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BTS actually swear in their songs sometimes, although not much, but suga swear quite a lot in his solo stuff because that's how he prefers to express what he wants to get across and since they're so successful I'm pretty sure their company doesn't mind.
Agust D...
practically not Suga or Yoongi... 😂
Suga is actually a direct descendant of the Yeoheung Min clan (MIN yoongi) which is a royal powerful clan from the Joseon era. So he IS a royal descendant (four of his ancestral grandmothers were queens/empresses).
The two people fighting at the back at the start of Daechwita MV is actually 2 members of BTS- Jin (the eldest) and Jungkook (the youngest) 😂
That's wiiiiiiiiiiiiild! King Suga!
Facts, and if Korea still had Emperors/Empresses ruling over them he would be next in line for the throne after his father. So he is indeed a King & a boss, even the other BTS members refer to him as King Min Yoongi (Jimin in particular has said this numerous times in clips over the years).
We call him a genius because he is so damn creative in his rapping, raw and honest in a way few artists really get, and he can create some fo the most unusual unique beats and complex songs. He’s so aggressive it’s ridiculous, I’d never want to piss him off and have him call me out because he absolutely will. RM mentions how long Suga holds a grudge over things done to BTS in the past. Also he takes complete control he is the producer, composer, does the keyboards, writes the lyrics, and writes the storyboards for his music videos. Having him, RM and JHope in a group isn’t fair they are 3 absolute top tier rappers that complement each other. They all are so over talented and hard working it’s no surprise where they are and they keep pushing the boundaries of creativity. These 3 show his skills off well and also his swag is unparalleled, king and boss. Who else in kpop will challenge the system by swearing smoking killing people violently and calling out the evils in society and using traditional Korean classical instruments. The MVs are loaded with symbolism and historical Easter eggs.
@@emmamcintyre6997 that isn't true at all... and he has an older brother, so even if it was true, he wouldn't be :D
his family was even poor...
@casiopaya4386 it is actually true i ask my korean friends. And baby they can be poor it doesn't mean they're not descendants
if you love rap, u choose perfect group. real hiphop. what i love about them, they dont make simple lyrics and wordplay. they always got me study their lyrics with many references 😭😭 and actually bts always write about many life issues since debut. you gonna love them. lyrics is their weapon
I absolutely agree with you. Bts is a K-pop’s rap powerhouse just cause of their rap line. And agust d is mad talented
The two members in the background if daechwita fighting are actually two members of BTS (Jin and Jungkook) 😂
LOL
I love the behind the scenes where Jin tries to negotiate with Suga for longer screen time cause he sat in the makeup chair for so long getting the fake facial hair put on. Jin started with (jokingly) wanting 40 seconds screen time. He is too funny!😂😂
6:36 btw that line is a reference to his verse in cypher pt.3 : "you know, my voice turns people on. doesn't matter - man or a woman, my tongue movements will send you to hong-kong" (google what that phrase means haha). he also called his rap skills "flowjob" in the same verse. iconic💅
Suga was given artistic freedom and has talked about he was never limited by PDbang (his boss). The level of how much he is involved makes it's genius and how intelligent it's done and he is a master story teller
Agust D is the persona that Suga created where he could voice what could not be said in BTS music. Although BTS addressed many issues that are more or less taboo in their society, Agust D is raw and real and not afraid to say what needs to be said. His tongue technology is what many people fall in love with. Agust D was written in response to all the hate he and RM got for leaving underground rap and becoming idols.
I'd more say that the music does not fit the concept work BTS has done since the beginning and that became only more elaborate over time.
This is why they have mixtapes and solo songs on soundcloud (later also on Spotify).
The music is very good but it does not fit the story BTS was "currently" telling:
school, youth under hardship (HYYH), "coming of age" in literature (Wings is based on Hermann Hesse's Damian to be seen under the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche and the psychologist Carl Jung work), Self-Love and to "Love Yourself" you have to "Know Yourself": psychology aka "Map of the Soul" (standard book about Carl Jung's theories) + the pandemic album
These stories went over multiple albums and had a natural flow into each other especially in the later years. There are more than just albums to a theme but a story that explains it. The songs ceased to stand purly on their own.
It's a group project which is why certain members could not just drop as many songs as they wanted on those albums - but still perform some of the songs at concerts.
