take my amps to a qualified amp tech regularly ’cos tube amps (especially my old 800s) needs regular maintenance like old cars. I can’t suggest any year ’cos all amps, especially old Marshalls could differ a lot from each other. I’ve played tens, probably hundreds, of 800s during my career (rental backline on festivals, fly in shows etc.) and some have been fantastic and some not 😎. The new re-issues are really solid so if you don’t have a change of trying before buying I’d go with the new ones. But of you happen to find a mid 80s Scandinavian edition I’d go for that ’cos they’re the most badass 800s I’ve ever played and I have two of them 😎. th-cam.com/video/5I6nTYCEpVs/w-d-xo.html
I should have put headphones on. Seemed to me like the 800 had a more rounded low end, does that seem right? I'm not familiar with any of those power tubes - could they have contributed to the difference? Anyway both amps sounded killer. Great comparison!
I got the Studio Version JCM800 and the DSL20, both 20W. Fantastic Amps! 20W is also enough for me because i can crank it a lot more to get that typical Sound Marahall is known for from the good old days
@@EugeValovirta230V i actually play the DSL a lot more because the Sound is a bit more compressed with a little bit more on the low end what fits my style of music a bit better. Playing lots of modern rock in the past, the 800 doesnt fit that type of Sound very well. I think the DSL is just a better allrounder if u will, giving you more types of sounds at half the price. The DSL is 400€, the 800 is almost 900€ here is Germany. I could get a DSL100 AND a decent Cabinet for around that price which is kinda heavy
Personal preferences 👌😎. I use 800 for everything: blues, country, rock, metal etc. and haven’t found a better amp 💪😊. I just did a video about the DSL20 and will publish it today or tomorrow.
I have a 2000 DSL 100, I love it !!! But that 800 does have a little more aggression, head end, definition. However, when boosted they sounded almost dead on. I hope to upgrade to the 800 one day when I have about $3k sitting around but I am happy with that 2000 in the mean time, it rocks hard too.
In a mix I think many people would be fooled by the 2000. I have a 100 watt, and had a 50 and I just love them. I prefer the 2000 to 800, they have more gain and I can do death metal on it.
I've owned both. Got rid of the 800 2 years ago. It was just too dam loud and no effects loop was a big deal to me. However the next day after I sold it, I wanted it back and still miss it to this day. That being said the 2000 is much more versitile. Footswitchable to a fantastic clean channel. It has way more gain than the 800. A deeper bottom end. Plus switch to the green channel with an SD-1 it's thick and meaty. Great demo bro. The 800 does one thing and it's the best at it but it will kill your ears. By the way where did you get that NYC picture in the backgound?
Euge, me again :) I just bought a jcm 2000 dsl 100w 2009, last year of production. Loved the amp. Strange question, do you think the dsl red channel is kind artificial drive? Less texture than 800? I have a laney vh100r it's a crunch monster. I think marshall really cuts the mix perfect. A month ago bought a jcm 800 mini, didn't liked, I think its a little tiny sound, different to 100w. Thankssssss, love your playing and tone.
@@EugeValovirta230V thanks Euge :) one thing that make me choose the dsl 2000 is that seems can play in bed room volume levels, the great 2203 is much louder. Thanks for your tip, I have a mxr custom badass overdrive, I think will try sd1 like you :) dude, I'm your fan, keep rocking, your videos is inspiration. Thanksssssss.
@@AndyK.23 i played at home at almost 2 with boss sd-1 in front. Sounded pretty good, but at 8 it would be crazy loud, without earplugs it's insane to play at these volumes, even at much lower.
Hey Euge!!! I really dig the videos man. Just got my Marshall's JCM2000 after wanting one for longer than I care to admit, since they came out. 😆 I found that the Ultra Gain Red channel basically sounds almost exactly like the Classic Crunch channel with an SD -1. Switching back and forth. It's like they baked in an SD-1 in the Ultra Red Channel. I love it, unless you want tighten it up a little bit. Been even then, I feel it's a compromise and you lose a little bit of the original tone. Mine came with some JJ 34L's. I freaking hated them in the amp. Almost sounded broken to me (even with a good bias). I put in some Svetlana EL34's...100% times better!!! Only problem is a little loser low end. I really want to try some KT77's. I hear they're the best of both worlds. Any opinions on which power tubes have a tighter low end? (not 34 L 🤮) I'm curious about the JJ EL34 ll as well. Just tried out the JJ ECC83MG's in the pre-amp section, which are just mid-gain ECC83's. I really really like them. 👍
@@EugeValovirta230V 😄 Sorry for the long-winded explanation. All I really wanted to say, was that in the DSL, the lead 2 Ultra channel to me, sounds like it already has an SD-1 infront of it with the drive all the way up (which I think they do with a tube instead off a diode). I tend to really love the Marshall tone without a drive. But I hate the loose low end and prefer the playability of a drive. I'm basically trying to achieve a tight Marshall sound by changing tubes around instead of using a drive. 😅 I'm gonna try putting the drive in front of lead 1 like you do to see if I can strike a good balance. Your 2203 set-up sounds fxxking killer dude! 👊
Hey, amazing tones and playing! Could you tell your settings that you used for dsl in this video? I have one and want to try to get similar sound with sd-1, thanks!
I think when you consider, you're lucky to pickup an 800 either brand new or used for less that €1000, but you can get the 2000 for about €300, they're pretty close.
