Vasilisa Lukashevich it’s a joke, the comment I made above are lines spoken by Dyatlov in the HBO series...I’m grateful you uploaded this important piece of history
Dyatlov had basically died a broken man. From his son dying of leukaemia and then the Chernobyl Incident he had experienced so much. He was also a victim of the incident. Lest We Forget
The series was good under many aspects, but really exaggerated in their villanization of Dyatlov. He wasn’t entirely blameless, and perhaps was not the best boss to work with, but he wasn’t the arrogant asshole he’s been depicted as, either. The real Dyatlov tried to help others in the aftermath of the explosion. He personally went looking for Khodemchuk (quite the contrary of “fuck Khodemchuk”), and he twice ordered Toptunov to go home and later tried to send away Akimov as well, at a time when they both could have still saved themselves - they had spent most time in the control room and had not yet absorbed a fatal dose of radiation, in fact Dyatlov had received more radiation than them at that point. Which is why he became sick sooner and was carried away, while Akimov and Toptunov, still feeling well, decided that they should stay and help and went to the coolant valves, where they received their fatal dose. And the real Dyatlov never, ever tried to blame Akimov and Toptunov for what had happened. On the contrary, he even wrote Toptunov’s parents telling them that their son had fully done his duty and that the accusations that had been laid against him (Toptunov) were injust.
Thats really important, and the show made such a villain from him. Thats really sad, coz now 90% of people will know him exactly like that one from the show :'(
if he tried to help others he would have died a whole lot sooner. he is a known liar. based on these, it wouldn't be far-fetched that he is an ahole to the nth level.
It's not villanization. You can't begin to understand a higher rank's arrogance in the communist countries unless you have lived in one. That is the exact behaviour of, say, a communist teacher in class, when you contradicted them: they would throw a notebook at you, hit you in the head and call you an imbecil in front of everybody. If anything, the portrail is to civilized.
@@abelnicolaebaritone All the operators in that control room were operating the reactor under the assumption that a SCRAM would safe any unsafe reactor situation. They were operating under false pretenses.
Did you even read the comment section before your thoughtless post? It's literally 99% jokes no one's even trying to say anything serious let alone try and argue with the guy
He must have lived a difficult life. He comes from a poor fishing family and ran away from an abusive home at an early age. He is only 63 in this video, looks 87.
He's 63? If you reverse 63 you get 36. 3.6 reontgen was the number that the low range decimeter recorded at chernobyl after the explosion. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
@@levibailey6256 Alright. He was 63 a year before he died (1995) the disaster happened (1986) he was 58 when it happened. So think twice. It's a coincidence, and itr would also be a coincidence if he died and was 36
Indeed. Quite sad actually when people "becomes a scientist with a PhD" just after 5 hours. Cant blame em when the movie/series gave the basic or rather, the "in a nutshell of it"
@@covb2615 true, I'm a nuclear physicist. Since I was 16 y.o I was searching, looking for truth about Chernobyl. Because of my university I was able to meet nuclear physicists that was actually involved after Chernobyl to explain what happened. I was in Chernobyl by myself 6 times. Me and my co-workers actually prepared a map of cesium after Chernobyl in our area. Even though I'm still not sure where the truth is. The more I learn, the less I know - the more I have to learn. And I'm really shock how people after one TV-series are now experts, better nuclear physicists than professors with 60 years of work in nuclear industry - because on TV they show that they did this and this so it is true for sure. Like famous bridge of the dead - is just a myth in a real life.
@@modabska4789 you are literally how the hbo series depicts dyatlov, completely dismissive of what others say regardless of their correctness on the basis that youve been in the field longer
"Comrade Dyatlov, i've seen the video of your real interview" "No you didn't." "I did." "No you didn't. ... YOU DIDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE *ITS NOT THERE* !!!"
the radiation poisoning has aged him in such a harsh way, you can see he's dying and i can't help but feel sorry for him. he's paying a huge price for his mistakes.
Because that was a dramatization. I can't help but feel so bad for him. Nobody was aware of the design flaws, including him, and HBO made him such a villain. But when I look at at him I just see a sick, helpless old man filled with nothing but regret
Katherine The 2 aren’t inconsistent. He likely was a real son of a bitch when doing his job. After everything he went through after that plus aging, he likely mellowed a bit.
Most accounts of him say he was a real stern boss but actually cared about the job and spent much time figuring out the reactor as best as he could with the limited resources they provided the employees and he was very well liked outside of work, I loved the show but I am a little disappointed that they made him out to be such a horrible villain
Throwing binders at Kirshenbaum, calling Akimov an incompetent asshole, calling out Toptunov on his job performance and the same with Stolyarchuck! What a guy! Well in the book it said he had not slept for 48 hours before, so maybe that's why he was being such a hardass!
Welcome to the 2019 comments section where it is about making a funny while ignoring the more important context. This is an excellent interview with some chilling parts. Thanks for the upload.
But for must of us who don't understand Russian, the weird and fuzzy style used for the subtitles makes the important part, the actual words, are very hard to grasp. So naturally, commenters criticise that. Often in a mocking fashion. That they criticise it by making jokes doesn't make the criticism less valid. I want to watch it, but a strange decision made by whoever added the subtitles makes that very hard.
"In Soviet Union, there were no accidents due to faulty equipment. In Soviet Union, accidents could only occur because of working personnel." - Anatoly Dyatlov. 55:16
I grew up in the former GDR. It was the Soviet-occupied zone of Germany aka East-Germany. Dyatlov was right with his statement. The USSR and also all East block states (it includes the former GDR) were not allowed to make any mistakes. The technology should look and appear far more advanced than the technology of west states which includes especially USA. It was part of the propaganda: Russia had to be in space before USA, Russia had to build the first power plant before USA, Russia had to develop the first computer processor (CPU) before USA, Russia had to be better than USA in everything. It was the main part of the Cold War, that Russia had to be better than USA. That also means that the technology and the „socialist“ system had to appear flawless under all circumstances, that was Prio 1. And if something happened, it was the fault of single people at the maximum, but never of the „socialist“ system and its technology (which were -again- flawless). They made him (and others) a scapegoat to cover the flaws of a whole system. That’s what he tried to point out with that statement. In a dictatorship, like it existed back then, it is easier to replace people. I write „socialist“ system in quotation marks because it was rather a dictatorship than socialism. A real socialist state or real socialist system has not existed on our planet yet. Dictatorship should not be confused with socialism. As Gorbachev told once, the Chernobyl disaster was the real reason for the beginning of end of the USSR, not his Perestroika.
@@byte2702 I have a friend in Bremen now (she Grew up in the DDR & is the same age as me) She says the Trabant was considered a status symbol.?. I guess it's all relevant to what you know?
I can see the humanity in him, the remorse and the pain. He made ill choices but he suffered with the team and paid the price like a man, I do not believe any further criticism is owed to him.
This is heart wrenching and tragic, and I have to say, for a man who has been to prison, knew his days were coming to an end, and has no reputation left to defend, that I believe him. He has nothing to gain nor lose by this, it is a recounting of history as best as he can provide. I believe he was held to account for breaking policies that were modified after the fact, done so to save face for the Soviet Union. I believe the training of those assigned to the reactor was woefully insufficient given their age and station of some. I believe the reactor design itself had serious flaws. I do not believe Dyatlov was an arrogant bully as portrayed in HBO's show. If he was guilty of anything, it was in being overly confident in the inadequate policies and procedures he was following, policies and procedures that were NEVER written to account for the design flaws in the reactor which had been classified as state secrets, where as HBO portrayed him as making up as he went along. I believe this is the face of a man who carries deep regret for his part in this regardless of how inadvertent it was. I dare say it haunted him. And I believe there are far too many comments on this video having a laugh at this utter tragedy and believing the character put forth by HBO over the real Dyatlov, out of a mix of ideological convenience and laziness, for many seemingly cannot be bothered to read every word spoken here, as is clearly evident by many comments. To all those who still suffering and all those who died, I hope you find peace in this life or the next.
@@BkGamer00000 Buddy, If I get into a car crash because I got into a car and decided to drive faster than the speed limit in places with the main accident being caused by applying the brakes to find not only that there are none, but that the brake is also an accelerator. Who's fault is it? Partially mine for going faster than I should have yes, but I only went faster than I should have because others have done so before and because I thought there were brakes that worked on the car and I had every reason not to suspect the brakes on the car would also be an accelerator. i.e. The entire design gave me a false sense of security. The result of human error that night at the reactor should have been a power spike with scram, at the very worst, a partial meltdown which is more than manageable without deaths, not a reactor explosion and the irradiation of 2600 square kilometers which was the result of bad design and processes plus a lack of any processes written for a test under the situation they had been put in, all of which were out of the operators control. Had the reactor design not been so flawed, the only thing you would know about Chernobyl would be a brief Wikipedia page with it sat next to 3 mile island in terms of severity and people would still be living there.
A lot of people surprised at how old “Dyatolov” looks, this guy had an accident with a Nuclear reactor on a submarine years before Chernobyl. Then his Son died of liechemia, not sure if it was related. Fair to say the guy took a fair amount of radiation hence why he looks so old and frail.
Thank you so much for uploading this English translation. I recently watched the HBO series where Dyatlov was shown as a monster. Then I read "Chernobyl" by Serhii Plokhy and "Midnight in Chernobyl" by Adam Higginbotham and they told a very different story: a 'hard' man, but not evil, not incompetent. I am glad I can now hear his story directly. I was particularly impressed when I heard that, at the trial, Dyaltlov refused to pass blame to his subordinates (eg Akimov, Toptunov) even though it would have been easy to do so as they were dead. From what I read, he sounds a very different man to the one told in the HBO series. I think it is disgraceful that HBO were so willing to paint Dyatlov and Briukhanov has incompetent, uncaring, ignorant and selfish. They made mistakes but it seems both were competent, intelligent, diligent men who were caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, and were burned by the Soviet system that created them. Given the HBO series is subtitled "What is the cost of lies?" it seems very ironic - and appalling - that they too are willing to falsify history so much, just for the sake of having "heroes" and "villains" for the audience to relate to. Even the 'heroes' they chose were certainly not purely heroic, including Legasov.