You nice! Keep going! 💜
They were breaking the rules of taboo on the stuff they spoke about way before they were big. I remember when the first Agust D mixtape came out and I listened to The Last, I was absolutedly gutted and stunned because it's one of the most raw songs on an artists personal stuggles with mental health I'd ever heard and they hadn't even won their first daesang (grand prize) in Korean yet let alone made it into the Western music scene. One of the reasons they became so deeply loved by fans, accumunalting a big international following, while still not being recognized for a long time within the Korean music awards scene was BECAUSE of what they were willing to speak about and the size of their company. Joke (the first RM song you reacted to) and Agust D were songs that were a risk but they were underground rappers being true to themselves regardless of whether they were an Idol or not. They were throwing their SKILLS in the faces of haters rather than a long list of achievements because that's what they'd done before and they just didn't have that list yet. I think one of the reasons they were able to keep true to themselves and not forget where they came from when they were succeful is because they risked so much refusing to give that up when it could have cost them their shot at success.
Haegeum in this video has two meanings, the two-stringed instrument as well as the meaning of freedom of an oppression. All of Agust D music has real meaning and has a message in it.
Omg he is a rapper rapper!! I just saw him live in singapore and omfg hes incredible!!! Flew all the way from Melbourne. Went for day 2 and 3 and his showmanship is on another level. He went so hard! Vibe n energy are amazing! Consistent throughtout the show. Performed 23 freaking songs without fail!! These 3 songs he performed live and let me tell you, they soo much better live! He fast rapped live, growled and swore a lot hahahaha so hot! There should be a lot of concert fancam, i highly recommend watching it! 🔥🔥
Yes yes yes!! Sugapore!!! I was there on Day 1 :D
' I wanna see this guy like main character in drama'....This one got me. He has really amazing acting skills♡
I liked your reaction. You really pay attention and know when to pause to make sure you understood something and when to go ahead and let the song ride out and then discuss later.
I think you'll also be surprised with JHope's songs 'Arson' and 'More'. He typically has a 'happier' vibe in his solo music (even when dissing someone) but those two songs are from his album release last year and are much more intense.
I really can't decide my favorite rapper of BTS since they are all so different in their flow and approach, but that's one of the many things that makes BTS the best band in the world.
Appreciate it, glad you liked it!
@@TrolltekOfficial I also think u choose check out arson and more it has like a rock and roll vibe but I like it so I'm looking forward to it when u start jhope
Yes to Arson and More!
LOL the two people fighting behind suga in daechwita mv were jungkook and jin, 2 of the bts members😂😂. Anw, loved the reaction!! Keep it up.
I luckily got to see him live on his D Day tour. Your have no idea how cathartic it is to scream “A TO THE G TO THE U TO THE STD” with thousands of other people. Phenomenal concert with many amazing moments like that.
Suga is definitely no beating around the bush guy. I love his raw music , straightforward , direct , his bluntness , the lyrics hit hard speaki the raw truth( ex.his THE LAST so powerful and Suga's exposing his vulnerability yet so honest!) .
Back in the days when BTS was just underdog and so many haters particularly those some underground rappers like B-free( oh my those demeaning interview of them for my boys was blood boling) who looked down Suga and RM , that's how Agust D was born . They deserved this kind of disstrack for them. Suga making his own beat in every song he has is awesome!
Not only he is one of the best and fastest rapper in the industry but
He is such a genius in making music. The only main producer among the 7 members and produces music not only for BTS but also to other arrists, songwriter, composer, lyricist, dancer, actor--the guy definitely can act based on his performance on his m/v.
Whether what kind of songs he has , a topic of deppression , sad, relationship, dissing haters, spitting about tge real issue of tge society or whats going on in the world today ( ex. HAEGEUM) his liyrics is consistent and always deliver it with his feelings and emotions. THE LAST , FIRST LOVE of course DARCHWITA and AGUST D too , so raw and showing his pure emotion and and you can feel he is pouring his heart out these songs . And there's also his another masterpiece SHADOW.
I just love his music , the reason he is my super and ultimate bias in rapline and Jungkook for tge vocal line. That's my preference.
BUT EACH OF THE MEMBER HAS A LOT TO OFFER, EACH OF THEM HAVE THEIR OWN CHARM .THEY ARE ALL MULTI -TALENTED, MOST OF ALL THEY ARE ALL HUMBLE, GENEROUS AND VERY CHARITABLE GROUP , THEY NEVER CHANE AND REMAINED UNCHANGED EVEN THWY ARE NOW THE BIGGEST BAND IN TGE PLANET! I LOVE THEM - BTS X ARMY 💜FOREVER!
Because Suga and RM are originally underground rappers and Jhope is a hiphop dancer all before BTS. Suga as a kid hustled in the streets of Daegu, selling music & getting ripped off. He has a history to tell. RM and Suga got a lot of hate from other rappers telling them they sold out.
