A Best Picture winner that has never aged, but seems more prescient every year. My only grumble is that Donald Sutherland was not nominated for Best Actor, but that is just my opinion.
If you look for it online, awhile after the film was made they were reinterviewed.Sutherland made a comment at he "knew" he wouldn't win an Oscar. Always made me think something went down before this movie. Idk, check it out.
I agree. His line: "I was crying because I dont know if I love you anymore. And I dont know what Im going to do without that." Wrecks me every time I see it.
I'm watching and re-experiencing a Donald Sutherland marathon this week in honor of the late great actor we recently lost, and will always remember his superb work as an artist and fine human being.
Gish came out on stage with those wonderful flowing gestures of Hollywood royalty of old. Back in the day when Hollywood actually had some class. Wonderful.
It is incredible how, Ordinary People, holds up 40 + years after its release. I had to read the novel in highschool and we then watched the movie. Mental health is a serious issue and this movie is more relevant now than ever.
I read the Book after seeing the Movie back in the 1980's The Novel didn't blow me away like the Movie did. I thought Ordinary People is an example where the Movie is better than the book. What do you think?
@@Dohsoda- Thank You for your response. Maybe I will try rewatching the Movie if I can find it on Cable. I may also try to read some of her other Novels. I also was thinking if the Movie had been a Feminist type book and Movie where it had been about a Suicidal Daughter and Cold FAther, I don't think it would have been as good. I don't think it would have been a good Book or Movie at all.
Sharon Jensen .....Tout-à-fait madame.-Madame Liliane Gish est décédée douze ans plus tard à l’âge vénérable de 99 ans et quelques mois (automne 1893-Février ou Mars 1993).-Elle ne fait vraiment pas son âge.-Tout comme je suis ravie de ce standing ovation pleinement mérité.-Très cordiales salutations.-Viviane. ( 07 Mai 2020)
Natalie R. She also should have been nominated for Flirting With Disaster, she plays a Mom who is the polar opposite of this one. Watch them on a double bill, remarkable, contrasting work. She was MUCH more than Mary Richards, though she certainly deserved her Emmys for that role as well.
Who cares if the character is likeable or if the movie is relatable, I want to watch movies because they're good, not because the people in the movies are nice.
It's still watchable for me. I love movies and have a lot of respect for actors, directors and writers are finally getting their due. It's actually a lot better than it has ever been in a lot of ways. More diverse, not at all because it's a thing to do, and more accepting of other genres including comedy.
@@richarda1441I think they're referring to no political agenda, no embarrassing monologue with inappropriate content, and a level of respectfulness in general. But I get what you're saying.
Lilian Gish! What an absolute legend! I'm so happy Ordinary People won Best Picture. Raging Bull had an unforgettable style, but Ordinary People had substance. It had the power to change someone's life for the better. I'll never understand people's hatred towards it.
It is indeed one of the greatest Psychological film ever made. A mother who is reluctant to accept the realities, a humble father and a son with a survivor guilt....all it shows a bond of love in family is essential.
Ordinary People is a extraordinary film, and deserved the Oscar. For those upset for Raging Bull or The Elephant Man, those films are super famous classics today that will be remember forever.
Incredible time in America, 1981 at The Academy Awards everything here is Superb, the people, the films and Respect and Decency all Around, Period!!!!!!!!!!
I've seen Raging Bull once. Didn't think much of it. I've seen Ordinary People over 20 times and still think its one of the top 30 films I've ever seen.
I haven't seen Raging Bull in a while. I thought DeNiro gave a great Performance in that MOvie. I think both Ordinary People and Raging Bull are great Movies, but different types of Movies.
His my favorite host and my second favorite is Billy Crystal and my worst was Whoopi. I have no idea today about the Oscars. I haven't watched them for 10 years plus. I really don't remember the 2000's barely watched them and then finally had no desire.
What some people may not realize, Ron Schwary also had a cameo appearance in "Tootsie". The hilarious scene when Michael Dorsey (aka Dorothy Michaels) meets his agent, George Fields at the Russian Tea Room. Another fantastic movie from the early 80s.
I think it's so sad people can't get over the "Raging Bull should have won" thing. Ordinary People is a amazing movie,the acting it's fantastic,it definitely deserved the award. Some people say it's outdated now,but I only recently watched and I have never felt so touched by a movie,I could relate so much with it and it's one of the most real movies about depression and family issues. It became one of my favorites movies,if not the most favorite. It's one of the few movies I can watch over and over again. I haven't watched Raging Bull,but I don't need to watch it to know it's not going to have me as emotionally invested as Ordinary People,no matter how good it is.
Raging Bull is listed as the 4th best film of all time by the American Film Institute...you have no idea how short sided your assumption is. You're missing out because, Raging Bull is a madhouse. It's the best depiction of greed ever displayed on the big screen. Do me a favor and just watch the opening credits of Raging Bull...you can thank me later. Enjoy! By the way, Ordinary People is one of the worst wins of all time. Not only was Raging Bull more well directed, written, acted, shot, edited and more well received by critics than Ordinary People but, David Lynch's The Elephant Man runs circles around Ordinary People. The academy has regretted snubs like Raging Bull and Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.