DSL50 owner here, would you give up the nice clean channel and “being close” and sell for an 800? I’m an 80’s baby mind you, I can easily be persuaded 😆🤘🏻
800 is my favourite amp so yes 😎. And you can actually get really nice clean tones by plugging into the low input. And when adding an ABY switcher in front of the amp and from that to both inputs you have pretty much a two channel amp 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V interesting, I did not know you could do that as a trick for a second channel and will have to try! Thank you! Dying to try one out now, and will soon. Really does sound so beast and heavy punching (more mids). I did want to ask, for an early 80’s JCM 800 without an effects loop, how are you running delay? Would you recommend the 2203x? Thanks for all you do and share, and rock on brother!! 🔥🤘🏻💪🏻
Cool! I’m not 😎. I add all time based effects, if needed, as track inserts or fx / aux sends in DAW when recording & mixing which is a standard anyways. If you print / record a delay etc. to the track there’s nothing you can do it afterwards. Thanks!
@@EugeValovirta230V ah! Makes sense, thanks! Do you ever miss having delay while using the JCM 800 live? Probably not because the thing breathes fire :)
I haven’t used old school tube amps live since 2017 but I didn’t miss. Our FOH took care of delays (for the solos) if he felt the need. I use BluGuitar’s AMP1 Iridium nowadays and I have dly in the loop which I sometimes kick in for solos 👌.
Hey Euge, which tubes you recomend for 800, i recently bought 2203x and now i'm looking forward how to make it more agressive, also have DSL20HR but 800 is beast.
I have JJ ECC83S preamp tubes on all my amps and power tubes are from different brands. I think I have Svetlana EL34s on one 800, Tung-Sol 6550s on one 800 and TAD 6550s on one 👌😎. If I remember correct my TSL has Svetlana EL34s. The easiest way though to make 800 more aggressive is to boost it with an overdrive like BOSS SD-1 for example 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V but still, quite impressive amount of gain you get out of the stock 800. Is that your choice of preamp tubes you think? Active pickups are of course already a bit boosted tone, from the guitar alone... Interesting these small differences. The poweramp tubes also not stock 800. I think is a good combination. 👍
That 800 has to be modded. I had the smaller 20 watt and didn’t have barely any gain. I tried the hot rod mod adding a tube and sounded like crap. Got my dsl and instantly satisfied. Dsl for me. Yes over evh 5150s too
It’s basically a stock. I’ve played with probably 100 different 800s and they’re all different; some are bad ass (like this one) and some not 😎. But the key is to crank the master until the power tubes start to really work & distort a bit. Then 800 becomes alive 💪. These Scandinavian editions are the most bad ass I’ve played. Here’s some more info if you’re interested: th-cam.com/video/5I6nTYCEpVs/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/5s-Dd9C-tno/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/_OSB1TkIx3o/w-d-xo.html
True. But I have to say incase any bedroom players read this. The 1 watt dsl is great and goes down to 1/2 watt. Marshalls do have to be turned up and this allows it. And by the way you are a great plaayer and loved your video you did on dime bag and your stuff on zakk wylde. My 2 favorites of all time. My first concert ever was zakk in 1988 or 89. Made me pick up the guitar and never stopped since. 👍
There’s some really good and affordable power attenuators nowadays which you can play with only headphones if you want and still have the amp cranked 👌😎. Thanks! 🙏
@@EugeValovirta230V where it is? i mean im gonna buy one this weekend(i'm really hyped :D) but at the photos of amplifier i haven't found it, i have only seen "normal" volume
Well master volume is just not volume but how hard the power tubes are being driven. Usually tube amps don’t sound very powerful (=good) if you don’t drive / push the power amp tubes enough and when you do push them it’s really loud but man it sounds good so I’d recommend an attenuator. I did a video about this a while ago: th-cam.com/video/zX3f0aetMF8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XjEcpUmasiPd31-m
I think the DSL is my least favorite Marshall. It is a very flexible head but it isn't really the best at anything. I much prefer a 2555 or even a JCM900.
@@EugeValovirta230V I love the 2203. I do admit the 2203 is maybe not as suited for low volumes as the DSL. Personally I like the jubilee the best but the 2203 is the standard. I can absolutely play a show with a DSL and get a great sound.
I cant hear a difference, I though I had, but then I quickly switch back from 800 to 2000 in the video, and then I hear the same sound. So The cleans of the 2000 make the dsl win the battle, to me
@@EugeValovirta230V I love 800 of course and JVM205H 50 Watts.It's gonna probably my next amp.DSL are a classic since long time.You say that 800 are better Euge.The DSL it's 800 tone but with overdrive inside.
Quite different amp design but whatever man 😎. I like ’em both and have played tens (probably hundreds) of different 800s & 2000s (as rental backline) during the years on many tours & festivals all over the world. I own a TSL100 and it’s a great amp but, like I said, 2000s & 800s are quite different amps. But when you crank ’em like a mofo they do sound pretty similar like on this one: th-cam.com/video/zoU3i34go-s/w-d-xo.html Because hey, they’re all Marshalls 🤟😎.
JCM 800s suck. No gain whatsoever for metal, you couldn't get a good enough sound plugging straight in, it struggled to do so but didn't quite make it. Everybody I knew that played them in the 80s bitched about not having enough gain and wanted them modded but couldn't afford it. Its amazing that everybody now worships these amps that so many thought sucked back then when there are so many good amps out now with high gain. We would have shit our pants to have the JCM2000 back in 88. The whole 800 craze is totally a bandwagon thing.
Can’t argue with personal preferences. It’s great that there are so many amps, especially nowadays, that pretty much anyone could afford to buy a decent amp that gets the job done for themselves and can enjoy creating & playing music. Especially guitar 😎. It’s wonderful isn’t it 😊👌.
@@michaelolvera7490 yeah. Modded to the max.. Don't let Kerry King bullshit you and his signature model isn't stock either. Plus the Boss eq boost is always on which gives at least 30 to 40 dB on the front end. Modded 800s are great sure. My band opened for Slayer in Cleveland several times in the 80s and I played through his rig at soundcheck, same as I did Gary Holt's Jubilee when he was in Exodus back then too. Both were ridiculously modified. I've played enough of them on ten to know you can't get that kind of gain for rhythms out of them. All the famous players bullshitted about their Marshall's not being modified, even Eddie did that.
