I did Handyman work but did the domestic installer / verification qualifications first so I'd know what I was doing. It was often useful for undoing the messes left by kitchen fitters and plumbers.
Del your calm demeanor is something younger sparks can learn from you can Rant and rave but your not going to solve the problem for the client your just gonna get worked up. All you can advise the client is the importance of hiring a competent electrician.
@@markyd2633 I'm from the states and even I know of wago connecters and a properly sealed maintenance free j box for use with wagos lol Can't use em in the states unless they are easily accesable unlike you can just shove them behind anything lol
I think there are two separate issues. The tripping MCB is either overload or the old MCB is bad. The noise from the Zs reading smells like Neutral and Earth are swapped within the connection behind the tiles. Without RCD no one will notice until you Megger it. Changing the CU most likely will open another can of worms and leads to a full rewire.
Hi Delroy, from old spark from the 60's. I do love your fault finding videos, you've got the patience of a saint. From what I can see from your video, I think you are correct in saying the fault is probably is burred under the paster, I suspect a dodgy choc block connectors sparking with the high load from the washing machine and the kettle creating transient surge spikes overloading that old converted fused board breaker, you will find a scorched connector block partially melted me thinks. Peter.
I watched your video on the schneider board change and noticed some good old school Reggae/ska music in it. Any chance of putting some good old tunes on a few of your videos? I know it's an electrical channel but the music culture you come from is very rich and it all adds to the overall entertaining flavour of the channel along with your life stories. Just a few of my thoughts and thanks mate, keep up the good work.
I predict that the cause of the strangely changing resistance -- the reading that changes over a period of seconds while you're testing it -- is a corroded, wet, or chemically contaminated connection. Now I want to know what it turns out to be!
Yup, it's a wet connection into plaster, I use the same principle to make moisture meters for my automatic watering system, a couple of copper wires in Plaster of Paris in a plastic pipe. I noticed a capacitance when the plaster was wet, so I put some extra code in the microcontroller to compensate for the capacitance. I'd like to see what happens at 240V, but I'm not Big Clive or ElectroBoom 😝
Overload, the hint being kettle and washing machine at once. Inrush current for the kettle is around 20A trip goes, because the handyman has connected all the appliances together on one circuit. If you've disconnected completely from the supply and protective earth, then it's most likely the neutral and earth are connected together in the hidden junction box. I'm sure the handyman isn't allowed to do this kind of work. I hate hidden sockets with a vengeance 😝
Moral of the story: always get a professional in. I may do a replacement of a socket or lightswitch, but anything beyond that I know my limits and call someone in! I'd rather spend a bit of money than put lives in danger
Behind the tile you'll probably find the original 2.5 ring cable joined to a 2.5 via a 5 amp terminal block and spurred off to the new duel and then another spur from that to the single classic handyman tactic. The problem you have now is when you repair and fix the problem your left with the dilemma of RCD protection. RCD sockets required maybe or better still a new board if the existing cables are ok. Keep up the videos buddy.
Old comment I know, but I thought the same as you - and I believe this could've been proved to be the case by doing a figure of 8 ring test on the sockets. Thee new double socket that was installed next to the tiled-in joint would've likely returned a higher resistance value than the rest of the sockets. Proving it was 'spurred' off from the ring cables.
Great video, as always! @ 15:30 the ~ on the left of the meter is showing supply noise is being detected, so it can't settle on a voltage/resistance to use in it's calculations
Having only 1 30mcb in the flat means that every socket is connected to it, i would also remove that transformer plug (lo level near the floor) as you will be getting a reading across that too.
So overall the handyman's electrics were not actually to bad other than the fact he's worked on a circuit that doesn't have suitable protection and put a join in an inaccessible area. I bet moisture has got in that connection by that socket screwing up your readings. Obviously I'm not condoning a handyman working on electrics, always use a professional
The location of the join wouldn’t be an issue if it had been done properly. A decent maintenance free joint would have been fine but he obviously didn’t do it properly.
House really needs a re-wire, not great of the handyman to just bodge some more sockets onto an installation in that state, never mind the fact legally it must have RCD protection. Doesn't it seem like the ring is broken, customer loaded it with washing machine and other appliances and something has ended up a melted mess behind the tiles. Don't modify circuits unless you're competent.
@@BoB4jjjjs yes, you are meant to have RCD protection on any cable buried less than 50mm without mechanical protection, any socket, anything in a special location, any light fitting etc with very good reason. But you're not going to get the police around arresting you for not having it, so saying you "legally" must have RCD protection is incorrect
@@codenamenel BS7671 is a non-statutory Regulation true, but The Building Regulation are statutory, and following BS7671 is how you would comply with the law (Building Regs) Unless you are following another countries electrical Regulations of course, then just hope a court recognise that (Reg or Standard) as a safe standard and at least as good and as safe as BS7671. But you'll probably find that all recent electrical standards world wide, now require some form of RCD protection for new circuits or socket outlets etc. So if something untoward were to happen, and there's no RCD protection, saying "BS7671" is not law or its contents are not a legal obligation won't cover your arse.