That's your opinion, thank you for sharing but it you be much better if you would not share it as fact. I want to watch Raging Bull eventually, and I don't doubt it's a amazing movie or that it deserved the award. My complain is that people hold a stupid grudge against Ordinary People because it won, never getting tired of insulting it every time they see a mention of it. Acting as if it's a horrible movie and there's no way it could have won. Too bad for you (and the people who are still bitter about it even after 30 years) OP won, it's beautifully acted and directed, and for me and many other people a very personal movie. Timothy Hutton plays the part beautifully(not angsty or unlikable like most depressed teens in movies), and so does the rest of the cast. I was not alive back then, but from what I've read this type of family drama was not that common, so it definitely holds value beside the movie itself.
It's not just my opinion. As I claimed, even the American Film Institute has pointed it out. Don't start with the always cliche and very naive "that's your opinion" bullshit. I'm bitter about the win because, not only was Raging Bull better but, the Elephant Man was much better as well. And your argument is so stupid, no bad movie even gets nominated for best picture. It's just sad when the true winners and better movies lose for political reasons.
As I said, I don't doubt RG is a briliant movie, but so is Ordinary People. Just because the American Film Institute say which movies are the best doesn't mean we all should just agree. Different movies touch people in different ways, and it would be very boring if everybody liked the exact same movies. Raging Bull still gets so many praise, why care so much about the oscar? If OP had lost I'd still find it a great movie and not be bothered at all, and would not make excuses for why it lost and bother people that like the winning movie, that's childish and disrespectful. Like I said, it's been over 30 years, and there's more to movies than how many oscars they win. You and so many people still love Raging Bull, so why keep obssessing that it didn't won the oscar? There are plenty of great movies that never get even nominated. From now on I'm gonna stop replying because I guess we'll just have to agree on disagreeing, but I hope you get what I mean from my comments. Take care.
@@keythdanielsen9315 You must. It is fabulous. It is also the only film that the late great Charles Laughton directed. The performances by everyone in Night of the Hunter are riveting!
I love Raging Bull and The Elephant Man, but Ordinary People really spoke to me and to this day remains one of my favorite movies. I really related to Conrad Jarrett (more than I wanted to!) It's a great movie, amazingly acted and beautifully directed.
Here is the thing that I don't get. Raging Bull and the Elephant Man have been a Hollywood Icon for ages and will always be remembered.😀 Ordinary People is an BLOATED OVERRATED PIECE OF SH*T and has been forgotten!😡
Robert Kirby It also really spoke to me, I watched last year for the first time and IMO is the best movie about a depressed teen, it's very honest and authentic. It sucks that in every mention of it there will be always someone to trash it and complain that it won the Oscar.
Totally MissSuil! And our friend above who insists it's "forgotten" is quite mistaken. It's a classic in its own right and quite influential (I read it is Gus Van Sant's favorite movie).
Alberto Arras Maybe it's a good thing that Ordinary People got Best Picture then, so it won't be as easily forgotten. Raging Bull and Elephant Man will stay remembered even despite how many awards they do or don't win. If I pull up a title like "Ordinary People" most people will go "what movie's that?" For the record, I think both Raging Bull and Ordinary People are fantastic films in their own right. I haven't seen Elephant Man yet, but I suspect it is very well-directed too, since I like most Lynch films. But I don't think whether Ordinary People has been forgotten or not dictates whether it is a film deserving of acclaim or not, because many great films have been relatively forgotten, but it doesn't mean that they're not great films.
Raging Bull is perhaps the most overrated film of the 80s. It's not even top 5 Scorcese let alone best of the 80s. Great performance by De Niro, great cinematography, direction and editing but the script was lackluster and the movie was competing with 2 other biopics - which were both in my opinion superior.
@@GG1Productions people keep saying that because the oscars nowadays is trying to attract "the young generation" by putting on some hilariously cringey and un-needed acts, along with the presenters trying to be funny but horribly fail.
Lynn Turman I want to make sure I understand your comment correctly. So are you saying that films for kids are only for kids and that they are not for adults? There are plenty of animated films that have plenty of beauty and emotion usually more than the ones actually made for Adults! Let me give a few examples this list is also to prove that Animation is Art and studios such as Illumination, Blue Sky, and a couple of others are just garbage: Fantasia Beauty and the Beast (1991) Wall-E Kubo and the Two Strings Kung Fu Panda 2 Up! The Lego Batman Movie The Prince of Egypt Chicken Run Coraline Shaun the Sheep Movie The Peanuts Movie Toy Story Spirited Away Howl’s Moving Castle The Iron Giant The Secret of NIMH along with many others!!’
So this movie wins and such an amazing movie such as Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back didn't even get nominated. That movie is not only one of the best sci-fi movies ever, but It is one of the best movies ever. Period. What a shame that Empire got robbed.
Incredible year for film. De Niro is one of my favourite actors but to this day, I'm still heart broken that John Hurt didn't win for his performance in The Elephant Man.
Folks. We live in a world where Troll 2...The Room...Garbage Pail Kids...and Howard the Duck make it on Blu Ray before movies like this, Punch Drunk Love and the first two Before films do...WTF.
What, no overblown acceptance speech with scores of people involved in the picture? Gosh! If this was made today there would be Ordinary People II, Extraordinary People, etc.