In the podcast for HBO about the making of the series, it is verified that everyone who spoke, walked into the Reactor 4 control room, and what they did and said are accurate. Making Dyatlovs insults, and denial 100% true. Dyatlov's belief that the core didn't explode led to the death of Sasha Akimov, and nearly half a dozen more men who had either looked directly into the core... Or attempted to feed water through it under his orders. And I have found the real footage, where Dyatlov attempts to claim he was in the bathroom. Didn't blame anyone, but definitely tried to save his own ass
He wasn’t evil, but he was stubborn. He didn’t know how dangerous it was, or that the fail safe method would not work. That was something that the show did talk about. The show also brought up that it would’ve happened eventually even without his influence. He was scapegoated by the government and this is well known. However, he was a known bully who intimidated his subordinates, according to other interviews.
@@hannahbeanies8855 What he did know, is that the reactor had stalled, and there should have been at least a 24 hour wait before raising power again. SCRAM, and АЗ-5 are not there to let you almost fuck over the entire reactor, then say "Whoops time to use my fix it all button!" It's there in the event of an uncontrollable emergency, that will result in a meltdown.
Me too but please OP take note - don't display the subtitles from last to first. Make all the text appear at once, subtitles need to be low-key - no effects - and in particular not effects that show the last words before the first.
except? he's lying - he's guilty of poisoning most of the land around the plant and he supervised four previous FAILED TESTS same test - has zero honor to make this statement
It is easy to jugde him with the benefit of hindsight, but we'll never know if he did realise the risks, but ignored them, or he genuenly believed that everything was fine and never expected what has happened.
He thought he had a fail safe. The AZ5 button if thing got out of hand. But thanks to a design flaw the button made the situation lot worse. He is guilty but not completely
@@howdoifindaname2743 Its actually pretty concerning to see so many peope citing the mini series as if it were a historical source. People seem to forget that Chernobyl is fiction, BASED on true events.
@NEZ Survivor engineers said that Dyatlov,Fomin were totally misrepresented in the series.They were not such villains in real life as they are in the show.They said the spirit is there,but its not reality.The HBO show is not a documentary.So many documentaries on YT,books etc. and people learn about Chernobyl from an HBO production...Come here and judge.They say absolute horrible things about Ignatenko's wife too.It's really sad...One thing is sure HBO is making huge money from this people 's lives and deaths...
Anatoly Dyatlov worked in a shipbuilding plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, installing reactors into submarines. During a nuclear accident there, Dyatlov received a radiation dose of 200 rem, a dose which typically causes mild radiation sickness. His son died of leukemia at the age of 9 in the 1960s.
I'd like to see your mental agility at his age. some questions for you: *Have you ever seen the humble flat where the commander of the sub Kursk lived? *Did you know these 'safety' exercises shere delayed by electrical power plant outages, and the rat race for the copying the shuttle project? *Have you ever closely worked with radio active isotopes? Which ones? etc. ...
I like how this guy is talking about regretting everything he did at chernobyl and the harrowing description of his suffering the catastrophic accident filled his life with, and the comment section is basically memes. Humanity, pls fix.
He did not "regret what he did" . Basically he told that reactor shouldn't have been operated with such fallacies that it had back in 1986. Unfortunatelly this fallacies were not known to people who operated reactors untill the tragedy though constructors knew about them perfectly well
@@sergeyb3380 The point of the comment was to point out how people can make jokes about someone relating to something no matter how disastrous or horrible it may be, nothing more than that and it's not for better or for worse, I my self dabble in dark humor even if offensive xD I'm not against it is basically what I'm saying. Though thank you for putting some effort in commenting, people like me normally just type things for the sake of typing them out so ye.
A lot of people suffered and died, it could have been much worse if certain people didn't sacrifice their lives... but let us all feel bad for this guy who regrets his decisions, the decisions that caused the disaster to happen in the first place, because naturally we feel bad for people. The only type of humor that a person can appreciate watching this humor is dark humor, come on.
I'm a native russian and it's so interesting and bewitching to listen to such history....but those "Dyatlov" character from HBO series is absolutely not like this man .....
He looks like a highly intelligent retired engineer. Probably he was made a scapegoat by the government at that time. Yes, he made mistakes but he claims he followed the instructions and the real cause of the disaster was the faults in the power station design. Poor man, he has paid the price.
That is exactly what happened. The design team was too powerful to prosecute, also it would have harmed the reputation of their products, which were considered the pride of the Soviet Union. 4 of the 11 expert witnesses worked for the parent company of the design team, most of the others worked for connected groups who did work for the parent group, and only one was affiliated with the parent group of the operators. It was a show trial.
The whole event is so tragic, from so many aspects, that it is hard to comprehend. I understand people love to joke in the comment section, but for me personally, I could not either talk or joke during listening to this. My heart was so heavy, almost numb with pain. Dyatlov is not attacking any of his colleagues, not saying any of them did anything wrong. It might be a trick but he seems far from the arrogant monster he was portrayed as. Also, I could believe that those people, including Dyatlov, were all predestined to be guilty the moment the equipment failed. I know how those regimes work. I was a child during this disaster. We were also in the communist regime. The official stance was mild, there were warnings but people still walked outside, ate the food just after some washing... Well, 20 years later they cut out a 19cm tumor out of me. And the area is still not 100% stable, and there are so many of these reactors still working there, unchanged. Only protocol changed. If it happened again, I am not so sure we would have same brave people to give their lives right away, to prevent much greater disaster. And no, it would not be just Europe. We all live on the same planet, it would effect the whole world in time.
The RBMK reactor has a design flaw, yes. However, its engineers knew the flaw wouldn't be detrimental IF all the tests were conducted correctly. Dyatlov conducted the test incorrectly. 1) He put in too many control rods, causing power to decrease far below the generators' working threshold. 2) Because generators and backup system went offline, there emergency water pumps did not have enough pressure to put water into the reactor in the case of a meltdown. 3) When the control rods were pulled from the reactor, AS PER DYATLOV'S ORDER, too many were pulled and too quickly. 4) Pulling all but one control rod caused a power surge, raising the temperature far beyond its operating limit. 5) What little water there was in the reactor almost immediately turns to steam, but is trapped inside the reactor core. 6) Trapped steam within the core raises pressure, which causes the fuel rods to reach Super Critical Mass. 7) Super Critical Mass leads to the chain reaction, causing the explosion and immediate release of lethal doses of radiation, killing the personnel who were working closest to the reactor. The RBMK reactor's generators were never supposed to reach below a certain threshold. But if tests were conducted correctly, they wouldn't get near that threshold. This accident was caused by two major factors. A) Poor design, and B) Poor decision making.
@@bigtime9597 The thing is, he didn't know the reactors were flawed as this knowledge was kept a secret from everybody. He didn't know that what he did will cause an explosion. They were given information or better say propaganda, that RBMK reactors are virtually safest thing in the world and indestructible. He did things wrong, but because he taught that he can't do damage to the reractor.
@@bigtime9597 But again he, during the whole time, was thinking that if something goes wrong, he can abort. He didn't know that the AZ-5 button that is supposed to abort everything, will in fact cause an explosion. If he knew that AZ-5 will blow up the reactor, he would never put the reactor in that state.
I thought I might chime in- If anyone has questions about Russian, Japanese, American nuclear power systems (et al) I’ll be happy to help. I’m not a nuclear physicist but I did stay in a holiday inn express last night.
Dyatlov was not even the one who infamously insisted that the reactor was still there when it had exploded; that was Akimov. Dyatlov risked his life searching for the pump operator that was killed and did several things which prevented the accident becoming worse. He was incompetent, but he was not the villain and he wasn't just sat in the control room ordering people to die
Akimov was known for being in denial over the exploded reactor, he replayed false information for the next couple of hours. Dyatlov even tried, multiple times, to order Akimov and Toptunov to go home and save themselves. this was when they were still in the control room and had not received a fatal dose of radiation. Akimov and Toptunov later chose to put water in the core, believing that it was still intact, which was what gave them their fatal doseage of 15 Sv.
@@iloveindomienoodle Because a single bad guy works better for drama, right? It creates lots of tension to have everyone else know it is dangerous but have to follow his insane orders anyway. Every character in Chernobyl represents lots of people; Khomyuk is literally an invention to represent many scientists. Boris too, even though he was a real guy; He represents 'the Soviet Bureaucracy' at first. Dyatlov became the single person that represents 'arrogance' in the drama, so all the bad, arrogant decisions made by others were put onto him.
@@iloveindomienoodle Because it wasn't just Akimov either. It wasn't 'just' anyone. Dyatlov made very bad decisions too. Dyatlov makes obvious sense as the villain because he was in charge of the room, and he was known to be a very unpleasant fellow to work with. Ironically, they made the exact same move as the Soviets did in making him the bad guy because he was the easiest one to blame everything on.
The real Leonid Toptunov worked at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant since March 31, 1983 (!). He was born on August 16, 1960, and after graduating from university at the age of 22, he began working at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. In the USSR there was a distribution system after universities, when you didn't find a job yourself, the university found you a job.
"kid". Are you serious? Is this really how current generation views maturity? When this happened, 25 year olds could already have had almost 10 years of experience in their industry, and be In supervisory positions, commanding others. In the 80s and 90s, 25 was very much not "a kid." As it always was. The current situation of perpetual childhood is abnormal and at odds with the previous 10,000 years of human history. Don't insult these competent and experienced men by implying that they should have been at home playing video games and reading comic books until 30.
@@fabiendevil it is tourist attraction right now. I was in Chernobyl before new shelter, before TV-series and after it. I see difference. Before TV-series: we were only people in Pripiat at the moment. You could actually feel the silence of dead city. Only noise was my dosimeter. Now? Commercial...
@@modabska4789 Yes and is not only because of serie HBO many youtuber with millions sucriber make this place to be a commercial with their influence and Ukranian poor gourv want to make money on tourism with Chernobyl area so ...
@@modabska4789I am American and have wanted to visit it as a memorial and pay respects. I would be majorly angry if others there were acting as stupid tourists
I think even Dyatlov was also a victim of the apparatchik. It's heartbreaking to watch this man imagining what he went through. I guess sometimes circumstances let us do things which is questionable but also beyond our control.
