Of course it was! But my point is 'Normal' AI don't randomly brake check. Also the contact model is unrealistically sensitive, minimal contact leads to a crazy incident.
@@anteplibela nope is the FIA and Liberty media ruining the sport, they gave a lot of "Gifts" (I hope inadvertently, but I know its not) to Mercedes (2013 Pirelli's gate and private Catalunya tests, 2014 engines gate, 2018 rims gate and 2022 TD39 with only Mercedes wanting it), and RedBulls (Probably more random favoritism, they couldnt foresee that using the 2012 Pirellis on 2013 car would've made RB that fast, 2021 with that stupid race management, unfair for bot Ham and Max), and the private test being banned and budget caps prevent other teams to catch up, if not for a change of regulation (like in 2014 and 2022, where both the domination ended), add that Ferrari has been a joke since 2014 (and when they nailed the car like in 2017, 2018 or 2022 they couldnt develop it properly and other than that they do a lot of "Extremely dumb" strategies every now and then)
I keep thinking of how funny commentary would be, "AND HERE COMES LEWIS HAMILTON! Hamilton, loses a place to Hamilton, it's Hammertime!" Michael, Jenson, Nico, and Kimi would feel like the odd ones out here 😂
The Brawn is IMO the only car from the 2009-2016 era that actually looks good. And MAYBE the 2012 McLaren, but only with its original nose. I hated those rear wings.
Basically it comes down to race distance. Over a race distance, because of a lack of refuelling, battery charging, etc., a 2004 car can be 100% all the time whereas a modern car can't.
Although the modern car would have an advantage in tyres, even if the modern ones have a very small operating window they could give some issues to the 'tyre war era' tyres. Idk, just saying
The 2017 onwards cars are the fastest in corners but they are wide and heavy so straight line speed is good but like the late 2000 cars are faster the hybrid era cars 2014-16 are the slowest they where really slow back then
@@h4rshturtle456I think on the corners yes, they were the slowest, but on the straights they were flying almost as fast as the 2004-2005 monsters. So Monza could be interesting
It may be a beast against cars from the same regs but all the 23 cars are slower due to the added weight and the downforce design philosophy which carries speed through corners better but increases drag on straights
@@shutupsethlampton You are right, but in the video the 2021 car was faster on the straights than Tom's car; that's why I wrote that comment. If It would have been only the 2014 to 2016 cars it would have been absolutely fine.
@@shutupsethlampton Keep in my mind that the 2023 Red Bull DRS effect was insane, whenever they've opened it the car gained so much more speed; in fact I think apart from the 2019 Ferrari no other car from 2017 to 2021 was faster on the straights than the 2023 Red Bull.
Michael Schumacher’s Ferrari will always be favourite looking formula 1 car. Something about the design just makes it look superior even though it’s super old…. I want to see a version of this race without you controlling any of the cars.
I think the outcome would be very straight forward. Except for the last 20 years, the pace of F1 cars has pretty much always improved very quickly and very consistently. Early 2000s cars would annihilate those from the 80s. The result would just be a reverse of the starting grid.
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 Not True Vettel didn't have a dominant car in 2010 due to poor reliability or 2012 again poor reliability and Red bull and Mclaren both had 7 Wins Hamilton didn't in 2008 and Verstappen Won in 2021 a season Mercedes Won the constructors so that is not entirely true
@@mattisvettelfan5 The RB was dominant but not reliable. The only year that RB had any threat was 2012 but the McLaren had an even worse reliability. 2021 the RB was better for about 70% of the season but Merc had probability the greatest season upgrade in F1 season, those last six races were dominant. Just like 2005, 2006, and 2009, the winners of the year had the best car for the first 8 races but Ferrari, McLaren and Ferrari caught up but Alonso and Button had built a very big lead that it was would have needed extra races to catch them.
As a fellow advocate of small racing cars, can you do a video racing f1 cars but at 75% scale? (Like 1.5m wide, 4m long, and dont forget less weight is also important for racing). Im intrigued to see just how much the racing improves and hopefully itll open the eyes of other people to the potential for action that smaller cars provide
@@Tom97 If I'm reading it correctly he's meaning like shrinking the cars, so turn the current 2023ish boats into sizes like that of the 1970s. less weight shorter wheelbase and narrower would make for better racing especially at like Monaco for example.
