Totally agree to use filler episodes to develop characters, tech and echo are my favorite bad batch members and they basically got no development whatsoever
@@justinnee1572 yes, but Echo and Tech are extreme. Wrecker kind of became Omega's brother and Hunter the father? But Echo and Tech haven't done anything as characters. The only good moment from Echo was when he wanted to rescue Gregor, and yet it is not enough. And Tech is only there to have a plan and pilot the ship. And it's not enough
Echo’s purpose is literally to say throw away one liners and occasionally plug into R2 terminals. And that’s a real shame after the development he had throughout the clone wars
@@StanceSantos it is like if the writers said "ok, we need someone to say this line. Since it doesn't fit with the other characters, let's make Echo say it!"
i really got annoyed at how dumb they made wrecker. the man is a trained soldier who was literally bred to be competent in battle. big and strong = dumb is a tired cliche.
Well it’s his conditioning and liking to blow things up so they explained it. But I have had other people who share a similar opinion to you and I understand but I think he brings a little bit of diversity and shakes things up.
@@CtCiscy I think big and dumb cliche can work well like with the hulk or a temporary appearance like in the clone wars but when a hulk is a main character with 0 intelligence it makes them very boring after a little bit
They’re all stereotypes, it’s pretty lame honestly, they’re not even archetypes either they’re just stereotypes & their names are so bland & just explain exactly what they are.
I don't hate Omega, but I hope I'm not the only one that saw a couple red flags come up when she appeared in the trailers. I remember saying "oh, so she's the important child character".
I dunno. She was important because she was important for the characters not because she had some superpowers or is a clone of palpatin or some weird stuff. I‘m okay with that
better to show her in the trailer so we're at least expecting her to be the important child instead of not showing her and disappointing us with Din/Grogu trope
My thing with her is, I feel like a lot of the episodes were just her fuck ups making things worse. Like I could understand 2 or even pushing it into 3 episodes of her messing up, but there were so many damn episodes that involved her making things worse and it was getting repetitive and annoying. Like I get it, character development, but they really could have toned it down. I liked her more towards the end, but just too many episodes of her messing up. Least that’s how I felt.
The concept of this show was exactly what I’ve been wanting for a long time: a story about the transition from the republic to the empire told through the perspective of the clones, it’s a shame it didn’t turn out that good
@@InvinciDon no? Clone wars overall was amazing it had iffy moments. While bad batch was half good things half bad. Maybe by season two there will be more good moments in bad batch than bad
The thing about the clone wars argument is that even though season 1 of clone wars and rebels had bad filler in you are supposed to improve as you continue making these shows not constantly resetting them back to square one
Yeah I agree with you if it wasn't for Rex the Bad batch would all join the empire and also How could he mess up on the Crosshair it obvious his chip was damage on episode 8 when his face was burn and I think I know why he went back to the empire A. He went back because his clip was still in his head but damage let him have more control of him self B. The clip is destroy but because it was in his head for so long it messed up his head making him believing empire is still good and also he a soldier he made for war like every clone in the show he just can't help continue fighting
It is insane how planets in Star Wars are somewhat comparable to countries in our real world so to have canan and Hera both meet the bad batch at young ages then happened to get together like no there’s such low chances of that Happening like why does everyone in star wars need to meet everyone else
Binging through it and halfway through season 3, but one of my biggest gripes is all the coincidences where they happen to do things and be in the same area at the exact same time another character is doing something there. Happens way too often.
My two biggest issues was Omega feeling not like they needed her to create a plot but simply just shoehorned into the plot for disneys sake, then there's perhaps one of the most interesting characters of the batch being completely sidelined this being Echo because he's been there since season 1 of tcw and could have added so much more
Omega is the entire reason, they got off kamino. They would have been executed by the empire and killed by the bombardment because they didn't want to kill the citizens. Taking her out of the plot actually doesn't work since the kaminoans would be fucked even earlier and the empire would have no reason to keep anyone that disobeyed them. I agree with the echo stuff tho
@@WildWeavile you could of just had them realize what they’re doing is wrong, but instead of being sent on that mission by Tarkin, they’re each set to have their chips turned all the way up but they escape with only Crosshair being turned, then have the team on the run, they meet up with Rex, get their chips removed, have them find other clones, and then they could plan a clone rebellion and have them return to Kamino to free the clones and fight against the empire, you could still have that scene where Rampart destroys the main city but have it involve the deaths of almost all of the clones, that would of made the series darker and made the empire an actual threat
@@eddiediaz5518 yeah but that doesn't make sense since once their chips are turned on nothing can stop them as shown with wrecker. CROSSHAIR became a fanatic because of it. Omega is the entire reason, they even lived. CROSSHAIR would killed wrecker or hunter in ep 1 and Nala se wouldn't have saved them because why would she? She sees them as tools for profit, only Omega she cares for. Also, the bad batch don't really have morality before meeting Omega... They literally slaughter a queen off-screen prior to season 7 of clone wars.
It wasn’t disappointing it was just underwhelming. It did a fine job in several aspects. It just failed in others too. Hopefully season 2 will improve on those aspects that they failed.
I think crosshairs chip taken out was a good twist. It’s better for him to try to come around to the side of good then for him to just be a chipped zombie until his chip is taken out and all is forgiven.
Yeah I agree with you I feel like I think he believes he still a soldier who was born to follow orders so I understand why he would want to go back and made the chip mess up his head making him still believe in the empire
The problem with the Crosshair chip arc is that when he has the chip he can't change or grow as a character. When he has it removed he can actually choose his own choices and have his own internal conflict. Otherwise all the bad batch would need to do is take him to Bracca and then he'd be good again which would be super boring.
You have some very good and valid points and have actually changed my mind on a couple of things as someone who loves this show. Also with Crosshair, he says he removed his chip but he could very well be lying to attempt to convince his brothers to join the empire. I think this is somewhat further proved in the finale when you can see him grabbing his head. Anyway, great video regardless!
I actually like the plot twist that crosshair had removed his inhibitor chip, i think it adds more to his character and how not every clone was so opposed to the Empire like most were
But here’s the problem, why does Crosshair want to stay with the empire? Prior to getting influenced by the chip, he seemed chill with staying with the bad batch but after getting forced against his will to join the empire, after being forced to fight against his brothers, after being forced to murder people, he just apparently is fine with staying with the empire which is highly unrealistic, they should have established something about Crosshair being tired of the republic and the bad batch prior to getting influenced by the chip to justify his decision to stay with the empire
'like most were' how do you know most were opposed to the empire? we only get the perspective of a small number of un-chipped clones post-empire declaration. considering they were raised with the idea of eventually being tools of the empire most would likely be ok with the empire it is after all the democratically elected successor to the republic.
@@fellowpassenger_54-67 most clones wouldve supported the empire even without their chips. They are trained to be extremely loyal to the chancellor/emperor. They valued the republic over their jedi generals. You had exceptions like rex who resisted the chip but most of them (like cody) attacked the jedi easily.
Eh, I have to disagree. This explanation applies more so to Legends where the Jedi and Clones have some animosity due to the former not liking how obedient and unquestioning the clones were while the clones didn’t like the incompetence of the Jedi. And when it comes to teaching clones independent thinking and the culture of painting their armor, that is more due to the Mandalorians, Alpha-17, and Anakin Skywalker than the Jedi Order. While most Jedi didn’t disrespect the clones, they never earned their respect making it easy to execute Order 66 for the clones without the inhibitor chips. However with Canon things are different. Some Mandalorians like Fenn Rau and some Protectors and former Protectors were chosen along with bounty hunters, but Jango Fett kept a distance from the clones instead of training them personally like in Legends. Also, the Jedi actually try to establish connections with the clones instead of treating them as grunts. In Canon they are the ones who encourage the clone troopers to become more independent thinking. In some cases they become friends. There were still Jedi like Kota and Pong Krell who didn’t like clones or even hated them, but compared to Canon Jedi they looked like exceptions while with Legends Jedi they looked like extreme versions of regular Jedi. Timeline-wise, the reason for this probably would be because the transition of the Jedi from peacekeepers to servants of the Senate happens later. The Ruusaan Reformation happens in both timelines about 32 years apart, so little change there. But in Canon it isn’t until the High Republic Era, about 300 years before the Galactic Civil War that the Republic and Jedi get far closer thanks to the Nihil Conflict. This is when the Republic first expands into the Outer Rim. In Legends, this expansion happened far earlier, during the era of wars between the Republic, Sith, and Mandalorians. I suppose that would mean in Canon the Jedi and Republic were the underdogs far more than in Legends if they weren’t able to expand into the Outer Rim on a mass level. Anyways, this latter start of the Jedi intertwining with the Republic government possibly leads to more Jedi still believing in expressing empathy and emotions. They still held fast to their doctrine of controlling their emotions to the extreme like Legends Jedi, but Canon Jedi may have been a little looser with following these rules due to not spending as much time with these rules. Of course this is speculation and not fact, so I can be damn wrong. Anyways, the Jedi aren’t as strict compared to their Legends counterparts, so they forge relations with the clone troopers. Now every single one still is very loyal to the Republic when their inhibitor chip isn’t on. The thing is that Canon Jedi also taught the clone troopers a number of lessons while in Legends they usually ignored the clone troopers. We saw on Mandalore Ahsoka teaching students to question political leaders and tackle corruption in their government. We see Yoda tell clone troopers that even they have a connection to the Force like all other beings. So it’s likely they taught the clones a number of these lessons. While this might not have stopped all clones form carrying out Order 66 on their own, they likely would be hesitant enough for the Jedi to realize what was happening and fight back to escape. The Jedi who weren’t in combat were able to sense the deaths of their comrades and fought back, but this non-chip hesitation would have allowed Jedi in combat to survive as they were too busy fighting battle droids to realize their troops were about to gun them down. Hence why Jedi like Ahsoka, Cal Kestis, Caleb Dume, and Yoda were able to fight back and escape while Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi, and Aayka Secura were taken by surprise. Now of course the inhibitor chips likely wore off maybe a year after being activated and yet clone troopers still served the Empire. Most of them only left because the Empire forcefully retired them. Why did most clones not leave on their own after the inhibitor chips? Well, besides the possibility they never found out about the chips and what happened to Kamino, they may have seen the Empire as the only route for them. Perhaps if the Jedi Order was alive, many clones would defect and join them as they have plenty of reason to hate the Empire, like tossing them out and replacing them with normal soldiers with getting compensated or trained for the civilian sector. Same thing if the Rebel Alliance existed. Clone Troopers, even at their best, are followers however. Most are not leaders, those who defy simply because they want to. And after the Clone Wars, there was nobody who was a “leader” to the clones besides the Empire. No other galactic size force to side with. The Jedi were wiped out, the Rebel Alliance was only formed when most of them were old, and the Separatist Holdouts along with Rebel Cells in the first decade of the Empire kept getting crushed or they were too small to make a difference. Nobody significant at all besides the Empire. No “leader” besides the Imperials. Of course a minority of clones stuck with the Empire long after their brothers were retired due to genuine belief and possibly luck. They mostly became drill instructors with only a few staying on as soldiers. If the Jedi had more time with the clone troopers, they could have taught them to be rebellious in the face of tyranny. If the 501st had been taught this lesson, they would have stopped Krell before it was too late and more clones may have believed Fives and even help him expose the inhibitor chips. Overall, I believe your expectation doesn’t work as well in Canon. To put it in other words, it applies to most clones in Legends, but few clones in Canon. And it’s all thanks to how the Jedi act differently in a small way. If the Jedi had replicated their treatment of the clones to their relation with the general public, far fewer people may have believed hated the Jedi and supported the purge against them.