Yes. He is a victim of URSS. He is a victim of communism. He, Legasov and Boris and another 100 million people in the whole world are just victims of Marx. That is why I hate left, communism, socialism, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Hitler, Mussolini, Antonio Gramsi, ...
Absolutely what happened to this guy is like someone driving really fast in a car and expecting there to be brakes but then when he pressed on the breaks the car exploded sure he shouldn't have been doing what he was doing but it not like what was doing was beyond the ken of what the reactor should have been able to handle.
He knew what he was doing and chose to not follow the safety rules. He was in charge that night. His fault. Despite the design flaw in the reactor it never would have been put at risk if he performed the test as detailed.
@@darbyohara He’s basically saying that he didn’t break any rules that were known to him at the time. Others knew and they kept the RBMK design flaws from the operators to avoid embarrassing the state.
@darbyohara I mean kind of but also not really. The it definitely wouldn't have happened under "normal" conditions like he was saying it could have in the interview but he was expecting the reaction to abort when the rods were inserted. Like I said, sure he shouldn't have been rushing the heating process. But also a car shouldn't explode when you step on the breaks. Had he known he wouldn't have done that, obviously. All his knowledge and education told him input x and y will happen but when x got inputted z happened and that was completely unpredictable because the image obsessed soviets hid design flaws from even their own nuclear engineers. Really it's closer to a test pilot being blamed for an aircraft crashing. Yes he was at the controls, yes he did an unusual procedure but also he can't really be blamed for the plane not flying straight. Had the soviets built the reactor right what he did probably wouldn't have even warranted a reprimand and the reactor wouldn't have exploded.
I liked HBO Chernobyl series... it´s great, but because i am "fan" of nuclear energy i was interested in Chernobyl disaster many years (only as a hobby, i am not an expert and i have no proper technical education) so i can easily see "flaws" in series same as i can see how is "Chernobyl series" interpreted (bad USSR nuclear politics, bad engineering of Chernobyl Power Plant, and "very bad" Dyatlov and RBMK´s design). Of course in many ways it´s a right but. First of all - HBO series didnt mentioned several important things. 1) First attempt to make such test as was turbine test was proposed in Leningrad Power Plant and director of Leningrad PP refused to do that and openly said that this test is dangerous. (In Leningrad they had experience with accidental rupture in RMBKˇs reactor in 1975 - mentioned in series and once by Dyatlov here). 2) Most known accident wasnt in Leningrad but in Ignalina power plant when accidental heat and energy output risen in december 1983. This accident was known and Ignalinian operators informed rest of nuclear power plants in Soviet Union (Smolensk, Kursk, Leningrad, Chernobyl) where RMBK´s were installed. It was ignored. (It wasnt kept in secrecy, but it was just ignored!) 3) IAAE and other (from West and also (of course) from East) before Chernobyl Disaster thougt that RBMK´s design is good. It was powerfull, cheap and easily operated nuclear reactor. But... after Chernobyl disaster, everything was different. 4) With 90% probability contaiment structure coudnt deal with Chernobyl-like disaster. HBO series implies that contaiment could prevent radiation leak. Nope... the explosion was too powerfull. 5) Valery Legasov wasnt hero who commited suicide because "they" destroyed him. First preparation for upgrading RBMK´s reactors began in 1987 and were tested in Ignalina, Legasov died in 1988. His death fastened general upgrade (at least) but not started it. Legasov commited suicide because (probable - i dont know with 100% accuracy of course not) effect of radiation sickness (he was after at least two surgeries linked to radiation sickness). 6) Scherbina wasnt fatally ill from Chernobyl, he died in 1992 when was counter-candidate to Boris Yeltsin in presidental elections (i guess it was heart attack). 7) RBMK´s reactors are not only one kind of reactor with positive void coefficient (problem is they had (before upgrade) very strong positive response, highest coefficient). For example Canadian CANDU has also positive coefficient. CANDU also uses natural uranium (as moderator is serving heavy water, not graphite). 8) Soviet Union decided for RBMK´s for several reason (include the low price) but most important reason was power output. It was 1000 MWe per reactor in Chernobyl, 1500 MWe per reactor in Ignalina and furthemore 2400 MWe a 4800 MWe were designed on paper. And that was in same time when most powerfull Pressurized Water Reactor of soviet design (VVER-440) hat power output only 470 MWe. So if somebody mentioned "soviet design" and as example shows "bad RBMK´s" i must on other side say, that in USSR were also designed probably best and safest reactors of VVER design (PWR type or just "water cooled-water moderated pressurized reactors"). In my country 6 of VVER´s are in operating 4 of them since 1987 (nuclear power plant Dukovany, probably safest nuclear power plant in Europe). 9) Graphite tips on control rods were long 4,5 metres! So imagine how stupid were Toptunov and Akimov when they pulled them off completely! Boron was already out of reactor core and they still pulled them off more and more. Absolutely unlogic... exactly stupid! Of course AZ-5 (or system SCRAM/SKALA) coudnt saved situation. And last one... 10) In RBMK´s reactors was also another emergency system (emergency cooling system which can send additional water to the reactor). It wasnt mentioned, but for information, that system was disconnected during previous day to allow the turbine test. (its just detail... but IF that system was working, they could send to the overheated reactor more water instead of using the AZ-5 which "detonated" reactor, there is theory from Dimitri Medvedev (not that Medvedev - ex-president of Russia) which served as a deputy chief engineer of Chernobyl Unit-1. Sorry for lenght of this ... and sorry for my english, i am not native speaker or daily user. I just want to say that HBO series was very good, but had some "weak points" and offered traditional view on soviet "obsolete" technologies. In Chernobyl it was - at first place - human error maybe bordering with crime (not soviet regime, not communist lies and other things) what killed people. They broke all rules. And that is important. Other things are also remarkable, but that what they did is paramount of everything.
I'd like to add one thing: after the catastrophe az5 button was replaced with a key, switching that key downs the rods for 40 seconds and operator can't cancel this command. I find this improvement very interesting, because before operator had to hold the button and lowering the rods was rather mechanical process and most likely Toptunov's intentions were not to shut down the reactor completely but just to slow the reaction by lowering the rods just a little bit. This theory explains why graphite rod tips had such devastating impact.
5) Why would he suicide nearly at the anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster then? What you're saying doesn't add up and might be propaganda from Russia. 6) Also, it's 1990 not 1992, 2 years do make a difference. Other than that solid insight, Thank you.
This deserves to be uploaded with audio English translation by someone fluent in both Russian and English, with sufficient proficiency to correctly translate idioms and technical terms. It is a very important historical document and Dyatlov deserves his side to be available to be heard in the same language as the HBO series that portrayed him as an ignorant and incompetent, egomaniacal monster. _"My only task is to achieve the publication of the truth about the causes of the disaster, to save from shame at least the memory of my fallen comrades. I have no other personal plans and cannot be. I received 550 rem during the accident, and about 100 rem - during the previous work. The skin is burned by radiation. Now I am a disabled person of the second group. Life is running out. Therefore, day and night I think only about one thing, I want only one thing - the truth, and nothing but the truth."_ *Anatoly Stepanovich Dyatlov*
What you’re saying is almost entirely correct, however I would like to highlight that I’ve heard comments that Dyatlov had quite a large ego, and would not have seen the test not done on schedule.
Idiots repeating quotes from that tv show. Disrespectful assholes making fun from a disaster. Thanks to that show this man is considered as evil as Hitler, people mock him by putting words he never said into his mouth. Show was interesting as a piece of drama, now do some research and pay some respect to those who died there and afterwards. Chernobyl is not a cool tourist attraction, Stalker has noting to do with it. It was a horrible disaster and still is. Listen to what he is saying, it is hard for me to blame him for what happened. Imagine going to work do your job without knowing the equipment your employer provided is faulty and after something goes wrong everybody blames you. He calls his dead colleagues "rebyata" that means kids or boys in english. That does not fit to the monster of a man he was portrayed in the show.
@@ThreeFontStreet well, actually no. I don't think it enrages him, but proly he fails to understanding this. I mean of course you can make fun of this tv show, the tragedy that occured thousands of lives, but I'm not sure that you should wait for the person who lives on post-Soviet space to laugh with you on this. Everything that happened is a tragedy. I'm not sure that you make fun of WW2(which doesn't mean you can't do it).
It's been mentioned before in the comments, but the thing that bothers me the most about the HBO series is their portrayal of Dyatlov as being the sole villain and the cause of the disaster. Of course, I wasn't there to see the events unfold in the control room, but from the interview, Dyatlov seems to be a man who was merely doing his job and was trying to understand what just happened when the reactor exploded the same as everyone else there was doing. I'm not saying he is not to blame at all for the incident, but he surely was not the sole cause or should bear all the blame for what happened.
the show has a lot of things rushed and dramatized. its at best infotainment if not entertainment. for instance the harsh quick reactions to the radiation, vomiting, severe burns...its all presented as in "10 minutes after big bang happened". YES, you would react to it like this. but over the course of hours or days, not this immediate. but it was dramatized informed storytelling about the catastrophe of chernobyl, not a specific documentary of one firefighters realistic radiation sickness. every entertaining story needs its villain and its hero. they tended to make dyatlov to be the villain and legasov, who actually factually omitted facts and "lied", the tragic hero. which he also very likely was not, even if he eventually took his own life over all of this.
Then you haven't seen the show from beginning to end? In the last part Legasov explains the AZ-5 button flaw in court and also tells that people in the control room didn't know that because it was kept from them.
You know he wrote a book explaining exactly what transpired, right? _Chernobyl: how it happened_ The translation was done automatically and is difficult to read. Better if you know Russian and read the original. But here it is. b-ok.cc/book/5238611/18e674
@@forestdenizen6497 to be fair, we would likely only know the full truth, if we could personly withness the events. I am not saying that Dyatlov ommited events in his accounts, but it is not impossible, that he, or others, who discribed the events of this night simply missed something, due to their attention being focused on somewhere else.