Most of who? To be perfectly honest, I saw "Raging Bull" once and it was very good, but I have no desire to see it again. Robert De Niro was absolutely magnificent in the lead role, of course, but the movie itself was otherwise a conventional biopic that was stomach-churning in its graphic violence. Martin Scorsese has made much better films than that one, such as "Taxi Driver," "Goodfellas," "Casino" and "The Departed."
Because Ordinary People beat Raging Bull and The Elephant Man, it is often rated among the likes of The Greatest Show on Earth, Driving Miss Daisy and Shakespeare in Love, the times the Academy really dropped the ball. But that's not fear. It's a great. A masterpeace by alle accounts. Was it the best film of the year? I can see why someone would say that. It's not one of those cases: 'What were you thinking?" It's a perfectly worthy choice, and perhaps that's the best you can hope for.
I wonder why nobody bring up "Birth of a Nation" with such pride at todays Oscars. I would love them bring up how "Birth of a Nation" thrilled audiences while giving the award to "12 Year a Slave". Oh What Sweet Irony.
Did a hit of orange sunshine in 1982 and precededed to watch O.P. on HBO on a little black and white tv... couldn't stop crying...just a great movie about family life
I remember watching this movie with my ex-. I was a nursing student and had just finished my rotation in Psychiatric Nursing and was impressed with how realistic the relationship between Conrad and Berger was. My ex- asked me if this is what really goes on between a psychiatrist and their patient, and I replied yes, because it clearly portrayed the beginning and end of a therapeutic relationship. I just hate that the late, great Donald Sutherland was not nominated for an Oscar for his work on this movie. He deserved better.
Ordinary people was a truly deserving winner of best picture, excellent direction, screenplay and above all superb acting . Mary tyler moore was robbed of the oscar Donald sutherland who i am not normally a fan of certainly deserved to be nominated and Timothy Hutton gave one of the screens greatest performances absolutely stunning
Everybody is saying Raging Bull should have won. I will throw a curveball and say Raging Bull, The Shining and Empire Strikes Back were all better. But I will say Ordinary People was a mighty fine film.
It was a mighty find film but Raging bull is kind of top 10 in many all time lists. Ordinary people wont appear even in 500. I heard of this film when i heard Raging bull and scorcese lost.
The Shining was actually nominated for two razzies that year, worst director and worst actress. It was a bomb at the time and people made fun of it. John Carpenters The Thing was nominated for worst music! Now both films are considered classics.
Too much Raging Bull lip service in these comments. A movie about a vicious, violent, wife beating boxer. But because its shot in grainy black and white, and is a little edgy, too many people think it deserved this award. Ordinary People was the right choice.
I thought Ordinary People was a fairly decent film, but not exactly my cup of tea. I felt as if Raging Bull and The Elephant Man were more emotionally captivating as we as having better acting performances. I understand the choice that the Academy made though.
WOW! :D Thank You so much Academy Channel! I requested for this video yesterday and now is here! I saw ''Ordinary People'' with my mother and I loved every second of the movie. Robert Redford made a great movie but I think Martin Scorsese deserved Best Director for his achievement in ''Raging Bull''. Anyway, the performances of Mary Tyler Moore, Timothy Hutton, Judd Hirsch and Donald Sutherland are also great!
Ordinary People a well-deserving award winner, disturbing and difficult to watch at times because it deals so much with mental illness, acceptance, communication and guilt.
The Academy often gets it wrong, but this time they got it right -- DeNiro for his undeniably superb performance as Jake LaMotta, but 'Ordinary People' for Best Picture. As great as 'Raging Bull' is, 'Ordinary People' has a more (IMO) involving storyline, with characters that you can truly care about because they are so true to real life experience. It's an emotionally overwhelming movie. 'Raging Bull''s B&W cinematography and brutally realistic boxing scenes are stunning, but the constant profanity and cruelty (both emotionally and physically) from the main protagonists becomes a bit wearying, and no character in the film is very likable. Therefore, for me, 'Raging Bull' is a great movie that I can appreciate for its artistry, but it's not a film I want to watch very often, whereas I can watch 'Ordinary People' anytime. The REAL highway robbery for Scorsese was losing the Best Director Oscar for 'Goodfellas' at the 1991 Academy Awards to Kevin Costner for 'Dances with Wolves'. THAT was a true injustice. In my opinion, Scorsese's masterpiece to date remains 'Goodfellas'. He's made many great films, but 'Goodfellas' remains unbeatable for its pace, its ensemble acting, its editing and its screenplay. It should have won Best Picture and Best Director over 'Dances with Wolves', which is still a good film but now seems rather sedate.
+Robert Bykowski Everything you said is 100% correct. "Ordinary People" is brilliant. Only thing the Oscars got wrong was Mary Tyler Moore should have won best actress.
+amanda davis Mary Tyler Moore has already won something else an oscar, 7 emmy awards for Outstanding Continued Performance by an Actress in a Series (Lead) in 1964 & 1966 playing Laura Petrie on The Dick Van Dyke Show, Outstanding Continued Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role in a Comedy Series, Actress of the Year - Series, Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series in 1974 & 1976 playing Mary Richards in The Mary Tyler Moore Show and Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Miniseries or a Special playing Georgia Tann in Stolen Babies.
+Robert Bykowski No joke, I'm over 30 and I never heard of Ordinary People beyond how it allegedly stole awards from Raging Bull and The Elephant Man. No one talks about Ordinary People. Most of the world forgot it. Time told the truth.