Personally, I would’ve preferred if the whole bad batch was fighting for the empire against their will then eventually get the chips removed by Rex near the end of the season and realize everything that they have done under the empire’s control, then they could’ve wondered about what their purpose is now that the war is over, this would’ve been far more interesting than just doing the whole “fight against the empire” plot that we’ve gotten so many times by now
I didn't mind Crosshair removing his chip. Adds a lot more room for development. I really hated the fact he shot his own team. I saw that coming lightyears away and I was hoping they wouldn't do that :/
The mercenary stuff was annoying. Like the main villains not showing up for 3 episodes? What? I loved the Ryloth stuff cuz it was relevant, showing the clones start to resist order 66. The finale was....weak. I expected a big old battle. Not to have Crosshairs go...oh ya i aint got chip. now lets run. Zero fighting aside from the training room scene. WEAK.
Yeah I thought there was gonna be some big battle where the clones revolted or something against the empire but it was the bad batch literally just escaping
My biggest gripe with the bad batch is that it’s a repeat of the same formulaic starwars story we’ve been getting for the past couple of years; *an imperfect family roams the galaxy trying to find where they belong, running away and escaping bad guys, and protecting a character of vague importance.* I get that starwars is all about family but the family in **this show** are all supposed to be soldiers, artificially created unstable elite soldiers no less. I was really hoping for a *Band of Brothers* kind of narrative or something akin to the infamous “*501st Journal*” where it would talk about their lives and integral missions that either furthered the overall story of starwars or caused them to undergo actual character development. They’re commandos, I’m sure they’ve seen their fare share of shit while serving the GAR. Maybe we could’ve even seen them serve under the empire before they realized the horrible truth.
I disagree with you on some points but respect your perspective. For one I really like crosshair’s arc, albeit you’re right some parts don’t make sense. But he is trying to find a meaning to his existence and he decide to latch on to the Empire, despite the fact that the Empire doesn’t care about clones, regs or not. Often times in real life we see people who stick around in abusive relationships because it fulfills some part of what that person is lacking in such a compelling manner that they’re willing to ignore some glaring red flags. I think Crosshair’s character perfectly illustrates this. That said, I agree that the writers failed to capitalize on a huge treasure trove of opportunities in the other members of the Bad Batch. They don’t have to develop every single person this season, but at least have Echo reflect more about what is going on, and on some of the events that transpired while he was enslaved by the Techno Union. This is a character who was there from the very beginning, and has outlived many of the other established characters! Instead, he acts as if he is a new character with no connection to the clone wars. And his tech oriented powers is kinda redundant with Tech.
So Rex personally makes sense to me under the idea that you're dealing with clones that are going rogue and Rex I believe in Rebels made it to point to say that he went looking for any clones that he can that are rebelling that are rebelling so it makes sense that Rex would run into the bad batch
I enjoyed the show but do agree with some of ur points like echo and tech deserved more. I think that’s why season 2 exists cause this was more of a let’s see what works and whatever characters we don’t use we can use next season. But like finale not having a Big Bang and characters aside I really enjoyed the show. It reminded me of early clone wars. Also I think it showed the transition between eras well. Note: Rex did have a impact he helped them get their chips removed and obviously they are starting a new story arc with him and some sort of new clone rebellion. And the crosshair twist was the best way they could go with the story, crosshair was a incredible character in this show while in clone wars I didn’t understand why he was like he was
For me my expectations were met for this show. It has the best first season of the animations for me but not the best season. Yes cannot agree more that this would have benefitted from being released all at once. My favorite episodes were the once explaining the empire… warmantle (dub) the like 5 filler episodes were fine with didn’t need them but I don’t hate them. I love the Hera arc. Those two episodes and the one before were great because it showed the empire on a republic world and a separatist and just how the empire ruled. And then… the destruction of kamino. I loved it. Also I don’t think cross hair actually has his chip removed. He had head ache in the last episodes and honestly I just think his chip was amplified so much he believes it’s not there. Also as we all know these animations get better with each season. Season 1 of rebels and clone wars were meh but the last seasons of each were amazing
I think season 2 will most likely fix this as we saw in the clone wars, how it started kinda mediocre but then turned out the be kinda good near the middle to end
My biggest problem with the show is omega. Let’s take a child to a war zone. This is becoming a common theme in Disney Star Wars. I didn’t understand why the empire destroyed its cloning facility on kamino. The empire had cleaned out the facility. So they just blew up some empty building for dramatic effect. This is also a good example filoni bending the rules for his story. In ashoka one star destroyer at close range can’t kill a group of people on the ground. In bad batch 3 Venentor destroyers wipe out a city in seconds.
Personaly i really enjoyed the show but I get some of the criticisms towards it but I still love it regardless. Clones doing cool shit is all I ever really wanted from this show and I got what I wanted 😊
I'm surprised there aren't more comments bringing this up. He just said "Rex doesn't fit in the narrative" and then completely skipped over the part about him helping the Bad Batch remove their chips.
6:07 if Rex didn’t show up the season would have been shorter and the bad batch may have had wrecker go with the empire which helps out a lot considering his size
This is pretty much exactly how I felt. I decided to watch it every morning with my breakfast. After about episode six, I started questioning wether it was worth my time to keep watching at all. The show wasn’t bad, it was just predictable and kind of boring. And their incompetence really started to get to me. If they had always been this incompetent, there would be no way their group would’ve survived this long. And Omega. May be a Disney thing, but we really have to have some sort of child in every new show huh. You already know they’re not gonna kill her off or get rid of her in any way any time soon, so everything involving her becomes trivial and feels less serious.
I seriously don't understand how you don't think Rex is important.He literally is the most important character appearence of the series and Crosshair is an incredible character ngl
@@eetueella Rex assisted them about removing their inhibitor chips and is now a close contact of The Bad Batch.The removal of the inhibitor chips was very significant to this series.No other character could've replaced him as he's the only clone that the bad batch know and trust that has had his inhibitor chip removed. What did Tarkin do?Hardly anything What did Cut do?Hardly anything What did Saw Garrea do?Nothing What did Fennec do which another character couldn't?Nothing What did Bib Fortuna do?Nothing What did Trace and Rafa do which different character couldn't?Nothing What did Cad Bane do?Kidnap Omega for a cliffhanger and then do nothing
Maybe it's just me but personally find Crosshairs more intersting after learning that he already removed his inhibitor chip and it makes me want to see more of him. Almost every character we know that ditched the Empire do it because they're evil and doing wrong (and they're right, I'm not gonna argue) but we almost never see the pov from the "good" guys who chose to stay with the Empire. Crosshairs stayed not for the sake of following orders but because he wants to be on the winning side so I can't wait to see more of his journey. Hope it's something like Thrawn's story where he follows the bad guys while having good intentions. Hell, I'd watch a whole movie starring Yularen's perspective.
Bruh I don’t know what your talking about Crosshair was always as an asshole, when the first ep came out I called it that Crosshair would have joined the empire with or without the chip, which is why I really wasn’t invested in his character in the beginning
To be fair, there was only one technical filler episode, which was infested. I love hearing other opinions on Star Wars even if I don’t like them. But look at clone wars season 1. Yeah there was rookies and Ryloth, but it was an overall 5/10. I’m gonna get a lotta flack for this, Bad batch did more in there first season than clone wars did. I liked the finale (but have mixed feelings about omega going after AZ) but just take a very small look at where they left us: Crosshair is still imperial but we know that he’s not a jerk and will be conflicted through season 2. And Nala Se is on palpatines cloning facility which MAYBE will lead to hunting omega (again) but more importantly will lead into the mandalorian. You like it when character timelines line up together, right? Well, there you go
I truly didn't like rex and cad bane cameo In a universe with a hundreds of Bounty hunters we picked the most fearsome oh then which is bane and made him lose to Fennec, to literally who?? Fennec wasn't even one of the good bounty hunter if she was a good bounty hunter she would had been invited to dooku's Box
Sadly Fennec being portrayed as uber competent is likely intentional on Disney's part. We've already seen they are obsessed with making female characters look as competent as possible and the fact she's played by a Chinese actress, who Disney has made no secret they want to suck up to as much as possible, it's a two for one deal.
That little “wait that sounds familiar” was me at the end of every episode in the second half 😂 the basic story structure is almost an exact copy of Mando S1 with more filler Idk about y’all but I’m still pissed about Tipoca City 😠
The most interesting thing about this show was the conflict between Crosshair and his former brothers. I also disagree with your take on the cameos. It is forced fanservice. The fact of the matter is, there’s different ways they can advance each story and interconnect it without having the characters constantly meeting each other, other shows have done it (like The Expanse). The idea of Star Wars being this big galaxy loses its meaning when you put all these characters in the same room and they can all point to each other as to when and how they’ve met. Bad Batch meets Caleb Dume, whom Hunter helps, and then they also meet Hera Syndulla too? Also, does Fennec Shand and Cad Bane have to be there? Are there no other bounty hunters in the galaxy? Can we get some Haxion Brood bounty hunters? And Saw Gerrera too. Come on! It’s the same side characters getting recycled over and over again. I can buy the Hera Syndulla thing, but the fact that they meet 2 main characters from Rebels is just a little too fanservicey. Disney shouldn’t have to rely on cameos and whole episodes on other characters just to sustain your interest in their new show. It’s same thing they did with BOBF.
actually I like the first season. It was like an explanation of things of what happened to certain people or places. The animation was very good. Though the ending was kind of a big "EHH" but it left me wanting more at the end of the day. Looking forward to season 2.
I think I liked it more than you, but I definitely felt underwhelmed a lot. They rarely made most of the Batch feel like real characters and there was a bit too much filler considering this is the early part of their story and where we really need to be exploring the characters.
One of the weakest traits of newer SW material is the major inconsistency with the power levels of characters. This has been an issue even since The Clone wars and has seemed to have gotten worse in Rebels, the Mandalorian and the newer shows. In some situations we can’t even blame plot armor anymore. These random Joe blow Mary Sue characters will come out of nowhere and take on some of the most battle hardened characters in Star Wars like it’s nothing. Cad Bane who has taken on elite Jedi loses to Fennec Shand. Hunter who is a genetically modified freak of nature who we’ve seen destroy platoons of droids with barely any effort gets beat up by Fennec Shand. Ahsoka Tano the master who has gone Toe to Toe with Vader, Maul and Greivous struggles against some old lady with a spear. Koska Reeves who is Half the size of Boba Fett and less experienced than him holds her own against him. It makes me wonder if the writers actually think these kind of things through or if they just go “In this scene, this guy is gonna fight this guy!, make it look cool and stuff”.
I mean as Stan Lee once said “Who would win? Well it would depend on who I want to win if I’m writing the script!” Idk sometimes certain characters are able to win simply cuz the situation was in their favor, thats how I see it anyway.
I thought this show was great with cool characters, animation, pacing, world building and for the most part the stakes 8.5 / 10 Better than anything the prequels did
I think you vastly underestimate how releasing the entirety of a show at once DESTROYS any hype that can be generated, instead of the show lasting a month or two in people's minds its gonna be a week. Like The Last of Us proved why its a good strategy
I haven't seen the video because I haven't watch bad batch YET. I'm planning to watch it soon bit now my standards have dropped a bit. If it's truly disappointing thanks for the heads up
The show may be mediocre but I gotta say, this show is just gorgeous visually and Dee Bradley Baker is fantastic as always so atleast it has those things going for it.
I don't disagree with most of this, you raised some good points. But then I remembered you think Rebels is good, so I have to take everything you said with a grain of salt
Reality Fact. Cloning is a business to the Kaminoans. Their customer wanted a functioning clone army. The Customer will get a Clone Army. Any and all Clones that don't function as expected or deviate from the desired norm are failures and killed. The entirety of Bad Batchs existence is false.
You do not disrespect the d squad/meebur episode. Yes that is the first episode to pop into my head for season 5. Obi wans meat sleeve was irrelevant. D squad aged better than bad batch
To be fair it’s only the first season which most first seasons take the time to expand on characters and motivations. I wouldn’t say disappointing, but compared to the last arch of the Clone Wars… doesn’t come anywhere near the level of storytelling and emotion. I look forward to season 2 and seeing how Dave Filoni fits it into the rest of the Star Wars universe he is building.