@@wss33 The size is part of the problem. Not necessarily slowing them down, but making racing less enjoyable to watch. Especially at Monoco and most street tracks for that matter
@@Tom97 Sorry for late reply but if you know any modders who could make that kinda thing happen yeah without too much adverse effects to the handling. I mean something that handles like maybe a modern f2 car but lighter and a bit more power. In terms of racing, the current cars are too wide, heavy, long and fast (in that order of priority). For sure theres an argument that F1 cars need to be of a certain speed and stature, its an argument I despise but must respect. That doesnt mean there cant be other racing series that capitalise on cars with a bit less grip, less length , less weight and much less width, to create great racing. As it is theres only two near competitors to F1, being Indycar and SF which are both unimaginative as hell. And for SURE in the world of simracing where we dont need to be bound by economics and physics and safety blah blah blah - i dont get why this has never been done before? A racing league with smaller cars would make people realise their merits instantly. I might be preaching to the choir but if its possible for you to find a mod and make a video like this that would go a long way.
Good video, but I would've preferred if you used the championship winning car. They usually matched, but there were a few exceptions, like the '08 and '21 seasons
You probably won't do it because it would be kinda the "same" video but with the Renaults being so OP I think it would be interesting to do a one shot quali and then reverse the grid based on that. That way it's more likely to see all the cars in action at some point since everything behind you might come to overtake you while everything in front of you is slower than you are.
20 cars are a bit too much, personally for me it should beall championship winning cars by _unique_ drivers (8 - F2004, R25, F2007, BGP001, RB7, W07, W11 and RB19); race is full distance with their own pit stops (refuel or no refuel).
Great video, enjoyed watching the race. Idea for another video, why don't you get all the obscure F1 cars thought out the years. Thing like the Lotus 59b turbine, the Brabham BT46 and the Tyrrell 6 wheel car.
@@Tom97 also have you ever had any problems with your game crashing after loading mode because that is happening to me when trying to load the spain circuit that you have used. please help me!
After 2004, have to disagree. At that point, we entered the contstantly ugly phase of F1. Prior to this, cars weren't too bad but ever since all the weird looking aero and the super long cars, they're all ugly as hell now. The liveries improve some of them but the car shapes themselves are just not remotely appealing compared to what came before.
People forgot how absolutely rapid and unfair Alonzo's renaults were. In 2 years of that decade the cornering advantage the renault have with the mass damper is the same as Hamilton's Mercs have with its perfect powerplant and DAS.
always easier to push in clean air, Tom and the W11(even the rest of the cars) was stuck in traffic for pretty much 70% of the race having to defend which will hurt their pace.
The bottom line is that it's just a video game and not in any way shape or form representative of real life F1 cars. We could only find out which car is really the fastest if they were driven on a real race track by the same driver in similar weather conditions and on the same tyres.
F1 cars having 8 gears… Tom using only 7 at all times. Tom clean driving, crashing into all the AI Also Tom while yes I did crash buuut it was his fault he turned into me. Bruh
those who say that the RB19 was a monster, you guys just found out that it wasn't the case. The W11 was and will be the fastest F1 car of the Hybrid era.
The comments have spoken. I think a remake is in order? 👀
“Aside from that one crash the AI have been well behaved” mate that crash with the Ferrari into the final chicane was entirely your fault 😂
Lol he caused all the accidents
Big difference between being a fast driver, and a fast race driver.
Of course it was! But my point is 'Normal' AI don't randomly brake check. Also the contact model is unrealistically sensitive, minimal contact leads to a crazy incident.
@@Tom97 Mate where is 1:46 it's exactly the time I managed at spa francorchamps with the Ferrari F2004
@@Tom97However no slicks or pirelli p zeros cause I play normal Assetto corsa for more experience
"I'll try and keep pushing" pushing people off the track that is 😂
💀💀
Nahh💀💀
Init every crash was his fault 😂
Overtake ❌
Spin the other cars off ✅
I mean there was some overtakes in my crashing.