Raging Bull gets talked about because of DeNiro and Scorcese. Most people who have seen both films would rather see Ordinary People again over Raging Bull.
I liked the fact that he complimented the Author of the Novel the Movie is based upon- Judith Guest. I read the book after I saw the Movie. I think the Movie is an example of where the Movie is better than the Book. I think the Graduate is another example of this.
When I read comments about this movie I am kind of confused. For me the center of it all was the narcissism of the mother, not her grieve. But anyway. Amazing movie.
A Best Picture winner that has never aged, but seems more prescient every year. My only grumble is that Donald Sutherland was not nominated for Best Actor, but that is just my opinion.
Yes! His performance was stunning! He was robbed of a nomination!
He's obviously been shamefully overlooked by the Academy SO many times throughout his career.
If you look for it online, awhile after the film was made they were reinterviewed.Sutherland made a comment at he "knew" he wouldn't win an Oscar. Always made me think something went down before this movie. Idk, check it out.
DONALD should have won for BEST ACTOR not even nominated
I agree. His line: "I was crying because I dont know if I love you anymore. And I dont know what Im going to do without that." Wrecks me every time I see it.
I'm watching and re-experiencing a Donald Sutherland marathon this week in honor of the late great actor we recently lost, and will always remember his superb work as an artist and fine human being.
"Ordinary People" will always be extraordinary for me.
according to Lillian it was called "Ordinary Picture."
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no but seriously loved ORDINARY PEOPLE - as close to perfect as it gets
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It is for so many of us.
What an honour to have your films announced by such a legend of cinema.
Gish came out on stage with those wonderful flowing gestures of Hollywood royalty of old. Back in the day when Hollywood actually had some class. Wonderful.
Robert is a brilliant actor and director. Plus he's got the best hairstyle in history
Wow! What a bunch of films! All classics. Really an honour to win in such company!
It is incredible how, Ordinary People, holds up 40 + years after its release. I had to read the novel in highschool and we then watched the movie. Mental health is a serious issue and this movie is more relevant now than ever.
I read the Book after seeing the Movie back in the 1980's The Novel didn't blow me away like the Movie did. I thought Ordinary People is an example where the Movie is better than the book. What do you think?
@@HoldenNY22 I agree. I've certainly never gone back to re-read it, but I've certainly re-watched it.
@@Dohsoda- Thank You for your response. Maybe I will try rewatching the Movie if I can find it on Cable. I may also try to read some of her other Novels.
I also was thinking if the Movie had been a Feminist type book and Movie where it had been about a Suicidal Daughter and Cold FAther, I don't think it would have been as good. I don't think it would have been a good Book or Movie at all.
What a class act she was. Lillian Gish!!!
Ordinary People was a Great MOvie. I remember it was a powerful experience seeing the Movie for the first time
Lillian Gish still looked magnificent at 87.
She would show up five years later in the film "The Whales of August..."
Sharon Jensen .....Tout-à-fait madame.-Madame Liliane Gish est décédée douze ans plus tard à l’âge vénérable de 99 ans et quelques mois (automne 1893-Février ou Mars 1993).-Elle ne fait vraiment pas son âge.-Tout comme je suis ravie de ce standing ovation pleinement mérité.-Très cordiales salutations.-Viviane. ( 07 Mai 2020)
She was 87 here? Good heavens! She looks like around early 70s.
She never lost her prettiness. She aged very well👍
Beautiful, classy lady
"Ordinary People" was a wise choice. Too bad Mary Tyler Moore didn't win Best Actress, and Donald Sutherland certainly should have been nominated.
Mary Tyler Moore should've won Best Actress! Every time I watch the film, she gives me goosebumps.
Natalie R. She also should have been nominated for Flirting With Disaster, she plays a Mom who is the polar opposite of this one. Watch them on a double bill, remarkable, contrasting work. She was MUCH more than Mary Richards, though she certainly deserved her Emmys for that role as well.
Hi Cats Yes I couldn't agree more. MTM gave a career best performance, a master class in the best screen acting. RIP Mary x
seriously? in hindsight do you really believe that?
agreed
Nowadays, we're even lucky if we have at least one such film in the 10 Best Picture nominees.
Ordinary People was an exceptional movie. A powerful story, great performances by all actors and brilliant direction.
Raging bull
@@vicentemolleda7159 Ordinary People was more relatable than Raging Bull. Raging Bull is a fine film but the characters are so unappealing as humans.
Who cares if the character is likeable or if the movie is relatable, I want to watch movies because they're good, not because the people in the movies are nice.
@@MontgomeryMall regular everyday people usually make for the most boring stories, including Ordinary People.
Vicente Molleda ordinary people was so much better !
Back when the Academy Awards ceremony had dignity and was watchable.
It was all white. So hard to watch.
@@richarda1441 I was not born there when Oscars are all white back then.
It's still watchable for me. I love movies and have a lot of respect for actors, directors and writers are finally getting their due. It's actually a lot better than it has ever been in a lot of ways. More diverse, not at all because it's a thing to do, and more accepting of other genres including comedy.
@@richarda1441I think they're referring to no political agenda, no embarrassing monologue with inappropriate content, and a level of respectfulness in general. But I get what you're saying.
