I learned about the Old Copper Complex for the first time about three years ago. As a person who is deeply interested in ancient technologies, having never heard of it before that was a shock to me. You're right, essentially NO ONE talks about it, and this is chalcolythic work which is some of the earliest metal working in the world. I just made an awl and small blade from elemental copper with stone hammer and anvil to recreate their methods.
Hello Greysen. Great Lakes Copper Research (that chart you show) is my friend Dr. Don Spohn, who lives not far from me in West Michigan. There are several recorded presentations he has done and people have put on youtube. Check him out when you get a chance. He was putting out copper culture/artifact publications for a while also. Awesome finds!
Great finds young man !! Iv'e been hunting lithics and metal detecting since 69. Still have my 1st garret hunter 1 from 1970/71 B.F.O.. Decade ago while detecting a well known site in western n.y. my detector went off and found a perfect square copper piece that i call a "billet". It's 2 1/2 inch by 3 inches with perfect 90 degree angles. My 1st thought was that it was modern but there WAS a cache of 5 beautiful spear points (onondaga blue chert) with the copper billet. Never knew what to think of that find but naturally i still have everything. Very best wishes to you and yours and stay safe out there !!
Feel free to send it to me on Facebook @Greysen Reimer, can take a look at it for ya. I appreciate the support. Many more videos like these are to come!
Cool to see you finding OCC stuff, my adventure started in 2014 finding a spear point. Just got contacted by a lady who has written a couple of books on OCC and she is putting one of my finds in it. She said she misidentified it back in 2014 but now think it a very significant find, for what reason she said I have to wait till the book comes out later this year. Great find and really like you channel, living in Wisconsin like you makes me want to get in the rivers near Sheboygan and do the same.
Thanks, Would like to see the spear point you found, feel free to send me a picture of Facebook. Won’t have to wait for her book to came out, can tell you what you got.
Awesome finds! Just been hearing and learning about the copper culture in the past few months and very impressed with your history knowledge, especially for someone your age. Keep up the good work. Love seeing what you find and learning about it! I'm in Oregon. Have you ever heard of anyone finding copper artifacts here? I know the Columbia River was highly traveled by a lot of people so could be. Looking forward to your next video!
I appreciate it! I plan on doing my OCC videos in the near future. And about the Awnser to your question about OCC in Oregon, no I have not. I can guarantee you it’s there somewhere in your state, it’s all about location. Stay close to water my friend good luck.
That folded over piece you had in your hand with that conical point? Could be a mandrel? They needed a tool to pound thinner pieces of copper around it to form your conical point. Maybe they used deer antler to do same task? Put that mandrel in socket. I saw both pieces were not found in same area. Nice video! Your excitement on old copper culture is very cool. Rk.
Honestly you’re probably genius level if you can do all this research and follow through at your age (I’m already 33). Good stuff man you’re gonna go far
I am a detectorist. I lived in Delafield Wi and mainly hunt the lakes for gold rings. I have found many float copper and a few artifacts, My partner found a super nice two handed scraper hunting a lake, like to return. Have an old coworker that knows an old spot along the river where he lives. Trying to hook up for this upcoming week end for a trip back. Living in Illinois right now and have found some prairie Indian grinding stones etc.I will keep an eye out for your posts.
@@Greysen_Reimeri would like to get a couple of recommend for the equipment. My partner and I have occasion to travel the huge state of Alaska where the railroad is established and recently agreed that we should be detecting. The array of info is dizzying for newbies for detectors.
This is the best low end detector you can buy it’s a lot like my Knox 800 that I use in my videos but it’s a different brand. A few of my buddy’s have them and say they are great. Belive they rang around 400, if you’re looking to spend more get the Xnox 800 or 900 goes for around 900z
They have known for a long time that the Minoans were coming here and mining near Wisconsin thousands of years ago. The copper leaves a signature, meaning the copper from africa is a different blend of minerals than the copper from america, The Minoans copper was from here. That was why the vikings came there also, the Kensington Rune stone is an ancient artifact they deny the voracity of because it would mean that we bought the Louisiana Purchase from the French and they didn't own it. Conspiracys are not new, the official story is that after being sent west again by Thomas Jefferson on a mission to find out the truth, he came back and committed suicide, by shooting himself in the stomach and blowing the back of his head off. Sound strange? These are amazing finds , congratulations on your discoveries , good luck in the future. I would not let anyone know where I was hunting , I would get gps points of every find though , so that when you are finished , maybe some researchers can come and spend more time and find other items.Thanks for sharing!