Even as an army, I'm not going to claim that Suga will for sure be your favorite Kpop rapper, especially because expectations of idol rappers have really risen in the past few years. Even some solo Kpop rappers are really impressive and have that more aggressive older style you seem to gravitate towards. But I could totally see Suga being in your top three because him and RM are an essential reason why the rap standard in Kpop is so much higher now and Suga is just. that. good.
He's an artist really.
BTW the two guys fighting in the background of Daechwita are two other members; Jungkook and Jin haha
Due to Haegeum he was offered acting parts. This is a real market place in Thailand btw. He also wrote the story board for this MV . Has just finished his solo tour of the US and has smashed Drakes previous record by being the first Rapper to sell over 1 million Physical copies of his album D-Day which is where Haegeum some from in it's day of release. I was one of those who pre ordered the album.
Holyshit, I've never saw anyone grasp Daechwita meaning SO fast. Not even army. And I thought you mostly vibed to it and not paying much attention to lyrics!!! I'm blown away. 😮
BTS are great. Suga is extraterrestrial. Like RM is the real leader on BTS but Suga gives the impression of being the real boss you know. The CEO
haegum also means lifting a ban or allowing something that was previously forbidden !
The thing I love most about Yoongi is his honesty, he really is a combo of Yoongi/SUGA/AgustD. He speaks his mind even if it's what people don't necessarily want to hear. So much respect for this young man. He continually grows as an artist and storyteller 💜😻😎 completely invested from start to finish. Yours is the best perspective of what's going on in his MV's that I've seen. You got it right from the jump which usually takes most of us a few watches to get. Well done 👍
This is just a recommendation but if you wanted something recent and personality related, Suga was interviewed by RM about his album 'D-day' on Suchwita. Its essentially Suga's show where he interviews guests over some drinks and food but since Suga can't really interview himself, he brought on RM to host the show for that episode. He (Suga) has interviewed other idols and BTS members too along with some other famous Korean celebrities on the show.
Link- th-cam.com/video/YXr6-vXzSrI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for your thoughts on K-pop, BTS and hip-hop…
I am 50 years old and have been listening to all types of music all my life, mostly rock and metal.
BTS made me listen to hip hop as well.
Yes, there are a lot of rappers in standard K-pop groups, but I've only seen such a connection to the history and ideas of hip-hop as a genre in BTS's art.
RM, Suga and J Hope all rap differently and that's the good thing...everyone affects me in a different way. They are amazing!
About the ending, he killed the man with the same red chopsticks, fighting the capitalism, and now he uses the same chopstick to sustain himself... In other words, yeah he opppses the system, but he acknowledges he is still inevitably a part of it. He is a massively successful rapper/idol, he made o lot of money and he profits from the system all the while being very much aware of its pitfalls.
Oh and Heagum has a double meaning. The instrument is one, the other is 'lifting a ban' 'allowing what was forbidden' or even 'liberation'
Daechwita is a genre of traditional korean music which was played to announce the arrival of the king. LoL. So he is saying play this shit loud, cause here I come. Brilliant
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this already but in Daechwita, the beat is the same all throughout the song. Only his flow and cadence changes that’s why it doesn’t sound monotonous. Just sharing because I have always been amazed by this ever since people mentioned it.
as you said 'sticking to roots' yes facts after they debut the best thing about being from a small unknown company was that they had freedom with how they make their music they experimented as much as they wanted to and poured out everythingin their minds into lyrics of their songs the company or them either of em didn't relly have that reputation that they could loose even if they talked about sensitive stuff which has never been common in industry as they went by it they got enough hate and criticism but a lot of ppl actually liked it they liked the rawness of their music they could relate to it....this is what made bts diffirent and one of the main reasons why so many ppl love bts and feel a diffirent kind of connection with them but the best part is that as they grew in popularity and expanded globally they only improved never did they ever forgot where they came from and what they were initially they don't feel embarassed by it specially suga and they still are the same with their music even if they have made their company one of the most profitable and well known companies in south korea......that's something rare coz most musician change their music style as per preferences....
The simplest way I've viewed the dual AugustDs in the videos is him killing off the older, problematic person to keep growing as a human. Be it anger, greed, he is constantly trying to self-improve. And Suga/AgustD is known to discuss capitalism issues the most out of the guys, but you'll find them more on b-sides, including a great collab with RM called "Strange".
The trilogy ends with Amygdala, but it is a complex story that is much larger than those 3 MVs, and you'd need to understand some of the other songs, especially "The Last" and even "Give it to Me" (where you'll see part 2 of 2016 Angry AgustD who is the pre-cursor to the Daechwita angry King) to truly start to understand the whole mix of Yoongi, SUGA and AgustD, and his growth from an angry and hurt 21-22 year old who first decided he wanted to create AgustD to get out some of his anger and frustration to becoming a pretty calm 30 year old who has used these albums to overcome some of his trauma.