I still prefer my old stock 800s from 80s boosted with BOSS SD-1: those clean up really nice when SD off and roll down gtrs volume and to add a bit more punch I just kick in the SD and use as little gain as I dare. I’ve had a few (gain) modded ones but didn’t like them: too much gain, too little clarity, didn’t clean up so well.
JCM800s suck compared to JCM2000. The comparison is ridiculous. Now gang up on me and preach your sermons about how wrong I am. Jump on that bandwagon.
Can’t argue with personal preferences. I’ve been really glad that many people think that they suck, especially when real hi gain amps first came, ’cos I was able to buy 800s really cheap. The highest price I paid for one back in the day was 300€ 😎. I like the amps a lot and I don’t quite understand why anybody would care what other people like? Have a great day man!
@@EugeValovirta230V I don't care what others like, but I do care about evolved next gen, objectively superior amps that have fewer limitations, more versatility and higher gain being denigrated in favor of the now sacrosanct, holier than thou, get on your knees and worship, jcm800, which I don't believe is that great of an Amp, is one dimensional and requires noisy external devices to artificially coax an acceptable amount of gain. I'm tired of all the trendy jcm800 bandwagon worship of a fairly limited, overrated Amp while better, technologically advanced amps never seem to compare to the impractical almost unusable jcm800. I could never get a good sound out of one of them at realistic volume levels and everybody I knew in the 80s wished they had it modded or a different higher gain amp
Good😎. I like them a lot and been using them from the 90s and always get the sound I want. I have other amps too and have used many amps on the many albums I’ve recorded during my career and I always sound like me. I guess it’s not about the gear but what you do with it. On my latest solo album I used a few 800s, 1987x, 2000 TSL and 5150 and they sound great and did the job 😎. Here’s a video I did about the matter if you’re interested: th-cam.com/video/JmXa_giKL9c/w-d-xo.html
@@EugeValovirta230V wow I watched your videos, I'm going to subscribe. Obviously you're going to be able to coax greater sounds of an Amp with lesser gain than most others like me who have to have the extra gain to get a sound, just like when other players at sound check got plugged into Eddie's original rig but they couldn't make it sound like he did. If you give a grand prix driver a stock Chevrolet he would outrun most anybody else if they were driving a race car
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DSL seems more compressed but still sounds really good. 800 has more life, more openness yet aggressive, amazing top “sizzle” along with amazing note definition. Great demo!
Exactly \m/. Glad to hear! Thanks!
I hear that too. The 800 just sounds ready to be on a record as is. 😄 I feel like the Ultra red channel with the sd-1 is to much. The classic Crunch channel with sd-1 sounds a little more open I think.
Killer playing man!!! That's how a good comparison is done, showing the settings and playing the same riffs.
Happy owner of a JCM 2000 dsl 100 here
Thanks!
I have a JCM2000 and i was watching this to see if i should upgrade and honestly i dont think I will. I do love the tone i get with my amp and i dont think the JCM800 is enough of an improvement to warrant the purchase. So thank you! Awesome playing too!
The original UK made 2000s are great. I own a TSL and it’s a work horse; tones from crystal clean to über heavy 💪👌.
Glad to hear & thanks!
Same here and I have a couple buddies with jcm800s they swear by them but I don’t think it warrants it and I wouldn’t even necessarily call it an upgrade and new tubes and a choke in the dsl make it a lot better!
@@Dustiehippoexactly save yourself the money and get a choke and some new transistors in your dsl and make it crushing. Check out mercury magnetics !
SO GLAD to see more demos and comparison of the JCM2K DSL50/100 series.
They may not be the favorite of guitar techs, but they sound DAMN good.
Glad to hear!
Indeed 👌.
As a person who just bought the jcm800 2203 with the 1960 4x12 cabinet, brand new for 3,200… i love this video, cheers from Los Angeles Hollywood
That’s the way 😎💪. Cheers!
I dug them both! These Marshall shoot out videos have been killer man! Thank you!
Cool! Thanks!
Y'know what... When you boost them with the SD-1, they sound almost identical. That pedal (or a good Tubescreamer) is really the secret sauce for Marshall amps.
For any amp 😎👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V thanks
If you want to get the dsl to sound EXACTLY like the 800, you have to boost the green clean crunch chanel. The red chanel had less definition and more fizzle. Try it and you will be blown away. Make sure clean chanel is in crunch (button in) and set gain to around 2 oclock.
It’s pretty close indeed but the real deal is always the real deal 😎.
Agreed it has a lot more head room and a lot more open sounding like the 800 but still can’t beat the tight compressed red channel tones for certain applications
The dsl sounds good, until you switch to the 800...
The 800 just has.... more! More Marshall!
Great sounds and playing once again. Great to see someone showing the real deal, instead of all the wannabe Marshalls that cost twice as much. Marshall should put you and Johan on the payroll! Rock on Euge!
Indeed! Thanks Peter!
Waiting for the endorsement, eagerly 😎
Euge Valovirta you deserve it!
Totally agree Pete....why ramble on about tech stuff....just cut to business....
👌💪😎
Both sound fantastic, as is the playing. Brilliant!
Thanks Rick!
Cool video as usual . Always informative and to the point . The great playing makes it even better ! Through the years , 800's , 900's (SLX + DR's) , a few DSL's and now I've landed on a KILLER TSL100 . Marshall is home for me . Rock-on Euge , great channel , classy style my friend .
Thanks!
They sound so close and yes the 800 wins at getting that one tone. The 2000 get's close plus a fantastic clean channel, foot switchable, effects loop, and way more gain. But again, for that 1 Tone nothing beats an 800! 2203/4, not the 2205/10. Fantastic video comparison. Just discovered your channel and digging it! Keep em coming!