10 Second Penalty for Ocon.
Crazy how only Red Bull & Mercedes have won the championship in the last 14 years
Yes! This is an issue that gets overlooked. I think that's just ridiculous, but that's the hill f1 is willing to die on unfortunately.
@@raomega6460 the only issue here is the skill issue by other teams
@@anteplibela nope is the FIA and Liberty media ruining the sport, they gave a lot of "Gifts" (I hope inadvertently, but I know its not) to Mercedes (2013 Pirelli's gate and private Catalunya tests, 2014 engines gate, 2018 rims gate and 2022 TD39 with only Mercedes wanting it), and RedBulls (Probably more random favoritism, they couldnt foresee that using the 2012 Pirellis on 2013 car would've made RB that fast, 2021 with that stupid race management, unfair for bot Ham and Max), and the private test being banned and budget caps prevent other teams to catch up, if not for a change of regulation (like in 2014 and 2022, where both the domination ended), add that Ferrari has been a joke since 2014 (and when they nailed the car like in 2017, 2018 or 2022 they couldnt develop it properly and other than that they do a lot of "Extremely dumb" strategies every now and then)
well it kinda was a money problem for the majority of the time@@anteplibela
after pre-season testing it's obvious whos gonna win. if RB's faster then RB's first driver wins, if its merc the mercs main driver wins.
Can't believe this year is the 20th anniversary of Michael Schumacher's final & 7th world f1 title. Just the best memories
Bro should be black flagged for how many people he crashed out😂
12:31 just gave me flashbacks to Monaco when Kimi said "I'm gonna hit him when I see him" 😂
Tom absolutely murdered kimi
it's more of a hobby for him anyway
I keep thinking of how funny commentary would be,
"AND HERE COMES LEWIS HAMILTON! Hamilton, loses a place to Hamilton, it's Hammertime!"
Michael, Jenson, Nico, and Kimi would feel like the odd ones out here 😂
Yea 7 Lewis’s, 3 Verstappens, 4 Vettels, 2 Alonsos.
Got me thinking, it would be so cool if F1 actually did events like this.
Imagine crashing these cars tho. They’re quite literally irreplaceable now.
That DRS sign flying over the finish line in 12th place was pretty incredible.
Glad someone picked up on that!
The Brawn is imo one of the most beautiful cars of all time
Can only agree
So simple yet it looks so amazing
The Brawn is IMO the only car from the 2009-2016 era that actually looks good. And MAYBE the 2012 McLaren, but only with its original nose.
I hated those rear wings.
@@SURGASURGE12I've always liked the Lotus cars back then, black and gold was a good combination.
I agee, its such a nice clean livery, i wish they'd been able to stay in the sport for 2010
It has this very ghetto look I love it
accurate verstappen simulator
😂😂😂right?
Roleplaying to perfection.
@@Tom97 No, you didn't win the race (:
Basically it comes down to race distance. Over a race distance, because of a lack of refuelling, battery charging, etc., a 2004 car can be 100% all the time whereas a modern car can't.
Although the modern car would have an advantage in tyres, even if the modern ones have a very small operating window they could give some issues to the 'tyre war era' tyres. Idk, just saying
If your using new rules as no refeuling itd kill the V10s with fuel limit, the mandatory AS fuels, ect. but thats all nerd talk let go racing
The 2017 onwards cars are the fastest in corners but they are wide and heavy so straight line speed is good but like the late 2000 cars are faster the hybrid era cars 2014-16 are the slowest they where really slow back then
@@h4rshturtle456I think on the corners yes, they were the slowest, but on the straights they were flying almost as fast as the 2004-2005 monsters. So Monza could be interesting
That's true, but all the cars have an 'middle' amount of fuel preset in them for this.
The 2023 mod wasn't realistic, that Red Bull was a beast on the straights.
It may be a beast against cars from the same regs but all the 23 cars are slower due to the added weight and the downforce design philosophy which carries speed through corners better but increases drag on straights
That was only relative to the rest of the field tho, no?
@@shutupsethlampton You are right, but in the video the 2021 car was faster on the straights than Tom's car; that's why I wrote that comment. If It would have been only the 2014 to 2016 cars it would have been absolutely fine.