Because at the center of this is a young guy working through what is going on in his head.
Very well said 💯! We indeed could just enjoy the music(the rap) without diving deep into the lyrics, the story of the song, and the MVs. But to understand the whole story behind the making of it and the messages he tries to get across telling his journey and growth as a Person as well as talking about societal issues is something too good to miss out on.
There are many BTS songs/ suga songs that speak on social phenomenons and things like thats since debut also the stuff your saying that you’ve never seen another K-pop idol do is because BTS has created a lot of standards in the K-pop music we see today
Did u notice how he was looking at the chopsticks at the end? The same red ones, from the same place, 1st used to take life & then to give (u need to eat to live yeah)
To. finishing the trilogy! Just one more video and you would have had the full Agust D storyline! 😂😂😂
Even if it wasnt connected to the story I would have wished you to see Amygdala. It's such a different vibe from the ones you picked, but still so so ao Agust D. Just Raw. Everything he does is Raw. I love him so much 😢
you got it right…they are real hip hop rappers that just happened to be an idol
25:29 Yes Haegeum" is a traditional 2 string instrument from Korea. But it also means something like "lift a ban" or" remove prohibition" That's why the lyrics are about freedom vs self indulgence and protest/riot or revolt.
Throught sugas music you can encounter three characters: Agust D, Suga and Yoongi, his different personas. Also, most of his music are social critics and about mental health, very raw and honest lyrics.
Also, when he gets out the police car, he’s holding the jacket of the corrupt Agust D he killed. 😊 He’s also un unscarred, healed version. It’s about rebirth.
The comparison thing... yes, most groups fanbases get a tad overly protective a lot of the time... for me, the underlying main point between the groups is that they are actually all friends or at least acquaintances... they help each other out and collaborate a fair bit ... you only have to look at some of the dance challenges around the net, in my opinion, none of the groups would be the slightest bit happy if the fandoms were going at each other .... there will always be 'favourites'.. but you will never hear any of your favourites putting another artist down... they all came up through similar hardships (BTS I agree copped it worse than most being with such a small company and having the rap line )... so they're nothing but supportive of each other.. and so should the fanbases be.... Just my opinion of course...Also, your take on the rapline being Hip Hop who just happen to be in a Kpop group...that is exactly what they were attempting to explain back in the beginning.. they wanted to bring the hiphop feel into whatever music they wrote.. and they did... now, the haters (most of them) get it... but it took a lot of grief for RM and Yoongi to get that point across when they first debuted... Thank heaven they just stuck at it and remained true to themselves... we now have 10 yrs worth of classics that spread across all genres...
Suga é um gênio, como ele usa as palavras e referência em suas letras é surreal, Apesar dos membros do bts fazerem suas música solos sempre acabam tendo referências do Bts tudo se conectar e você precisa montar um quebra-cabeça e isso eu acho fabuloso
15:20 Its bts members 😂 jin and jungkook
LOL
Spring Day is arguably their most well known song within Korea, and has been charting for 6 years. It's not obviously addressing anything controversial, and there are also great explain vids, but it confronts government corruption and a ferry tragedy that happened where over 300 (mostly school children) drowned in an accident that gov attempted to hush up. BTS has never outright said this is what it's about, the gov even went as far as to black list artists who spoke out the families involved.
you'll be soooo pleasantly surprised by jhope's music. jhope in a way often reminds me of doja cat with how they both are able to sing and rap and how their flow are so unique especially with their melodic rap too.
his latest album jack in the box mostly is heavy hiphop and its clear he had many hiphop influence since he grew up with street dance which also entwined with hiphop.
also we have an inside joke in the fandom that jhope never had a bad verse in any of bts or his own song.
The third song in this trilogy is Amygdala which is his personal story of his personal trauma's. He said he's all 3 Min Youngi (real name) Suga and Agust D (alter ego) that angry, greedy part of himself he's now finished the trilogy of Agust D but says you never know he might come back.
