Honda Push Mower Camshaft Issue...Is it really that bad?
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- In this video, Honda Push Mower Camshaft Issue...Is it really that bad?
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I have owned a Honda push mower for 10 years and I mow 1/4 acre and it has never failed me. I did have to have carb cleaned this year, first time in 10 years. I shut off fuel after using and let the engine run until it dies. Use premium fuel with additive to prevent sediments from forming.
I'm just annoyed Honda is taking their sweet time announcing what specific mowers are affected. My new HRN & HRX are still working fine, but who knows if they'll have this issue.
The number of units affected is huge and occurs in both engines used on new mowers. Honda does not have a serial number break as they are all over the map at this point, they still don't know the scope. Injury liability is why they issued the stop sale.
Just picked up a 2020 HRX 217 today for $200. Looks practically new, I wonder if the guy ever even used it. Pulls fine, no signs of any issues. Couldn't beat the price so it was worth the risk to me.
Bought a new 217HRX in May 2023. Cut a 20x40ft piece of lawn and it broke. Take it back to dealer and they assembled a new 217HRX and been using it since May. Early August 2023 the second broke. Now we wait for direction. Not pleased to say the least.
I used to buy Honda mowers and flip them for a profit, as there is always some guy who is willing to drive 30 miles and pay asking price, so as an investment they take the cake. From my experience with small engines, Japan rarely had serious manufacturing defects until now. You could see, however, that the time was near for this kind of thing to happen (as the seals issue first appeared) probably because there's too many language barriers in the production process due to manufacture and assembly often being outside Japan (meaning not only can a small detail or part be left out or put in wrong, but materials science is now affected).
Ya, lets see that cam replacement video.
The new 200cc is NOT an overhead camshaft like your 190cc. From what I have read the entire 200cc engine must be disassembled to get to the cam, unlike your 190cc. On top of that the entire mower must be disassembled before the engine can be removed for disassembly
It’s not an overhead camshaft. You have to disassemble the entire engine.
I've done a number of these repairs, it does not require complete disassembly of the mower. I typically require about 1.25 hours to complete the job. This engine series is actually well engineered for service as opposed to replacing a bent crank in Honda's older engines, imo.
@@billcoomber4642 Re: "This engine series is actually well designed", and "I've done a number of these repairs..."
This engine has only been on the market for 4yrs. If you say you have done a number of these repairs, and go on to rave about how great of an engine is, my bull$hit meter pegs into the red zone. If it was well engineered you would not have had to do a number of these repairs on engines less than 4yrs old. Tell me how the older Honda engines were having bent cranks without operator error.
This is coming from a loyal Honda fan that has been driving Hondas for 27yrs, and 23yrs ago my Accord saved my life when an elderly Woman fell asleep behind the wheel and rear ended me. I am not a Honda hater, but I have got to call Bull$hit on your statement
@@WisconsinEriccalm down he’s probably a Honda tech and has been doing these nonstop. I bet he knows what he’s talking about
I absolutely love my Honda mower, although I think mine is one of the affected ones because sometimes you can't even pull the rope to start it
Yes it only affects the newer design and is not an "easy fix" the cam is in a different location than the older 190cc engines
Want one, can't find one, they pulled ALL the Honda mowers. Honda really taking their time addressing the issue, to the point I'm wondering if retailers will bother carrying them if/when the issue is addressed. Not interested in the Bad Boy.
Hello, I have a Gcv 170 and I would like to know how I can solve the problem with the cam shaft
Had that issue with my 217. Fixed under warranty fortunately. Also had the carb block up. Piece of crap really. 15 months on I've had no further probs so far
I love my Honda mower, but I think it does have this problem, but I can fix it. My biggest complaint is that Honda is going to quit making mowers because they are unsurpassed in the market, but I'm proud to own the best
just not making them in the US...
Bought a toro 21 commercial gxv 160 honda the cam wore out in 60 hours replace cam but still think it wearing by the color of the oil I think the shaft out of tolerance never hit anything with the mower.
For the record I have a HRX217 200cc build 12/20 purchased 3/21. 3rd season with no issues, yet!
How can you tell by the serial# is it the first 3 numbers used.
On another channel a tech commented that the fix takes 2 1/2 hours and Honda reimburses the dealer 1 1/2 hours.
I just ordered one yesterday March 30th 2024 and hoping they have fixed this cam issue by now !
i have a 2003 Honda mower still starts 1 or 2 pulls , i love it ,,,sad i can not buy a new one
Got mine in March thought I got lucky cause it worked every time. Then Nope just happened to me yesterday just dropped it off at the dealer. When it recoiled I felt like my arm was going to get pulled out of the socket.