Myuutsuu85 this is bot wrong at all, infact every person who has ever live in a socialist state like the USSR vowed to never make their country look weak, the matter is, we dont and will never know what exactly happened because even though he is explaining it through his eyes, how much can we trust the eyes of a communist? How can we trust theeyes of a man who defended a country that tried to hide a global nuclear emergency from the world that couldve wiped out aprox 1.5 bilion people just for the countries “pride”, the answer? You cant trust anything this lying shitbag says, the only quote i truly beleive from the movie to be true is when legasov says “because of our secrets and our lies, they are practically what define us, we lie and lie because we dont want to recognize the truth that is already there.” Only he recognized what they had done and i dont and will never trust a communist country. Just think about it this is going on right now with covid-19 china LIED about the disease saying, its not a threat to the us, now the us has moreover cases than any other country.
He lost his son to Leukaemia ,he received an excessive dose of radiation poisoning working on submarines and then he was in charge of Chernobyl reactor No 4 .The man was not afraid of the atom .
The show definitely made him look more like a villain than he really was. The main villains are those who kept the information secret about the AZ5 safety button, which was known to have a major flaw for over 10 years before the accident.
@@SASHqua Yeah why care about a series which took source from survivors, let's believe an old man who is about to die and decided to say his version of the story.
@@zzureee And tell me which of the survivors would possibly know anything about what happened at control room? Arrogant pricks don't become nuclear physicists, they don't have enough brains for that. Even while watching the HBO series, Dyatlov scenes felt so unrealistic, because basic common sense just feels he should be way smarter than he is showed there, and I didn't even know this guy existed before! Series even clearly showed, that the design flaw was known and kept in secret, so you are stuck in paradox, mate!
a broken human being. broken by the accident, by the system and judged without knowing the truth. everyone makes mistakes but fortunately not everyone works in a nuclear power plant. RIP:-(((
Muhammad Amir Shehzad , ok he did what he had to and shot down the reactor then explosion. İf the show telling the truths he had to warn city commity or governer to evacuate the city immediately, in real people continued to live in the city for more 30 hours !
bros, the test was meant to start between 700-1000 megawatts but Dyatlov yelled at his workers to start from 200. there was an error and the reactor needed to be shut down but Dyatlov yelled to continue the test
He is absolutely crushed. He recieved heavy doses of radiation 2 times, first when he was installing a nuclear reactor in a submarine and then in chernobyl. Unbelievable he survived both incidents.
Sounds like you are sympathetic to someone who was directly responsible for the worst nuclear disaster the earth has seen, which killed unknown thousands of people.... He doesn't deserve sympathy.
It seems to me HBO's Chernobyl didn't do justice to him. Saw videos of people who were working with him (here on TH-cam) saying he wasn't that incompetent and bullying his subordinates as it was presented.
@@AndreyDrovosek The fact that he was bullying employees is true and confirmed by many people. He wanted to deliver results to those of higher rank, no matter the cost. Sadly, whole soviet union worked like that.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 I so tired of seeing people who judge another people or entire system living on the other side of the planet without checking fucking facts. He didn't bullied anyone. If you actually read accounts of people who knew him, you wouldn't find any mention of "bullying".
Everyone suddenly became a nuclear engineer after watching series and started judging and entitling people... Cool Down! You weren't there. You don't know how everything actually happened. HBO created an amazing series but it's not a criminal investigation documentary. It's just a drama movie based on real facts.
We don't know everything that happened, but we don't need to know that. We know enough based on the records from the SKALA computer and from independent witness testimony to conclude that while RBMK was a faulty design, Dyatlov has contributed to the disaster a lot. Yes, the emergency shutdown should not cause a power surge - but it only did that when the rods are fully withdrawn from the core ...and it still wouldn't have been dangerous had the reactor not been brought to the edge of disaster by Dyatlov. When he says that the experiment had 'nothing to do' with the disaster, he is in direct contradiction with virtually every single nuclear scientist in the world.
@@Liquiddnbftw 1. only the RBMK reactors were unsafe, VVERs are Russian and they are just as good as any other reactor type. 2. USSR might be no more, but RBMKs are still running. 3. the design flaws of the RBMK were definitely a major factor in the disaster, but this is no excuse for Dyatlov. He violated every rule there was about running the reactor and the test and even the flawed control rod design would not lead to an explosion had he not insisted on increasing the power of a reactor poisoned with xenone, which could be achieved only by pulling out almost all of the boron rods out. Xenon poisoning was not a secret, it was an issue he knew about and which he ignored
@@leeroa1 Can you personally prove him guilty?! I'm guessing you can not. Dyatlov was sentenced to 10 years of prison and died either in prison or shortly after.
@@eugeneasmakov2251 Can you personally prove him innocent? I'm guessing you can not. But i love how you asked if he can prove him guilty and then pointed out that he was in prison, which means that he was proven guilty. You are a special kind of dumb.
I feel quite bad for the memory of Dyatlov, sure he was a bit of a dick while in work, but he was an unflinching professional. The TV series, as amazing as it was, made him out to be a villain type of character, but I guess TV series need a sense of good guys and bad guys.
Same feeling after watch the serie, Paul Ritter is a good actor but I had my doubts on his personality accurancy on this role. He is very close to the tyrant actitude.
To be fair are conflicting opinions on what Dyatlov was like as a, person. He looks frail and vulnerable here, but that excuse his actions. I wouldn't say he was villain, becuase the world doesn't work that. He was a flawed human who was arrogant and mistakes. He was product of his time and his country's culture
Yes, because film wasn't so perfect. In my opinion, film tried to show all stupid stereotypes about USSR, looks like it was miserable country with miserable people in goverment. It's terrible. Mr. Legasov is tipical "good man", Dyatlov is" bad man", and all USSR is a "Mordor" with stupid "orcs", who drink vodka 24/7. But, maybe, not everyone knows, that in 80-s alcohol WAS FORBIDDEN. And, of course, alcohol was forbidden in time of disaster. Where you can see, that drunk people work? It's SO stupid... And it is a fucking lie in series of HBO.
After watching this interview I can't feel nothing less than empathy towards this man. This man wasn't supossed to be potraited as a villian as HBO potraited him..
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I can only agree. He was put in a shitty situation due to information not being circulated about the dangers of that type of reactor, like he mentioned somewhere around two thirds of the way trough the video. 10 years before the accident someone knew about the possibility, but the information wasn't passed on. It was also clear from the way his eyebrows moved that he really tried to protect the people around him, both inside and outside the power plant. He did his best with the information he had, and got charged and convicted for it in return. That is the least of it, though. The things he saw and the guilt he must have felt for a long time despite trying his best would destroy a lot of people completely. And then there is the radiation sickness on top... At least it appeared that he was at ease with himself at the time of the interview. He even laughed when he talked about the conviction.
thx for uploading it with a translation. Quite a fascinating watch. What happened to the end? It just abruptly ends (seemingly mid statement). Of course the HBO series is fictionalized, dramatized and only "based" on the true events. But I find it interesting how many little details of what was shown in the series Dyatlov more or less confirms if you read "between" the lines. Of course it differs in some key points, which could paint a bad light on his own role. This is his viewpoint (and to some degree) last chance for "redemption" after all. In my mind, Dyatlov is no "villain", he is a human, who (from all what we know) made some bad descisions before and after the explosion, but also couldn't know that the failsafe would cause an explosion. So he has an obvious "way out". We all know how our brain tries to rationalize all of our past actions and retroactively brings memories into a coherent story (even if it has to change or surpress some). That happens every day even for little things, but especially if you live through such a traumatic experience. This interview is "his" side of the story with only one goal: clear his own name from any wrong doing before his death. Of course he thinks of himself as a good person, who never could harm anyone or cause such a horrible accident. Of course in his mind he did everything right, was always responsible (never prioritized his career over safety), has no fault on what happened and also had a friendly working relationship with his colleagues. Seeing his facial expressions during his interview, and the way he frames the events, I see alot of signs, that lead me to strongly question the truth of his recollection. Of course there are also contradictory statements from other people and some conflicting facts. Sadly most of his colleagues from that night are dead at the time of the interview and can't react or respond to that interview with their own insights. And yes, we can't know for sure what happened in that control room before the explosion. Was he used as the scapegoat for the accident? Of Course... Was he the ignorant, quick-tempered careerist as portraited in the series who made inexcusable bad descisions before and after the explosion? Maybe not to that degree... But I also don't believe his story in the way he tells (and tries to rationalize) it here for the public. I think the truth is as always somewhere in the middle.
@@sincereamir4544 Yeah he didn't know the emergency button could cause an explosion. But that emergency button would have worked just fine in 99% of all possible cirumstances. Just in this one very specific and unusual case it led to the catastrophe caused by bad descisions for the test. They ignored multiple safety measures to rush the test and Dyatlov had an important part in it. The test should have been done before taking the reactor into regular operation. But they got the reactor online early just to report a great success to their leaders (without doing this test). After that they failed multiple times to succesfully finish the test. And now on the day of this test they get a demand to delay the test and let the reactor run (on half power atm) for a while, because of a shortage in the electricity grid (starting the process of "xenon poisining"). They could have just moved the test to another day. Instead they decided to proceed at that night with the more inexperienced and for that test untrained night shift. This shift had no time to prepare and understand what was needed (hell, lot of workers on reactor 4 didn't even know a test was running at that night). When experiencing the unusual power drop, they removed nearly all control rods (what you should never do and which later was a big factor for the explosion because all these removed tips from these control rods entered the reactor back at the same time). They proceeded with the test even though the reactor still was below the required power level (and because of this the results wouldn't have be useful anyways). The computer log showed exactly all these (and more) bad descisions for that night. Diatlov had a major part in this. He was responsible for the test and that control room. He had the power to stop any of this, but he just wanted to get that test done. And then we have all these conflicting reports of what exactly happened after the explosion in the control room. His "I was on the toilet" (which really was his claim at the trial) was quickly contradicted by several other witness statements. Also, If Diatlov quickly realized that something major has gone wrong and the reactor had exploded (as he claims in his interview)... Why don't warn the firefighters about the danger? Why give the in this case pointless instructions to colleagues? Why did the leaders in moscov recieve a "reactor is stable, situation under control" report? And these are just a few examples... In the end Diatlov was a scapegoat for the russian government. But his irresponsible descicions for rushing the test and ignoring safety measures heavily contributed to the catastrophe. His inability to handle the situation after the explosion maybe can be attributed to the shock and denial (but he still had the responsibility as chief to handle it).