@@jonanders76 Yes mr "Handyman" SHOULD have added an RCD to the circuit before adding sockets but try phoning the Police to say he hasnt, I'd love to see it. By the looks of things he also hasnt provided a Minor works cert for his alterations, so if there was a legal problem he's just going to deny all knowledge isnt he, Wasnt me Guv. Which is why we all know part P is a farce that no Handyman takes a blind bit of notice to, but decent Electricians get stung with extra costs. Even Part P was only introduced in 2005. After then you could have various circuits with no rcd protection under 16th edition, they added more that should be protected in 2008 under 17th edition and now they've added lighting circuits etc under 18th edition. There are still circuits that dont require RCD protection, ie a fused spur, surface mounted in trunking not passing through or mounted in a special location for instance, So a blanket statement saying that legally people must have RCD protection is incorrect, its quite simple. Its not the Law, otherwise almost every EICR I do I'd be calling the Police 😂
The term “handy man” isn’t necessarily bad. It’s like everything, you have good and bad. I know a couple of older guys who are now handymen for small jobs. One is a fully qualified electrician with years experience and the other was a carpenter. Unfortunately though the term “handyman” has been ruined.
@@wizard3z868 True. He probably even put the tile over without letting the plaster behind it dry out for a day or two. I bet it's still wet behind that tile.
First though in my head was "is that even up to code anymore"? RCD and everything? Fire insurance comes to mind... Also personal safety. EDIT: Thanks for sharing. About the first time yt had something intersting in the suggestions (I watched a couple of Nagy's videos)
My kitchen fitters employed an electrician for the testing, inspection and certification - and had to call him at their cost when I found they'd broken the ring. Really she should be calling the handyman to sort out this issue (with the help of an electrician if needed), and to provide her with the certificate. Even non notifiable works need inspection, testing and certifying.
In Scotland the registration companies are pushing for electricians to be licensed yet I see this stuff all the time. I think insurance companies should run this . Plus an important point is I am insured as an electrician but if I say plumb in a dishwasher for someone and end up flooding their house my insurance company would refuse any claim just the same as I am insured to drive my car and not yours. So Handymen think about it you are not insured to do electrics so you are now personally liable for any claim. That means your house if you own it and any savings are on the line. Insurance companies are now asking the right questions of when was the kitchen installed who did the electrics and plumbing
Goddammit when you're renting and you have a problem with plumbing or electric and the landlord sends out a handyman who is way out of his depth. God the "fixes" I had to put up with in my old building.
That’s what I say Delroy the electrical company I work for get us to replace showers but I refuse to do it. Not that I can’t I’ve done my own but when it goes wrong it’s no good.
I came across this on a thermostat wire in a 60's property renovation a couple of years ago. I was astounded and just assumed it was a one off - I never knew it was a "thing"! What's wrong with people!?
I take it del mr handyman hasn't bothered to notify his work 😆😆 joints in walls utter incompetence. If the cables came from below why didn't he make a proper joint behind the washing machine. When you took that socket off above the washing machine I noticed a spur taken off a spur and also no fcu either. Looking forward to the next instalment 👍
Im a handyman and i always get a qualified electrician to check my work before i finish off the job and as of today any wiring i have done has been 100% correct after 27 years of being a handyman..... I never cut corners on peoples safety.....
I was very surprised that the socket was in the exhaust of the rangehood (Cooker Hood). The fat and moisture buildup will be something outstanding in a few years. Is this a standard and above board in the UK? I'm sure it's not in Australia. Ours and all of the ones I have seen are always external, Most of the times hidden in a side cupboard.
No that cooker hood does not have an outside extraction. There is no ductwork. They just use filters that need to be replaced. The black cowling on this type is just decorative.
It's perfectly standard to fit a socket and plug in the chimney cover. Most are connected that way. Most are connected to a 4 inch hose to outside, through the wall but sometimes they have charcoal filters and vent back into the kitchen.
@@09weenic i agree, i even prefer them to the modern mk's, the older mk were much better like you say nice big round terminals made from proper brass and the screw got a good bite of the conductors, they were a pleasure to fit, mk have gone way down hill as with many brands unfortunately :(
@@MrJoysiq All home owners must ask for invoices on completion of all trade work carried out. The philosophy of Insurance companies is to reduce or refuse claims. No documentation for trade work may be at their own risk.
is it not time the customer and the general householder must employ an electrical contractor like your goodself by law with years of experience to do the electrical work handymen and kitchen fitters should not be allowed to do any electrical work period unless they are qualified to do so if that lady customer received an electric shock an died the handyman would be held liable in law because he was the last person to be working on that installation and he is not registered to do so what are your thoughts on this keep up the good work Delroy you are a top man from a JIB graded Approved spark your Apprenticeship sounds like mine a good all rounder.