Indeed.
Thanks! Really glad to hear!
I agree Alan.....(although I play a dsl 50)....the 800 is plug in and whooooooh hold on boys & girls.
No need for FX.
after owning many amps (cornford, few mesas, bogner, few marshalls, fender, vht ... and some more) I came across 2203 1983 and I finally realized what having fun with an amp means. Nothing beats the old jcm800
I agree.
Love the Amorphis t shirt! And great demo as usual.
Thanks! Glad to hear!
To my ears the 800 has a fuller fatter sound but the DSL handled the sd1 just a little bit better. It sounded less muddy than the 800 due to it having a thinner sound without the boost. Both awesome amps. The best sound i ever got out of a Marshall was plugging in my les paul straight into a 50 watt 2204 with 6550's... Man I wanted to steal that amp! Awesome playing and awesome video thanks man!🤘
Thanks Alex!
Both great amps . Nice demo
Love your videos man when you make those amp chag and scream, you good ambassador for Marshall amps.
Keep it metal 🤘🤘🤘
Glad to hear! Thanks I will! 🤘
Great vid! Thanks
Great video , he makes both amps sound really good! But my personal experience with various Marshall amps? I see alot of people in the comments section favoring the 800? I bought my jcm800 2203 new in the late 80's , back then everybody hated them? I was even told a few times back then that only a plexi was a 'real' marshall?? I was looking for more gain than the plexi and the jcm800 had more.... But still not enough ( for me )? It needed boosted ( ts-9 ) or something else? I found something else , but still wanted a Marshall in the fold , so I got a jcm900 sl-x ? It had more gain than the 800 but didn't really sound like I wanted? My last and final Marshall I will own is a jcm2000 dsl50 , If your good with changing settings it can sound exactly like an 800 for old ( AC/DC ) tones , But it also has higher gain settings and can get really good and if that's not enough for you,the jcm2000 dsl is pedal friendly ,you can go as heavy as you want! And the jcm2000 series are still cheap , for now?
Thanks!
My favourite has always been 800 2203 boosted with Boss SD-1. Pretty classic but works every time 💪😎.
Aloha Braddah and thanks for the demo! Awesome technique too Brah! Mahalo nui loa for sharing again!
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Both sound great. I use a DSL as a practice amp and perform with a 2204. I like the new 20 watter, glad I bought one before the prices got out of hand
Great video. Very good comparison. I agree, the 2203/2204’s along with the original super leads are the best amps Marshall ever made. The DSL sounds pretty good but doesn’t have the depth and 3D sound of an 800. The DSL also has an annoying top end screechy sound.
Cheers
Thanks! Indeed 👌
You are making me want to get another 2203 LOL. Love your videos man! Keep them coming.
Good😎. Thanks man!
I would love to see a comparison with your jcm800 and a laney GL series amp.
If I ever get my hands on one then for sure 🤟.
Nice playing bro!! 👊
Thanks!
Great video dude. I'm definitely a JCM800 guy (or Marshall in general). My impression from your vid... DSL is VERY good, but 2203 is just magical. Question - what's your opinion about 2203 vs 2204 sound wise? Just wondering if the 2203 sound can be captured by something smaller/lower powered. Cheers!
Thanks! I agree👍.
They’re pretty much the same IMO. And I’ve heard that the new 20w studio series is really good too. But of course 100w is always a 100w and the sheer power (not just the volume) is unbeatable 👊😎.
The tubes make a big difference in the DSL's bottom end... KT's are known for the bigger bottom end, almost like 6L6's. I never played or owned a 6550 tube amp, do they compare more the 6L6 or EL flavor? The DSL doens't sound bad at all since I like the 6L6 tone. But the 800 as a more in your face punch that I prefer in this A/B. I wonder if the DSL with EL's would change its voicing. Awesome as always.
6550s are basically ”military grade” EL34s. A bit more sturdy and bigger headroom so the low end stays a bit tighter when cranked 💪.
Yeah, a big difference with KT77 tubes:) Best upgrade for a Dsl JCM2000 ever, a more chunky green channel. It was my "secret" crunch weapon for many many gigs for years, only used the green channel (crunch). I started using JJ KT77 in my DSL head in 2007 or 2008 and will never use other kinds of power tubes in that amp, will not ever go back to EL34 in it..even though I love EL34 tubes/sound generally (biasing is easy on that amp on its backside, check out "Eurotubes" website). Many couldn't believe how good that crunch sound was for a DSL with a SG special and a V30 4x12, acdc type of hard riffing. My Jcm800 2203 and 2204 with EL34 are also favorites but might have an amp tech to put 6550 tubes in one of them (maybe a Frank Levi 34 mod as well). Anyways all of them keepers. DSL JCM2000 is underrated but a killer amp I think. Rocknroll ! Cheers from Norway
@@EugeValovirta230V Awesome channel and playing Euge! Your 2203 "badboy" is killer! I really consider changing to 6550 tubes in my 2203x.
@@EugeValovirta230V Hei fra Norge. Rocknroll
The Bad Boy kind of Rules....! Differences diminishes though when SD-1 is used on both
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Hi Euge, I just discovered your videos and I think they're great! You are such a great player and your videos are very informative. I just subscribed to your channel. Keep up the great videos!
On the subject of this particular video, I used to own a JCM900 and exchanged it for JCM2000 about 20 years ago since I felt like the JCM2000 had more channel/sound options than the 900. I noticed in your video that you have the JCM2000 on the Ultra Gain channel however I personally prefer playing it on the Classic Gain channel and using my overdrive pedals for the gain (mostly tube screamer and/or OCD pedal). I feel like the distortion sounds better to me that way. Something about the way the overdrive pedals push the amp's clean channel...sounds more organic to me. Do you have any thoughts/preferences on this?