Great times when actors would treat the Oscars like the awards to celebrate and reward hard work, commitment and talent!Class act!
Lilian Gish! What an absolute legend! I'm so happy Ordinary People won Best Picture. Raging Bull had an unforgettable style, but Ordinary People had substance. It had the power to change someone's life for the better. I'll never understand people's hatred towards it.
Ordinary people had more substance than Raging bull? Raging Bull is the most powerful portrayal of jealousy that I've ever seen in a film.
They were two entirely different films, and each one was wonderful. I've always felt it unfair to compare them to one another.
Jealousy?
Is Gish drunk?
@@dougeberhart5965 She's just old
It is indeed one of the greatest Psychological film ever made. A mother who is reluctant to accept the realities, a humble father and a son with a survivor guilt....all it shows a bond of love in family is essential.
Ordinary People is a extraordinary film, and deserved the Oscar. For those upset for Raging Bull or The Elephant Man, those films are super famous classics today that will be remember forever.
Lillian Gish was, and will be, one of the most important actors. No one would be better to present the award that year than her.
Incredible time in America, 1981 at The Academy Awards everything here is Superb, the people, the films and Respect and Decency all Around, Period!!!!!!!!!!
I've seen Raging Bull once. Didn't think much of it. I've seen Ordinary People over 20 times and still think its one of the top 30 films I've ever seen.
I haven't seen Raging Bull in a while. I thought DeNiro gave a great Performance in that MOvie. I think both Ordinary People and Raging Bull are great Movies, but different types of Movies.
That's why Ordinary People won because it stays with you after watching it. It's the kind of film that resonates to everyone.
Robert Redford a class act
The most important film of my life - "Ordinary People!"
Guess you haven't seen Schindler's List.
Randy Adams “Schindler’s List” was a better film. But it has nothing to do with my point.
@@Mojavegreen Maybe to you, but not to him or me.
Michael Reid Perry I understand that ..... it has stayed with me for 40 years.
I loved it when Johnny hosted the Oscars.
His my favorite host and my second favorite is Billy Crystal and my worst was Whoopi. I have no idea today about the Oscars. I haven't watched them for 10 years plus. I really don't remember the 2000's barely watched them and then finally had no desire.
What some people may not realize, Ron Schwary also had a cameo appearance in "Tootsie". The hilarious scene when Michael Dorsey (aka Dorothy Michaels) meets his agent, George Fields at the Russian Tea Room. Another fantastic movie from the early 80s.
Ha, that's right. Very funny scene.
I think it's so sad people can't get over the "Raging Bull should have won" thing. Ordinary People is a amazing movie,the acting it's fantastic,it definitely deserved the award. Some people say it's outdated now,but I only recently watched and I have never felt so touched by a movie,I could relate so much with it and it's one of the most real movies about depression and family issues.
It became one of my favorites movies,if not the most favorite. It's one of the few movies I can watch over and over again. I haven't watched Raging Bull,but I don't need to watch it to know it's not going to have me as emotionally invested as Ordinary People,no matter how good it is.
Raging Bull is listed as the 4th best film of all time by the American Film Institute...you have no idea how short sided your assumption is. You're missing out because, Raging Bull is a madhouse. It's the best depiction of greed ever displayed on the big screen. Do me a favor and just watch the opening credits of Raging Bull...you can thank me later. Enjoy! By the way, Ordinary People is one of the worst wins of all time. Not only was Raging Bull more well directed, written, acted, shot, edited and more well received by critics than Ordinary People but, David Lynch's The Elephant Man runs circles around Ordinary People. The academy has regretted snubs like Raging Bull and Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.
That's your opinion, thank you for sharing but it you be much better if you would not share it as fact.
I want to watch Raging Bull eventually, and I don't doubt it's a amazing movie or that it deserved the award. My complain is that people hold a stupid grudge against Ordinary People because it won, never getting tired of insulting it every time they see a mention of it. Acting as if it's a horrible movie and there's no way it could have won.
Too bad for you (and the people who are still bitter about it even after 30 years) OP won, it's beautifully acted and directed, and for me and many other people a very personal movie. Timothy Hutton plays the part beautifully(not angsty or unlikable like most depressed teens in movies), and so does the rest of the cast. I was not alive back then, but from what I've read this type of family drama was not that common, so it definitely holds value beside the movie itself.
It's not just my opinion. As I claimed, even the American Film Institute has pointed it out. Don't start with the always cliche and very naive "that's your opinion" bullshit. I'm bitter about the win because, not only was Raging Bull better but, the Elephant Man was much better as well. And your argument is so stupid, no bad movie even gets nominated for best picture. It's just sad when the true winners and better movies lose for political reasons.
As I said, I don't doubt RG is a briliant movie, but so is Ordinary People. Just because the American Film Institute say which movies are the best doesn't mean we all should just agree. Different movies touch people in different ways, and it would be very boring if everybody liked the exact same movies.
Raging Bull still gets so many praise, why care so much about the oscar? If OP had lost I'd still find it a great movie and not be bothered at all, and would not make excuses for why it lost and bother people that like the winning movie, that's childish and disrespectful.
Like I said, it's been over 30 years, and there's more to movies than how many oscars they win. You and so many people still love Raging Bull, so why keep obssessing that it didn't won the oscar? There are plenty of great movies that never get even nominated.