@@shutupsethlampton Keep in my mind that the 2023 Red Bull DRS effect was insane, whenever they've opened it the car gained so much more speed; in fact I think apart from the 2019 Ferrari no other car from 2017 to 2021 was faster on the straights than the 2023 Red Bull.
@@vamositalia4600 DRS - yes, but you can check Las Vegas for example with Verstappen seventh fastest top speed.
Man, the R25 is just... astonishing...
And the sound of that V10...
My favorite car so far, I'm happy it's the winning car
Michael Schumacher’s Ferrari will always be favourite looking formula 1 car. Something about the design just makes it look superior even though it’s super old…. I want to see a version of this race without you controlling any of the cars.
Tbh I would like to See Another 20 Championship Cars Soon
From 1984 to 2003
Or Some Race on Like 80s Season or 70s Season
Assetto Corsa AI is too bad for that
The Perfomance difference in that would be much larger than this one
imagine he did 50-70s🤣 massive H16s, wings 20 feet higher than the car, and pretty much F2 cars,
Same
I think the outcome would be very straight forward. Except for the last 20 years, the pace of F1 cars has pretty much always improved very quickly and very consistently. Early 2000s cars would annihilate those from the 80s. The result would just be a reverse of the starting grid.
Is astonishing that 14 of the cars were Won by Hamilton, Vettel and Verstappen really are legends we have been able to witness
Rosberg
@@balintujvari9666 Yes he Won 1 but Hamilton 7, Vettel 4, Verstappen 3 is total 14 what I meant
Yep the cars they drove were unbearably dominant.
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 Not True Vettel didn't have a dominant car in 2010 due to poor reliability or 2012 again poor reliability and Red bull and Mclaren both had 7 Wins Hamilton didn't in 2008 and Verstappen Won in 2021 a season Mercedes Won the constructors so that is not entirely true
@@mattisvettelfan5 The RB was dominant but not reliable.
The only year that RB had any threat was 2012 but the McLaren had an even worse reliability.
2021 the RB was better for about 70% of the season but Merc had probability the greatest season upgrade in F1 season, those last six races were dominant.
Just like 2005, 2006, and 2009, the winners of the year had the best car for the first 8 races but Ferrari, McLaren and Ferrari caught up but Alonso and Button had built a very big lead that it was would have needed extra races to catch them.
2:55 _I'm still so happy I got to touch the RB7 during the Red Bull Lisbon showrun event, unforgetable day._ 😭
Brother got at least 60 seconds of penalties
I'm Max Verstappen.
You should do this for every championship winning car going all the way back to 1950 if thats possible of course
I think the results would be very similar, anything before 1998 would just get overtaken
Imagine...
The 2020 Merc should've won. It was the fastest on paper
it started from really far back.
Suggestion: put some cameras to see the fights with the others cars not only yours. But its a great idea. Nice to see it!
Thanks for choosing Spa to do the race on, best circuit with best cars!🤩
As a fellow advocate of small racing cars, can you do a video racing f1 cars but at 75% scale? (Like 1.5m wide, 4m long, and dont forget less weight is also important for racing). Im intrigued to see just how much the racing improves and hopefully itll open the eyes of other people to the potential for action that smaller cars provide
Hmmm... I don't personally know how to mod per say, I just race them. Are you talking about a scaled down current F1 car?
@@Tom97 If I'm reading it correctly he's meaning like shrinking the cars, so turn the current 2023ish boats into sizes like that of the 1970s. less weight shorter wheelbase and narrower would make for better racing especially at like Monaco for example.
It's the weight not the size that's slowing modern F1 cars down.
@@wss33 The size is part of the problem. Not necessarily slowing them down, but making racing less enjoyable to watch. Especially at Monoco and most street tracks for that matter
@@Tom97 Sorry for late reply but if you know any modders who could make that kinda thing happen yeah without too much adverse effects to the handling. I mean something that handles like maybe a modern f2 car but lighter and a bit more power. In terms of racing, the current cars are too wide, heavy, long and fast (in that order of priority).