I agree with you that the Honda mower design and how it cuts is superb overall to cheaper brands. My use is residential, so I don't have the concerns of someone earning a living with equipment. But that said, at that price I don't want a mower with a "personality" I have to adjust to. I've repaired small engines myself for over 50 years. I'd like to see a cam part that creates this issue. Maybe there is a simple "update" to make it work properly - because it seems parts are not out there yet for this problem. I suspect the centrifugal arm that controls the valve trim is not returning to the at rest position. I bought an HRX217 back in March from Home Depot and didn't start using it until late April. My HRX217 had about 4 hours on it before I got the compression lock issue. So after getting this, I remember to be careful on starts so I don't pull my shoulder out. And yes, it is under warranty, but there is only one nearby Honda dealer and they are busy!
Apparently the supplier of the cam after they molded, the part didn’t let the plastic cool completely before read assembling the arm. I guess that causes the arm to malfunction probably as you stated, it’s only certain certain number mowers that are affected as well.
@@GwinnettLawns OK, one wonders if with use (and a bit of wear) things will loosen up and the problem gone? 🙂
Nope, the cam will not wear itself into working with use. It's one molded piece including the lobes, so it's designed not to wear out quickly. There is no quick fix.
As soon as you start buying commercial material for the cheap and the like, there are always moments like this.
As a 41 year old I literally grew up with an HR216, my parents had a large garden. I now live in that house….
As indicated, an HRH or an HRC is for the enthusiast who likes to spend a little more or have a budget. You will also get a pro series instead and there will be few problems. Maintenance is always there. The Honda GXV160 rarely fails.
As a worthy alternative, choose a Stihl RM series. They also have a better collection of grass than Honda, the build quality is very solid.
Just stay away from that cheap junk! That is my advice, buy something decent and enjoy it for a long time.
In addition, I have a Honda riding mower, a 2417, which is no longer made in Japan, but in France, by Castel Garden. France is simply not known for quality.... .
The older riding mowers were made in Japan.
Also for the inner workings of the engine, and we're not going to complain about money here, 10w30 ZROD or Small Engine Oil, or possibly the XL Boosted is the absolute only thing I can recommend as a lubricant. No Walli or other means chosen for budgetary reasons.
Finally, mass production, as in the case above, is linked to cheap materials. And so… savings.
Grtz.
I have a 23 year old Honda engined push mower , its always been a dandy . So old it has the separate choke lever .
It’s a lot like the issue Ford is having with their 2.7 ecoboost V6 engines being sold in the Bronco. Apparently a batch of valves weren’t heat treated properly and they would break off the stems in the engine and completely grenade the block. So it depends how many camshafts were in that bad batch to determine how many mowers will be affected by it.
So where’s the cam replacement video??
Hmmm…I had the cam issue on my 2023 HRX217 and after 8 weeks in the shop, the best the shop had to say was it locked up because I put old fuel in it, 😂 (not true, btw). They could not fix it, so I took it back for store credit.
Mine worked fine for about 8 hours and then holy 💩 it was hard to start. I searched the Internet and found this. I bought this even though my old Honda worked fine I just wanted one of the last gas mowers to last me another 10 years problem free
Yes - for a $1,000 machine it should not have these kinda issues. Especially since Honda is known for easy starting. All my Honda starts first pull every time. Except for my new Honda hrx217hya
Like any manufacturer, Honda, for certain parts, is at the mercy of their subcontractors. You can bet they're all over the camshaft vendor, it's costing them a pretty penny as well as harming Honda's reputation.
Yeah I think these 200 engines just do not start first pull like previous Hondas. Mine hrx217hya always starts 2nd pull. My old hrr216 was 1st pull.
I just bought a brand new 217 and am now worried about this issue. Please guide me to the video that shows how to replace this cam!
I haven’t made a video but it’s under warranty, so let your dealer take care of it.
I purchased a HRN216 in Sept 2023
Literally mowed my lawn 2 maybe 3 times
I get an email regarding this recall
My unit is in the affected batch
Anyone know, if I choose to do nothing, will the mower have a catostrophic issue or just hard to pull occasionally?
You need to get it repaired. If you continue to use it if it gets hard to pull put the part as risk for breaking.
had of shaft issue o the Honda i bought . scraped a metal plate that did not damage the blades but tweeked the shaft 450 to repair. less than a year old i will never but a hands product again
Recall on for engines starting in May 2022. Sad.
Sir. You are saying it is a simple fix. What is that fix?
Well I did my research and no where I read that there is an issue with the new Mowers. Of course I purchased it in May of this year. I did about 3 hours total of mowing Since May (I have a riding lawn mower and I only use this for one smaller area) and ran into starting Issue. Took it in and they said yes, it is a Camshaft issue and we will fix it. Two weeks later, I got a call that it is fixed. It ran about 40 minutes and then died and does not start. So i want to take it back to the dealer trying to return it if that is possible or trade it in with Toro 30 inch. I paid over $1000 for this mower and so far it is just junk. Not sure if they will take it back. So I am not sure i can trust Honda mowers anymore. Any other brand that is any good?