A proper maintenance free connection would be in a maintenance free box, that would have got saved from water during plastering etc, more to the point an Electrician would have tested the alterations on the circuit and picked up any issue with the maintenance free connection before signing job off
Anyone know what/s causing that ZS reading to take forever ? Never seen that myself either; you either get a reading or you don't . Unstable earth perhaps ??
Purely from a theoretical point of view (I do electronics, not house wiring), I'd look for a chemically contaminated connection -- damp, corroded, or something. It seems to change resistance as current flows through it. I've seen this with a telephone wire connection that had gotten wet.
Not a leccy but I have done my domestic installer certs, you could assume the wires run from below so you could probably find the wires and make a new safe connection beneath. the guy has run a channel to the new plug so you may be able to fish through to the new socket. But I guess you would never know the cause if the issue and it doesn't make good content! My guess is he's made connections and covered in plaster with no protection causing some kind of path. I wonder if the customer meant to say the washing machine trips when she turns on the kettle as well or if she had the kettle on and went to use the washer and it tripped. Small difference but it probably trips regardless.
Short of a rewire. The handymam could of either made the join into the ring above the kitchen cupboard or below the work top and put a blank plate over the back box. I guess he doesn't have fault finding experience so doesn't realise he's creating a potential problem.
The phrase we should be looking at is "Competent Person", it is mainly corporate interest and lobbying which has led to the criminalisation of competent householders who are capable of safe wiring practices. With just a CSE in Electrical and Electronic Engineering I rewired a complete house for my sister around 30 years ago, a qualified electrician had to be employed to inspect, test and connect the new system, including MCB to the supply, there was no remedial work required and it is all still functional and safe today. Unlike some of the "Professional" work I have seen from utter chumps who can't even fit a socket level!
So you was only competent to a certain extent. You had to call a qualified electrician to certify and test that the installation was good enough to be put into service, i get that, it was the right thing to do.
A guy told me his story once he goes I once said to my electrician add a junction box there and add a socket he said what’s your trade I said mechanic then he said you be a mechanic don’t tell me how to do my job which was a fair point lol 😂 electrician rewired the whole kitchen luckily the fuse board wasn’t far from the kitchen so wasn’t too hard...
Omg buried junction points are the bane of a sparks excestance pulling hair out from the otherside of pond(yet you can bury j points under floor boards because there accesable) smh
Hi Delroy, I've been enjoying your videos but it's a bit unfair to tar all handymen with the the 'incompetent' brush...there are some very good handymen out there, who have a lot of electrical knowledge and some electricians who seem to have very little (as you have pointed out many times) and still charge very highly for their very poor work. 'Handyman' isn't another term for simpleton!
Utter bollocks. I am an approved electrician and had to go to college for 4 years to get my qualifications so dont dare say a handyman knows more about electrics u fool. Handyman is a painter and odd jobs man. Not an electrician
Seems like your a handyman and trying to steak a claim. Electrical works should only be done by people competent to do so. So if the handymen is an electrician turned handymen no problem. But if he a handymen doing electrical works, what do you mean he have electrical knowledge, because a basic installer course is exactly what it is basic. Electricians spend 4 to 5 years learning their trade and the learning dont stop, so i am a bit curious to find out what electrical knowledge your on about when you say handymen with electrical knowledge.
@@djpatricksmiley383 i just watched a video of this guy cluelessly crashing round a control panel for a heating system he has absolutely no clue about. it was dangerous to be honest.
None of this work was notifiable under Part P as only existing circuits were extended. The handyman would only be in trouble legally if he ran a brand new circuit, changed the CU or did certain types of work in the bathroom.
Seems like a case that needs a new circuit board with appropriate new style protections -- and several new circuits. Those "ing" circuits that seem so prevalent in the UK are disasters waiting to happen. Take your power circuits (15 amp breakers/fuses) on direct spurs from the circuit board to selected sockets, ditto take lighting circuits (5 amp breakers/fuses) direct to selected lights in a section of the house. DO AWAY WITH THOSE ABOMINABLE "Ring Mains". In New Zealand we have 220v mains, with separate feeds within the dwelling for Sockets and Lighting. We do not allow Ring Mains. For Domestic installations, Cables supplying 15Amp sockets are triple conductors 2.5sq.mm. (minimum), cables supplying 5Amp lighting are triple conductors 1.0sq.mm. (minimum). Each circuit path protected by its own fuse/breaker. Cables to cooking ranges/ovens are dedicated supplies from the Circuit Board, triple conductors, 4sq.mm. minimum, fuse/breaker at 40Amps.
I’m a Sparky in Australia and seen the work in NZ. So please don’t throw stones in glass houses. The “Ring” is being phased out. Also you don’t have combined lighting and power circuits in the UK. So I’m puzzled to what your alluding too?