For sure theres an argument that F1 cars need to be of a certain speed and stature, its an argument I despise but must respect. That doesnt mean there cant be other racing series that capitalise on cars with a bit less grip, less length , less weight and much less width, to create great racing. As it is theres only two near competitors to F1, being Indycar and SF which are both unimaginative as hell.
And for SURE in the world of simracing where we dont need to be bound by economics and physics and safety blah blah blah - i dont get why this has never been done before? A racing league with smaller cars would make people realise their merits instantly. I might be preaching to the choir but if its possible for you to find a mod and make a video like this that would go a long way.
no way the W11 would be stuck so far behind the V8 RBs with half the DF.... it should be right up there in the top 3.
It is diabolical how 75% of the cars are mercedes or red bull
Credit to them. Other teams gottta work harder.
@ i agree
Good video, but I would've preferred if you used the championship winning car. They usually matched, but there were a few exceptions, like the '08 and '21 seasons
Yes. I think he ist just to stupid to know the difference.
I think a remake is in order.
A fun idea would be to take the runner up cars of these and pin them against eachother
Good idea!
I was amazed you didn’t continue taking out the other cars once the tires burned up.
Bro got the best chance to say "used by a guy to beat Hamilton in an equal machinery" but missed big time😂
lmao that drs board in the end😂
😅
What an interesting concept, can't wait to watch
Imagine one race like this.
That was quite unrealistic but very cool!
Needs work.
You probably won't do it because it would be kinda the "same" video but with the Renaults being so OP I think it would be interesting to do a one shot quali and then reverse the grid based on that.
That way it's more likely to see all the cars in action at some point since everything behind you might come to overtake you while everything in front of you is slower than you are.
It's ironic how you only hit Raikönnen and Rosberg. I'm not saying they're the best but it sums up their careeer
BRO I LOVE VIDEOS LIKE THIS PLEASE KEEP THIS UP 🔥
Finally someone tries it over a short race distance
Enemy of the 8th gear
Should have done WCC instead of WDC since this is based on car performance and not driver performance.
20 cars are a bit too much, personally for me it should beall championship winning cars by _unique_ drivers (8 - F2004, R25, F2007, BGP001, RB7, W07, W11 and RB19); race is full distance with their own pit stops (refuel or no refuel).
You could have added all the title winning cars 2000-2023 but anyway very good video!!👏👏
The Mercs were a lot more dominant than this red bull car, and Senna and Prost's McLaren was even more dominant.
nope
Saw your twitter post Tom. Stay strong brother ❤
💗
Great video, enjoyed watching the race. Idea for another video, why don't you get all the obscure F1 cars thought out the years. Thing like the Lotus 59b turbine, the Brabham BT46 and the Tyrrell 6 wheel car.
This isn't quite that, but close enough? th-cam.com/video/51qTeiHuOq4/w-d-xo.html
The best videos you post are using Assetto Corsa, keep it up
Agreed!
In 2021 Mercedes wins the constructor championship. They should have their car there
True.
maybe next video do the best car from each era, so from the 50s, 60s, 70s etc
hey tom! where do you get the mods for both cars and tracks from “beat the pole lap from 2023 and this video? love your videos, keep it up 👍! thanks
Everything is always linked in the description of every video!
@@Tom97 also have you ever had any problems with your game crashing after loading mode because that is happening to me when trying to load the spain circuit that you have used. please help me!
would've loved to see where you would have ended up if you were in the W11
*literally drives straight into the back of hamilton*, “Hamilton having none of it”
the difference from the old cars to news is BIG
question am i the only one who liked the 2018-2021 cars the most (exept for the sound)
Your setup was only downforce 300 kph on the straights is crazy
i watched one of your vids a while back and i have to say they are very entertaining to watch
Cheers!
After 2004, have to disagree. At that point, we entered the contstantly ugly phase of F1. Prior to this, cars weren't too bad but ever since all the weird looking aero and the super long cars, they're all ugly as hell now. The liveries improve some of them but the car shapes themselves are just not remotely appealing compared to what came before.
Dude if you'd drive like that on an official race I'd fume at you LOL 😀 It's not a snow plow mate 😀 That was fun though hehe
I can do better for sure, AI play their part they're all over the place.