This show should’ve been an anthology show just like clone wars we could’ve seen what Rex and Ahsoka were doing what earth maul was doing an arc with some random clones and how they felt maybe even seen vader or palpatine or the inquisitors or maybe even the rebellion being formed. During every episode I was just like why did they choose this I can think of so many more interesting things going on in the galaxy
I hated how awesome and how they were presented as an elite squad with unique skills and talents in the clone wars, in the bad batch it feels like they missed that.
Episode 1 was so good. Cid episodes were so bad. And some episodes were average or above average Watch this show if you're a diehard prequel/clone wars fan. Also I think this show should be maybe like 10 episodes instead of 16
I've been binging on this show and am halfway through season 3 so far. Fortunately, season 2 and 3 were big improvements and begun to actually make it feel meaningful and fit into something bigger in the star wars universe such as Sidious' plans. Glad I wasn't the only one annoyed by Crossfire's inhibitor chip. I saw that as a glaring continuity error. It is as if they decided to do something different with his character after already writing in that the empire boosted his chip. They even made a note to explain that his inhibitor chip was working better than the others, but still not entirely, which explained his behavior with the squad about it initially.
Honestly character wise I don't care 100% but i like in term of expanding the lore, by showing us the transition to the empire and how that is impacting on various worlds
I didn't even make it halfway through Season 1. The individual members of the Bad Batch are cartooney, exaggerated, cliched archetypes, and I found the copy-pasted clones to be far more interesting. Also, like Clone Wars, Bad Batch is a grind to watch due to loads of boring filler. I think I stopped watching after the episode with the young rancor because it was a snoozefest. Same reason I stopped watching The Mandalorian after travel biscuits. And finally, for a show that takes place during the rise of the Empire, I was expecting a lot of tension, but what little tension I felt totally dissipated after the first episode or two. The Clone Wars 4-part finale was an absolute nail biter all the way through, though it is inherently more intense when it follows longtime fan favorite characters as opposed to a bunch of new ones. Regardless, Bad Batch had an opportunity to show us all the suspense and dread of defected clones evading the newly formed Empire, and for me it failed to do that.
There are a couple points I disagree with here, but overall Bad Batch was pretty disappointing for me as well. I think that the transition away from episodic storytelling in Star Wars has been pretty harmful overall. A big pitfall of cerealized storytelling in Star Wars is that the Mandalorian and the Bad Batch all have one long, continuous story which means that the stories can't shake off their bad ideas quite so easily. Clone Wars and Rebels had their bad episodes or and bad arcs, but that was okay because worst-case scenario they could just dust themselves off and come back next week. Remember that immediately after Clone Wars' arc of droids bumbling around the desert, arguably one of the most boring parts of the series, comes Maul's conquest of Mandalore.
I am really of the opinion Crosshair's arc needed to happen. The introduction of the inhibitor chips in the Clone Wars removed a big portion of what made order 66 so meaningful and poignant. Military forces are central to the maintenance of an autocratic regime. To me it was obvious that the clones would choose Palpatine's new order over any loyalty to the Jedi Order, not because they were mind controlled, but because they were a militaristic force bred to restore security and ensure the continuity of the regime they served. That means you could tell a much more compelling story when you realised the army, shown to be gallant and heroic, is just like any other military force in history can be, an institution of oppression and an instrument of political violence.
What makes me appreciate the show, is it’s heavily character based. It relies on you caring deeply about these characters, and i cannot lie, i fell in love with them almost immediately. I completely understand the gripes w the show. But i think what makes you not like the show is exactly what makes me love it. It’s a much smaller more personal story almost separated from the main. “Star wars” story I also waited for all episodes to be out so i could binge it.
But the characters really dont care about each other. The biggest one being that they dont seem to care about saving Crosshair. His forced defection, especially after they learn about the chips, should be almost a constant source of conflict within the group. Maybe have Echo and Wrecker be the ones who want to create plans to bring him back whereas Hunter and Tech say it's too dangerous and say they have to protect Omega. But theres nothing. Even Hunter seems mildly displeased they left Crosshair behind rather than genuinely conflicted. Plus, theres barely any banter. Compare this to Republic Commando or even Wrecker and Crosshairs competition in Season 7 and it becomes very obvious. And heres a question that we should know by now because we've had a whole season with these characters: if Hunter was to die, who would take command?
I was hoping for a darker take on these characters, kind of a Halo Reach theme where you watch your favourite characters slowly get picked off throughout the story until the last man. However, to reference one of your other videos, Star Wars in recent times seems to have a problem with killing off characters.
Crosshair without his chip is the best thing about this show, a clone with a lot more morality and personality than any other of the characters in this show. He reminds me of the old clones in legends who had to choose their path themselves instead of some chip forcing them to kill Jedi
I enjoyed it honestly. But i would have enjoyed them more if they wherent the bad batch. Instead if they where a clone commando team, and not the Misfits of cast off marvel/DC heroes
I don't understand why Crosshair choosing evil makes him uninteresting or entirely sympathetic. Isn't it interesting to have the perspective of a person who genuinely thinks the Empire is the right faction to join for their own reasons? Almost every proper Imperial character we get is either cartoonishly evil (not that that is a bad thing with the role of such characters in their stories) or defects to the good guys, so why can't we have someone who chooses evil and stays with evil because they perceive themselves as right?
It makes it more interesting that crosshair had his chip removed? Nice twist gave him more of a interesting personality and thought process would’ve been boring if it was as straightforward as removing it and he’s good now
Filoni: "Hey remember how we made the Mandalorian about a tough and gruff killer finding a child and making a found family story? LETS DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!!" XD
When I saw the title I was really afraid that this video was gonna get disliked bombed because you actually make a lot of valid points. Yes the updates on the lore regarding the rise of the empire was awesome but the story tends to drag a lot
bad batch was in season seven of clone wars and the unreleased clone wars content lol. if you haven't watched season seven of the clone wars then I recommend because it introduced the bad batch as well as echos backstory in the first few episodes
Part 1 of my full series reworking.Sorry for how long this is but I was really passionate about completing this but I hope you enjoy reading regardless.Please feel free to let me know anything you liked or anything you want improving. My version will have only have 10 episodes but will have a flexible runtime like The Mandolorian.This means the episodes can range from 22 minutes to 70 minutes.This would benefit series as it allow each episode to be an appropriate length without rushing or dragging episodes. Characters: I would add character arcs for each character which would be established at the beginning of the season to then be payed off at the end. Hunter: Starts as a reluctant hero inconfident in his ability to lead independently without the republic to become a confident leader with his complete trust in his squad. Wrecker: Starts as a hyperactive child and ends as a father figure role. Tech:Starts as a cold calculating Narasasst unable to properly express himself to a caring and intelligent human. Echo:Starts blinded by the nostalgia of the glory days of been a regular arc trooper of the 501st refusing to accept his new self to become a fully formed bad batcher using his enhancements for much more such as weaponary and accepting who he truly is. Similar to Cyborg in Zack Synder's Justice League. Crosshair is perfection and will be unaltered. Episodes: Episodes will mostly stay the same but will include my ideas and improvements. Episode 1: Aftermath Runtime:70 Minutes •Caleb and Depa are replaced by new jedis.Their inclusion achieved nothing other than a stupid guest appearence and completely retconed and ruined the better version of the story •Saw Garrea would be replaced by a new character wanting to fight against the empire. •Echo would be established to have a struggle with his identity and would be still experience PTSD (There would be scenes such as him going to pick things up with his cyborg arm or how he feels uncomfortable around computers) •Tech would be highlighted to be narasasstic. Episode 2: Cut And Run Runtime:35 minutes •The episode would focus more on the bad batch discovering about the Empire's new protocols. •The Bad Batch would earn food and supplies from the Lawquenes. •Wrecker's Hyperactivity would be highlighted. •Wrecker's inhibitor chip begins to activate. •Tech and Echo would have a rivalry established. •This episode would begin a 2nd plotline with the Kaminoans and the empire. This plotline would show Crosshair and will also explain the reasons behind the empire's action ma towards kamino and the clones. •Tarkin would reveal to kamino the official cancellation of Jango fett clones.The Empire cancelled the production due to wanting the Kaminoans to focus on different projects.The Kaminoans believe they are now independent from the empire but Tarkin tells them they are still working for the empire and will not be payed for their work due to them been Empire "allies." Kaminoans realise they are now Slaves to the Empire. •Crosshair is sent on a mission to assinate a bunch of robbers who are stealing from the empire.Crosshair's accuracy and creativity is highlighted on this mission establishing him as a competent threat. Episode 3: Replacements Runtime:30 Minutes The Bad Batch •Hunter's hunting/enhanced senses are used and are important to their survival in this episode and Hunter explains to Omega how he controls them. •Hunter would have a theme for when his abilities are used. •Wrecker's chip increases in intensity. •Tech and Echo have an argument because Tech wanted to experiment and improve Echo's cyborgnetic enhancements which infuriated Echo as to him that makes it seem as if he isn't a brother to him but more of a test subject.Echo insults Tech calling him a machine maniac and Tech insults Echo by claiming that he can do anything he can.The argument is broken up by Hunter. •Echo is shown to be cleary struggling with his mental state.Echo is blindimg himself into a false reality where he is still a regular soldier he is in Stage 1 of grief:Denial. Kamino •The same as the actual episode but the civilians are working for the replacement character I had for Saw in Episode 1. Episode 4: Rampage Runtime:35 Minutes The Bad Batch •This would be a combination of Episode 4 and 5.As the Bad Batch would be on a random mission for Cid on Zygerria but will be intercepted by Fennec Shand. •The episode would highlight how the empire impacted Zygerria. •The Episode would focus on Wrecker and Omega's dynamic. •Wrecker would learn to control his emotions more as his destructive nature caused Omega to become seriously injured. •Wrecker would win the fight with Fennec but would only lose because his chip comes close to full activation which causes him to collapse.Basically the scene from episode 6. •Echo would recultantly fake been a droid to complete the mission but Echo loses his temper when the zygerrians treat him like a useless droid.Echo would break the plan and go on a murderous rampage.Stage 2:Anger •Before the bad batch leave the planet, Rex in his cloak sees the batch fly off. •After the mission, Echo would sit alone and reflect on what he had caused.He is comforted as he goes to talk to him as Wrecker understands what he feels as he's experienced uncontrollable angry urges for destruction his whole life.Wrecker would awkwardly explain how war is supposed to be about defending your squad and reckless decisions can sort of put them in danger.This conversation would highlight Wrecker's maturity towards violence and destruction. Kamino •Crosshair and his squad would be assigned to hunt and eliminate the mini rebellion shown in episode 1.Crosshair would execute the leader half way through his final words. •The Kaminoans send Fennec Shand to hunt Omega as she is a new skilled bounty hunter but works for a cheap cost.They want Omega to either bargin with empire with the production of more Clones or use Omega to create an army to rebel against the empire. •Tarkin would discuss with other high ranking imperial officers about the involvement of Kamino in the future of the empire and how they plan to use regular people (Stormtroopers) as a messed up way of the empire expressing "equality" and "justice" for people in the galaxy who has no job of purpose in the galaxy. •Essentially,The Kaminoans and the empire would be like the Maul and Viszla dynamic in the episode "eminence" by how both are working with each other but both sides know the other is planning to betray them so each side is planning a plan to stop the other. •Crosshair is analysing all the reports of the Bad Batch how they are hopping planet to planet accomplishing dangerous missions for basic supplies.This slightly angers Crosshair. Episode 5:Battle Scars Runtime:35 minutes The Bad Batch •Rex and Echo would have many conversations together during their journey to bracca such as Fives and their thoughts on the empire. •Rex tells Echo the whole story about Fives and the inhibitor chips and also adds how Fives told him he would do anything to ser Echo or hear Echo repeat an order to him one more time. •Echo is truely tested to his allegiance to the Bad Batch as him seeing Rex again wants him to go back to someone he is more close to. •Rex tells Echo he isn't the same good soldier he once was, Echo makes the final decision to stay with the bad batch as fighting with the squad makes him still feel like a Solider of the Republic.Stage 3:Bargaining. Kamino: •The Kaminoans are analysing the Bad Batch and understanding the failure of their inhibitor chips aswell as ways they could possibly replicate them into a full army with Omega's DNA. •Crosshair gets the report from the bracca scrappers and requests permission to hunt them down.