I appreciate it, I take the cords of every artifacts I find that’s pre 1820, especially the OCC artifacts I find like in this video. I have all my sites plotted on onX hunt as well. Documentation is key to learning more about this lost history. Thanks for the support. More is to come like this in the future my friend.
Honestly during the tin age and bronze age the Europeans mine here on the east coast of what's now America and deported all kinds of metals and minerals.from the America's.
We've got a lot of obsidian arrowheads and spear points up here in the Pacific Northwest never knew there was copper arrowheads and spear points. That's pretty dang cool especially since I'm into history. What region in North America if you don't mind me asking. If I had to guess I would say East Coast probably northern part closer to Canada if not in Canada. Reason I say that is because of trades centuries ago across the water. A lot of people don't realize that people been coming to North America long before Columbus and our scholars don't want to sit there and rewrite their stupidity
I have yet to find a obsidian arrowhead, bucket lister for me for sure. Planing on coming out with some more about the OCC in North America in the near future.
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KI have never seen anyone get so excited about finding anything metal detecting before like you do, im glad for you
Copper spear points are the only thing I get excited for my friend! They only made so many.
This is crazy brother!!!
I learned about the Old Copper Complex for the first time about three years ago. As a person who is deeply interested in ancient technologies, having never heard of it before that was a shock to me. You're right, essentially NO ONE talks about it, and this is chalcolythic work which is some of the earliest metal working in the world. I just made an awl and small blade from elemental copper with stone hammer and anvil to recreate their methods.
Very cool, will be talking much more about OCC in the future.
Hello Greysen. Great Lakes Copper Research (that chart you show) is my friend Dr. Don Spohn, who lives not far from me in West Michigan. There are several recorded presentations he has done and people have put on youtube. Check him out when you get a chance. He was putting out copper culture/artifact publications for a while also. Awesome finds!
Much thanks, I’ll make sure to check him out, going to UWL next year for archeology. So wouldn’t hurt for me to watch them.
@@Greysen_Reimer Dr. Spohn is a great guy to ask questions about copper culture relics also.
I’ll keep that in mind, thanks again
Great finds young man !! Iv'e been hunting lithics and metal detecting since 69. Still have my 1st garret hunter 1 from 1970/71 B.F.O.. Decade ago while detecting a well known site in western n.y. my detector went off and found a perfect square copper piece that i call a "billet". It's 2 1/2 inch by 3 inches with perfect 90 degree angles. My 1st thought was that it was modern but there WAS a cache of 5 beautiful spear points (onondaga blue chert) with the copper billet. Never knew what to think of that find but naturally i still have everything. Very best wishes to you and yours and stay safe out there !!
Feel free to send it to me on Facebook @Greysen Reimer, can take a look at it for ya. I appreciate the support. Many more videos like these are to come!
Thankyou for another awesome video. You are doing an excellent job with your presentation and explaining
I appreciate the support Susan
Im in western Wisconsin. You ever need a grunt to dig hit me up. Great work and content
Add me on face book.
Cool to see you finding OCC stuff, my adventure started in 2014 finding a spear point. Just got contacted by a lady who has written a couple of books on OCC and she is putting one of my finds in it. She said she misidentified it back in 2014 but now think it a very significant find, for what reason she said I have to wait till the book comes out later this year. Great find and really like you channel, living in Wisconsin like you makes me want to get in the rivers near Sheboygan and do the same.
Thanks, Would like to see the spear point you found, feel free to send me a picture of Facebook. Won’t have to wait for her book to came out, can tell you what you got.
Awesome finds! Just been hearing and learning about the copper culture in the past few months and very impressed with your history knowledge, especially for someone your age. Keep up the good work. Love seeing what you find and learning about it! I'm in Oregon. Have you ever heard of anyone finding copper artifacts here? I know the Columbia River was highly traveled by a lot of people so could be. Looking forward to your next video!
I appreciate it! I plan on doing my OCC videos in the near future. And about the Awnser to your question about OCC in Oregon, no I have not. I can guarantee you it’s there somewhere in your state, it’s all about location. Stay close to water my friend good luck.
Thanks so much! I will watch for it.
I found a pounded copper bangel.....pierced with 2 holes, in Tumwater Wa. In an old midden
Wow! Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
Always been fascinated by the copper complex, amazing to think that the raw copper was pounded into shape and not smelted 😎😎😎
I agree, must have been a art to pound raw copper into shape with only a hammer stone.