Rings were designed to save on cable and load balance cable in years gone by at the time many appliances used to pull high currents and generally you would only have one possibly two ring mains covering the whole house , .It allowed the circuit to be rated 30 amp apposed to 15 amp prior to this you had 5 amp and 15 amp circuits all unfused apart from the board . All our power needs are now from one type of socket with plugs able to carry a range of fuses up to 13 amp. On new builds now ring mains are being phased out , we also have RCD protection
After looking some video's of this channel. I'm still surprised how horrible the electrical wiring is in the uk. Everytime when you are troubleshooting all the sockets has to come off the wall . test all the wiring. Cost way to much time and money. Old school construction.
there was a copper shortage after world war II in the UK, so everything was ring main wired. it's not necessarily bad; considering we have one of the safest plugs/socket outlet designs in the world
Jeez Delroy what a rotten thing to do to those people and for my money to leave that wall behind the washing machine in that state is disgraceful and all for the sake of a bit of prepping and paint eh? The electrical problem I think the handyman should be charged for putting it right cos I think you are going to have to remove the tiling and do whatever you have to. Plus why was the circuit breaker board so small?? It must be so frustrating for those people who probably have sunk a fair bit of money into that new kitchen eh??
This is the problem using handymen people assume they are tradesmen and they are not , kitchen fitting is the worst bodge it bill who's read the how too leaflets in B&Q comes in slings all the carcass in without a consideration for plumb and level choc blocks off existing electrics doesnt do worktops as its a seperate trade (it isnt but they don't know how to join them) customer thinks they have a bargin price then the fun follows.
im a handyman but also dose a better job with electrical then that do it to code or or dont do it at all electrical is not a professional thing its just u need knowledge
"They mean well".... classic. You are so mellow in the face of adversity!
I love your channel! I ran a service van for 22 years, and now teach apprenticeship at a local college. Watching this puts me "back in the van again"!
I did Handyman work but did the domestic installer / verification qualifications first so I'd know what I was doing. It was often useful for undoing the messes left by kitchen fitters and plumbers.
Del your calm demeanor is something younger sparks can learn from you can Rant and rave but your not going to solve the problem for the client your just gonna get worked up. All you can advise the client is the importance of hiring a competent electrician.
14:15 That "Handyman" did such a job on the electrics that even the Megger was confused 🤣
@ Alpa Chino,
Ha Ha Ha
Nice one Delroy, that tile needs to come off. Would be interested to see what lurks behind it - hope she gets you back in and you can show us.
@@BoB4jjjjs He definitely used a suitably rated maintenance free connector, he wouldn’t have just twisted the ends and wrapped the joint in tape…
@@Bin216 So what is a suitable maintenance free connector.......
@@Bin216 at least we use twist-tees in the states (most of the time anyways )lol
@@markyd2633 I'm from the states and even I know of wago connecters and a properly sealed maintenance free j box for use with wagos lol
Can't use em in the states unless they are easily accesable unlike you can just shove them behind anything lol
@@wizard3z868 Was I asking You?
I think there are two separate issues. The tripping MCB is either overload or the old MCB is bad. The noise from the Zs reading smells like Neutral and Earth are swapped within the connection behind the tiles. Without RCD no one will notice until you Megger it. Changing the CU most likely will open another can of worms and leads to a full rewire.
defo get her to have a RCD for this that whole house is at risk as well as the other problems on top of that
Hi Delroy, from old spark from the 60's. I do love your fault finding videos, you've got the patience of a saint. From what I can see from your video, I think you are correct in saying the fault is probably is burred under the paster, I suspect a dodgy choc block connectors sparking with the high load from the washing machine and the kettle creating transient surge spikes overloading that old converted fused board breaker, you will find a scorched connector block partially melted me thinks.
Peter.
This would be my diagnosis too
Looking at the shut lines on the cabinet doors if that kitchen is new I would worry about complete install
I watched your video on the schneider board change and noticed some good old school Reggae/ska music in it.
Any chance of putting some good old tunes on a few of your videos?
I know it's an electrical channel but the music culture you come from is very rich and it all adds to the overall entertaining flavour of the channel along with your life stories.
Just a few of my thoughts and thanks mate, keep up the good work.
I predict that the cause of the strangely changing resistance -- the reading that changes over a period of seconds while you're testing it -- is a corroded, wet, or chemically contaminated connection. Now I want to know what it turns out to be!
Thought the same. Also looking forward to the resolution to this mystery ... Should we get any ;)
Yup, it's a wet connection into plaster, I use the same principle to make moisture meters for my automatic watering system, a couple of copper wires in Plaster of Paris in a plastic pipe. I noticed a capacitance when the plaster was wet, so I put some extra code in the microcontroller to compensate for the capacitance. I'd like to see what happens at 240V, but I'm not Big Clive or ElectroBoom 😝
Overload, the hint being kettle and washing machine at once. Inrush current for the kettle is around 20A trip goes, because the handyman has connected all the appliances together on one circuit. If you've disconnected completely from the supply and protective earth, then it's most likely the neutral and earth are connected together in the hidden junction box. I'm sure the handyman isn't allowed to do this kind of work. I hate hidden sockets with a vengeance 😝
His N and E are connected at the tranny, the main switch is still on and neutrals are still in the neutral bar.