Part 2: Episode 6:Reunion Runtime:25 Minutes •Only 1 slight change:Hunter's senses are damaged slightly by the ion engine which is why he can't sense when Cad Bane would pull his blaster. Episode 7:Bounty Lost Runtime:30 Minutes The Bad Batch: •They capture and question Fennec on why she has been hunting Omega.She initially refuses to reveal anything but Wrecker breaks her leg which makes her reveal why.She explains how The Empire is aware that Kaminoans are planning a secert project which could potentially compromise a new project for the empire called "war mantle." The Kaminoans are wanting to experiment with Omega as her DNA is very valuable to their plans. Kamino: •Tarkin hears Fennec's success to keep Omega out of Kaminoan hands was successful and says that this success keeps the future of project War Mantle stable. Episode 8:Rescue On Ryloth Runtime:45 Minutes •Combination of both Ryloth episodes •Less time with Hera and more focused on the planet as a whole. •Hunter and Tech talk about the squad and how both have mixed feelings on how they can continue surviving independently and been opposed against the empire Episode 9:War Mantle Runtime:45 Minutes •This episode would focus on Echo and Tech and we learn about them personally. •The Facility Gregor is captured also contains a database containing files of upcoming and present projects empire has ready.Tech plans on copying these data files for him to study. •Since this is a large scale battle they use one of their battle plans like how plan 82 was shown in Clone Wars Season 7. •Echo teaches squad he'll be going in to save Gregor with or without them and he'll gladly die fighting.Stage 4:Depression. •After rescuing Gregor, the squad fake their escape to go to the data facility compound.Tech and Echo go inside while Hunter and Gregor defend the entrance. •When first entering, Echo refuses to properly assist Tech in speeding up the process as the room they are in is scarily similar to the one he was held in after the Citadel. •The pace of the episode slows down to focus opon Tech and Echo talking about themselves •Tech would talk about The Bad Batch's past and how they were like during the war.He would also bring up how Crosshair never used to be so pessimistic and how the war sort of changed him for the worse.Tech explains that he acts the way he does because he's afraid if he overexposes himself his emotions would damage him as a soldier and the success of each mission due to his intelligence can not be compromised by his own personal feelings. •Echo would talk about the story of Domino Squad and then to his promotion to the 501st.He would also mention how Wrecker reminds him off his old friend Hardcase.Echo explains he's afraid of embracing his new self in case the machine of himself takes over from the human. •Tech and Echo each learn a lesson from each other. •Echo teaches Tech that fighting as a perfect soldier means nothing if what he is fighting for means nothing to him.Emotion is what makes the victories worth it. •Tech tells Echo that he will be forevered enslaved to the machines that tortured him if he doesn't take action to fight against them and control them which allow him to truely move on. •Due to several encryptions that Tech us struggling to break which is showing the process,Hunter tells Tech and Echo to hurry as him and Gregor are becoming overwhelmed with troops.Echo tells Tech to allow him to connect to the database and will use his cyborgnetics break any encryptions.Echo finally accepts him to be an enhanced clone.Echo finally conquers his fears and destroys his nightmares.No longer is he a regular 501st clone he's a member of Clone Force 99.Stage 5:Acceptance. •Before they leave to save Hunter and Gregor, Echo asks Tech if he still wanted to make those modifications to his arm. •The situation looks bleak for the bad batch as the troops won't stop coming until Echo shows up with his new interchangeable arm.Echo with a rapid fire blaster cannon with multiple lock on missle cannons surrounding the cannon open fires on the countless troops giving the bad batch a huge advantage. •Echo's arm is now interchangeable which can form into different unique weapons and tools like the hot toy Echo had. Episode 10:Return To Kamino Runtime:50 Minutes •Combination of the final episodes Bad Batch •Echo would his arm to assist the squad in their survival. •Hunter has a short motivational speech about how he knows this squad has struggled since the collapse of the republic but he tells them that they were once the most successful troopers in the republic and it's time to regain our title, For the Republic. •After they reach the maurder, Echo stands alone looking at the destruction of the city.He sheds a tear.Tech walks over to him with a look of deep sadness.Echo tells Tech about his time with Domino Squad and how no one believed they would ever become arc troopers but they proved them wrong.Fives and him defended kamino until their last breath:they earned their rank as arcs troopers but their victory is now pointless.Tech comforts Echo by telling him that "No one believes in this squad either we are just seen as some losers with mutations but we will strike a blow against this empire.The empire may have destroyed our past but they can not destroy our futures we must continue to fight." Echo responds with "Live to fight another day." Tech and Echo have a brotherly hug. •Hunter declares to the squad their new mission is to directly join the battle with the kaminoans and hopefully use the gathered intel from Tech and Echo and help them become 1 step ahead of the empire. Kamino •Nale Se is greeted by the scientist and is informed that she will apart of one of the empire's most important projects.She asks what type of army will she be creating, the scientist responds with "not an army, a singular life form directly requested by the highest ranks of the Galactic Empire.The majority of the details of this project are highly classified under the name of project Starkiller....."
The only thing this show did right was make Scorch Imperial-aligned and pretty competent. We need the full Delta Squad to finish these defectives off at some point.
Definitely do not agree about crosshair point. With the chip still intact it is predictable about what he may be feeling, his Choice is not his own. Certainly tragic, but that doesn’t compare to the emotional toll that having the chip removed and still serving the empire hunting his brothers WILLINGLY. This can really be taken in a lot of ways with him possibly finding his way back to the group and choosing his humanity over his soldier-related ambitions, or the exact opposite and embracing the empire and making the crew make a choice to put him down or something like that which adds far more depth than just it wasn’t his fault. This makes it HIS fault, HIS decision which holds different weight. Just a thought!
Watch it all together at once instead of having to wait weekly. A much better experience. Idk what people expected from this show but don't watch it if you dislike it
I agree with all your points except Crosshair. In my opinion, Crosshair having his chip removed but still choosing to serve the Empire adds more to the story than takes away. For one, while I agree that the time frame and causality of Crosshair getting it removed should of been better explained, it does not change that the story is now made more complex and compelling because of it. As you admitted, clones being forced to carry out atrocities against their will has already been done, and it would do the story no favors to just make it another "Clone Victim" story. Because simply put, it would make the conflict with Crosshair too easy. I'll be fair, much of this does come from my bias against the Inhibitor Chip concept and preferring how Clones and Order 66 were handled in the old EU. That being said, let's just say that the story did what you suggested, Crosshair would just be a mindless Zombie until the Bad Batch in some Finale capture him, remove his chip, and then boom. They are back to being buddies. It would be too easy and it would not make the conflict nor redemption feel earned. But now with his chip gone, it adds ramifications to his actions and choices, because they are his choices. As such there is no magic surgery that can solve the problem, this is no "It's not his fault." Crosshair legit believes what the Empire stands for, and when you actually think about it in the context of the old clone lore, why wouldn't they? They were bred their entire life to be loyal to a system and cause, to defend and serve its will even at the expense of their own lives. The clones were taught this since birth and not every clone is going to get the kind of individuality discovery that men in the 501st and 212th. As such, serving the Empire was just doing the same thing as serving the Republic. The theme runs with how to adjust to change, do you adapt and build a new life? Do you fight for what you had before? Or do you cling to what you have left? Crosshair is choosing the third option because he legit believes that without the Empire, his life would have no purpose or meaning, that combined with the fact that when he was Brainwashed, his squad in his eyes abandoned and betrayed him. Now the fact he was left to die in the end of the first season and the Empire carrying its acts even further, especially once clones start getting phased out will likely start getting to Crosshair and allow him to develop to either a slow redemption, or perhaps someone worse. And the fact that clones like Howzer show the effects of the chips are not permanent, shows that now all clones are not going to have to make that choice to some capacity.
Definitely agree it’s mediocre. All the reasons you said but a personal reason for me is that I miss seeing Jedi and Sith. Clones are cool but the Force is more interesting. I hope they introduce a NEW Jedi or Inquisitior or something. I don’t want a returning character
Mixed reactions with Omega but I must say I love this character so, so, so very much. Some won't agree some will but I just love this character and want to see her grow.
At this point I trust the animated side of Star Wars and Dave Filoni. Looking at The Clone Wars’ first two seasons and Rebels season 1, they weren’t all that great either. But once you pushed past those first few introductions, the shows pick up and become some of the best Star Wars media out there. I feel The Bad Batch will be no different.
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My biggest problem with the show is that echo is just there you could remove him from the show and nothing would change
i forgot he was in the show
@@trackingdifbeatsaber8203 😂
hes a literal nobody
He doesnt even react when rex talks about Fives... lame
I fully agree.
Totally agree to use filler episodes to develop characters, tech and echo are my favorite bad batch members and they basically got no development whatsoever
Anime fans: First time?
None of them got any development.
@@justinnee1572 yes, but Echo and Tech are extreme. Wrecker kind of became Omega's brother and Hunter the father? But Echo and Tech haven't done anything as characters. The only good moment from Echo was when he wanted to rescue Gregor, and yet it is not enough. And Tech is only there to have a plan and pilot the ship. And it's not enough
Echo’s purpose is literally to say throw away one liners and occasionally plug into R2 terminals. And that’s a real shame after the development he had throughout the clone wars
@@StanceSantos it is like if the writers said "ok, we need someone to say this line. Since it doesn't fit with the other characters, let's make Echo say it!"
i really got annoyed at how dumb they made wrecker. the man is a trained soldier who was literally bred to be competent in battle. big and strong = dumb is a tired cliche.
Yeah, I can't understand how a character that was very shortly introduced in TCW was already flanderized to stupidity...
Well it’s his conditioning and liking to blow things up so they explained it. But I have had other people who share a similar opinion to you and I understand but I think he brings a little bit of diversity and shakes things up.
@@CtCiscy I think big and dumb cliche can work well like with the hulk or a temporary appearance like in the clone wars but when a hulk is a main character with 0 intelligence it makes them very boring after a little bit
They’re all stereotypes, it’s pretty lame honestly, they’re not even archetypes either they’re just stereotypes & their names are so bland & just explain exactly what they are.
It’s also annoying how he’s supposed to be the dumb strong tough one but consistently gets beat up/knocked out in one on one combat lol
I don't hate Omega, but I hope I'm not the only one that saw a couple red flags come up when she appeared in the trailers. I remember saying "oh, so she's the important child character".
Yeah pretty much 😩
I dunno. She was important because she was important for the characters not because she had some superpowers or is a clone of palpatin or some weird stuff. I‘m okay with that
better to show her in the trailer so we're at least expecting her to be the important child instead of not showing her and disappointing us with Din/Grogu trope
My thing with her is, I feel like a lot of the episodes were just her fuck ups making things worse. Like I could understand 2 or even pushing it into 3 episodes of her messing up, but there were so many damn episodes that involved her making things worse and it was getting repetitive and annoying. Like I get it, character development, but they really could have toned it down. I liked her more towards the end, but just too many episodes of her messing up. Least that’s how I felt.
@@Jojowrryyyy Agreed, I feel like the makers who made this show doesn’t have the same smooth character development like in the clone wars.
The concept of this show was exactly what I’ve been wanting for a long time: a story about the transition from the republic to the empire told through the perspective of the clones, it’s a shame it didn’t turn out that good
If we’re using that logic, Clone Wars is mediocre too
@@InvinciDon What logic?