For those with issues: do you run your mower out of fuel when you stop it?
I got an HYA model shipped to me literally the day before the stop sale, and Knock wood thus far after 4 hours (run 25-30 minutes each time so about 8 weeks of use), I haven’t had any issues
My MO is to shut off the fuel valve to run it out of gas after each use. I also collapse the handlebars (along with the pull rope) each time for storage. Wondering if that’s maybe a workaround (maybe cause of the way it idles out after losing gas) or just luck / happenstance.
What you’re doing has nothing to do with the issue. Unless you’re putting in Storage there is no reason to run it out of fuel each time you use it.
@@GwinnettLawns thanks. Guess I’ll assume mine will get the issue then unless I’m lucky and won the mower lottery lol.
Agree probably not needed to use fuel cut off/run out of gas each time, but ever since ethanol fuel was introduced I have used that method for all my OPE to help prevent any potential fuel issues. So it’s just part of my routine to shut the valve and let it idle out while I’m finishing up/cleaning up.
(I should specify usage: weekly home owner use for only 8 months of year, stored 3-4 months, Mid Atlantic area so humidity year round)
Do you have a video on how a DIYer can fix the camshaft on their own? Where to get the part and how to install? thanks
I use a used Honda mower myself they run and run forever. Can't believe I ever tried a battery powered mower.
Thanks for your review
Can't buy them anymore. Available at stores
Only used be the only way
I’ve done 17 cams in the last 2 months
Hi , great video as always. I would love to see you in the near future fix one honda motor with this decompression issue . Also would like to ask you as I am from Germany here in Europe they are available to buy I mean all models of Honda lawn mowers and for the time being they Honda or the dealers haven't stopped any sales , so could this be a USA only market issue? Or world wide problem ? Would love to hear your opinion on this . Thanks in advance for any reply, keep safe . Cheers
P.S I've ordered a HRX 537 Is the number in Europe I think that's the 217 in The USA , you gave me so much positives even though if I ever have a problem with the same issue its easy to fix even when the warranty expires.
I'm with the other commentators, where's the video on how to fix in 10 minutes? lol
Fixing it with the same parts that broke in the first place is not doing anything but buying time
Who ever said too do that? Your not replacing the defective part with another defective part.
The cam manufacturer has remedied the defect. The new replacement cams are fine, we've experienced no issues with them.
With the potential of injury to the customer, yes, it is that serious. The fix works, but may be too late.
I always enjoy your vids.
I appreciate that!
i love my honda mower.
So how far back does this issue go do you think? I just bought a used HRX217 with a build date of 2021 and I’m wondering if it might develop this problem. Previous owner took very good care of it and it seems to pull over just fine, but I’ve experienced comp release failures before (Briggs Intek engines) and boy does it hurt when you’re not expecting it!
I am not sure of the affected serial number spread but will try to find out.
These are late production units, most likely 2022 model year units. The issue almost always occurs within the first few starts so yours is most likely fine.
Would you buy one used from a consumer?
Yep sure would if the price was right.
Where can a guy buy a camshaft for a 200 engin? My new mower been is shop for three momth. I ran it one time
We, like most dealers are hoarding cams we have in stock. We are using them to repair customer units. Due to the scope of the problem, cams for both engines are probably backordered. I would imagine the cam manufacturer is working overtime to deliver inventory but it will take awhile as dealers will be repairing units already sold and new inventory before selling cams over the counter. Also, this is a warranty issue so it won't cost you anything to have it repaired at a certified Honda dealer.
We, like most dealers are hoarding cams we have in stock. We are using them to repair customer units. Due to the scope of the problem, cams for both engines are probably backordered. I would imagine the cam manufacturer is working overtime to deliver inventory but it will take awhile as dealers will be repairing units already sold and new inventory before selling cams over the counter. Also, this is a warranty issue so it won't cost you anything to have it repaired at a certified Honda dealer.
have a 30yo mtd mower. getting hard to find parts so decided to go with top of the line honda. hrx217. used it once, rocker broke. took it back, got another one, used it once.... rocker broke. returned it. went back to my mtd. will never buy another honda anything as it seems the whole company is going downhill... even the cars
Rocker broke? I've never seen that on this engine series. Especially on two units by the same customer...are you sure you're not having the cam issue?
@@billcoomber4642sounds like he’s confusing the cam issue for a rocker issue. He most likely bought it before Honda released the explanation for the issue from a store that didn’t want to look at it, and just gave him another one with a bad cam