In Norway it is forbidden to hide a connection behind a wall for example, or plaster/tile over it. Illegal
It has to be accessible which it clearly isn't. Building control never check these things. They just check if the boxes are ticked and pass the work
Moral of the story: always get a professional in. I may do a replacement of a socket or lightswitch, but anything beyond that I know my limits and call someone in! I'd rather spend a bit of money than put lives in danger
Behind the tile you'll probably find the original 2.5 ring cable joined to a 2.5 via a 5 amp terminal block and spurred off to the new duel and then another spur from that to the single classic handyman tactic. The problem you have now is when you repair and fix the problem your left with the dilemma of RCD protection. RCD sockets required maybe or better still a new board if the existing cables are ok. Keep up the videos buddy.
Old comment I know, but I thought the same as you - and I believe this could've been proved to be the case by doing a figure of 8 ring test on the sockets. Thee new double socket that was installed next to the tiled-in joint would've likely returned a higher resistance value than the rest of the sockets. Proving it was 'spurred' off from the ring cables.
Great video, as always! @ 15:30 the ~ on the left of the meter is showing supply noise is being detected, so it can't settle on a voltage/resistance to use in it's calculations
Having only 1 30mcb in the flat means that every socket is connected to it, i would also remove that transformer plug (lo level near the floor) as you will be getting a reading across that too.
Came here to say this, that DC transformer could easily be holding current.
So overall the handyman's electrics were not actually to bad other than the fact he's worked on a circuit that doesn't have suitable protection and put a join in an inaccessible area. I bet moisture has got in that connection by that socket screwing up your readings. Obviously I'm not condoning a handyman working on electrics, always use a professional
@@BoB4jjjjs he also didn't test the circuit before energising, or at least before plastering and tiling.
@@BoB4jjjjs bang testing is the future 😂
They don't seen to realise it will go fire in heartbeat
The location of the join wouldn’t be an issue if it had been done properly. A decent maintenance free joint would have been fine but he obviously didn’t do it properly.
Good old Delroy, yet again keeps the client calm with his 'doctor' approach.. love him ❤❤
I absolutely love watching these. Its like watching a sport that you play
House really needs a re-wire, not great of the handyman to just bodge some more sockets onto an installation in that state, never mind the fact legally it must have RCD protection. Doesn't it seem like the ring is broken, customer loaded it with washing machine and other appliances and something has ended up a melted mess behind the tiles. Don't modify circuits unless you're competent.
doesnt "legally" need RCD protection, BS7671 is not Law
@@BoB4jjjjs yes, you are meant to have RCD protection on any cable buried less than 50mm without mechanical protection, any socket, anything in a special location, any light fitting etc with very good reason. But you're not going to get the police around arresting you for not having it, so saying you "legally" must have RCD protection is incorrect
@@codenamenel BS7671 is a non-statutory Regulation true, but The Building Regulation are statutory, and following BS7671 is how you would comply with the law (Building Regs) Unless you are following another countries electrical Regulations of course, then just hope a court recognise that (Reg or Standard) as a safe standard and at least as good and as safe as BS7671. But you'll probably find that all recent electrical standards world wide, now require some form of RCD protection for new circuits or socket outlets etc. So if something untoward were to happen, and there's no RCD protection, saying "BS7671" is not law or its contents are not a legal obligation won't cover your arse.
@@jonanders76 Yes mr "Handyman" SHOULD have added an RCD to the circuit before adding sockets but try phoning the Police to say he hasnt, I'd love to see it.
By the looks of things he also hasnt provided a Minor works cert for his alterations, so if there was a legal problem he's just going to deny all knowledge isnt he, Wasnt me Guv.
Which is why we all know part P is a farce that no Handyman takes a blind bit of notice to, but decent Electricians get stung with extra costs.
Even Part P was only introduced in 2005. After then you could have various circuits with no rcd protection under 16th edition, they added more that should be protected in 2008 under 17th edition and now they've added lighting circuits etc under 18th edition. There are still circuits that dont require RCD protection, ie a fused spur, surface mounted in trunking not passing through or mounted in a special location for instance, So a blanket statement saying that legally people must have RCD protection is incorrect, its quite simple. Its not the Law, otherwise almost every EICR I do I'd be calling the Police 😂
Youre missing the fact that not everyone can afford a new fuse board
You are so calm and collected dude. Kudos. They don't teach that in college. Dodgy joint caked in adhesive most likely.
This sparks is a great watch.. good honest professional..