From now on I'm gonna stop replying because I guess we'll just have to agree on disagreeing, but I hope you get what I mean from my comments. Take care.
Film is subjective and you're right. Having said that fuck Ordinary people Raging Bull beats the shit out of Ordinary People any fucking day.
I've always loved Mary Tyler Moore
Can't believe she died 5 days ago
1980 was a great film year - The Elephant Man, Raging Bull and Ordinary People.
And empire strikes back and the shining
And The Blues Brothers.
Exactly. All those mentioned films are true classics... not like the ones these days
What a year. 5 of the greatest movies.
Lilian Gish was so powerful in Night of the Hunter.
Never seen it. I'll have to check it out. Liked her in the sunset of her career in Whales of August.
@@keythdanielsen9315 You must. It is fabulous. It is also the only film that the late great Charles Laughton directed. The performances by everyone in Night of the Hunter are riveting!
@@jeanettesmith765 Thanks for the recommendation.
@@keythdanielsen9315 I will. Thank you.
I love Raging Bull and The Elephant Man, but Ordinary People really spoke to me and to this day remains one of my favorite movies. I really related to Conrad Jarrett (more than I wanted to!) It's a great movie, amazingly acted and beautifully directed.
Here is the thing that I don't get.
Raging Bull and the Elephant Man have been a Hollywood Icon for ages and will always be remembered.😀
Ordinary People is an BLOATED OVERRATED PIECE OF SH*T and has been forgotten!😡
Robert Kirby It also really spoke to me, I watched last year for the first time and IMO is the best movie about a depressed teen, it's very honest and authentic. It sucks that in every mention of it there will be always someone to trash it and complain that it won the Oscar.
Totally MissSuil! And our friend above who insists it's "forgotten" is quite mistaken. It's a classic in its own right and quite influential (I read it is Gus Van Sant's favorite movie).
Alberto Arras Maybe it's a good thing that Ordinary People got Best Picture then, so it won't be as easily forgotten. Raging Bull and Elephant Man will stay remembered even despite how many awards they do or don't win. If I pull up a title like "Ordinary People" most people will go "what movie's that?"
For the record, I think both Raging Bull and Ordinary People are fantastic films in their own right. I haven't seen Elephant Man yet, but I suspect it is very well-directed too, since I like most Lynch films. But I don't think whether Ordinary People has been forgotten or not dictates whether it is a film deserving of acclaim or not, because many great films have been relatively forgotten, but it doesn't mean that they're not great films.
@@albertosaurschannel6946 Yet Ordinary People tacked mental health issues among teenagers which is now a trendy topic in 2020.
Anyone else recognize Mr. Schwary from the Russian Tea Room scene in Tootsie (1982)?
Oh I love you, Lillian Gish!
I loved Lillian Gish.
GOD BLESS LILLIAN GISH....HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN HER WITH BETTE DAVIS IN 'THE WHALES OF AUGUST'
Pascoe Braun Heard of it. It's a comedy about two young girls (Davis & Gish) who go on Spring Break & lose their virginity, right?
Silly Lynn! It was remade four years later as "Thelma and Louise."
;-D
Pascoe Braun i do!
Raging Bull might be the best movie of the 80s. Sometimes it takes a few years for a film to be fully appreciated
Raging Bull is perhaps the most overrated film of the 80s. It's not even top 5 Scorcese let alone best of the 80s. Great performance by De Niro, great cinematography, direction and editing but the script was lackluster and the movie was competing with 2 other biopics - which were both in my opinion superior.
Only for Scorcese cultists.
Nah. I can understand people liking it more than Ordinary People, but best movie of the 80s?? Hell nah
Redford is such a class act
The award that should have given to Raging Bull is best director, for Martin Scorsese. But this best picture award to Ordinary People was correct.
Back when the Oscars had class, unlike the Oscars of this century
Why do people keep saying that? It just highlights the ignorance of the history of the Oscars
@@GG1Productions people keep saying that because the oscars nowadays is trying to attract "the young generation" by putting on some hilariously cringey and un-needed acts, along with the presenters trying to be funny but horribly fail.
@@GG1Productions Because it's THE TRUTH!
Oscars of the century only cared about black people
Ah, the good old days. When Hollywood occasionally made movies FOR ADULTS!!
Lynn Turman I want to make sure I understand your comment correctly. So are you saying that films for kids are only for kids and that they are not for adults? There are plenty of animated films that have plenty of beauty and emotion usually more than the ones actually made for Adults! Let me give a few examples this list is also to prove that Animation is Art and studios such as Illumination, Blue Sky, and a couple of others are just garbage:
Fantasia
Beauty and the Beast (1991)
Wall-E
Kubo and the Two Strings
Kung Fu Panda 2
Up!
The Lego Batman Movie
The Prince of Egypt
Chicken Run
Coraline
Shaun the Sheep Movie
The Peanuts Movie
Toy Story
Spirited Away
Howl’s Moving Castle
The Iron Giant
The Secret of NIMH
along with many others!!’
films for EVERYONE.
i don't get your comment
how was empire strikes back not even nominated? its one of the best movies of all time
Because it's a movie for kids.
@@jlg395 Empire strikes back is a beautiful iconic piece of cinema and will remain so forever
It got mixed reviews when it came out.
Overrated strikes back
It's Science Fiction, that's why.