Thanks again for the great content!
Thanks! I use OD for the gain also.
The 2000 isn't my amp but just borrowed it to make a few videos :-)
For me, sadly, the JCM800 is better than the JCM2000, as I own a DSL40C. I'm guessing the 800 has more upper low frequencies left in the gain stages which saturates the tubes and makes palm mutes sustain and sound more fluid. This helps the fundamental note come through cleaner and even makes the guitar feel easier to play. This is just a theory though. When you turn up the gain on a rectifier the guitar practically plays itself and that amp leaves tons of lows in the gain stages.
Two are amazing my friend!!!!
Yeah!
Did Marshall change the newer DSL's? You said this one has KT77 Power Amp Tubes... I had a DSL100 that I bought brand new back around 2004 and it had EL34's.
I think this was an older one and probably someone had them changed afterwards.
@@EugeValovirta230V Cool cool, thanks! Keep rockin' Bro!
Please buy or borrow the dsl100h to compare to the jcm2000 dsl and the jcm800
Maybe someday but on the other hand that DSL wasn’t mine either and I had it only a few days so...😊
@@EugeValovirta230V oh okay compare it to the tsl, when you get the chance then.
Review jcm 900 high gain dual reverb please thanks
If I get my hands on one then definitely!
Thanks!!
Yes I'd love to see that too
2000 is a great amp. The clean channel with the crunch pushed in sounds great too.
And of Ethel 800 is great.
Indeed!
I got the JCM 2000 DSL only because the JCM 800s are too expensive.
But to be honest, putting a cheap Klon clone in front of it just as a boost gives it a really sweet voice if I do say so myself ;)
Both are great amps indeed and boosted with an OD even better 👌😊.
I have dsl 20 HR and I like it with the Klon Centaur clone as overdrive in front of it it gives it the oompf :)
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Great comparation . Both amps are great . I think i like more the JCM800 here , but the DSL seems to be very good .
Please do another video with a comparation between the vintage JCM800 vs Engl Blackmore .
Can you tell me please your opinion wich of those amps (JCM800 vintage or Engl Blackmore) is the best for power metal music like Stratovarius , Timo Tolkki , Hammerfall , Helloween , Edguy , that kind of stuff ? I mean the gain from vintage JCM800 boosted is tight enough for that kind of music ?
JCM800 boosted with SD-1 is great for anything rock/heavy/metal stuff IMO 😎.
If I get my hands someday on ENGL Blackmore then sure!
@@EugeValovirta230V I always thought that boosted Marshall sound is better for US trash metal sound like Metallica , Megadeth , and also very good for British heavy metal like Iron Maiden or Judas Priest or the 80's metal sound like those hair metal bands from the 80's .
I don't know why but i always had the perception that the signature sound of european power metal bands like Stratovarius / Timo Tolkki , Helloween , Hammerfall , Edguy , Avantasia , Nightwish and even the Jake E. previous band Amaranthe , was and always will be the Engl amps. sound . Maybe also the Mesa Dual Rectifier boosted with a TS or something will fit that also very good for the european power metal style .
To be honest it’s not that much about the gear but the player’s hands. I’ve used a lot of different gear during my career on many albums but I always sound like myself 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V That is very true , the gear is important to have a good sound but 80% i think it comes from the player . If we look at Y.J. Malmsteen for example , in his good old days from the 80's , those 50 watt Plexi / JMP style Marshall amps don't have much gain and sustain , and are very hard to play and those pickups DiMarzio HS3 on his Strat are very low output , but even though he had a great tone because he knows how to play , he knows how to make that guitar & amp sound good . The magic of the tone is in his hands .
Exactly 👌😊
Make more vids with the jcm2000 please
Hi Jesus! I’ve done a bunch of videos with this DSL that I borrowed from a friend and with my own TSL but will surely use my TSL in the future 😎👌.
800 seems less defined, and had less harmonics; especially when you switched on the OD. I'm surprised, but I think I prefer the DSL....
Both are great amps and I've used both a lot. Especially on tours.
Hey Euge, what model is that Tokai "Love Rock"? Is it the LS60? What year? Sounds KILLER!
Hey man! No idea except that is MIJ. Don’t remember the year and can’t check it out since I’m on tour and the guitar is in my studio.
Hi, I have a jcm 2000 Limited Edition LC it always have problems, pre tubes that turn of & destroyed cheap pots but I love the sound of it so much, can I find superior quality in a jcm800, what year of production do u suggest ? is a 800 handwired ?
If you like the sound my suggestion is take it to maintenance. I usually take my amps to a qualified amp tech regularly ’cos tube amps (especially my old 800s) needs regular maintenance like old cars.
I can’t suggest any year ’cos all amps, especially old Marshalls could differ a lot from each other. I’ve played tens, probably hundreds, of 800s during my career (rental backline on festivals, fly in shows etc.) and some have been fantastic and some not 😎. The new re-issues are really solid so if you don’t have a change of trying before buying I’d go with the new ones.
But of you happen to find a mid 80s Scandinavian edition I’d go for that ’cos they’re the most badass 800s I’ve ever played and I have two of them 😎.
th-cam.com/video/5I6nTYCEpVs/w-d-xo.html
We need you to get your hands on a JMP 2203.
Indeed! I had one long time ago and would be cool to play one after a long time.
@@EugeValovirta230V Saw a '82 half stack for sale today. Not sure if they do anything different than the JCMs.
If I remember correct mine was quite the same than the vertical input 800s.
Is the DEEP button pressed on the jcm2000? I don't have that much bass on my amp without this button.
Yes
I should have put headphones on. Seemed to me like the 800 had a more rounded low end, does that seem right? I'm not familiar with any of those power tubes - could they have contributed to the difference? Anyway both amps sounded killer. Great comparison!