No wonder you're getting bad IR when testing N-E, neutrals still connected in CU Del
Easy thinking aint it, N and E are connected at substation or cutout most time
@@JayLovesProgramming exactly, at least kill the main switch before testing.
The term “handy man” isn’t necessarily bad. It’s like everything, you have good and bad.
I know a couple of older guys who are now handymen for small jobs. One is a fully qualified electrician with years experience and the other was a carpenter.
Unfortunately though the term “handyman” has been ruined.
Handy man is someone with no qualifications but thinks they can do work they shouldn't touch
@@adamsharp201 not at all
You’ve got it wrong Delroy. These handymen can do ALL trades 😂
Sounds like the classic "extend the cable using strip connectors, then fill the box with plaster (or nice, wet tile adhesive)"!
Wet tile cement is even better than gel lol
@@wizard3z868 Bet the wall is still "kinda wet" and there is bare wire touching some of it behind that tile.
@@peterpain6625 wldnt surprise me brickwall and tile not exactly a good drying environment for plaster lol
@@wizard3z868 True. He probably even put the tile over without letting the plaster behind it dry out for a day or two. I bet it's still wet behind that tile.
Basically, literally it's a bodge 😂
First though in my head was "is that even up to code anymore"? RCD and everything? Fire insurance comes to mind... Also personal safety. EDIT: Thanks for sharing. About the first time yt had something intersting in the suggestions (I watched a couple of Nagy's videos)
Yup I learnt as a apprentice do not be a jack of all trades. , but a master of one …
the saying continues. look it up.
My kitchen fitters employed an electrician for the testing, inspection and certification - and had to call him at their cost when I found they'd broken the ring. Really she should be calling the handyman to sort out this issue (with the help of an electrician if needed), and to provide her with the certificate. Even non notifiable works need inspection, testing and certifying.
Fair play del 👍 love your videos real life situations 👍
Hey Del, I’m in the US and deal with the same sort of issues. Can you do a video about the megger? We don’t have those here.
In Scotland the registration companies are pushing for electricians to be licensed yet I see this stuff all the time. I think insurance companies should run this . Plus an important point is I am insured as an electrician but if I say plumb in a dishwasher for someone and end up flooding their house my insurance company would refuse any claim just the same as I am insured to drive my car and not yours.
So Handymen think about it you are not insured to do electrics so you are now personally liable for any claim. That means your house if you own it and any savings are on the line.
Insurance companies are now asking the right questions of when was the kitchen installed who did the electrics and plumbing
Goddammit when you're renting and you have a problem with plumbing or electric and the landlord sends out a handyman who is way out of his depth. God the "fixes" I had to put up with in my old building.
That’s what I say Delroy the electrical company I work for get us to replace showers but I refuse to do it. Not that I can’t I’ve done my own but when it goes wrong it’s no good.
I just say no I cant do that I am not insured to work on water. I'm an ELECTRICIAN.
All I would ask is where is the Minor Electrical Installation works Certificate
And then laugh when me shows it you 😃
What's the odds on it being a terminal block embedded in the plaster.
I came across this on a thermostat wire in a 60's property renovation a couple of years ago. I was astounded and just assumed it was a one off - I never knew it was a "thing"! What's wrong with people!?
I take it del mr handyman hasn't bothered to notify his work 😆😆 joints in walls utter incompetence. If the cables came from below why didn't he make a proper joint behind the washing machine. When you took that socket off above the washing machine I noticed a spur taken off a spur and also no fcu either. Looking forward to the next instalment 👍
Check next door see if they are tapping into her electrics ie got a grow going on cos this happened to me over 2 years ago
Im a handyman and i always get a qualified electrician to check my work before i finish off the job and as of today any wiring i have done has been 100% correct after 27 years of being a handyman..... I never cut corners on peoples safety.....
I was very surprised that the socket was in the exhaust of the rangehood (Cooker Hood). The fat and moisture buildup will be something outstanding in a few years. Is this a standard and above board in the UK? I'm sure it's not in Australia. Ours and all of the ones I have seen are always external, Most of the times hidden in a side cupboard.
I've never seen something like this in all the time I've lived in the UK. Certainly doesn't seem standard.
No that cooker hood does not have an outside extraction. There is no ductwork. They just use filters that need to be replaced. The black cowling on this type is just decorative.
It's perfectly standard to fit a socket and plug in the chimney cover. Most are connected that way. Most are connected to a 4 inch hose to outside, through the wall but sometimes they have charcoal filters and vent back into the kitchen.
Those older mk sockets at 11:36 to 11:47 were the best!
They were the absolute dogs mate - suitably sized cable terminals instead of the rubbish they manufacture these days
@@09weenic i agree, i even prefer them to the modern mk's, the older mk were much better like you say nice big round terminals made from proper brass and the screw got a good bite of the conductors, they were a pleasure to fit, mk have gone way down hill as with many brands unfortunately :(
In other countries, doing unlicensed work is a criminal offence.
in Australia ive seen a bathroom wired in figure 8 24 strand/0.20mm no earth
@@MrJoysiq All home owners must ask for invoices on completion of all trade work carried out. The philosophy of Insurance companies is to reduce or refuse claims. No documentation for trade work may be at their own risk.