That is one grand entrance Ms. Gish entered!!!!! A true legend!!!!!
omg ron jeremy produced ordinary people and won an oscar. i did not know that.
So this movie wins and such an amazing movie such as Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back didn't even get nominated. That movie is not only one of the best sci-fi movies ever, but It is one of the best movies ever. Period. What a shame that Empire got robbed.
When the Oscars had class !
Ordinary People was way better than Raging Bull, and if any other film could have won it would have been The Elephant Man, which was hauntingly superb
Kudos to Robert Redford for graciously joining the producer on stage yet not stealing the limelight and just stating a humble "thank you".
All actors in this film did a remarkable job, and decorated or not does not change that. Donald, Mary, Judd and Timothy bravo!
WOW!!! What an amazing YEAR regarding Films... ALL those main actors gone on to STELLAR careers. X
Incredible year for film. De Niro is one of my favourite actors but to this day, I'm still heart broken that John Hurt didn't win for his performance in The Elephant Man.
I have her biography book and it's signed Lillian Gish , got it used at the use book store years ago. Still have it.
So glad that Lola Redford was there. She and Robert eventually divorced but were married over 20 years. Congrats to her as well.
Love that movie, one of my favorites ever.
Now the audience stands up for peanut vendors….
She was almost 90 at this time!!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Adorable Lillian Gish was about to say: Ordinary pic... and corrected to PEOPLE :D
Wow. To think she's 88 right here
Folks. We live in a world where Troll 2...The Room...Garbage Pail Kids...and Howard the Duck make it on Blu Ray before movies like this, Punch Drunk Love and the first two Before films do...WTF.
Criterion released Punch Drunk Love and the Before movies on Blu
What, no overblown acceptance speech with scores of people involved in the picture? Gosh! If this was made today there would be Ordinary People II, Extraordinary People, etc.
Ronald Schwary was an exceptionally articulate and gracious speaker.
1981 was an amazingly strong year for films
Disagree. Ordinary people was an amazing movie and deserved to win!! The acting was incredible.
This is in response to Charles
Most consider Raging Bull the best movie of the entire 80s.
Most of who? To be perfectly honest, I saw "Raging Bull" once and it was very good, but I have no desire to see it again. Robert De Niro was absolutely magnificent in the lead role, of course, but the movie itself was otherwise a conventional biopic that was stomach-churning in its graphic violence. Martin Scorsese has made much better films than that one, such as "Taxi Driver," "Goodfellas," "Casino" and "The Departed."
Because Ordinary People beat Raging Bull and The Elephant Man, it is often rated among the likes of The Greatest Show on Earth, Driving Miss Daisy and Shakespeare in Love, the times the Academy really dropped the ball. But that's not fear. It's a great. A masterpeace by alle accounts. Was it the best film of the year? I can see why someone would say that. It's not one of those cases: 'What were you thinking?" It's a perfectly worthy choice, and perhaps that's the best you can hope for.
I wonder why nobody bring up "Birth of a Nation" with such pride at todays Oscars. I would love them bring up how "Birth of a Nation" thrilled audiences while giving the award to "12 Year a Slave". Oh What Sweet Irony.
LOL Right? I guess they just meant that technically it was a huge innovation. But that's about the only reason.
I still say Blakkklansman is the best film of 18 and is being robbed.
As was Get Out. Not even going to mention the flub up from the year prior...
@@radcolortiedye6718 yeah brother!
They should have someone like her present Best Picture this year!
Lillian Gish is AMAZING.
Smart as shit!
Una Película Extraordinaria y es parte de la vida real...es muy fuerte su guión y la Dirección Actuaciones geniales.
Did a hit of orange sunshine in 1982 and precededed to watch O.P. on HBO on a little black and white tv... couldn't stop crying...just a great movie about family life
I remember watching this movie with my ex-. I was a nursing student and had just finished my rotation in Psychiatric Nursing and was impressed with how realistic the relationship between Conrad and Berger was. My ex- asked me if this is what really goes on between a psychiatrist and their patient, and I replied yes, because it clearly portrayed the beginning and end of a therapeutic relationship. I just hate that the late, great Donald Sutherland was not nominated for an Oscar for his work on this movie. He deserved better.
Back when the Oscars meant something and were run by consummate pros!
Not some SJW bs
Very deserving...a classic!
I'm glad Ordinary PEOPLE won!
Ordinary people was a truly deserving winner of best picture, excellent direction, screenplay and above all superb acting . Mary tyler moore was robbed of the oscar Donald sutherland who i am not normally a fan of certainly deserved to be nominated and Timothy Hutton gave one of the screens greatest performances absolutely stunning
Five GREAT movies. I think I'll schedule a marathon. Super presenting job by Ms. Gish (we're not worthy)!
They just left Gish behind!
Times when oscar best pictures really deserve the award.
@Divenaldo Penaldo not really
Parasite winning in 2020 was the first smart choice the Oscars had in years, fortunately
What a strong year for amazing films.
But a just win
Probably my favorite movie. Tough to watch at times, but that is what superb acting does to a person- tears in the eyes and a catch in the throat.
Everybody is saying Raging Bull should have won. I will throw a curveball and say Raging Bull, The Shining and Empire Strikes Back were all better. But I will say Ordinary People was a mighty fine film.