I'm glad you are not selling those artifacts, it's awesome you are preserving them that way !
Thanks much
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Lead is 3x~ish heavier than copper. Awesome freaking video.
Thanks for the correction, appreciate the support
That folded over piece you had in your hand with that conical point? Could be a mandrel? They needed a tool to pound thinner pieces of copper around it to form your conical point. Maybe they used deer antler to do same task? Put that mandrel in socket. I saw both pieces were not found in same area. Nice video! Your excitement on old copper culture is very cool. Rk.
Interesting, haven’t thought of that. Appreciate the support once again RK. More is to come in the future.
That’s very interesting, I’ve hunted arrowheads and bottles along time but never knew you could find copper ones.
They are very rare, but they are around. Will do more video in the further about them. Glad you learned something about OCC.
Honestly you’re probably genius level if you can do all this research and follow through at your age (I’m already 33). Good stuff man you’re gonna go far
You might want to consider studying at university some day, I never went to college
Going to UWL next month for Archeology.
Much thanks, more determination then smarts I believe. Appreciate it.
I am a detectorist. I lived in Delafield Wi and mainly hunt the lakes for gold rings. I have found many float copper and a few artifacts, My partner found a super nice two handed scraper hunting a lake, like to return. Have an old coworker that knows an old spot along the river where he lives. Trying to hook up for this upcoming week end for a trip back. Living in Illinois right now and have found some prairie Indian grinding stones etc.I will keep an eye out for your posts.
Sounds like you have some nice spots congrats, will be posting much more on this topic, thanks
@@Greysen_Reimeri would like to get a couple of recommend for the equipment. My partner and I have occasion to travel the huge state of Alaska where the railroad is established and recently agreed that we should be detecting. The array of info is dizzying for newbies for detectors.
www.noktadetectors.com/metal-detector/triple-score-pro-pack/
This is the best low end detector you can buy it’s a lot like my Knox 800 that I use in my videos but it’s a different brand. A few of my buddy’s have them and say they are great. Belive they rang around 400, if you’re looking to spend more get the Xnox 800 or 900 goes for around 900z
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Must be from the great lakes area where pure native copper was prevented besides the copper river region .
Maybe 🤔
They have known for a long time that the Minoans were coming here and mining near Wisconsin thousands of years ago. The copper leaves a signature, meaning the copper from africa is a different blend of minerals than the copper from america, The Minoans copper was from here. That was why the vikings came there also, the Kensington Rune stone is an ancient artifact they deny the voracity of because it would mean that we bought the Louisiana Purchase from the French and they didn't own it. Conspiracys are not new, the official story is that after being sent west again by Thomas Jefferson on a mission to find out the truth, he came back and committed suicide, by shooting himself in the stomach and blowing the back of his head off. Sound strange? These are amazing finds , congratulations on your discoveries , good luck in the future. I would not let anyone know where I was hunting , I would get gps points of every find though , so that when you are finished , maybe some researchers can come and spend more time and find other items.Thanks for sharing!
I appreciate it, I take the cords of every artifacts I find that’s pre 1820, especially the OCC artifacts I find like in this video. I have all my sites plotted on onX hunt as well. Documentation is key to learning more about this lost history. Thanks for the support. More is to come like this in the future my friend.
Honestly during the tin age and bronze age the Europeans mine here on the east coast of what's now America and deported all kinds of metals and minerals.from the America's.
Intresting
We've got a lot of obsidian arrowheads and spear points up here in the Pacific Northwest never knew there was copper arrowheads and spear points. That's pretty dang cool especially since I'm into history. What region in North America if you don't mind me asking. If I had to guess I would say East Coast probably northern part closer to Canada if not in Canada. Reason I say that is because of trades centuries ago across the water. A lot of people don't realize that people been coming to North America long before Columbus and our scholars don't want to sit there and rewrite their stupidity
I have yet to find a obsidian arrowhead, bucket lister for me for sure. Planing on coming out with some more about the OCC in North America in the near future.
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The only place cedars grow big enough is I the pnw for Egyptians to build their floating cities. Air craft carrier sized boats. Look it up son.
Will
@Greysen_Reimer I'm not will. Historically this is the only place to harvest such a tree, so I'm not wrong but nice try fella.
Those are European Soulutrian
Explain?