15:33 that’s Jin and Jungkook 😭😭
One thing I'll say, when it comes to BTS you can just do yourself a HUGE favor and throw out everything you think you know out the window when it comes to these unspoken rules regarding their music and actions. BTS are true artists, every single one of them. Sure, they are kpop idols, but they don't follow standards, they never have, they set the standards for themselves. They have a true passion for their art, songs like
Ddaeng
Am I Wrong
Spring Day (with the MV)
MIC DROP
All the BTS cyphers (1-4)
Idol
are all VERY charged with deep meanings (honestly I could just sit here and type out basically their entire discography, but these were the ones that popped into my mind rn) , Idol specially gives me chills whenever they perform live...in award shows....on the stage of the industry that rejected them for YEARS opening with the lyrics
"You can call me artist
You can call me idol
Or you can call me anything else
I don’t care
I’m proud of it
I’m free
No more irony
Because I’ve been me (myself) all the time".
Also, welcome to the neverending debate of "is BTS music = kpop?" debate.
yo dont mind those comments it is so true since you are familiar with stray kids the most among all these kpop groups it is normal to compare them in order to come up with things all of us sort of do that even when i am introducing ppl to new kpop groups i take reference from the groups they know well so they can understand.....dont worry about that
So true. It's how humans compartmentalize something that's unfamiliar to them at first. You can't just NOT do it. We all do it. It always drives me crazy when people say 'don't compare'.
Someone had to say this thank you ahhh
@@cjayj442 I hate it so much it just shows how ppl are so offended these days literally at everything
@@bekar4690 my pleasure
Suga is definitely the top rapper for everyone so i agree with you 🔥🔥
Thanks for the reaction!
Actually there are many things that can be said xD. Something that is very interesting regarding Daechwita is that actually, SUGA does come from the royal lineage of Korea, I mean, literally the Min surname corresponds to that special lineage, there are many Parks and so on because the nobles "sold" their surnames to the people of the village, but the Min surname is unique. That only makes more interesting the whole debate of that song and the symbolism of the video, which can have many meanings as he himself said.
On the side of Haegeum, it is important to know that even though in the English translation in the sub it is not so well understood, Haegeum has two meanings, it is an instrument by itself and at the same time "to liberate the forbidden" or "to lift bans". This is what the video and the lyrics talk about, emphasizing that freedom is one thing and debauchery (or self-indulgence) is another, and that it is very important to understand this.
Actually, all BTS since their first songs were distinguished for talking about taboo topics or topics ignored by society, youth issues and especially about what happens in Korea and Asia (like No More Dream, N.O., Baepsae/Silver spoon, etc), but SUGA especially was very open and always talked about his disagreement with many things, from the pressure to get grades and study to be considered "someone", to meet standards, social pressure, emotional problems, etc. A track where you can see how he talk about this, is an Agust D solo like "So far away" or "Strange" ft RM.
Yoongi always talks about situations or things he has experienced (and yes he has been through a lot in his life, really, really a lot). His music and lyrics are sincere, real, and always, even though they may seem a bit strong, they always make you feel stronger, more capable to face everything that comes your way and never give up.
32:44 basically, him using the same red chopsticks that he used in the start of the video to kill someone, to eat noodles portrays the fact that he, as many of us, still has to participate in the system that we critisize and hate (capitalism) and that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
Another comment, BTS does have some more poppy songs, even songs that might feel more 'kpop', but that's something I like about them, one moment they're rapping over hard beats about cancel culture and baseless hate, the next they are crooning about dimples in pure pop, and then V is singing RnB mixed with symbolic poetry. They have become bigger than any genre, which allows them to create sounds I've never heard before and shake things up constantly, but they are still such talented artists that the mix of genres doesn't hinder them. They'll never lose their love for hiphop but their influences have become broader over time.
Love your comments!
Hehe the two funny people that started fighting in the background were Jin and Jungkook making a cameo💜
24:45 you're not the only one! Actor Min! We beg you! There's an interview he did recently with IU on her YT channel Palette where he said after Daechwita he received scripts but doesn't think his looks are actor worthy and turned them down and only plans to focus on music. I mean yes! Continue with your music olease...but give us that drama too. The world deserves to see this man act!
Oh yes our Rapper swear in their Raps when it's required. They have complete creative freedom unlike most kpop artist.
if you want a song by him that gets really deep about mental health and breaks that kpop stereotype of not talking about sensitive topics, I can not recommend Amygdala enough. (It does have a tw/cw on it due to self harm/suicidal themes pre warning).
It’s also the third part of his mv trilogy of daechwita, haegum, and amygdala!
You watched Taylor's introduction, so you should know that RM and Suga both came from underground Hiphop before they joined Bighit company.
Suga is the BTS stage name for Min Yoongi, Agust D is the name he uses for his solo activities outside BTS. Swearing is for real, but this isn't BTS it's his personal stuff, self produced, self financed.
You are really going to be amazed at the finance he laid out on the second track, Daechwita, which he then gifted to his fans.