That is correct. A bit I think. Yes they do 💪. Thanks!
Euge.....I think we all agree....800 has "IT".....the dsl is the poor mans 800.....enjoyed watching your vid...👍
Indeed 💪.
I got the Studio Version JCM800 and the DSL20, both 20W. Fantastic Amps! 20W is also enough for me because i can crank it a lot more to get that typical Sound Marahall is known for from the good old days
Indeed! Especially the 800 👌💪.
@@EugeValovirta230V i actually play the DSL a lot more because the Sound is a bit more compressed with a little bit more on the low end what fits my style of music a bit better. Playing lots of modern rock in the past, the 800 doesnt fit that type of Sound very well. I think the DSL is just a better allrounder if u will, giving you more types of sounds at half the price. The DSL is 400€, the 800 is almost 900€ here is Germany. I could get a DSL100 AND a decent Cabinet for around that price which is kinda heavy
Personal preferences 👌😎. I use 800 for everything: blues, country, rock, metal etc. and haven’t found a better amp 💪😊.
I just did a video about the DSL20 and will publish it today or tomorrow.
@@EugeValovirta230V already subscribed and turned on notifications! 🤘
Awesome! Thanks man! 🙏
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I have a 2000 DSL 100, I love it !!! But that 800 does have a little more aggression, head end, definition. However, when boosted they sounded almost dead on. I hope to upgrade to the 800 one day when I have about $3k sitting around but I am happy with that 2000 in the mean time, it rocks hard too.
Yeah! Great amps 👌🤟.
In a mix I think many people would be fooled by the 2000. I have a 100 watt, and had a 50 and I just love them. I prefer the 2000 to 800, they have more gain and I can do death metal on it.
Wouldn't the Classic Gain channel be a better comparison than the Ultra High Gain channel?
I've owned both. Got rid of the 800 2 years ago. It was just too dam loud and no effects loop was a big deal to me. However the next day after I sold it, I wanted it back and still miss it to this day. That being said the 2000 is much more versitile. Footswitchable to a fantastic clean channel. It has way more gain than the 800. A deeper bottom end. Plus switch to the green channel with an SD-1 it's thick and meaty. Great demo bro. The 800 does one thing and it's the best at it but it will kill your ears. By the way where did you get that NYC picture in the backgound?
Thanks! Indeed 👌💪. Can’t remember but I ordered it via some website years ago 😎
Euge, me again :) I just bought a jcm 2000 dsl 100w 2009, last year of production. Loved the amp. Strange question, do you think the dsl red channel is kind artificial drive? Less texture than 800? I have a laney vh100r it's a crunch monster. I think marshall really cuts the mix perfect. A month ago bought a jcm 800 mini, didn't liked, I think its a little tiny sound, different to 100w. Thankssssss, love your playing and tone.
Cool! Can’t remember anymore but on my TSL I mainly use the green channel boosted with SD-1. That’s pretty close to 800 😎💪. Thanks man!
@@EugeValovirta230V thanks Euge :) one thing that make me choose the dsl 2000 is that seems can play in bed room volume levels, the great 2203 is much louder. Thanks for your tip, I have a mxr custom badass overdrive, I think will try sd1 like you :) dude, I'm your fan, keep rocking, your videos is inspiration. Thanksssssss.
Indeed 👌. Thanks man!
@@EugeValovirta230V yesterday changed the pre amp tubes, this makes the dsl more bottom end and a little more vintage and fuller :)
Great shoot out, and playing! If you can crank a 100 watt DSL to 8 on the master, it sounds killer. If not, way more fizz and less punch than the 800.
Thanks! Yeah!
Hey. You mean hour or number? Thanks.
@@Mindaugas.R I meant 8 out of 10 - or any volume passed half way.
@@AndyK.23 i played at home at almost 2 with boss sd-1 in front. Sounded pretty good, but at 8 it would be crazy loud, without earplugs it's insane to play at these volumes, even at much lower.
But would you say that 800 is more manageable at lower volumes?
compare the JCM800 to newer DSL HR series
I don’t take orders.
That 800 has that 80s tone down. Could it be the 6550s? Nice amp. It's like it has a clear and articulate distortion.
Indeed! 👌💪
Hey Euge!!! I really dig the videos man.
Just got my Marshall's JCM2000 after wanting one for longer than I care to admit, since they came out. 😆 I found that the Ultra Gain Red channel basically sounds almost exactly like the Classic Crunch channel with an SD -1. Switching back and forth. It's like they baked in an SD-1 in the Ultra Red Channel. I love it, unless you want tighten it up a little bit. Been even then, I feel it's a compromise and you lose a little bit of the original tone.
Mine came with some JJ 34L's. I freaking hated them in the amp. Almost sounded broken to me (even with a good bias). I put in some Svetlana EL34's...100% times better!!! Only problem is a little loser low end. I really want to try some KT77's. I hear they're the best of both worlds.
Any opinions on which power tubes have a tighter low end? (not 34 L 🤮) I'm curious about the JJ EL34 ll as well.
Just tried out the JJ ECC83MG's in the pre-amp section, which are just mid-gain ECC83's. I really really like them. 👍
Cool man!
I haven’t paid much attention. Whatever my go to amp tech puts in I’m fine 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V 😆
@@EugeValovirta230V 😄 Sorry for the long-winded explanation. All I really wanted to say, was that in the DSL, the lead 2 Ultra channel to me, sounds like it already has an SD-1 infront of it with the drive all the way up (which I think they do with a tube instead off a diode).