To all of you guys insulting Dyatlov, please realize that Chernobyl mini series is still a tv show. Not everything that was spoken in tv happened in real life. None of us was there so we don't know. People say that he was a good person even though series portray him in bad light. None of those people there wanted this to happen and he just wants to defend himself because as he said, in Soviet union accidents could happen only because of human failure so they had to find someone to blame.
my father in law had to clean up the mess this idiot left behind as a liquidator. he's dead now and it wasn't a nice death, i can tell you that. And all of his buddies who went with him in to that high contaminated radiation zone where they worked their asses of in order to save so many people.He was the last survivor of his group, they are all dead now. Now i am watching this moron who was one of the people who caused all of this and he's blaming everything and everybody except himself.
@@PallaviSingh-ot2mf yes a lot of it just seemed to be people did what he said without question and he didn't realise how dangerous the situation was so when he told them to do this or that they ended up walking into a horrible death.
@@lex1945 i understand the frustration, that is horrible to feel like that becuase it affected you in this way, and everybody here's talking about a tv show?
Literally the first line in the movie is about how the world blamed him because world likes to point a finger. It vilified nuclear energy which pisses me off
@@necronomicion00 correct apparently he was a very hard man to work for too as his ego was ginormous that’s if you believe the documentary’s...He was probably entirely innocent but was made the scapegoat by the regime at the time..!!
@@Roscoe.P.Coldchain >entirely innocent He poisoned the core and then removed ALL control rods except 1. Would that been enough for that alone to blow the core? Probably not. But it's not as "innocent" as you tried to imply
I have seen some clips of the HBO miniseries and was quite surprised at the caricature of Anatoly Dyatlov. Yes, everyone agrees that Dyatlov was tough. A hard man that had scaled up the Soviet hierarchy from almost abject poverty to higher status positions through hard work, a harsh no-nonsense approach to personal relationships and a willingness to take risks but he was no psychopath, unlike the character in the TV mini-series. In this interview I think he is largely telling the truth as he had nothing to hide by then (he died soon after). Chernobyl was the consequence of a criminal system that promised Heaven on Earth and brought Hell instead. In an infantilised, corrupt system like the former USSR, there is no need for singular 'baddies'; its tragedy was that everyone became eventually simultaneously victim and perpetrator.
THAT!! I wish people understood that better. I think that is one thing I dislike about a lot of works coming from USA. They sure do like to know who the good guys and bad guys were.
Dyatlov's character is well-described in an earlier dramatisation of Chernobyl. He is described as "A hard man, operating in a harsh system," and "not an unreasonable man; rather he is the product of the contradictions inherent in the Soviet system."
@@johnathanhughes9881 I watched this interview and Zero Hour's docudrama before checking out the miniseries and the hyperbolic portrayal of Dyatlov became immediately apparent to me for this reason.
Everyone who blames and insults him, must understand that the USSR was a reality most of you could not even understand, yet survive. He had his job to do, orders which came from higher up. The reactor had a flaw. Blame Soviet technology rather than one man.
Agreed. Living in the USSR, even as one of the elite (not politically elite, but elite due to education/training), had to be harsher than most of us these days can even imagine. Of course for those who have never held a salaried job anywhere, much less the USSR, it would be even more difficult to understand. (edited: typos in one word)
@Jardmang Jardmang Well I guess North Korean defectors go through a similar thing, or worse... a huge change in their lives from black to white. Only thing I've read about Russia is people are still very poor even though poverty rates have decreased over the last decades. Don't know why I find it such a confusing country when others seem so easy to understand for me, but I guess it's just a matter of knowledge about each specific country.
Are you stupid or belive, that HBO showed a truth? Do you know, that HBO tried to show the USSR like a "Mordor" with stupid "ocrs", who drink vodka anytime? Do you know, that a scene with naked workers was a fucking nonsense? Do you know, that at 80-s alcohol was forbidden and nobody drunk, espacually on the hard work? It must be the real fool to belive, that all in series was true.
It was not just one man but a team and he was at the top of that team. Yet he takes *zero* blame himself - he points to the reactor 100%. There are still many of these in service and yet zero have gone skywards. Sure procedures changed but its not like they did not know what they were trying to do is not *risky*.
This man is telling the truth. It’s sad to see people making assumptions just based on Chernobyl from HBO. The man in charge that day was Akimov, and he just physically couldn’t insult him nor the others during that shift and neither give orders because he was not in command. Every worker that remained alive or died later always remarked that Dyatlov “Was a man who hated lies and injustice, and was always direct and personal when he wanted to say something..; we were still quite frightened by him at times, because he was strict and old-mannered, but he never went too far.” Everything he reported here is true, and actually corresponds overall to the sequence widely accepted by scientists, and the sequence represented in the TV serie, but he wasn’t a bad man, he was strict, but he had good moral and human values, and he generally got wrongly depicted pretty much everywhere. EDIT: Sources: 1) Wikipedia; Article on Akimov in russian language: “Akimov was in charge of the night shift working on the 4th reactor block the 26th of April, 1986” 2) To piece together the figure of Dyatlov, you have to read several interviews and remarks about him from his coworkers. They are easily found anywhere on google, but they are mainly in Russian.
@@deimantev8641 No i was inside Chernobyl just like you (OH WAIT) and i know exactly what happened..I also believe someone who says "it wasnt my fault" because you know thats TOTALLY something that a guilty person wouldnt say...MINDBLOWN right "expert"??
if the scientists who designed chernobyl's reactor had to design a car they would make it so when you press the gas it accelerates and when you press the brake it also accelerates but twice as hard
@@noobovsky420 Yes. Because they have been retrofitted after the Chernobyl disaster so that emergency shutdown would actually work among other safety improvements!
@F. Friedrich Kling Hauss ok guys thanks for information ill check it up. can u guys give me the source of those tapes? i cant find any footage in youtube where he is saying that.
I do find it interesting how the tv series itself somewhat mirrors the Soviet authorities own efforts to hang a few individuals out to dry for the sake of optics. My main take from this interview is that whatever else that can be said about the man, he is very human. It's a shame this at least wasn't reflected better in the show.
The HBO series portrays Dyatlov as an entirely 1-dimensional man, stubbornly refusing to consider even the possibility of something going wrong to come in the way of his egotistical pursuit of promotion, with complete disregard for the well-being of others. The series turned him into a despicable villain, even more than what the Soviet union already did. This interview shows his thought-process that day was far more nuanced than portrayed. It is a sad irony, how the series manages to point out that the Soviet union needed its villain, a scapegoat. Like he says in this interview, and as is mentioned in the series, there is no equipment failure, only human failure. Yet the series, with ambitions of showing the realities of what happened, seems to want its villain just as bad as the Soviet union. So they turned a nuanced human being into a stereotype, a distorted caricature which looks and sounds nothing like this person that actually lived and breathed. It is very hypocritical, from a show espousing that chernobyl happened because people lie, to repeat those same lies just to make a more engaging drama.
No. Dyatlov in the Chernobyl HBO miniseries was nothing more nor less than a classic small-minded Soviet bully. I disagree totally that they made him a monstrous one-dimensional villain. The opening monologue by Jared Harris clearly states that the guy was anointed to carry the can publicly because he was nominally in charge and was deeply unpopular. The series’s true genius is its total authenticity. And there’s enormous nuance, especially in the clear stunned shock on Dyatlov’s face, in the final episode’s courtroom, when he discovers the SCRAM button was the trigger not the fail-safe they all assumed would be there. The Soviet Union churned out such people in their hundreds of thousands, robbing individuals of their humanity. Deny the facts if they go against the agenda. Call naysayers delusional. Bully and cow opposition. Appeal to the good of the state and question others’ loyalty if cornered. Denounce your rival before he denounces you. Lie, cheat and steal because the only crime is getting caught. As this is how anyone, anyone regardless of talent or competence, can rise up the hierarchy... and become in charge of an entire republic (Episode 2) even if all they’ve accomplished previously is being a worker in a shoe factory. A person who spent any time behind the Iron Curtain in the 80s is instantly transported to a period they knew, by the series, populated by characters they totally recognise!
There's not a single moment in any of the 5 episodes that show Dyatlov as being a nuanced character that can be sympathized with in any way. If your only example is his facial expression in the trial I suggest you watch it again. His facial expression barely changes. Throughout the show he is completely 1-dimensional. Give me a single example of nuance in Dyatlov in the show. There are none. When his coworkers are injured and distressed he's shown to be disgusted, annoyed and angry and doesn't seem to care about them at all, but in this interview it seems he is at least somewhat bothered by their deaths. In the show he doesn't seem to be interested in finding out what has happened, but here he describes running all over the plant trying to figure out what happened and working as best he could in taking precautions to prevent further disaster. He is not once shown to stop and think about what he is going to say, no sign of uncertainty, second guessing or considered thought. In this interview he really takes a long time to think before every word he says. And he describes how he immediately realized his mistake and tried to undo it after giving the order that resulted in 2 people dying. In the show he doesn't even care. The opening monologue in which Harris points out that Dyatlov was a very convenient scapegoat set up a very interesting expectation: that we would be shown a man that was indicated by circumstance as the man to blame, but that reality would turn out to be more nuanced than that. This is not what was shown, the show depicted him as a villain, and that depiction starts in that very same monologue with the final words "And as for what Dyatlov did do, the man does not deserve prison, the man deserves Death" Before we even see Dyatlov on screen we are primed to think of him as a despicable man deserving of death, and we are not shown a single thing to contradict this. Every single action he takes and every single word he speaks are those of a small minded, sociopathic, egotistical thug. I'm not saying he was a good guy. I have no idea what kind of man he was, but it seems to me that Craig Mazin wanted to show Dyatlov as being entirely despicable. A Joffrey type character that doesn't have a single redeeming characteristic. I enjoyed the show greatly, and especially the details and different perspectives, but when it comes to the character of Dyatlov in particular I don't see how anyone could say it is anything other than 1-dimensional and clearly out to show him as a villain. This is why I say the show is hypocritical. It commits the sin that it starts off by condemning. The sin of going for the convenient, simple and expedient narrative, instead of looking hard at the truth. I don't think Craig Mazin took a hard look at the truth of the character of Dyatlov to see who he really was. People who knew him has gone out after the show came out and said that yes he was arrogant, bullying and disliked, but he was nowhere near the monster shown on screen. When I see this interview I see a human with flaws. not the monster shown on screen. In fact I would say the character writing in general is the weakest part of the show. The actors are great, and the plot is fantastic. The attention to technical detail is admirable. The directing, editing, etc. It truly is a great show, but the main characters are not at all like real people. They are very neat and tidy dramatic types. What Hamsun called "a dramatized mass of wood" when criticizing Ibsen.