People can get upset about you comparing BTS artists to other Kpop artists because in many cases those other people are trying to be BTS.
Fight in the background is actually Jin and Jungkook, bandmates.
When BTS was started by their founder Bang Si Hyuk he wanted a group that would sing about all those issues, mental health, problems in society etc. He encouraged the group to write about those issues and their own experiences. The Big Hit motto at that time was Music and Artists for Healing. Likewise their name Bangtan Sonyeongtan means Bulletproof Boyscouts, he wanted to let them sing about the issues that hammer down the youth of Korea.
13:57 kpop Stans need to take a chill pill 💀 not every comparison is degrading, sometimes they’re the highest forms of a compliment
hahaha yeah exactly
thats why i don't like hiphop but i love suga song..his personality make him my bias wrecker
Yes absolutely 😊❤ love Suga. Love your analysis.
17:40 Actually, Yoongi is a descendant of the famous and influential royal Min clan (better known as Yeoheung Min), which was in power during the Joseon Dynasty
Yay!! Agust D reaction!!! Yoongi is my bias
12:53 i actually feel the same way about this especially if you're talking about the way they sound or the way they rap or something like that. it's not like you're saying one is better than the other objectively but more of a i prefer this more than this or he sings it like this while he sings it like this.
Yoongi is his real name, Suga is his “stage” name with BTS, and Agust D is the name he uses for his solo projects, his alter ego. It’s Suga spelled backwards with DT = Daegu Town, his hometown.
The version of the Haegeum on live is amazing
BTW a lot of ppl like to use the terms bias and bias wrecker, to avoid these exact type of petty fights abt who is better. So you'd say that Suga is prob your BTS bias and RM maybe your bias wrecker. Ofc none of it is like set in stone or anything like that and the more you learn abt members and their sounds the more likely your bias will gonna change over time. I'll forever keep switch bias wreckers, I've prob gonna through all of them at this point. RM remains my bias though, his lyrics are poems in its purest form, he can very well do fast and aggressive rap (his song "joke" was a response to those who claimed he couldn't, and the entire thing is brilliant and hilarious) but a lot of times he prefers to explores different styles, his latest album Indigo is an absolute masterpiece.
J-Hope is also SICK
You should def check out the conclusion to the Suga trilogy ("Daechwita" & "Haegeum" & ***"Amygdala"***)
And BTS it self has countless hiphop tracks that stray (no pun intended) from the norm of k-pop hiphop ig....it's a weird way of saying it but you get the point. I think you'd really like "hiphop lover"
BTS IS NOT K-POP
BTS IS BTS (their own category)💜
Their earlier songs actually are hiphop heavy and the topics too. These guys had nerves from the start.
They had a lot of social commentary songs such as:
AM I WRONG?
BAPSAE (has explaination video)
UGH (has explanation video)
GO GO (has explanation video)
FIRE (has explanation video)
SPINE BREAKER (has explanation video)
2ND GRADE
N.O
NO MORE DREAM
I really enjoyed your reaction! Actually, BTS has always talked about systemic issues, in fact, their debut song "No More Dream" talks about the societal expectations of adolescents and how adults force "dreams" upon them. Another of their first songs, N.O, criticizes the harsh Korean educational system and questions it.
Them being from such a small company talking about such taboo topics (specially in South Korea) since the very beginning, was quite a risky move. But they did it anyways
Some of the more "political" or "taboo" songs they've made, Am I Wrong and Spring Day, got a lot of backlash from the South Korean Government. I've heard that at the time these songs were released, they were put on a Government Blacklist along with other artists that criticized the government (not 100% sure on this or the source, but it wouldn't surprise me)
The reason why they were able to speak about such uncommon topics in the kpop industry is because they came from a small label. The CEO, Hitman Bang, always told the boys that whatever they did their music had to be real to them, their stories and experiences.
As you have said, now that they are the biggest group in the world, they don't receive that type of backlash anymore. But the fact that they were like this from the very beginning will always make me so proud to be their fan.
SUGA said : It's not lyrics directed at a specific person. If (as my song) you think you're being attacked, then that's just your problem. 😎😎
In Daewchita video, the guys who fight actually are Jin an Jungkook, members of BTS 😂
Bts has always had the freedom to talk about serious topics. That is what they started with, the pop-y cute stuff came later.
This young man is my ult in kpop, scratch that,in everything person-wise 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Also do not mind anyone angry at you for that, it's natural to do that. You're not comparing per se at least not for pitting one against the other but because Straykids is your reference.