Isn't the continuity on E and N from the MEN link in switchboard?
Ouchhh looks like a right mess!
I love it Delroy outing cowboy tradesmen one video at a time you should get a slot on rip off Britain 😊
Can't afford a rewire but can afford to burn the kitchen down 😬
his washing machine socket looks like a spur off a spur too ?
For me its schocking to see those old things .That should have been replaced a long time ago.With a proper new switching box.
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is it not time the customer and the general householder must employ an electrical contractor like your goodself by law with years of experience to do the electrical work handymen and kitchen fitters should not be allowed to do any electrical work period unless they are qualified to do so if that lady customer received an electric shock an died the handyman would be held liable in law because he was the last person to be working on that installation and he is not registered to do so what are your thoughts on this keep up the good work Delroy you are a top man from a JIB graded Approved spark your Apprenticeship sounds like mine a good all rounder.
Connect it up hope it works and when it doesnt run
So did you ever go back and figure it out?
tripping RCD can not be always wiring problem but appliance issue and btw 7:10 where is that tripping RCD anyway ?
This is the problem with maintenance free connections, it assumes the person installing it knows what they are doing.
A proper maintenance free connection would be in a maintenance free box, that would have got saved from water during plastering etc, more to the point an Electrician would have tested the alterations on the circuit and picked up any issue with the maintenance free connection before signing job off
The doors next to the washing machine are misaligned, grrrrr ocd in me gets the better.
08::58 - It looks like all the steam from that extractor hood is blowing past that socket!?
Anyone know what/s causing that ZS reading to take forever ? Never seen that myself either; you either get a reading or you don't . Unstable earth perhaps ??
Really bad connections or a cable clip hammered in to tight over the cable that's my guess.
Purely from a theoretical point of view (I do electronics, not house wiring), I'd look for a chemically contaminated connection -- damp, corroded, or something. It seems to change resistance as current flows through it. I've seen this with a telephone wire connection that had gotten wet.
Not a leccy but I have done my domestic installer certs, you could assume the wires run from below so you could probably find the wires and make a new safe connection beneath. the guy has run a channel to the new plug so you may be able to fish through to the new socket.
But I guess you would never know the cause if the issue and it doesn't make good content!
My guess is he's made connections and covered in plaster with no protection causing some kind of path. I wonder if the customer meant to say the washing machine trips when she turns on the kettle as well or if she had the kettle on and went to use the washer and it tripped. Small difference but it probably trips regardless.
How hard can it be right?
We Have a second part vídeo?
That fusebox is tragic, ripped mine out years back. You would have been impressed with the 1940's style units.
Thanks for the video!
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I'd love to see what the connection looks like if you're able to film it. Should be very interesting..
Short of a rewire. The handymam could of either made the join into the ring above the kitchen cupboard or below the work top and put a blank plate over the back box. I guess he doesn't have fault finding experience so doesn't realise he's creating a potential problem.
dave the decorator has the megger 1711.....of course he does
In Canada only a certified electrician can do electrical work apart from the homeowner on their own system.
That's just comes with the trade to save a dollar people oversee the professionals
Honestly, you shouldn't do plumbing nor electrical work in your own home because you will get in trouble with insurance if something happens.
That sink could use some silicone they better hope it does have clear on it, give it few years before it starts expanding the wood.
loving this
I like 👍 your professionally
The phrase we should be looking at is "Competent Person", it is mainly corporate interest and lobbying which has led to the criminalisation of competent householders who are capable of safe wiring practices. With just a CSE in Electrical and Electronic Engineering I rewired a complete house for my sister around 30 years ago, a qualified electrician had to be employed to inspect, test and connect the new system, including MCB to the supply, there was no remedial work required and it is all still functional and safe today.
Unlike some of the "Professional" work I have seen from utter chumps who can't even fit a socket level!
So you was only competent to a certain extent. You had to call a qualified electrician to certify and test that the installation was good enough to be put into service, i get that, it was the right thing to do.
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Lay your bets!
A guy told me his story once he goes I once said to my electrician add a junction box there and add a socket he said what’s your trade I said mechanic then he said you be a mechanic don’t tell me how to do my job which was a fair point lol 😂 electrician rewired the whole kitchen luckily the fuse board wasn’t far from the kitchen so wasn’t too hard...
handy man omg & no R,C,D dear me del stay safe 👍
We have similar issues in the telecommunications industry when electricians get involved with data cables and networks. We have 8 wires you have 3.