DavidKlausen Untrue. Nuance does not imply sympathy. You are totally confusing the two. As I said if you knew life in the Eastern block the character is totally human, totally _real_ because you encountered such people every *single* day, in every layer of interminable bureaucracy! If your complaint is that the dramatic Dyatlov wasn’t the “real” Dyatlov, that charge can be levelled at every character, because the series is not a documentary neither is a historical re-enactment. Dyatlov *sees* the graphite burning, in walking back to his office, but his Soviet programming refuses to let him see. He has a greater understanding of the Soviet system than the lady professor when telling her no matter what he says he will be found responsible. His entire motivation is to move up the ladder to a cushy office just like the two incompetents have done above him. He grabs for the hydrogen explosion/feed water lifeline. Dyatlov is the only one with the courage/or more accurately nihilist disinterest, to call out the show trial as a show trial! Your perceived lack of nuance is based, I suspect, in not understanding just how breathtakingly authentic the portrayal of characters in Soviet life really are in the series.
@@michaeljames4904 Nuance does not imply sympathy, and I never said that it did. Showing nuance in a character means showing how that characters actions are brought forth through the balancing of many internal forces that drive the character. The most common way of showing nuance in a villain-character specifically is to show the sympathetic characteristics, and how they stand in relation to the more awful ones. It does not mean that you have to make a likeable character. It means showing how character is driven by more than just one thing. If you show that a character is driven by one thing and one thing only, and there are no other internal forces working in that character, it is by definition a ONE-dimensional character. I asked you to give me examples of how the series shows nuance in Dyatlov, and you're only giving me examples of how he just cares about himself and doesn't give a shit about anything else. You're even saying it: "His ENTIRE motivation is to move up the ladder". Yet you call this nuance. Do you not see the contradictions in your own argumentation here? I'll try again: Give me ONE example of how the series shows nuance in the character. You can't because there isn't. I think you're the one who's confusing nuance with consistency, because the only thing you're saying, over and over, is how the characters actions are consistent with his motivation. A motivation which you yourself admit is entirely one-dimensional. I don't care if it's an accurate representation of a "type" of person. I'm not arguing wether or not this type of person existed in the soviet union, and I don't see why you think that's relevant. I'm sure there were millions of selfish bastards. I'm talking about a portrayal of one singular real person that actually lived here on planet earth, because even though it's not a documentary, the show is presenting itself as a version of what really happened and why. The show's main theme is the dichotomy of lies vs the truth. Here is a show about a very important and controversial event in recent history, whose main message that it keeps trying to hammer in is that the truth is very very important, and yet the show's creators feels that it is entirely ok to be untruthful in their depiction of the people involved. Do you disagree that this is hypocritical?
DavidKlausen _“Nuance does not imply sympathy, and I never said that it did. ... Do you disagree that this is hypocritical?”_ _8 hours ago_ *“There’s not a single moment in any of the 5 episodes that show Dyatlov as being a nuanced character that can be sympathized with in any way.”* Er... For whatever reason it’s clear that you’ve got a bee in your bonnet about Dyatlov in the HBO miniseries being as you keep alleging a “one-dimensional” un-engaging character who’s “lacking” in nuance. You can keep hammering that point until the, presumably irradiated, cows come home: but doing so simply avoids looking at any of the comment threads on hundreds - possibly now thousands - of videos related to the series, what do you read: what’s undeniable? You’re almost entirely on your own. Because whose lines do you see quoted more than anyone else’s by absolutely everybody?? By a factor of at least 3.6 to 15,000... Dyatlov’s. So, you may argue all you like that maybe, he may not have been great... but he certainly wasn’t terrible. 🤣🤣🤣
Let us all appreciate the fact that Anatoly decided to record his testimony. I would want to clear my own name with as close to factual truth as possible too. This is a predictable yet admirable move after an event as impactful as Chernobyl. Quit the memes and blame for a second and consider his position. He's been wrongfully disgraced to the fullest extent of the Soviet political system and made a parody of in countless documentaries. He finally gave himself a chance to say his part in a story that accelerated the demise of one of the most powerful nations in the world. Here we are, all able to witness a valuable piece of history. Fortunately, some among us aren't driven by stupid comedy.
What if he is lying or being dishonest about certain events? Negative comments can bring misinformation to light so hopefully others do further research and are not immediately duped by this guy. Dishonest content is not good. Truth is good. To quote the final line of the HBO Chernobyl series, "What is the cost of lies?"
@@jacobdavis3876 dude are you stupid ,he is clearly not lying so go f yourself and go watch some more hollywood drama in witch you will believe 100% because obviously you are a blind sheep. PS i liked the movie too but this guy is not lying 100
I can see an older broken man, that lived with the consequences of his decisions all his life. There is a pain on his face, his eyes are just dead he just looks drained.Those memories were haunting him till the end of his life. I don't say that he is innocent. He did make wrong decisions and he had to live with the consequences of it. Its still extremely sad.
It wasn't his fault... you dint hear this video... the experiment they were doing was related to safety measures and maintenance which happens in every reactor.. it has been done with reactor 2 and 3 in 1985 the previous yr... n even if at all things go out of control or doesn't seem proper every reactor has a shut down button n in soviet it was AZ5 whose wrk is supposed to shut down reactor effortlessly. But there was the dysfunction in AZ5 mechanism as well as the design of the reactor which was hidden from the operators. If operators knew abt it they would never have gone ahead with the experiment.
@@shubhisharma4261 you are wrong. The authorities knew about those types of reactor and they knew it malfunctoned ( reactor build and reactivity of headings, lack of strong confingment building). He wasn't aware of those things maybe but he knew that after he switched it off completely, xenon- reactor poison appears so he should know not to switch it on immediately only after few days. So yes, it was his mistake and authoritie's health and safety negligence.
@@RyanGosling5176 this isnt even funny... Why are people getting fun of this? HBO made a nice serial, but Chernobyl is something, that killed lots of people, so I dont see a reason to laugh
@@dashkinoo6740 its because replicas of this people like diatlov,but also i have a big respect for all who died in this accident and saved the Europe from a bigger disaster
Watching the show, i always knew Dyatlov was somewhat innocent. This simply couldn't have been how it was portrayed. This is an amazing piece of history, thank you.
Nah he wasnt im pretty sure he was told a long time ago ( u know when the soviet union existed) what to say and what to keep as a sectret when asked. this is how it works, its kinda works the same nowdays in post soviet countries (Im from hungary this is how i know)
The character of him in the chernobyl series did so much unjustice to him. In the series.. He has denied everything about the explosion of the core.. No graphites.. Etc.. But here he says the walls were damaged.. He was vomiting already because of reactor.. He is saying that he knew it was a catastrophe.. He even called for the safety of the injured.. But in series it has been shown like..." Take him out of here he is delusional.".. They really showed him in very negative way..
You do realize that this is HIS version of facts, right? and this is the guy who said: "I will not say that I was wrong, but I'll not say I was right". I just can't admit his share of fault for the disaster.
Exactly my feeling. He's been made a scapegoat again by the HBO series, but what, you need a noir character and right from the beginning... Dyatlov survived, was a top dog in the control room, so come on. His story seems more convincing to me now than the HBO story even though he just talks with some difficulty. Even the IAEA was first fooled by the Soviets (Lugashov!), but then they issued a second report which shifted the blame much more onto the reactor designers. There are some texts by Dyatlov on the web, he seems to have fought for the truth until he was out.
Actually in the series they never said he didn't we see him tell to go search for injured. He just definetly didn't believe the reactor exploded and he didn't even check himself... And he could! It was really not that hard.
You are comparing a man after his sentence and at the end of his life to the man who had just (mostly) caused the Chernobyl disaster and was simultaneously in denial of what he didn't yet understand and what he did but couldn't admit to. We have the luxury of looking back at this event knowing its massive significance -- as did the older Dyatlov in this interview. The people in the middle of the event, like the 1986 Dyatlov, didn't. It's likely his perception of events & his own responsibility of it all changed after the dust settled and the full story broke globally.
Let me tell you something, as Deputy Chief Engineer, I have the power to change the parameters of the test. So I will use that power. The test goes on. From your Seconds to Disaster counterpart.
The series portraits him in a bad light but I'm inclined to agree with Anatoly Dyatlov and also the larger message of the series: The root cause was that the Soviet leadership made decisions to use an inherently unsafe design and compounded this mistake by keeping information secret that was essential for the safe operation of the block.
Take it w a grain of salt. Dyatlov has done everything he can to try to pass the blame. Yes the reactor had an inherent flaw however it only became a problem when pushed to the edge of disaster already. Which Dyatlov did.
He insisted they ran at 200 instead of the 700, that the test specified. In bringing the power down Toptunov made a mistake. The mistake would've never have been made if Dyatlov had stuck to the numbers suggested.
@@jakobwithak3805 There were actually many design flaws, poor quality work, inferior building materials and a lack of safety culture. It does not come down to the actions of one person. Much like the meltdown in Japan this accident occurred due to neglect in all levels of management, design, procedure and training. Dyatlov made mistakes, and deserves some blame, but there were systems in place that would have allowed the reactor to recover but they failed too.