Now with me it was the other way around, I've been Army for about 7 years didn't even look at any other groups for almost 4 years, so when I did I found that I always refer back to what I know (BTS). It's natural, don't feel bad about it 💜
Him an RM did a song where they talk about the system it's called strange you should really check it out
Will definitely check it out!
i think a lot of the hiphop vibe you feel has to do with the fact that they came from the underground scene and actually took the time and effort to completely understand and immerse themselves in the culture rather than treating it as just another genre at their disposal. bts has also been swearing in their songs from the very beginning (even more so back then than they do now) once you go through all the rappers i'd heavily recommend the cyphers 1-4 they did together (there's a lyric by suga in pt. 3 i think you might like 😏) as well as UGH and TEAR.
i completely understand your need to compare artists and people get sensitive about it because a lot of the times it's done very disrespectfully or it's comparing western artists to kpop artists who aren't even on the same level. however, the way you compare them is literally just your observations and it's obviously not done to be malicious so i've no idea why people get angry with you.
the two guys fighting in daechwita are actually jin and jungkook 😭
all of the things you've mentioned about their creativity and the way their music sounds is 100% correct. there's a reason why a lot of armys don't consider bts as kpop and feel like they completely rose above it all. they're artists first, everything else second. they've never been scared to talk about taboo topics in kpop (both as a group and solo), they say what they mean and they don't hold back. i've been listening to kpop since 2014 and have yet to see a mainstream kpop group actively talk about the topics they do at that consistency.
him killing himself is most easily described as him killing or accepting parts of himself (as you've said) he doesn't necessarily like or parts of himself and his past that are hard to accept. maybe you'd like to listen to his song SHADOW (interlude to MOTS:7 album) where he talks more about this distinction on a more psychological level (guided by the theories set by a psychologist Carl Jung)
anyways, have fun with this journey and ignore the haters. enjoy it!
15:35 that’s jin and jungkook fighting in the back when i rewatched this for the second time i was like “no way that’s jin” but it was😭
15:32 those people are actually two other members of bts - jin and jungkook(the oldest hyung and maknae) and in this case jungkook is beating up jin 😂😂😂
Loved your reaction! 👏👏
I appreciate your appreciation of these guys…of Agust D! They are always more than meets the eye! And you were right on in your take! Enjoyed watching!!! TY💜
Hahahaha the people fighting in the background at 15:29 are BTS members Jin and Jungkook! They came to visit the MV shoot to support Suga then decided to cameo.
So true what you said. However, other fandoms start foaming at the mouth when Army says that BTS is so much more than K-pop. RM and Suga were rappers and lyric-writers long before they became k-pop idols. And BTS started out as a hip-hop group. wait until you get to their early songs and albums.
BTS's debut music No More Dream is a criticism to society's treatment of young people..that itself says a lot about their identity and purpose as a kpop group..
Many people does not take well to criticisms from other, even from well meaning ones, let alone one's criticism of himself..but Suga/Agust D/Yoongi is not afraid of that..that's my take on him confronting/killing off a version of himself..
Suga use this name when he sing with group BTS.
Suga comes from shooting guard, the position he played in high school basketball.
Agust-D (alter ego) is use when he does his mixtape or solo song because it's too explicit he don't want to connect that with BTS.
Agust-D is Suga spelled backwards and the "TD" stand for his home town
"Town Daegu"
31:56 this scene is similar to the Joker in the Dark Knight. The red chopsticks he uses to kill but also uses to eat.
BTS from the start have talked about political, economic, societal issues, from album 1. Many of their lyrics have something abou this. Go go, Baepsae, N.O., UGH, Dope and so many more
Great reaction, which is rare.. You pay attention to everything as the details are so important in BTS and their solo performances and music.
BTS have always been considered "rule breakers" many of their songs used to always be at risk for being banned on music shows. Paents absolutely HATED their debut song No More Dream and N.O because it encourgaed young people to follow theit own paths. Even if that included not going to University or trying to be the best.
Seriously - I don't get why people get aggravated with comparisons. That's how LIFE is. Good catch on the fight in the background - that's Jin and JK in a cameo.