Wow that’s a old board!
love the vids, is there a second part?
loose connections, probably havent been flagged for years
Omg buried junction points are the bane of a sparks excestance pulling hair out from the otherside of pond(yet you can bury j points under floor boards because there accesable) smh
Surely the client must apportion some of the blame here in appointing a handyman to carry out electrical work
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Hi Delroy, I've been enjoying your videos but it's a bit unfair to tar all handymen with the the 'incompetent' brush...there are some very good handymen out there, who have a lot of electrical knowledge and some electricians who seem to have very little (as you have pointed out many times) and still charge very highly for their very poor work. 'Handyman' isn't another term for simpleton!
Utter bollocks. I am an approved electrician and had to go to college for 4 years to get my qualifications so dont dare say a handyman knows more about electrics u fool. Handyman is a painter and odd jobs man. Not an electrician
Seems like your a handyman and trying to steak a claim.
Electrical works should only be done by people competent to do so. So if the handymen is an electrician turned handymen no problem. But if he a handymen doing electrical works, what do you mean he have electrical knowledge, because a basic installer course is exactly what it is basic. Electricians spend 4 to 5 years learning their trade and the learning dont stop, so i am a bit curious to find out what electrical knowledge your on about when you say handymen with electrical knowledge.
@@djpatricksmiley383 i just watched a video of this guy cluelessly crashing round a control panel for a heating system he has absolutely no clue about. it was dangerous to be honest.
curiouser and curiouser... lol
How can this handyman do this electrical work legally? They should be reported for doing this work.
None of this work was notifiable under Part P as only existing circuits were extended. The handyman would only be in trouble legally if he ran a brand new circuit, changed the CU or did certain types of work in the bathroom.
Its not actually ilegal anyone can play with the wiring you only have to be competent
Tell them handymen that “electrical work is not a hobby” … !
Poor form to have jointed cables there given this was a new kitchen and presumably they had full access to have done this properly.
Seems like a case that needs a new circuit board with appropriate new style protections -- and several new circuits. Those "ing" circuits that seem so prevalent in the UK are disasters waiting to happen. Take your power circuits (15 amp breakers/fuses) on direct spurs from the circuit board to selected sockets, ditto take lighting circuits (5 amp breakers/fuses) direct to selected lights in a section of the house. DO AWAY WITH THOSE ABOMINABLE "Ring Mains".
In New Zealand we have 220v mains, with separate feeds within the dwelling for Sockets and Lighting. We do not allow Ring Mains. For Domestic installations, Cables supplying 15Amp sockets are triple conductors 2.5sq.mm. (minimum), cables supplying 5Amp lighting are triple conductors 1.0sq.mm. (minimum). Each circuit path protected by its own fuse/breaker. Cables to cooking ranges/ovens are dedicated supplies from the Circuit Board, triple conductors, 4sq.mm. minimum, fuse/breaker at 40Amps.
I’m a Sparky in Australia and seen the work in NZ. So please don’t throw stones in glass houses. The “Ring” is being phased out. Also you don’t have combined lighting and power circuits in the UK. So I’m puzzled to what your alluding too?
Rings were designed to save on cable and load balance cable in years gone by at the time many appliances used to pull high currents and generally you would only have one possibly two ring mains covering the whole house , .It allowed the circuit to be rated 30 amp apposed to 15 amp prior to this you had 5 amp and 15 amp circuits all unfused apart from the board . All our power needs are now from one type of socket with plugs able to carry a range of fuses up to 13 amp. On new builds now ring mains are being phased out , we also have RCD protection
4mm on a 40A ???
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You think a electrician would be able to spell electrical, maybe I need to put my glasses on 😂
After looking some video's of this channel.
I'm still surprised how horrible the electrical wiring is in the uk.
Everytime when you are troubleshooting all the sockets has to come off the wall . test all the wiring. Cost way to much time and money. Old school construction.
there was a copper shortage after world war II in the UK, so everything was ring main wired. it's not necessarily bad; considering we have one of the safest plugs/socket outlet designs in the world
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Jeez Delroy what a rotten thing to do to those people and for my money to leave that wall behind the washing machine in that state is disgraceful and all for the sake of a bit of prepping and paint eh? The electrical problem I think the handyman should be charged for putting it right cos I think you are going to have to remove the tiling and do whatever you have to. Plus why was the circuit breaker board so small?? It must be so frustrating for those people who probably have sunk a fair bit of money into that new kitchen eh??
This is the problem using handymen people assume they are tradesmen and they are not , kitchen fitting is the worst bodge it bill who's read the how too leaflets in B&Q comes in slings all the carcass in without a consideration for plumb and level choc blocks off existing electrics doesnt do worktops as its a seperate trade (it isnt but they don't know how to join them) customer thinks they have a bargin price then the fun follows.
Delroy did you do an insulation test? I bet it’s low!
To many videos on here about electrics encourage diy jobs
im a handyman but also dose a better job with electrical then that do it to code or or dont do it at all electrical is not a professional thing its just u need knowledge
Surly just overload on circuit
Alright ok alright ok .that's all he says
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