What logic
@@InvinciDon ur waffling
@@InvinciDon no? Clone wars overall was amazing it had iffy moments. While bad batch was half good things half bad. Maybe by season two there will be more good moments in bad batch than bad
I love how you didn’t mention Echo at all
Just like the show
The thing about the clone wars argument is that even though season 1 of clone wars and rebels had bad filler in you are supposed to improve as you continue making these shows not constantly resetting them back to square one
I see this season more as a filling out process it’ll get better as it goes
@@juliandavis9711 same like with clone wars.
Rebels had that same issue too. Too much filler and they ended up back where they started
Ppl keep using s1 of tcw as an excuse for not getting a good finale and I entirely disagree with that
@@Gooooofey Not necessarily as an excuse but people are judging the show like it’s fully finished. It’ll take time is all I’m saying
The lack of you talking about Echo just proves how underused he was
I'm pretty sure Echo used his skillset about 2 times.
It still pains me the Echo, one of my favorite Clones in Star Wars is just a background character who's kinda there!! WHAT THE F#*% TBB!!!😡
You can justify Saw Gerrera, Fenec Shand, and Cad Bane, but not Rex, the driving force behind the removal of the Bad Batch’s inhibitor chips? 🤨
Yeah I agree with you if it wasn't for Rex the Bad batch would all join the empire and also How could he mess up on the Crosshair it obvious his chip was damage on episode 8 when his face was burn and I think I know why he went back to the empire
A. He went back because his clip was still in his head but damage let him have more control of him self
B. The clip is destroy but because it was in his head for so long it messed up his head making him believing empire is still good and also he a soldier he made for war like every clone in the show he just can't help continue fighting
It is insane how planets in Star Wars are somewhat comparable to countries in our real world so to have canan and Hera both meet the bad batch at young ages then happened to get together like no there’s such low chances of that Happening like why does everyone in star wars need to meet everyone else
Exactly it makes the universe small
Binging through it and halfway through season 3, but one of my biggest gripes is all the coincidences where they happen to do things and be in the same area at the exact same time another character is doing something there. Happens way too often.
My two biggest issues was Omega feeling not like they needed her to create a plot but simply just shoehorned into the plot for disneys sake, then there's perhaps one of the most interesting characters of the batch being completely sidelined this being Echo because he's been there since season 1 of tcw and could have added so much more
Omega is the entire reason, they got off kamino. They would have been executed by the empire and killed by the bombardment because they didn't want to kill the citizens.
Taking her out of the plot actually doesn't work since the kaminoans would be fucked even earlier and the empire would have no reason to keep anyone that disobeyed them.
I agree with the echo stuff tho
@@WildWeavile you could of just had them realize what they’re doing is wrong, but instead of being sent on that mission by Tarkin, they’re each set to have their chips turned all the way up but they escape with only Crosshair being turned, then have the team on the run, they meet up with Rex, get their chips removed, have them find other clones, and then they could plan a clone rebellion and have them return to Kamino to free the clones and fight against the empire, you could still have that scene where Rampart destroys the main city but have it involve the deaths of almost all of the clones, that would of made the series darker and made the empire an actual threat
@@eddiediaz5518 yeah but that doesn't make sense since once their chips are turned on nothing can stop them as shown with wrecker. CROSSHAIR became a fanatic because of it.
Omega is the entire reason, they even lived. CROSSHAIR would killed wrecker or hunter in ep 1 and Nala se wouldn't have saved them because why would she? She sees them as tools for profit, only Omega she cares for.
Also, the bad batch don't really have morality before meeting Omega... They literally slaughter a queen off-screen prior to season 7 of clone wars.
I disagree with what you said about omega she was definitely not shoehorned in she just wasn’t developed as good as she should’ve been.
Nah, Omega is purely a DF creation. Every show he's done always have a kid under 18 as the lead or first costar.
It wasn’t disappointing it was just underwhelming. It did a fine job in several aspects. It just failed in others too. Hopefully season 2 will improve on those aspects that they failed.
So it's dissapointing then. Being underwhelmed is the same as dissapointment
It sucked
I liked it but it had too much fillers and cameos, plus the ending left them from where they started
I think crosshairs chip taken out was a good twist. It’s better for him to try to come around to the side of good then for him to just be a chipped zombie until his chip is taken out and all is forgiven.
He's already on the good guys side tho... Empire ftw
Crosshair was the best part about this show.
Yeah I agree with you I feel like I think he believes he still a soldier who was born to follow orders so I understand why he would want to go back and made the chip mess up his head making him still believe in the empire
It was not a good twist, because it made no sense.
He says "I removed mine a long time ago", but that is 100% a lie proven by the show's own events.
The problem with the Crosshair chip arc is that when he has the chip he can't change or grow as a character. When he has it removed he can actually choose his own choices and have his own internal conflict. Otherwise all the bad batch would need to do is take him to Bracca and then he'd be good again which would be super boring.
I honestly just wanted a show with some of my new favourite Star Wars characters. Just seeing them do shit is awesome and I love it.
Same here but I see this show getting better as time goes on
@@juliandavis9711it’s still trash
@@raafeyplayz7015 haven't finished the latest season so idk
You have some very good and valid points and have actually changed my mind on a couple of things as someone who loves this show. Also with Crosshair, he says he removed his chip but he could very well be lying to attempt to convince his brothers to join the empire. I think this is somewhat further proved in the finale when you can see him grabbing his head. Anyway, great video regardless!
I actually like the plot twist that crosshair had removed his inhibitor chip, i think it adds more to his character and how not every clone was so opposed to the Empire like most were
But here’s the problem, why does Crosshair want to stay with the empire? Prior to getting influenced by the chip, he seemed chill with staying with the bad batch but after getting forced against his will to join the empire, after being forced to fight against his brothers, after being forced to murder people, he just apparently is fine with staying with the empire which is highly unrealistic, they should have established something about Crosshair being tired of the republic and the bad batch prior to getting influenced by the chip to justify his decision to stay with the empire
'like most were' how do you know most were opposed to the empire? we only get the perspective of a small number of un-chipped clones post-empire declaration.
considering they were raised with the idea of eventually being tools of the empire most would likely be ok with the empire it is after all the democratically elected successor to the republic.
@@fellowpassenger_54-67 most clones wouldve supported the empire even without their chips. They are trained to be extremely loyal to the chancellor/emperor. They valued the republic over their jedi generals. You had exceptions like rex who resisted the chip but most of them (like cody) attacked the jedi easily.
Eh, I have to disagree. This explanation applies more so to Legends where the Jedi and Clones have some animosity due to the former not liking how obedient and unquestioning the clones were while the clones didn’t like the incompetence of the Jedi. And when it comes to teaching clones independent thinking and the culture of painting their armor, that is more due to the Mandalorians, Alpha-17, and Anakin Skywalker than the Jedi Order. While most Jedi didn’t disrespect the clones, they never earned their respect making it easy to execute Order 66 for the clones without the inhibitor chips.
However with Canon things are different. Some Mandalorians like Fenn Rau and some Protectors and former Protectors were chosen along with bounty hunters, but Jango Fett kept a distance from the clones instead of training them personally like in Legends. Also, the Jedi actually try to establish connections with the clones instead of treating them as grunts. In Canon they are the ones who encourage the clone troopers to become more independent thinking. In some cases they become friends. There were still Jedi like Kota and Pong Krell who didn’t like clones or even hated them, but compared to Canon Jedi they looked like exceptions while with Legends Jedi they looked like extreme versions of regular Jedi.
Timeline-wise, the reason for this probably would be because the transition of the Jedi from peacekeepers to servants of the Senate happens later. The Ruusaan Reformation happens in both timelines about 32 years apart, so little change there. But in Canon it isn’t until the High Republic Era, about 300 years before the Galactic Civil War that the Republic and Jedi get far closer thanks to the Nihil Conflict. This is when the Republic first expands into the Outer Rim. In Legends, this expansion happened far earlier, during the era of wars between the Republic, Sith, and Mandalorians. I suppose that would mean in Canon the Jedi and Republic were the underdogs far more than in Legends if they weren’t able to expand into the Outer Rim on a mass level. Anyways, this latter start of the Jedi intertwining with the Republic government possibly leads to more Jedi still believing in expressing empathy and emotions. They still held fast to their doctrine of controlling their emotions to the extreme like Legends Jedi, but Canon Jedi may have been a little looser with following these rules due to not spending as much time with these rules. Of course this is speculation and not fact, so I can be damn wrong.
Anyways, the Jedi aren’t as strict compared to their Legends counterparts, so they forge relations with the clone troopers. Now every single one still is very loyal to the Republic when their inhibitor chip isn’t on. The thing is that Canon Jedi also taught the clone troopers a number of lessons while in Legends they usually ignored the clone troopers. We saw on Mandalore Ahsoka teaching students to question political leaders and tackle corruption in their government. We see Yoda tell clone troopers that even they have a connection to the Force like all other beings. So it’s likely they taught the clones a number of these lessons. While this might not have stopped all clones form carrying out Order 66 on their own, they likely would be hesitant enough for the Jedi to realize what was happening and fight back to escape. The Jedi who weren’t in combat were able to sense the deaths of their comrades and fought back, but this non-chip hesitation would have allowed Jedi in combat to survive as they were too busy fighting battle droids to realize their troops were about to gun them down. Hence why Jedi like Ahsoka, Cal Kestis, Caleb Dume, and Yoda were able to fight back and escape while Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi, and Aayka Secura were taken by surprise.
Now of course the inhibitor chips likely wore off maybe a year after being activated and yet clone troopers still served the Empire. Most of them only left because the Empire forcefully retired them. Why did most clones not leave on their own after the inhibitor chips? Well, besides the possibility they never found out about the chips and what happened to Kamino, they may have seen the Empire as the only route for them. Perhaps if the Jedi Order was alive, many clones would defect and join them as they have plenty of reason to hate the Empire, like tossing them out and replacing them with normal soldiers with getting compensated or trained for the civilian sector. Same thing if the Rebel Alliance existed. Clone Troopers, even at their best, are followers however. Most are not leaders, those who defy simply because they want to. And after the Clone Wars, there was nobody who was a “leader” to the clones besides the Empire. No other galactic size force to side with. The Jedi were wiped out, the Rebel Alliance was only formed when most of them were old, and the Separatist Holdouts along with Rebel Cells in the first decade of the Empire kept getting crushed or they were too small to make a difference. Nobody significant at all besides the Empire. No “leader” besides the Imperials. Of course a minority of clones stuck with the Empire long after their brothers were retired due to genuine belief and possibly luck. They mostly became drill instructors with only a few staying on as soldiers. If the Jedi had more time with the clone troopers, they could have taught them to be rebellious in the face of tyranny. If the 501st had been taught this lesson, they would have stopped Krell before it was too late and more clones may have believed Fives and even help him expose the inhibitor chips.
Overall, I believe your expectation doesn’t work as well in Canon. To put it in other words, it applies to most clones in Legends, but few clones in Canon. And it’s all thanks to how the Jedi act differently in a small way. If the Jedi had replicated their treatment of the clones to their relation with the general public, far fewer people may have believed hated the Jedi and supported the purge against them.
@@tristankawatsuma8962 dude go outside.
Personally, I would’ve preferred if the whole bad batch was fighting for the empire against their will then eventually get the chips removed by Rex near the end of the season and realize everything that they have done under the empire’s control, then they could’ve wondered about what their purpose is now that the war is over, this would’ve been far more interesting than just doing the whole “fight against the empire” plot that we’ve gotten so many times by now
Well fuck I want that series
OMEGA SHOULD NOT EXIST
I didn't mind Crosshair removing his chip. Adds a lot more room for development. I really hated the fact he shot his own team. I saw that coming lightyears away and I was hoping they wouldn't do that :/
The plot: Rogue Defective Clones who are on the run from the Empire
The actual Show: a bunch of pointless side quests for some dumb Trandoshan bint
Where are the Wookiees when you need them?