Kpop is an industry, not a genre. BTS started as a Hip Hop Idol group, and then evolved to other genres. But yes, BTS is on a league of their own, they are beyond Kpop. ✌💜
a fun fact since u liked his flow switchs, the whole beat in Daechwita doesn't change! he does it all with his flow :)
this is why bts has such a wide and loyal fanbase, they love music and they make authentic and genuine songs about the things that are important to them as people
politics, capitalism, depression, anxiety, self love, humanity, purpose, love, they just have been making their own sound with honest messages for years and that is what get people's attention
also, they are super kind and truly love each other, music and armys
Jin and JUNGKOOK are the ones who were fighting behind 😂😂😂💜
Also, those guys fighting in the background of "daechwita" at 15:10 are bts members (JIN - with the beard, JUNGKOOK - got hit with the stick). It's just funny how they make that skit and I didn't even notice it was them the first time I watched the MV 😂
Also, fun fact:
Suga confirmed his royal lineage during a V Live broadcast, adding that his family belongs to a high rank in the Yeoheung Min Clan. According to Business Times, Suga has at least four ancestral grandmothers who were empresses or queens that ruled over Korea
I would say this are lighter songs bc they have MVs but songs on his albums are so much more hitting into people, industry, media, world, capitalizm, etc. Plus a lot of songs are heavy on mental health topic, I would say he choose songs for promotion/album titles more friendly but still hitting haha and rest is for people that go and listen to rest of his music, bc they really want to know him.
Bc He is a person that you get to know really well bc of hisusic, he is always honest and open about every topic.
He is my favorite rapper in 🌍
With nuddle shop I would say cyrcle of live, one time You kill someone with chopstick and next you eat using them.
Yoongi always hold himself very high, to stay with his feets on ground and not to fly in fis head... Hmm
Lives for this songs are really something.
BTS ia actually talk about things like this since their debut. In their debut song No More Dream, they challenge their generation against the Korean traditions/cultures way of thinking. Their song N.O also in 2013, their talk against the Korean education system. And remember. they were still teens at that time except Jin was 20 years old at that time.
Different from how other Kpop industry run, BTS came from a very small industry that was struggle financially and almost bankrupt. Bang PD (the boss of BigHit) also had a different mindset and he gave freedom to BTS members in their art. They were all involve in their art since beginning until now.
About Haegeum, haegeum has 2 meanings.
1. as traditional music instrument which you get from google.
2. freeing what is forbidden (at 1:36 in MV).
The last scene where he is back to the noodle shop, you see he eats using the same chopsticks.
The same chopsticks, he/we can use it for destruction or nourishment, to destroy or to build,...
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at 15:30 those two men who were fighting. These are Jin and Jungkook another members of BTS😂😂😂
Suga is a big fan of Korean period dramas. Daechwita was done at a place/ set where lots of period dramas are filmed.
i feel like you'd really like BIBI, i find she's a little similar to Suga's solo work and talks a lot about systemic issues and her own experiences. i remember you said that you don't connect with women's music as much but i think her songs are right up your alley
Polar Night and Snooze from Suga album D-Day
You are right to say that they were first rappers who became idols, that brought a lot of hate from the Korean class rappers, since there was always a division, they believed that if a rapper became an idol, they automatically became only commercial products of a music industry, Suga and RM went through this situation, but they showed that underground rappers could be idols without changing their essence in the lyrics and music of their songs, but RM and Suga along with the entire band went further, and above all BTS rap line set a very high standard when it came to rapping, even those who are Kpop fans from the first and second generation and even many professional musicians in Korea said that it was easy to identify an idol rapper from a rapper. underground that becomes an idol, the vibe was simply different, it was not until after BTS had changed the standard of idol rappers, today there are very good rappers and they are not underground rappers, it should be noted that in the BTS era, the YG company had very good idols in rap and even some who were underground rappers,
but the other big companies like JYP and SM didn't, they stood out in dancing or singing but in rap they weren't as gifted and BTS also changed having a good rap line without being part of YG, that influence was seen even in Stray kids who they have a good rap line being from JYP, a company that was characterized by slower rap without changes in flow, rhythm, speed or cadence... even when they asked Got 7's Jackson to face Bts RM in a freestyle rap , Jackson did not want to at first since he said that he was not a rapper, that he only did the rap that the company gave him and that it was the same pattern as the other JYP groups, so then we could notice that at that time BTS did have a good rap line and that they were still on their way to the great change that would generate in the Kpop industry, groups like Stray kids or Treasure, the latter had a member who had auditioned with the Cypher pt.2 of the bts rap line, for a partly they were a great influence to follow, I say partly because there were also artists who also contributed to everything that Kpop is today.
subs in AugstD are correct - he can swear like that as it was a song from his mixtape which is not under the same constraints as a studio album.
Loved this reaction and I love Suga. I loved hearing your thoughts on what his MVs mean. I think you were very accurate with what you saw as the main messages. I look forward to more videos. 💜
Hey! Loved the SUGA reaction. He's my bias in BTS, and i love his raps. Some other rappers i think you should check out are: Bewhy, PENOMECO, Simon Dominic, and Bang Yongguk
SUGA is known for that exact smile. ARMYs refer to it as :] 2:10