Dyatlov was never a moron, HBO portrayed him as the villain, the reactors design was severely flawed even if he was rude to his staff he didnt know of the reactor flaw of the tip effect that caused the power to surge after AZ 5 was pushed, had he known he wouldnt have ordered for the power to raised, he thought it was fail safe, he even helped the people in trouble and searched for Khodemchuk HBO is extremely inaccurate. However what lead him in prison was ignoring advise on how to do the test the KGB and the public blamed the men in charge because they had no idea what really caused it and denied what caused it, may everyone that suffered in the Chernobyl Disaster and assisted in the disaster, rest in peace you are heros
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The quality of this video is not great but it’s not terrible....I rate it 3.6 out of 15,000
Ive been told the quality is equivalent to that of a chest x-ray
Maybe because it’s not HBO movie, but real shooting was taken 25 years ago
Vasilisa Lukashevich it’s a joke, the comment I made above are lines spoken by Dyatlov in the HBO series...I’m grateful you uploaded this important piece of history
Vasilisa Lukashevich just a joke from the script of the show. This interview couldn’t be better
Brilliant
Plot twist: It was some random grandpa. Dyatlov was in the toilet.
LOL
i get it (From Chernobyl series)
Hahah I laughed more than i should
You didn't see Dyatlov because HE'S NOT THERE
Black humor
I feel like I've got radiation poisoning just trying to follow the damn subtitles that keep fading in and out.
That's OK, I got strontium poisoning from watching the HBO series.
Oh hi figureight hahahahahhaha
thankfully i know russian so i dont have ur problem lol
Didn't expect to see you here
Thanos snapped his finger over and over
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Dyatlov: Bitch please, I was right under an explosion of nuclear reactor.
Graphite: *exists*
Dyatlov: I’ve never met this man in my life
That's profile pic ug hahaha
Duck autocorrect
If the real Dyatlov went denial, he wouldn't have ordered the cooling water pumps to be shut down after he came back from reactor inspection.
@@piotrmalewski8178
Your confused rbmk reactor cores don't explode
@@derpynerdy6294 You're confused, DerpyNerdy thinks that entertainment TV shows state pure facts.
3.6 comments: about the actual interview
15.000 comments: *Not great, not terrible.*
Sorry, the **good** commentometer was locked in the safe. I didn't have the key
You're delusional. Take him to the infirmary.
Stop shitting on the tragedy with this stupid fake meme
i've seen worse...
@@Will_Willingston You didn't see it because it's not there!
the real catastrophe here is that subtitle technique.
😂😂😂
Haha yeah I hope there's a copy of this without baked subtitles somewhere so it can be redone
Its not great, but its also not terrible
@@ShaunDreclin there is video without hardsubs
hahahahaha
Dyatlov had basically died a broken man. From his son dying of leukaemia and then the Chernobyl Incident he had experienced so much. He was also a victim of the incident. Lest We Forget
Christian Bale with incredible role prep once again
Lmao
This comment is beyond amazing lmao
It was not that great, not that terrible.
nah...paul ritter was amazinggggg
LMAO now I cannot unsee this again.
The series was good under many aspects, but really exaggerated in their villanization of Dyatlov. He wasn’t entirely blameless, and perhaps was not the best boss to work with, but he wasn’t the arrogant asshole he’s been depicted as, either.
The real Dyatlov tried to help others in the aftermath of the explosion. He personally went looking for Khodemchuk (quite the contrary of “fuck Khodemchuk”), and he twice ordered Toptunov to go home and later tried to send away Akimov as well, at a time when they both could have still saved themselves - they had spent most time in the control room and had not yet absorbed a fatal dose of radiation, in fact Dyatlov had received more radiation than them at that point. Which is why he became sick sooner and was carried away, while Akimov and Toptunov, still feeling well, decided that they should stay and help and went to the coolant valves, where they received their fatal dose. And the real Dyatlov never, ever tried to blame Akimov and Toptunov for what had happened. On the contrary, he even wrote Toptunov’s parents telling them that their son had fully done his duty and that the accusations that had been laid against him (Toptunov) were injust.
Thats really important, and the show made such a villain from him. Thats really sad, coz now 90% of people will know him exactly like that one from the show :'(
if he tried to help others he would have died a whole lot sooner. he is a known liar. based on these, it wouldn't be far-fetched that he is an ahole to the nth level.
It's not villanization. You can't begin to understand a higher rank's arrogance in the communist countries unless you have lived in one. That is the exact behaviour of, say, a communist teacher in class, when you contradicted them: they would throw a notebook at you, hit you in the head and call you an imbecil in front of everybody. If anything, the portrail is to civilized.
@@abelnicolaebaritone All the operators in that control room were operating the reactor under the assumption that a SCRAM would safe any unsafe reactor situation. They were operating under false pretenses.
@@hoghogwild That's not the point.
Welcome to the comments section, where everyone is a nuclear physicist all of a sudden
Did you even read the comment section before your thoughtless post? It's literally 99% jokes no one's even trying to say anything serious let alone try and argue with the guy
I'm just here to say... Zup ese...
@WlakyMaster People definitely knew about it, they just didn't know much about it
THIS IS THE COMMENTS SECTION...... ????? I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE FUCKING TOILET, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE I WAS WHEN THOSE MORONS RAISED THE POWER.
@@tjn7608 Only old one. Now any child knows Chernobyl and before no one did..
This guy lived for 9 years following the accident. That is amazing considering how many others died who were there that night.
He left through the main gate and was evacuated. Most who died shortly after were the ones who stayed in the area for some time.
BTW, he got 550 roentgen, which is close to fatal, also important to point out
The man took fatal radiation doses TWICE in his lifetime and survived both.
He was on the toilet at the time, took most of the radiation for him.
No he did not
Please never EVER use a fade in of any effect on subtitles again. For the rest, thank you much for this video!
whats so bad about them ?
Andreas Kasel can be alittle difficult to follow. Not the end of the world really lol. I
Its not even the fade in. It's the fact that it's a radial fade in
It’s because he uses iMovie
If you can at least read at a 5th grade level you should be fine.
Thank you for bringing us this interview. This is an invaluable piece of history.
He said that the house would have been a good idea for the man to be able to make a decision to help with his own plans
@@TML0677 did hbo teach you that or do you know what really happened in the control room
Definitely.
@@Riddim_Squid do you know what happened in the control room mister
הלוואי שהייתי יודע רוסית ...אני לא מבין מילה ...חבל:(
He must have lived a difficult life. He comes from a poor fishing family and ran away from an abusive home at an early age. He is only 63 in this video, looks 87.
Radiation is a hell of a drug.
Also his son died from leukemia
He's 63? If you reverse 63 you get 36. 3.6 reontgen was the number that the low range decimeter recorded at chernobyl after the explosion. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
@@levibailey6256 Alright. He was 63 a year before he died (1995) the disaster happened (1986) he was 58 when it happened. So think twice. It's a coincidence, and itr would also be a coincidence if he died and was 36
@@ionobi9329 R/wooosh
I just love how everyone in the coment secction gets their facts from the HBO series and thinks they know it all...
Indeed. Quite sad actually when people "becomes a scientist with a PhD" just after 5 hours. Cant blame em when the movie/series gave the basic or rather, the "in a nutshell of it"
@@covb2615 true, I'm a nuclear physicist. Since I was 16 y.o I was searching, looking for truth about Chernobyl. Because of my university I was able to meet nuclear physicists that was actually involved after Chernobyl to explain what happened. I was in Chernobyl by myself 6 times. Me and my co-workers actually prepared a map of cesium after Chernobyl in our area. Even though I'm still not sure where the truth is. The more I learn, the less I know - the more I have to learn. And I'm really shock how people after one TV-series are now experts, better nuclear physicists than professors with 60 years of work in nuclear industry - because on TV they show that they did this and this so it is true for sure. Like famous bridge of the dead - is just a myth in a real life.
@@modabska4789 you are literally how the hbo series depicts dyatlov, completely dismissive of what others say regardless of their correctness on the basis that youve been in the field longer
That, and distasteful memes. But I have seen worse - slash fiction. Like... make slash of anything, just not this. :(
True. The real Dyatlov was nothing like the HBO series. HBO turned him into a bloody tyrant.
At first glance I thought this was Biff Tannen from back to the future.
Dave Newton The old Biff, LOL
He gave the sport almanac to himself on that night... 25th April, 1986 :D
Why don’t you make like an nuclear reactor and explode mcfly!
The comment of the year!
@@folgosa01 Hello Hello anybody home?! Hey think, McFly, think!
"Comrade Dyatlov, i've seen the video of your real interview"
"No you didn't."
"I did."
"No you didn't. ... YOU DIDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE *ITS NOT THERE* !!!"
😂😂
*bluuuuuurp* 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Much better than the 3.6 comment.
Feed water
He has been around it all night
@@infeedel7706 3.6? Not great Not terrible.
I cannot read the subtitles because I am busy reading all the comments.
me too
Same here
I paused the video 90 seconds in to read all the comments first haha
Not disappointed!
Literally the same
Bill Laswell maybe drunk typing?
the radiation poisoning has aged him in such a harsh way, you can see he's dying and i can't help but feel sorry for him. he's paying a huge price for his mistakes.
Well, that, and the labour camp he had to serve his time in.
Actually he paid for other people's mistakes as did tens of thousands of other men.
For his mistakes? He made no mistake there. You clearly don't understand the matter.
USSR: “There was no explosion it’s impossible.”
RBMK: “Oh yeah? Hold my graphite.”
What explosion? You're delusional.
Not explosion, but rapid unscheduled disassembly.
Правильно: Союз Советских Социалистических Республик, тупой гейропеец
You should have completed it with "Oh wait! You can't...."😂😂
I’m assuming you’re aged 12 or under, otherwise your attempt at humour is incomprehensible
Hard to believe this guy is the same Dyatlov that was portrayed by HBO.
Because that was a dramatization. I can't help but feel so bad for him. Nobody was aware of the design flaws, including him, and HBO made him such a villain. But when I look at at him I just see a sick, helpless old man filled with nothing but regret
@@Katya2000 Agreed. They seemed to go over the top in villifying him for dramatic effect.