It was a mighty find film but Raging bull is kind of top 10 in many all time lists. Ordinary people wont appear even in 500. I heard of this film when i heard Raging bull and scorcese lost.
The Shining was actually nominated for two razzies that year, worst director and worst actress. It was a bomb at the time and people made fun of it. John Carpenters The Thing was nominated for worst music! Now both films are considered classics.
Still packs a punch - but the two best things went un-nominated - Donald Sutherlands brilliant performance and the film editing by Jeff Kanew.
Too much Raging Bull lip service in these comments. A movie about a vicious, violent, wife beating boxer. But because its shot in grainy black and white, and is a little edgy, too many people think it deserved this award. Ordinary People was the right choice.
There were a lot of amazing classic movies in 1977
A brilliant movie - but what a crop of movies there was that year - MTM was brilliant in it - exquisite direction
How did this win over: Raging Bull, Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, and Kagemusha
And the Shining
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One of the greatest films of all time
Lillian Gish would not have been invited to the Oscars, let alone presented, in this day and age.
Why?
@@brigittemosaquites9031 She was the main actress in The Birth of a Nation. That film glorified the Ku Klux Klan.
I will watch this Movie as Soon as Possible.
yeah i thought his performance was the strongest of all, but i was happy hutton won, his is also a great talent!
Wow, Lilian Gish. This clip is History.
I thought Ordinary People was a fairly decent film, but not exactly my cup of tea. I felt as if Raging Bull and The Elephant Man were more emotionally captivating as we as having better acting performances. I understand the choice that the Academy made though.
I'm curious from when it did started the whole cast and crew going on stage after winning Best Picture
Johnny Carson was the best host of the oscars...
Billy Crystal was a hoot also!!!!😎❤
WOW! :D Thank You so much Academy Channel! I requested for this video yesterday and now is here! I saw ''Ordinary People'' with my mother and I loved every second of the movie. Robert Redford made a great movie but I think Martin Scorsese deserved Best Director for his achievement in ''Raging Bull''. Anyway, the performances of Mary Tyler Moore, Timothy Hutton, Judd Hirsch and Donald Sutherland are also great!
Ordinary People a well-deserving award winner, disturbing and difficult to watch at times because it deals so much with mental illness, acceptance, communication and guilt.
4:30 That's that big shot producer from the Russian Tea Room scene in Tootsie. "Well, thank you, Miss Michaels".
Ohmigosh! You are right!!!
The Academy often gets it wrong, but this time they got it right -- DeNiro for his undeniably superb performance as Jake LaMotta, but 'Ordinary People' for Best Picture. As great as 'Raging Bull' is, 'Ordinary People' has a more (IMO) involving storyline, with characters that you can truly care about because they are so true to real life experience. It's an emotionally overwhelming movie. 'Raging Bull''s B&W cinematography and brutally realistic boxing scenes are stunning, but the constant profanity and cruelty (both emotionally and physically) from the main protagonists becomes a bit wearying, and no character in the film is very likable. Therefore, for me, 'Raging Bull' is a great movie that I can appreciate for its artistry, but it's not a film I want to watch very often, whereas I can watch 'Ordinary People' anytime.
The REAL highway robbery for Scorsese was losing the Best Director Oscar for 'Goodfellas' at the 1991 Academy Awards to Kevin Costner for 'Dances with Wolves'. THAT was a true injustice. In my opinion, Scorsese's masterpiece to date remains 'Goodfellas'. He's made many great films, but 'Goodfellas' remains unbeatable for its pace, its ensemble acting, its editing and its screenplay. It should have won Best Picture and Best Director over 'Dances with Wolves', which is still a good film but now seems rather sedate.
+Robert Bykowski Everything you said is 100% correct. "Ordinary People" is brilliant. Only thing the Oscars got wrong was Mary Tyler Moore should have won best actress.
+amanda davis Mary Tyler Moore has already won something else an oscar, 7 emmy awards for Outstanding Continued Performance by an Actress in a Series (Lead) in 1964 & 1966 playing Laura Petrie on The Dick Van Dyke Show, Outstanding Continued Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role in a Comedy Series, Actress of the Year - Series, Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series in 1974 & 1976 playing Mary Richards in The Mary Tyler Moore Show and Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Miniseries or a Special playing Georgia Tann in Stolen Babies.
+Robert Bykowski No joke, I'm over 30 and I never heard of Ordinary People beyond how it allegedly stole awards from Raging Bull and The Elephant Man. No one talks about Ordinary People. Most of the world forgot it. Time told the truth.
Raging Bull gets talked about because of DeNiro and Scorcese.
Most people who have seen both films would rather see Ordinary People again over Raging Bull.
+Robert Bykowski Thank you Robert. Now you do think beforehand, then you speak these wise words.
Ragging Bull, Tess, The Elephant Man, Ordinary People... only great movies.
Very beautiful film!!!! Congratulation Robert Redford!!!!
I liked the fact that he complimented the Author of the Novel the Movie is based upon- Judith Guest. I read the book after I saw the Movie. I think the Movie is an example of where the Movie is better than the Book. I think the Graduate is another example of this.
When I read comments about this movie I am kind of confused. For me the center of it all was the narcissism of the mother, not her grieve. But anyway. Amazing movie.
I love how they leave Lillian Gish behind them in the dark.