This title: exist
Bad batch fans and memers: “It’s treason then
The mercenary stuff was annoying. Like the main villains not showing up for 3 episodes? What? I loved the Ryloth stuff cuz it was relevant, showing the clones start to resist order 66. The finale was....weak. I expected a big old battle. Not to have Crosshairs go...oh ya i aint got chip. now lets run. Zero fighting aside from the training room scene. WEAK.
Yeah I thought there was gonna be some big battle where the clones revolted or something against the empire but it was the bad batch literally just escaping
My biggest gripe with the bad batch is that it’s a repeat of the same formulaic starwars story we’ve been getting for the past couple of years;
*an imperfect family roams the galaxy trying to find where they belong, running away and escaping bad guys, and protecting a character of vague importance.*
I get that starwars is all about family but the family in **this show** are all supposed to be soldiers, artificially created unstable elite soldiers no less.
I was really hoping for a *Band of Brothers* kind of narrative or something akin to the infamous “*501st Journal*” where it would talk about their lives and integral missions that either furthered the overall story of starwars or caused them to undergo actual character development. They’re commandos, I’m sure they’ve seen their fare share of shit while serving the GAR. Maybe we could’ve even seen them serve under the empire before they realized the horrible truth.
I disagree with you on some points but respect your perspective.
For one I really like crosshair’s arc, albeit you’re right some parts don’t make sense. But he is trying to find a meaning to his existence and he decide to latch on to the Empire, despite the fact that the Empire doesn’t care about clones, regs or not. Often times in real life we see people who stick around in abusive relationships because it fulfills some part of what that person is lacking in such a compelling manner that they’re willing to ignore some glaring red flags. I think Crosshair’s character perfectly illustrates this.
That said, I agree that the writers failed to capitalize on a huge treasure trove of opportunities in the other members of the Bad Batch. They don’t have to develop every single person this season, but at least have Echo reflect more about what is going on, and on some of the events that transpired while he was enslaved by the Techno Union. This is a character who was there from the very beginning, and has outlived many of the other established characters! Instead, he acts as if he is a new character with no connection to the clone wars. And his tech oriented powers is kinda redundant with Tech.
So Rex personally makes sense to me under the idea that you're dealing with clones that are going rogue and Rex I believe in Rebels made it to point to say that he went looking for any clones that he can that are rebelling that are rebelling so it makes sense that Rex would run into the bad batch
To be fair, Rex leads to the rest of the squad learning of and removing their chips.
I enjoyed the show but do agree with some of ur points like echo and tech deserved more. I think that’s why season 2 exists cause this was more of a let’s see what works and whatever characters we don’t use we can use next season. But like finale not having a Big Bang and characters aside I really enjoyed the show. It reminded me of early clone wars. Also I think it showed the transition between eras well. Note: Rex did have a impact he helped them get their chips removed and obviously they are starting a new story arc with him and some sort of new clone rebellion. And the crosshair twist was the best way they could go with the story, crosshair was a incredible character in this show while in clone wars I didn’t understand why he was like he was
2:40 watch ur mouth this arc is good
It actually is kinda good tbf
For me my expectations were met for this show. It has the best first season of the animations for me but not the best season. Yes cannot agree more that this would have benefitted from being released all at once. My favorite episodes were the once explaining the empire… warmantle (dub) the like 5 filler episodes were fine with didn’t need them but I don’t hate them. I love the Hera arc. Those two episodes and the one before were great because it showed the empire on a republic world and a separatist and just how the empire ruled. And then… the destruction of kamino. I loved it.
Also I don’t think cross hair actually has his chip removed. He had head ache in the last episodes and honestly I just think his chip was amplified so much he believes it’s not there.
Also as we all know these animations get better with each season. Season 1 of rebels and clone wars were meh but the last seasons of each were amazing
I think season 2 will most likely fix this as we saw in the clone wars, how it started kinda mediocre but then turned out the be kinda good near the middle to end
It shouldn't take the need for another season for a show to be "good"
No
My biggest problem with the show is omega. Let’s take a child to a war zone. This is becoming a common theme in Disney Star Wars. I didn’t understand why the empire destroyed its cloning facility on kamino. The empire had cleaned out the facility. So they just blew up some empty building for dramatic effect. This is also a good example filoni bending the rules for his story. In ashoka one star destroyer at close range can’t kill a group of people on the ground. In bad batch 3 Venentor destroyers wipe out a city in seconds.
Personaly i really enjoyed the show but I get some of the criticisms towards it but I still love it regardless. Clones doing cool shit is all I ever really wanted from this show and I got what I wanted 😊
How can you say rex served no purpose when without him the batch would all still have their chips.
I'm surprised there aren't more comments bringing this up. He just said "Rex doesn't fit in the narrative" and then completely skipped over the part about him helping the Bad Batch remove their chips.
So? The incident with wrecker would still happen and they would find a medical droid to remove it.
@@Сайтамен Not really, without Rex they would still have their chips
6:07 if Rex didn’t show up the season would have been shorter and the bad batch may have had wrecker go with the empire which helps out a lot considering his size
This is pretty much exactly how I felt. I decided to watch it every morning with my breakfast. After about episode six, I started questioning wether it was worth my time to keep watching at all. The show wasn’t bad, it was just predictable and kind of boring. And their incompetence really started to get to me. If they had always been this incompetent, there would be no way their group would’ve survived this long.
And Omega. May be a Disney thing, but we really have to have some sort of child in every new show huh. You already know they’re not gonna kill her off or get rid of her in any way any time soon, so everything involving her becomes trivial and feels less serious.
Star Wars has had children in almost everything, Prequels, Clone Wars, Rebels and Mandalorian.
Well this aged well
I seriously don't understand how you don't think Rex is important.He literally is the most important character appearence of the series and Crosshair is an incredible character ngl
Random dude that has no big impact on things. Fun to see but not important.
@@eetueella Rex assisted them about removing their inhibitor chips and is now a close contact of The Bad Batch.The removal of the inhibitor chips was very significant to this series.No other character could've replaced him as he's the only clone that the bad batch know and trust that has had his inhibitor chip removed.
What did Tarkin do?Hardly anything
What did Cut do?Hardly anything
What did Saw Garrea do?Nothing
What did Fennec do which another character couldn't?Nothing
What did Bib Fortuna do?Nothing
What did Trace and Rafa do which different character couldn't?Nothing
What did Cad Bane do?Kidnap Omega for a cliffhanger and then do nothing
@@weezzy4209 Both tech and omega could have filled the role of Rex in the show
@@ambieorjames3639 He's also an ally/contact of the batch and either way he's still the most significant appearence of the series.
Maybe it's just me but personally find Crosshairs more intersting after learning that he already removed his inhibitor chip and it makes me want to see more of him. Almost every character we know that ditched the Empire do it because they're evil and doing wrong (and they're right, I'm not gonna argue) but we almost never see the pov from the "good" guys who chose to stay with the Empire. Crosshairs stayed not for the sake of following orders but because he wants to be on the winning side so I can't wait to see more of his journey. Hope it's something like Thrawn's story where he follows the bad guys while having good intentions. Hell, I'd watch a whole movie starring Yularen's perspective.
I stopped watching like half the season in and I don't feel like I've missed a thing.
Omega's existence is such a slap in the face to the lore that I refuse to watch this show.
@@Misery7531 There's everything bad about this show, it's trash.
Bruh I don’t know what your talking about Crosshair was always as an asshole, when the first ep came out I called it that Crosshair would have joined the empire with or without the chip, which is why I really wasn’t invested in his character in the beginning
To be fair, there was only one technical filler episode, which was infested. I love hearing other opinions on Star Wars even if I don’t like them. But look at clone wars season 1. Yeah there was rookies and Ryloth, but it was an overall 5/10. I’m gonna get a lotta flack for this, Bad batch did more in there first season than clone wars did.
I liked the finale (but have mixed feelings about omega going after AZ) but just take a very small look at where they left us: Crosshair is still imperial but we know that he’s not a jerk and will be conflicted through season 2. And Nala Se is on palpatines cloning facility which MAYBE will lead to hunting omega (again) but more importantly will lead into the mandalorian. You like it when character timelines line up together, right? Well, there you go
I truly didn't like rex and cad bane cameo
In a universe with a hundreds of Bounty hunters we picked the most fearsome oh then which is bane and made him lose to Fennec, to literally who??
Fennec wasn't even one of the good bounty hunter if she was a good bounty hunter she would had been invited to dooku's Box
Sadly Fennec being portrayed as uber competent is likely intentional on Disney's part. We've already seen they are obsessed with making female characters look as competent as possible and the fact she's played by a Chinese actress, who Disney has made no secret they want to suck up to as much as possible, it's a two for one deal.
That little “wait that sounds familiar” was me at the end of every episode in the second half 😂 the basic story structure is almost an exact copy of Mando S1 with more filler
Idk about y’all but I’m still pissed about Tipoca City 😠
The most interesting thing about this show was the conflict between Crosshair and his former brothers.
I also disagree with your take on the cameos. It is forced fanservice. The fact of the matter is, there’s different ways they can advance each story and interconnect it without having the characters constantly meeting each other, other shows have done it (like The Expanse). The idea of Star Wars being this big galaxy loses its meaning when you put all these characters in the same room and they can all point to each other as to when and how they’ve met. Bad Batch meets Caleb Dume, whom Hunter helps, and then they also meet Hera Syndulla too? Also, does Fennec Shand and Cad Bane have to be there? Are there no other bounty hunters in the galaxy? Can we get some Haxion Brood bounty hunters? And Saw Gerrera too. Come on! It’s the same side characters getting recycled over and over again. I can buy the Hera Syndulla thing, but the fact that they meet 2 main characters from Rebels is just a little too fanservicey. Disney shouldn’t have to rely on cameos and whole episodes on other characters just to sustain your interest in their new show. It’s same thing they did with BOBF.
Off topic but Saw Gerrera is the Nick Fury of Disney Canon
actually I like the first season. It was like an explanation of things of what happened to certain people or places. The animation was very good. Though the ending was kind of a big "EHH" but it left me wanting more at the end of the day. Looking forward to season 2.
I think I liked it more than you, but I definitely felt underwhelmed a lot. They rarely made most of the Batch feel like real characters and there was a bit too much filler considering this is the early part of their story and where we really need to be exploring the characters.
One of the weakest traits of newer SW material is the major inconsistency with the power levels of characters. This has been an issue even since The Clone wars and has seemed to have gotten worse in Rebels, the Mandalorian and the newer shows. In some situations we can’t even blame plot armor anymore. These random Joe blow Mary Sue characters will come out of nowhere and take on some of the most battle hardened characters in Star Wars like it’s nothing.
Cad Bane who has taken on elite Jedi loses to Fennec Shand. Hunter who is a genetically modified freak of nature who we’ve seen destroy platoons of droids with barely any effort gets beat up by Fennec Shand. Ahsoka Tano the master who has gone Toe to Toe with Vader, Maul and Greivous struggles against some old lady with a spear. Koska Reeves who is Half the size of Boba Fett and less experienced than him holds her own against him.
It makes me wonder if the writers actually think these kind of things through or if they just go “In this scene, this guy is gonna fight this guy!, make it look cool and stuff”.
I mean as Stan Lee once said “Who would win? Well it would depend on who I want to win if I’m writing the script!” Idk sometimes certain characters are able to win simply cuz the situation was in their favor, thats how I see it anyway.
I thought this show was great with cool characters, animation, pacing, world building and for the most part the stakes
8.5 / 10
Better than anything the prequels did
I think you vastly underestimate how releasing the entirety of a show at once DESTROYS any hype that can be generated, instead of the show lasting a month or two in people's minds its gonna be a week. Like The Last of Us proved why its a good strategy
I haven't seen the video because I haven't watch bad batch YET. I'm planning to watch it soon bit now my standards have dropped a bit. If it's truly disappointing thanks for the heads up
The show may be mediocre but I gotta say, this show is just gorgeous visually and Dee Bradley Baker is fantastic as always so atleast it has those things going for it.