I tend to really love the Marshall tone without a drive. But I hate the loose low end and prefer the playability of a drive. I'm basically trying to achieve a tight Marshall sound by changing tubes around instead of using a drive. 😅
I'm gonna try putting the drive in front of lead 1 like you do to see if I can strike a good balance. Your 2203 set-up sounds fxxking killer dude! 👊
Hey, amazing tones and playing! Could you tell your settings that you used for dsl in this video? I have one and want to try to get similar sound with sd-1, thanks!
Thanks! Oh I have no idea. I don’t pay attention to any knobs but just use my ears and focus on the sound itself 👌.
The 800 are not more aggressive Euge.You don't have the same tubes in the DSL.
😁😁😁 sure 👍
HECK YES
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how about jcm 900 ???
do you have compare that?
I haven’t but as soon as I get my hands on one then absolutely 👌.
I think when you consider, you're lucky to pickup an 800 either brand new or used for less that €1000, but you can get the 2000 for about €300, they're pretty close.
Indeed 👌
DSL50 owner here, would you give up the nice clean channel and “being close” and sell for an 800? I’m an 80’s baby mind you, I can easily be persuaded 😆🤘🏻
800 is my favourite amp so yes 😎. And you can actually get really nice clean tones by plugging into the low input. And when adding an ABY switcher in front of the amp and from that to both inputs you have pretty much a two channel amp 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V interesting, I did not know you could do that as a trick for a second channel and will have to try! Thank you! Dying to try one out now, and will soon. Really does sound so beast and heavy punching (more mids). I did want to ask, for an early 80’s JCM 800 without an effects loop, how are you running delay? Would you recommend the 2203x? Thanks for all you do and share, and rock on brother!! 🔥🤘🏻💪🏻
Cool!
I’m not 😎. I add all time based effects, if needed, as track inserts or fx / aux sends in DAW when recording & mixing which is a standard anyways. If you print / record a delay etc. to the track there’s nothing you can do it afterwards.
Thanks!
@@EugeValovirta230V ah! Makes sense, thanks! Do you ever miss having delay while using the JCM 800 live? Probably not because the thing breathes fire :)
I haven’t used old school tube amps live since 2017 but I didn’t miss. Our FOH took care of delays (for the solos) if he felt the need. I use BluGuitar’s AMP1 Iridium nowadays and I have dly in the loop which I sometimes kick in for solos 👌.
Jcm2000 🤗🤗🤗
Ok. You are officially my hero. Just sayin
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To my ear bass is blown out on the 800. The dsl is grinding better. Just my 2 cents.
Hey Euge, which tubes you recomend for 800, i recently bought 2203x and now i'm looking forward how to make it more agressive, also have DSL20HR but 800 is beast.
I have JJ ECC83S preamp tubes on all my amps and power tubes are from different brands. I think I have Svetlana EL34s on one 800, Tung-Sol 6550s on one 800 and TAD 6550s on one 👌😎.
If I remember correct my TSL has Svetlana EL34s.
The easiest way though to make 800 more aggressive is to boost it with an overdrive like BOSS SD-1 for example 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V but still, quite impressive amount of gain you get out of the stock 800. Is that your choice of preamp tubes you think? Active pickups are of course already a bit boosted tone, from the guitar alone... Interesting these small differences. The poweramp tubes also not stock 800. I think is a good combination. 👍
TOP, whats speaker?
Can’t remember what IR I used but if I didn’t mention it on the video it’s written in the description 👌😎.
Jcm 2000. Ultimate hair metal machine
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They sound almost identical.
Pepita is back :) You tried not to "overdrive" him ;)
Indeed! No I didn’t 😎
Which one do you prefer? TSL or DSL?
TSL since the clean channel is awesome.
That 800 has to be modded. I had the smaller 20 watt and didn’t have barely any gain. I tried the hot rod mod adding a tube and sounded like crap. Got my dsl and instantly satisfied. Dsl for me. Yes over evh 5150s too
It’s basically a stock. I’ve played with probably 100 different 800s and they’re all different; some are bad ass (like this one) and some not 😎. But the key is to crank the master until the power tubes start to really work & distort a bit. Then 800 becomes alive 💪.
These Scandinavian editions are the most bad ass I’ve played. Here’s some more info if you’re interested:
th-cam.com/video/5I6nTYCEpVs/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/5s-Dd9C-tno/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/_OSB1TkIx3o/w-d-xo.html
True. But I have to say incase any bedroom players read this. The 1 watt dsl is great and goes down to 1/2 watt. Marshalls do have to be turned up and this allows it. And by the way you are a great plaayer and loved your video you did on dime bag and your stuff on zakk wylde. My 2 favorites of all time. My first concert ever was zakk in 1988 or 89. Made me pick up the guitar and never stopped since. 👍
There’s some really good and affordable power attenuators nowadays which you can play with only headphones if you want and still have the amp cranked 👌😎.
Thanks! 🙏
Great amp 👆🙂
The best amp 👇😃
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Hallo, has Jcm 2000 dsl 100 master volume?
Yes
@@EugeValovirta230V where it is? i mean im gonna buy one this weekend(i'm really hyped :D) but at the photos of amplifier i haven't found it, i have only seen "normal" volume
That's it. The only Marshall amps that doesn't have a master volume are the different Plexis (1987x, SLP, JTM). Cool!@@retdett_8528
@@EugeValovirta230V o that's cool, cause i dont have to buy attenuator, thank you :D
Well master volume is just not volume but how hard the power tubes are being driven. Usually tube amps don’t sound very powerful (=good) if you don’t drive / push the power amp tubes enough and when you do push them it’s really loud but man it sounds good so I’d recommend an attenuator.
I did a video about this a while ago: th-cam.com/video/zX3f0aetMF8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XjEcpUmasiPd31-m
i like my 2000 better than anything.
The 800 sounds better to my ears.
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I think the DSL is my least favorite Marshall. It is a very flexible head but it isn't really the best at anything. I much prefer a 2555 or even a JCM900.