Magnificent! Just found your channel! Love it! Is this PS5 or PC? Forgive my ignorance I do not have an F1 game for my PS…yet.
PC!
14:38 *takes out Rosberg* "Sorry mate. Right were gonna have to push on now" 💀💀
😅😅
Mercedes 2021 constructors world championship 🤨
If they're all on slicks, the F2004 obliterates the field
People forgot how absolutely rapid and unfair Alonzo's renaults were. In 2 years of that decade the cornering advantage the renault have with the mass damper is the same as Hamilton's Mercs have with its perfect powerplant and DAS.
Genius innovations. Red Bull Blown Diffusers, Brawn Double Diffuser, etc
If all the cars were running the same tyres, the Ferrari F2004 would win that 10 lap race with ease.
Half of the grid: Mercedes and Red bull
So impressive how the 15-20 years old were this fast compared to later F1 cars 🤯
always easier to push in clean air, Tom and the W11(even the rest of the cars) was stuck in traffic for pretty much 70% of the race having to defend which will hurt their pace.
@@Alatyreon there's a gulf in class. It's not like 3rd was anywhere near to 2nd
I'd like to see this but all with modernized tire compounds.
So how many cars would you like to have?
Mercedes:
*Yes.*
I mean that can be applied to Ferrari and Red Bull too haha!
Can u do one with all the wierd looking / wierd concept cars like 6 wheeled and that littlw ferrari and so on
I'll see what I can do.
You should do the same race in reverse grid order and see if the older cars catch you
Well I sorted it in faster to slower. So the other way the field would just spread.
Surprised the 2020 managed to only get P7
idk why mercedes fans complain about only 3 race winners in 2023 yet there were only 3 wdc's from 2010-2020
The bottom line is that it's just a video game and not in any way shape or form representative of real life F1 cars. We could only find out which car is really the fastest if they were driven on a real race track by the same driver in similar weather conditions and on the same tyres.
Thank you!
2016 was not the only year hamiltons teammate beat him. it also happened in 2011 and in 2022 : ] he also drew to his teammate in 2007
If you were doing it on constructors, then 2021 would’ve been merc
Killed everybody and: "we got through in one piece". Lol
That's not my problem or my bill to pay...
Just Mercedes and Red Bull for years holy
Feel like it would have been better to have the winner of the constructors car rather than drivers
Can someone tell how this works as some of the cars have no DRS
You did Kimi a dirty one 😅
This needs to be done with qualifying, no cars out of order
But the race would be boring. The field would just spread.
@@Tom97 Easy fix. Take the fastest one yourself and skip your qualy session to start from the rear
F1 cars having 8 gears… Tom using only 7 at all times.
Tom clean driving, crashing into all the AI
Also Tom while yes I did crash buuut it was his fault he turned into me. Bruh
Grid of Mercedes, RB & Ferrari cars😂😂!
Did you forget you have 8 gears. See it constantly in 7th on the straight 😂
From 11:20 you found 8th gear I see 😂
Car was struggling to max out 7th.
I assume this is DRIVERS championship not manufacturers
Probably need to clarify.
With modern tires the F2004 would have been a little further on the top, 5 places or so^^
Enjoyed watching this but my god it was a puntfest 🤣🤣💥
Bro doesn’t realise car has 8 gears
Car doesn't like 8th, it's too far/long.
those who say that the RB19 was a monster, you guys just found out that it wasn't the case. The W11 was and will be the fastest F1 car of the Hybrid era.
"2019 mercedes flies past" in eu rouge, whilst on the rev limiter of gear 7, not even 8
I find it suspicious that all the grooved tyres cars did so well... those should make them *much* slower than the others.
The 2008 championship winning car is the Ferrari
2021 should've been the mercedes, that's the title winning car
Wonder why the F2004 is that slow...Spa has some legs
What are those plugins or sim hub additions to get that timer and speedometer etc etc???
919 Evo in the mix would have been...interesting.
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A lot of collisions should you give some penalty because of it? 20 sec per collision?
w11 being 7 is a scam fr
It's hard to get all Mods to perform as intended.