I very much agree
Ok but, can we talk about how stunning this show looks, the forest planet looks live action
You just not gonna mention how old Fennec Shand has to be in order to be here?
Okay...
I don't disagree with most of this, you raised some good points. But then I remembered you think Rebels is good, so I have to take everything you said with a grain of salt
Reality Fact. Cloning is a business to the Kaminoans. Their customer wanted a functioning clone army. The Customer will get a Clone Army. Any and all Clones that don't function as expected or deviate from the desired norm are failures and killed.
The entirety of Bad Batchs existence is false.
You do not disrespect the d squad/meebur episode. Yes that is the first episode to pop into my head for season 5. Obi wans meat sleeve was irrelevant. D squad aged better than bad batch
To be fair it’s only the first season which most first seasons take the time to expand on characters and motivations. I wouldn’t say disappointing, but compared to the last arch of the Clone Wars… doesn’t come anywhere near the level of storytelling and emotion. I look forward to season 2 and seeing how Dave Filoni fits it into the rest of the Star Wars universe he is building.
This show should’ve been an anthology show just like clone wars we could’ve seen what Rex and Ahsoka were doing what earth maul was doing an arc with some random clones and how they felt maybe even seen vader or palpatine or the inquisitors or maybe even the rebellion being formed. During every episode I was just like why did they choose this I can think of so many more interesting things going on in the galaxy
I hated how awesome and how they were presented as an elite squad with unique skills and talents in the clone wars, in the bad batch it feels like they missed that.
Episode 1 was so good. Cid episodes were so bad. And some episodes were average or above average
Watch this show if you're a diehard prequel/clone wars fan. Also I think this show should be maybe like 10 episodes instead of 16
I've been binging on this show and am halfway through season 3 so far. Fortunately, season 2 and 3 were big improvements and begun to actually make it feel meaningful and fit into something bigger in the star wars universe such as Sidious' plans. Glad I wasn't the only one annoyed by Crossfire's inhibitor chip. I saw that as a glaring continuity error. It is as if they decided to do something different with his character after already writing in that the empire boosted his chip. They even made a note to explain that his inhibitor chip was working better than the others, but still not entirely, which explained his behavior with the squad about it initially.
The Bad Batch? You mean the OMEGA show?
Honestly character wise I don't care 100% but i like in term of expanding the lore, by showing us the transition to the empire and how that is impacting on various worlds
I didn't even make it halfway through Season 1. The individual members of the Bad Batch are cartooney, exaggerated, cliched archetypes, and I found the copy-pasted clones to be far more interesting.
Also, like Clone Wars, Bad Batch is a grind to watch due to loads of boring filler. I think I stopped watching after the episode with the young rancor because it was a snoozefest. Same reason I stopped watching The Mandalorian after travel biscuits.
And finally, for a show that takes place during the rise of the Empire, I was expecting a lot of tension, but what little tension I felt totally dissipated after the first episode or two. The Clone Wars 4-part finale was an absolute nail biter all the way through, though it is inherently more intense when it follows longtime fan favorite characters as opposed to a bunch of new ones. Regardless, Bad Batch had an opportunity to show us all the suspense and dread of defected clones evading the newly formed Empire, and for me it failed to do that.
There are a couple points I disagree with here, but overall Bad Batch was pretty disappointing for me as well.
I think that the transition away from episodic storytelling in Star Wars has been pretty harmful overall. A big pitfall of cerealized storytelling in Star Wars is that the Mandalorian and the Bad Batch all have one long, continuous story which means that the stories can't shake off their bad ideas quite so easily. Clone Wars and Rebels had their bad episodes or and bad arcs, but that was okay because worst-case scenario they could just dust themselves off and come back next week.
Remember that immediately after Clone Wars' arc of droids bumbling around the desert, arguably one of the most boring parts of the series, comes Maul's conquest of Mandalore.
I am really of the opinion Crosshair's arc needed to happen. The introduction of the inhibitor chips in the Clone Wars removed a big portion of what made order 66 so meaningful and poignant. Military forces are central to the maintenance of an autocratic regime. To me it was obvious that the clones would choose Palpatine's new order over any loyalty to the Jedi Order, not because they were mind controlled, but because they were a militaristic force bred to restore security and ensure the continuity of the regime they served. That means you could tell a much more compelling story when you realised the army, shown to be gallant and heroic, is just like any other military force in history can be, an institution of oppression and an instrument of political violence.
Returning characters are cool but they put too many man, like too many.
What makes me appreciate the show, is it’s heavily character based. It relies on you caring deeply about these characters, and i cannot lie, i fell in love with them almost immediately. I completely understand the gripes w the show. But i think what makes you not like the show is exactly what makes me love it. It’s a much smaller more personal story almost separated from the main. “Star wars” story I also waited for all episodes to be out so i could binge it.
But the characters really dont care about each other. The biggest one being that they dont seem to care about saving Crosshair. His forced defection, especially after they learn about the chips, should be almost a constant source of conflict within the group. Maybe have Echo and Wrecker be the ones who want to create plans to bring him back whereas Hunter and Tech say it's too dangerous and say they have to protect Omega. But theres nothing. Even Hunter seems mildly displeased they left Crosshair behind rather than genuinely conflicted.
Plus, theres barely any banter. Compare this to Republic Commando or even Wrecker and Crosshairs competition in Season 7 and it becomes very obvious.
And heres a question that we should know by now because we've had a whole season with these characters: if Hunter was to die, who would take command?
For as dull as it could be at times, if season 2 is anything we’re hoping it’ll be I’ll be able to look past it.
Personal head canon that crosshair either lied about the removal of his chip or was programmed/ had false memories implanted to believe he did
Why? How does that make any sense?
I was hoping for a darker take on these characters, kind of a Halo Reach theme where you watch your favourite characters slowly get picked off throughout the story until the last man. However, to reference one of your other videos, Star Wars in recent times seems to have a problem with killing off characters.
We got to wait for season 3 thats where everything gets better
That's BS. We shouldn't have to wait until season 3 for this show to get good. Are you kidding me? 🤦♀️
2:44 This effing arc oh my God was it a rollercoaster for me.
dude i got soooo hyped after watching the first episodes and by episode 4 i realized it was just gonna be mid
Crosshair without his chip is the best thing about this show, a clone with a lot more morality and personality than any other of the characters in this show. He reminds me of the old clones in legends who had to choose their path themselves instead of some chip forcing them to kill Jedi
I enjoyed it honestly. But i would have enjoyed them more if they wherent the bad batch. Instead if they where a clone commando team, and not the Misfits of cast off marvel/DC heroes
I don't understand why Crosshair choosing evil makes him uninteresting or entirely sympathetic. Isn't it interesting to have the perspective of a person who genuinely thinks the Empire is the right faction to join for their own reasons? Almost every proper Imperial character we get is either cartoonishly evil (not that that is a bad thing with the role of such characters in their stories) or defects to the good guys, so why can't we have someone who chooses evil and stays with evil because they perceive themselves as right?
It makes it more interesting that crosshair had his chip removed? Nice twist gave him more of a interesting personality and thought process would’ve been boring if it was as straightforward as removing it and he’s good now
Filoni: "Hey remember how we made the Mandalorian about a tough and gruff killer finding a child and making a found family story? LETS DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!!" XD
When I saw the title I was really afraid that this video was gonna get disliked bombed because you actually make a lot of valid points. Yes the updates on the lore regarding the rise of the empire was awesome but the story tends to drag a lot
How could you have wanted a Bad Batch series since 2014 when they didn't exist to us until 2020? Wtf?
bad batch was in season seven of clone wars and the unreleased clone wars content lol. if you haven't watched season seven of the clone wars then I recommend because it introduced the bad batch as well as echos backstory in the first few episodes
I think the empire brainwashed him to think the chi was removed
"I could write 10 seasons of..."
Okay so do it
Would you like me to send you a doc or a pdf?
@@SheevTalks Doc please, I'd like to read it :)
@@sleeksays2858 cool. I’ll either write it up for you or just turn it into a video one day. who knows
Part 1 of my full series reworking.Sorry for how long this is but I was really passionate about completing this but I hope you enjoy reading regardless.Please feel free to let me know anything you liked or anything you want improving.
My version will have only have 10 episodes but will have a flexible runtime like The Mandolorian.This means the episodes can range from 22 minutes to 70 minutes.This would benefit series as it allow each episode to be an appropriate length without rushing or dragging episodes.
Characters:
I would add character arcs for each character which would be established at the beginning of the season to then be payed off at the end.
Hunter: Starts as a reluctant hero inconfident in his ability to lead independently without the republic to become a confident leader with his complete trust in his squad.
Wrecker: Starts as a hyperactive child and ends as a father figure role.
Tech:Starts as a cold calculating Narasasst unable to properly express himself to a caring and intelligent human.
Echo:Starts blinded by the nostalgia of the glory days of been a regular arc trooper of the 501st refusing to accept his new self to become a fully formed bad batcher using his enhancements for much more such as weaponary and accepting who he truly is. Similar to Cyborg in Zack Synder's Justice League.
Crosshair is perfection and will be unaltered.
Episodes:
Episodes will mostly stay the same but will include my ideas and improvements.
Episode 1: Aftermath
Runtime:70 Minutes
•Caleb and Depa are replaced by new jedis.Their inclusion achieved nothing other than a stupid guest appearence and completely retconed and ruined the better version of the story
•Saw Garrea would be replaced by a new character wanting to fight against the empire.
•Echo would be established to have a struggle with his identity and would be still experience PTSD (There would be scenes such as him going to pick things up with his cyborg arm or how he feels uncomfortable around computers)
•Tech would be highlighted to be narasasstic.
Episode 2: Cut And Run
Runtime:35 minutes
•The episode would focus more on the bad batch discovering about the Empire's new protocols.
•The Bad Batch would earn food and supplies from the Lawquenes.
•Wrecker's Hyperactivity would be highlighted.
•Wrecker's inhibitor chip begins to activate.
•Tech and Echo would have a rivalry established.
•This episode would begin a 2nd plotline with the Kaminoans and the empire. This plotline would show Crosshair and will also explain the reasons behind the empire's action ma towards kamino and the clones.
•Tarkin would reveal to kamino the official cancellation of Jango fett clones.The Empire cancelled the production due to wanting the Kaminoans to focus on different projects.The Kaminoans believe they are now independent from the empire but Tarkin tells them they are still working for the empire and will not be payed for their work due to them been Empire "allies." Kaminoans realise they are now Slaves to the Empire.
•Crosshair is sent on a mission to assinate a bunch of robbers who are stealing from the empire.Crosshair's accuracy and creativity is highlighted on this mission establishing him as a competent threat.
Episode 3: Replacements
Runtime:30 Minutes
The Bad Batch
•Hunter's hunting/enhanced senses are used and are important to their survival in this episode and Hunter explains to Omega how he controls them.
•Hunter would have a theme for when his abilities are used.
•Wrecker's chip increases in intensity.
•Tech and Echo have an argument because Tech wanted to experiment and improve Echo's cyborgnetic enhancements which infuriated Echo as to him that makes it seem as if he isn't a brother to him but more of a test subject.Echo insults Tech calling him a machine maniac and Tech insults Echo by claiming that he can do anything he can.The argument is broken up by Hunter.
•Echo is shown to be cleary struggling with his mental state.Echo is blindimg himself into a false reality where he is still a regular soldier he is in Stage 1 of grief:Denial.
Kamino
•The same as the actual episode but the civilians are working for the replacement character I had for Saw in Episode 1.