It’s a good amp and I’ve used one on many tours with Shining but obviously 800 2203 is the GOAT 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V I love the 2203. I do admit the 2203 is maybe not as suited for low volumes as the DSL. Personally I like the jubilee the best but the 2203 is the standard. I can absolutely play a show with a DSL and get a great sound.
That is true indeed. Jube is great too! 👌
I cant hear a difference, I though I had, but then I quickly switch back from 800 to 2000 in the video, and then I hear the same sound. So The cleans of the 2000 make the dsl win the battle, to me
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A man bun?
The 800 are not better to me.There are only different.I love 2000.Try with the same tubes you gonna see.
Can’t argue with personal preferences 😉👍.
@@EugeValovirta230V I love 800 of course and JVM205H 50 Watts.It's gonna probably my next amp.DSL are a classic since long time.You say that 800 are better Euge.The DSL it's 800 tone but with overdrive inside.
Overdrive pedal inside.
Quite different amp design but whatever man 😎. I like ’em both and have played tens (probably hundreds) of different 800s & 2000s (as rental backline) during the years on many tours & festivals all over the world. I own a TSL100 and it’s a great amp but, like I said, 2000s & 800s are quite different amps.
But when you crank ’em like a mofo they do sound pretty similar like on this one: th-cam.com/video/zoU3i34go-s/w-d-xo.html
Because hey, they’re all Marshalls 🤟😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V Jim are the father of loud forever.💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
It would be nice to see one of these reviews without tunings that sound like a bunch of fucking rubber bands. E or Eb... any lower sounds like 💩
I believe the guitar was tuned to Eb / Drop Db on this one. At least that’s the tuning the guitar is usually tuned to 😎
@@EugeValovirta230V Drop D it sounds like. Maybe I'm just an old Gen Xer (54), but those down tunings just sound like rubber bands.
Regards 🎸
JCM 800s suck. No gain whatsoever for metal, you couldn't get a good enough sound plugging straight in, it struggled to do so but didn't quite make it. Everybody I knew that played them in the 80s bitched about not having enough gain and wanted them modded but couldn't afford it. Its amazing that everybody now worships these amps that so many thought sucked back then when there are so many good amps out now with high gain. We would have shit our pants to have the JCM2000 back in 88. The whole 800 craze is totally a bandwagon thing.
Can’t argue with personal preferences.
It’s great that there are so many amps, especially nowadays, that pretty much anyone could afford to buy a decent amp that gets the job done for themselves and can enjoy creating & playing music. Especially guitar 😎. It’s wonderful isn’t it 😊👌.
@@michaelolvera7490 yeah. Modded to the max.. Don't let Kerry King bullshit you and his signature model isn't stock either. Plus the Boss eq boost is always on which gives at least 30 to 40 dB on the front end. Modded 800s are great sure. My band opened for Slayer in Cleveland several times in the 80s and I played through his rig at soundcheck, same as I did Gary Holt's Jubilee when he was in Exodus back then too. Both were ridiculously modified. I've played enough of them on ten to know you can't get that kind of gain for rhythms out of them. All the famous players bullshitted about their Marshall's not being modified, even Eddie did that.
@@EugeValovirta230V that's true. We didn't have shit like that in the 80s unless you could afford a Mark IIC+ or a Soldano.
I still prefer my old stock 800s from 80s boosted with BOSS SD-1: those clean up really nice when SD off and roll down gtrs volume and to add a bit more punch I just kick in the SD and use as little gain as I dare.
I’ve had a few (gain) modded ones but didn’t like them: too much gain, too little clarity, didn’t clean up so well.
My friedman smokes them both
Good for you man! 😊👌
The JCM 2000 makes the JCM 800 sound like a sissy
JCM800s suck compared to JCM2000. The comparison is ridiculous. Now gang up on me and preach your sermons about how wrong I am. Jump on that bandwagon.
Can’t argue with personal preferences.
I’ve been really glad that many people think that they suck, especially when real hi gain amps first came, ’cos I was able to buy 800s really cheap. The highest price I paid for one back in the day was 300€ 😎.
I like the amps a lot and I don’t quite understand why anybody would care what other people like? Have a great day man!
@@EugeValovirta230V I don't care what others like, but I do care about evolved next gen, objectively superior amps that have fewer limitations, more versatility and higher gain being denigrated in favor of the now sacrosanct, holier than thou, get on your knees and worship, jcm800, which I don't believe is that great of an Amp, is one dimensional and requires noisy external devices to artificially coax an acceptable amount of gain. I'm tired of all the trendy jcm800 bandwagon worship of a fairly limited, overrated Amp while better, technologically advanced amps never seem to compare to the impractical almost unusable jcm800. I could never get a good sound out of one of them at realistic volume levels and everybody I knew in the 80s wished they had it modded or a different higher gain amp
Good😎.
I like them a lot and been using them from the 90s and always get the sound I want. I have other amps too and have used many amps on the many albums I’ve recorded during my career and I always sound like me. I guess it’s not about the gear but what you do with it.
On my latest solo album I used a few 800s, 1987x, 2000 TSL and 5150 and they sound great and did the job 😎. Here’s a video I did about the matter if you’re interested: th-cam.com/video/JmXa_giKL9c/w-d-xo.html
@@EugeValovirta230V wow I watched your videos, I'm going to subscribe. Obviously you're going to be able to coax greater sounds of an Amp with lesser gain than most others like me who have to have the extra gain to get a sound, just like when other players at sound check got plugged into Eddie's original rig but they couldn't make it sound like he did. If you give a grand prix driver a stock Chevrolet he would outrun most anybody else if they were driving a race car
Thanks man! Really glad to hear!
I agree👌😎.
Does the JCM 2000 have a master volume?
Yes.
Great vid! Thanks