Episode 4: Rampage
Runtime:35 Minutes
The Bad Batch
•This would be a combination of Episode 4 and 5.As the Bad Batch would be on a random mission for Cid on Zygerria but will be intercepted by Fennec Shand.
•The episode would highlight how the empire impacted Zygerria.
•The Episode would focus on Wrecker and Omega's dynamic.
•Wrecker would learn to control his emotions more as his destructive nature caused Omega to become seriously injured.
•Wrecker would win the fight with Fennec but would only lose because his chip comes close to full activation which causes him to collapse.Basically the scene from episode 6.
•Echo would recultantly fake been a droid to complete the mission but Echo loses his temper when the zygerrians treat him like a useless droid.Echo would break the plan and go on a murderous rampage.Stage 2:Anger
•Before the bad batch leave the planet, Rex in his cloak sees the batch fly off.
•After the mission, Echo would sit alone and reflect on what he had caused.He is comforted as he goes to talk to him as Wrecker understands what he feels as he's experienced uncontrollable angry urges for destruction his whole life.Wrecker would awkwardly explain how war is supposed to be about defending your squad and reckless decisions can sort of put them in danger.This conversation would highlight Wrecker's maturity towards violence and destruction.
Kamino
•Crosshair and his squad would be assigned to hunt and eliminate the mini rebellion shown in episode 1.Crosshair would execute the leader half way through his final words.
•The Kaminoans send Fennec Shand to hunt Omega as she is a new skilled bounty hunter but works for a cheap cost.They want Omega to either bargin with empire with the production of more Clones or use Omega to create an army to rebel against the empire.
•Tarkin would discuss with other high ranking imperial officers about the involvement of Kamino in the future of the empire and how they plan to use regular people (Stormtroopers) as a messed up way of the empire expressing "equality" and "justice" for people in the galaxy who has no job of purpose in the galaxy.
•Essentially,The Kaminoans and the empire would be like the Maul and Viszla dynamic in the episode "eminence" by how both are working with each other but both sides know the other is planning to betray them so each side is planning a plan to stop the other.
•Crosshair is analysing all the reports of the Bad Batch how they are hopping planet to planet accomplishing dangerous missions for basic supplies.This slightly angers Crosshair.
Episode 5:Battle Scars
Runtime:35 minutes
The Bad Batch
•Rex and Echo would have many conversations together during their journey to bracca such as Fives and their thoughts on the empire.
•Rex tells Echo the whole story about Fives and the inhibitor chips and also adds how Fives told him he would do anything to ser Echo or hear Echo repeat an order to him one more time.
•Echo is truely tested to his allegiance to the Bad Batch as him seeing Rex again wants him to go back to someone he is more close to.
•Rex tells Echo he isn't the same good soldier he once was, Echo makes the final decision to stay with the bad batch as fighting with the squad makes him still feel like a Solider of the Republic.Stage 3:Bargaining.
Kamino:
•The Kaminoans are analysing the Bad Batch and understanding the failure of their inhibitor chips aswell as ways they could possibly replicate them into a full army with Omega's DNA.
•Crosshair gets the report from the bracca scrappers and requests permission to hunt them down.
Part 2:
Episode 6:Reunion
Runtime:25 Minutes
•Only 1 slight change:Hunter's senses are damaged slightly by the ion engine which is why he can't sense when Cad Bane would pull his blaster.
Episode 7:Bounty Lost
Runtime:30 Minutes
The Bad Batch:
•They capture and question Fennec on why she has been hunting Omega.She initially refuses to reveal anything but Wrecker breaks her leg which makes her reveal why.She explains how The Empire is aware that Kaminoans are planning a secert project which could potentially compromise a new project for the empire called "war mantle." The Kaminoans are wanting to experiment with Omega as her DNA is very valuable to their plans.
Kamino:
•Tarkin hears Fennec's success to keep Omega out of Kaminoan hands was successful and says that this success keeps the future of project War Mantle stable.
Episode 8:Rescue On Ryloth
Runtime:45 Minutes
•Combination of both Ryloth episodes
•Less time with Hera and more focused on the planet as a whole.
•Hunter and Tech talk about the squad and how both have mixed feelings on how they can continue surviving independently and been opposed against the empire
Episode 9:War Mantle
Runtime:45 Minutes
•This episode would focus on Echo and Tech and we learn about them personally.
•The Facility Gregor is captured also contains a database containing files of upcoming and present projects empire has ready.Tech plans on copying these data files for him to study.
•Since this is a large scale battle they use one of their battle plans like how plan 82 was shown in Clone Wars Season 7.
•Echo teaches squad he'll be going in to save Gregor with or without them and he'll gladly die fighting.Stage 4:Depression.
•After rescuing Gregor, the squad fake their escape to go to the data facility compound.Tech and Echo go inside while Hunter and Gregor defend the entrance.
•When first entering, Echo refuses to properly assist Tech in speeding up the process as the room they are in is scarily similar to the one he was held in after the Citadel.
•The pace of the episode slows down to focus opon Tech and Echo talking about themselves
•Tech would talk about The Bad Batch's past and how they were like during the war.He would also bring up how Crosshair never used to be so pessimistic and how the war sort of changed him for the worse.Tech explains that he acts the way he does because he's afraid if he overexposes himself his emotions would damage him as a soldier and the success of each mission due to his intelligence can not be compromised by his own personal feelings.
•Echo would talk about the story of Domino Squad and then to his promotion to the 501st.He would also mention how Wrecker reminds him off his old friend Hardcase.Echo explains he's afraid of embracing his new self in case the machine of himself takes over from the human.
•Tech and Echo each learn a lesson from each other.
•Echo teaches Tech that fighting as a perfect soldier means nothing if what he is fighting for means nothing to him.Emotion is what makes the victories worth it.
•Tech tells Echo that he will be forevered enslaved to the machines that tortured him if he doesn't take action to fight against them and control them which allow him to truely move on.
•Due to several encryptions that Tech us struggling to break which is showing the process,Hunter tells Tech and Echo to hurry as him and Gregor are becoming overwhelmed with troops.Echo tells Tech to allow him to connect to the database and will use his cyborgnetics break any encryptions.Echo finally accepts him to be an enhanced clone.Echo finally conquers his fears and destroys his nightmares.No longer is he a regular 501st clone he's a member of Clone Force 99.Stage 5:Acceptance.
•Before they leave to save Hunter and Gregor, Echo asks Tech if he still wanted to make those modifications to his arm.
•The situation looks bleak for the bad batch as the troops won't stop coming until Echo shows up with his new interchangeable arm.Echo with a rapid fire blaster cannon with multiple lock on missle cannons surrounding the cannon open fires on the countless troops giving the bad batch a huge advantage.
•Echo's arm is now interchangeable which can form into different unique weapons and tools like the hot toy Echo had.
Episode 10:Return To Kamino
Runtime:50 Minutes
•Combination of the final episodes
Bad Batch
•Echo would his arm to assist the squad in their survival.
•Hunter has a short motivational speech about how he knows this squad has struggled since the collapse of the republic but he tells them that they were once the most successful troopers in the republic and it's time to regain our title, For the Republic.
•After they reach the maurder, Echo stands alone looking at the destruction of the city.He sheds a tear.Tech walks over to him with a look of deep sadness.Echo tells Tech about his time with Domino Squad and how no one believed they would ever become arc troopers but they proved them wrong.Fives and him defended kamino until their last breath:they earned their rank as arcs troopers but their victory is now pointless.Tech comforts Echo by telling him that "No one believes in this squad either we are just seen as some losers with mutations but we will strike a blow against this empire.The empire may have destroyed our past but they can not destroy our futures we must continue to fight." Echo responds with "Live to fight another day." Tech and Echo have a brotherly hug.
•Hunter declares to the squad their new mission is to directly join the battle with the kaminoans and hopefully use the gathered intel from Tech and Echo and help them become 1 step ahead of the empire.
Kamino
•Nale Se is greeted by the scientist and is informed that she will apart of one of the empire's most important projects.She asks what type of army will she be creating, the scientist responds with "not an army, a singular life form directly requested by the highest ranks of the Galactic Empire.The majority of the details of this project are highly classified under the name of project Starkiller....."
The only thing this show did right was make Scorch Imperial-aligned and pretty competent. We need the full Delta Squad to finish these defectives off at some point.
My expectations were a good not great show, and it met them. Hopefully the formula that made the Clone Wars succeed will work here too.
The first Ryloth arc was the only good part of the show, you can’t change my mind
Agree with everything but that youngling arc was great.
Definitely do not agree about crosshair point. With the chip still intact it is predictable about what he may be feeling, his Choice is not his own. Certainly tragic, but that doesn’t compare to the emotional toll that having the chip removed and still serving the empire hunting his brothers WILLINGLY. This can really be taken in a lot of ways with him possibly finding his way back to the group and choosing his humanity over his soldier-related ambitions, or the exact opposite and embracing the empire and making the crew make a choice to put him down or something like that which adds far more depth than just it wasn’t his fault. This makes it HIS fault, HIS decision which holds different weight. Just a thought!
Watch it all together at once instead of having to wait weekly. A much better experience. Idk what people expected from this show but don't watch it if you dislike it
I agree with all your points except Crosshair. In my opinion, Crosshair having his chip removed but still choosing to serve the Empire adds more to the story than takes away. For one, while I agree that the time frame and causality of Crosshair getting it removed should of been better explained, it does not change that the story is now made more complex and compelling because of it. As you admitted, clones being forced to carry out atrocities against their will has already been done, and it would do the story no favors to just make it another "Clone Victim" story. Because simply put, it would make the conflict with Crosshair too easy. I'll be fair, much of this does come from my bias against the Inhibitor Chip concept and preferring how Clones and Order 66 were handled in the old EU. That being said, let's just say that the story did what you suggested, Crosshair would just be a mindless Zombie until the Bad Batch in some Finale capture him, remove his chip, and then boom. They are back to being buddies. It would be too easy and it would not make the conflict nor redemption feel earned. But now with his chip gone, it adds ramifications to his actions and choices, because they are his choices. As such there is no magic surgery that can solve the problem, this is no "It's not his fault." Crosshair legit believes what the Empire stands for, and when you actually think about it in the context of the old clone lore, why wouldn't they? They were bred their entire life to be loyal to a system and cause, to defend and serve its will even at the expense of their own lives. The clones were taught this since birth and not every clone is going to get the kind of individuality discovery that men in the 501st and 212th. As such, serving the Empire was just doing the same thing as serving the Republic. The theme runs with how to adjust to change, do you adapt and build a new life? Do you fight for what you had before? Or do you cling to what you have left? Crosshair is choosing the third option because he legit believes that without the Empire, his life would have no purpose or meaning, that combined with the fact that when he was Brainwashed, his squad in his eyes abandoned and betrayed him. Now the fact he was left to die in the end of the first season and the Empire carrying its acts even further, especially once clones start getting phased out will likely start getting to Crosshair and allow him to develop to either a slow redemption, or perhaps someone worse. And the fact that clones like Howzer show the effects of the chips are not permanent, shows that now all clones are not going to have to make that choice to some capacity.
It’s treason, then
Definitely agree it’s mediocre. All the reasons you said but a personal reason for me is that I miss seeing Jedi and Sith. Clones are cool but the Force is more interesting. I hope they introduce a NEW Jedi or Inquisitior or something. I don’t want a returning character
Mixed reactions with Omega but I must say I love this character so, so, so very much. Some won't agree some will but I just love this character and want to see her grow.
u wouldn't be able to write 10 seasons of this show if u could u wouldn't have a yt channel talking about how mediocre this show is
what
At this point I trust the animated side of Star Wars and Dave Filoni.
Looking at The Clone Wars’ first two seasons and Rebels season 1, they weren’t all that great either. But once you pushed past those first few introductions, the shows pick up and become some of the best Star Wars media out there. I feel The Bad Batch will be no different.
I like the argument but this is just season 1 people sead this about the clone wars back then so I am going to give it time.