Katherine The 2 aren’t inconsistent. He likely was a real son of a bitch when doing his job. After everything he went through after that plus aging, he likely mellowed a bit.
Most accounts of him say he was a real stern boss but actually cared about the job and spent much time figuring out the reactor as best as he could with the limited resources they provided the employees and he was very well liked outside of work, I loved the show but I am a little disappointed that they made him out to be such a horrible villain
Throwing binders at Kirshenbaum, calling Akimov an incompetent asshole, calling out Toptunov on his job performance and the same with Stolyarchuck! What a guy! Well in the book it said he had not slept for 48 hours before, so maybe that's why he was being such a hardass!
Welcome to the 2019 comments section where it is about making a funny while ignoring the more important context.
This is an excellent interview with some chilling parts. Thanks for the upload.
But for must of us who don't understand Russian, the weird and fuzzy style used for the subtitles makes the important part, the actual words, are very hard to grasp. So naturally, commenters criticise that. Often in a mocking fashion. That they criticise it by making jokes doesn't make the criticism less valid. I want to watch it, but a strange decision made by whoever added the subtitles makes that very hard.
The HBO series was extremely meme-worthy. In today's pop culture, that's actually a testament to it's quality.
This man is delusional take him to infirmary
The question is whether or not he lied in this interview.
Nobody is ignoring the more important context my dude, you can step off from your higher-ground feeling of moral superiority
"In Soviet Union, there were no accidents due to faulty equipment. In Soviet Union, accidents could only occur because of working personnel." - Anatoly Dyatlov. 55:16
Wow man. I though It was another joke until I clicked on the time stamp
Lmao he actually said it.
@@McLarenMercedes that explains a lot. Well written.
Not sure when the miner said "a Russian device designed to cut an apple into 4 pieces"
I grew up in the former GDR. It was the Soviet-occupied zone of Germany aka East-Germany. Dyatlov was right with his statement. The USSR and also all East block states (it includes the former GDR) were not allowed to make any mistakes. The technology should look and appear far more advanced than the technology of west states which includes especially USA. It was part of the propaganda: Russia had to be in space before USA, Russia had to build the first power plant before USA, Russia had to develop the first computer processor (CPU) before USA, Russia had to be better than USA in everything. It was the main part of the Cold War, that Russia had to be better than USA. That also means that the technology and the „socialist“ system had to appear flawless under all circumstances, that was Prio 1. And if something happened, it was the fault of single people at the maximum, but never of the „socialist“ system and its technology (which were -again- flawless). They made him (and others) a scapegoat to cover the flaws of a whole system. That’s what he tried to point out with that statement. In a dictatorship, like it existed back then, it is easier to replace people. I write „socialist“ system in quotation marks because it was rather a dictatorship than socialism. A real socialist state or real socialist system has not existed on our planet yet. Dictatorship should not be confused with socialism. As Gorbachev told once, the Chernobyl disaster was the real reason for the beginning of end of the USSR, not his Perestroika.
@@byte2702 I have a friend in Bremen now (she Grew up in the DDR & is the same age as me) She says the Trabant was considered a status symbol.?. I guess it's all relevant to what you know?
He's 63, looking like 93. Also, he was next door to an exploding nuclear reactor, but died of heart failure 10 years later.
Willi Hansen I think cuz of the stress
Morri cone I don’t think stress causes cancer though
@@kelbylesage537 He never said that. Stress can cause heart problems
R3lay Yeah but it’s the cancer that killed him, not the stress. I’d chalk up his aging and hastened death to radiation poisoning first and foremost
@@kelbylesage537 He died from heart failure not cancer.
I can see the humanity in him, the remorse and the pain. He made ill choices but he suffered with the team and paid the price like a man, I do not believe any further criticism is owed to him.
This is heart wrenching and tragic, and I have to say, for a man who has been to prison, knew his days were coming to an end, and has no reputation left to defend, that I believe him. He has nothing to gain nor lose by this, it is a recounting of history as best as he can provide.
I believe he was held to account for breaking policies that were modified after the fact, done so to save face for the Soviet Union.
I believe the training of those assigned to the reactor was woefully insufficient given their age and station of some.
I believe the reactor design itself had serious flaws.
I do not believe Dyatlov was an arrogant bully as portrayed in HBO's show. If he was guilty of anything, it was in being overly confident in the inadequate policies and procedures he was following, policies and procedures that were NEVER written to account for the design flaws in the reactor which had been classified as state secrets, where as HBO portrayed him as making up as he went along.
I believe this is the face of a man who carries deep regret for his part in this regardless of how inadvertent it was. I dare say it haunted him.
And I believe there are far too many comments on this video having a laugh at this utter tragedy and believing the character put forth by HBO over the real Dyatlov, out of a mix of ideological convenience and laziness, for many seemingly cannot be bothered to read every word spoken here, as is clearly evident by many comments.
To all those who still suffering and all those who died, I hope you find peace in this life or the next.
@@ПавелЗиманов Спасибо
Uh and he was the one that let the test proceed REGARDLESS of everything else you mentioned. He is 100% at fault.
@@BkGamer00000 Buddy, If I get into a car crash because I got into a car and decided to drive faster than the speed limit in places with the main accident being caused by applying the brakes to find not only that there are none, but that the brake is also an accelerator. Who's fault is it?
Partially mine for going faster than I should have yes, but I only went faster than I should have because others have done so before and because I thought there were brakes that worked on the car and I had every reason not to suspect the brakes on the car would also be an accelerator. i.e. The entire design gave me a false sense of security.
The result of human error that night at the reactor should have been a power spike with scram, at the very worst, a partial meltdown which is more than manageable without deaths, not a reactor explosion and the irradiation of 2600 square kilometers which was the result of bad design and processes plus a lack of any processes written for a test under the situation they had been put in, all of which were out of the operators control.
Had the reactor design not been so flawed, the only thing you would know about Chernobyl would be a brief Wikipedia page with it sat next to 3 mile island in terms of severity and people would still be living there.
Agree. I guess he's one of the most misinterpreted characters in the history of lies.
No. He's just a whiny bitch who should have gotten my light saber chops.
A lot of people surprised at how old “Dyatolov” looks, this guy had an accident with a Nuclear reactor on a submarine years before Chernobyl. Then his Son died of liechemia, not sure if it was related. Fair to say the guy took a fair amount of radiation hence why he looks so old and frail.
I read somewhere a while ago his son died because of wearing his dad's coat
@@JP-pu6zh it's very possible, see the chernobyl firefighters' clothing in the hospital basement - they're still so contaminated even today
He was twenty years older than he should have been.
He Caused it!
It's how Russians look
Thank you so much for uploading this English translation. I recently watched the HBO series where Dyatlov was shown as a monster. Then I read "Chernobyl" by Serhii Plokhy and "Midnight in Chernobyl" by Adam Higginbotham and they told a very different story: a 'hard' man, but not evil, not incompetent. I am glad I can now hear his story directly. I was particularly impressed when I heard that, at the trial, Dyaltlov refused to pass blame to his subordinates (eg Akimov, Toptunov) even though it would have been easy to do so as they were dead. From what I read, he sounds a very different man to the one told in the HBO series.
I think it is disgraceful that HBO were so willing to paint Dyatlov and Briukhanov has incompetent, uncaring, ignorant and selfish. They made mistakes but it seems both were competent, intelligent, diligent men who were caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, and were burned by the Soviet system that created them. Given the HBO series is subtitled "What is the cost of lies?" it seems very ironic - and appalling - that they too are willing to falsify history so much, just for the sake of having "heroes" and "villains" for the audience to relate to. Even the 'heroes' they chose were certainly not purely heroic, including Legasov.
I am interested in both books. Which one of those would you recommend best as being the more thruthful, please ?
In the podcast for HBO about the making of the series, it is verified that everyone who spoke, walked into the Reactor 4 control room, and what they did and said are accurate. Making Dyatlovs insults, and denial 100% true.
Dyatlov's belief that the core didn't explode led to the death of Sasha Akimov, and nearly half a dozen more men who had either looked directly into the core... Or attempted to feed water through it under his orders.
And I have found the real footage, where Dyatlov attempts to claim he was in the bathroom. Didn't blame anyone, but definitely tried to save his own ass
He wasn’t evil, but he was stubborn. He didn’t know how dangerous it was, or that the fail safe method would not work. That was something that the show did talk about. The show also brought up that it would’ve happened eventually even without his influence. He was scapegoated by the government and this is well known.
However, he was a known bully who intimidated his subordinates, according to other interviews.
@@hannahbeanies8855 What he did know, is that the reactor had stalled, and there should have been at least a 24 hour wait before raising power again. SCRAM, and АЗ-5 are not there to let you almost fuck over the entire reactor, then say "Whoops time to use my fix it all button!" It's there in the event of an uncontrollable emergency, that will result in a meltdown.
Ah the general English public is not known for its grasp of subtlety...
I would like to thank the uploader for the translation
Me too but please OP take note - don't display the subtitles from last to first. Make all the text appear at once, subtitles need to be low-key - no effects - and in particular not effects that show the last words before the first.
I second that
She didn't translate it.
Roman....
@@dnss1232 eeee romania
Thank you so much for this interview. Awesome!
he lost his son, was accused of the chernobyl accident, radiated 2 times, was at labor camp and only lived long enough to tell us the truth.
except? he's lying - he's guilty of poisoning most of the land around the plant and he supervised four previous FAILED TESTS same test - has zero honor to make this statement
I just came here to read the comments.
Not great not terrible.
Do you taste metal?
Haha!
Pricaj na srpskom 😂
Ra Lo Tako je!
Miloš Pjanović this series really filled with solid memes
"that rather ill-fated day" ... understatement of the century.
Not a great day but it wasn't terrible.
It's a bad translation, in russian these words are pretty dramatic.
Ill-fated is what it was.
@@qqq1942, so if it is, there is no understatement.
I've been told that day is equivalent to a chest x-ray
It is easy to jugde him with the benefit of hindsight, but we'll never know if he did realise the risks, but ignored them, or he genuenly believed that everything was fine and never expected what has happened.
He thought he had a fail safe. The AZ5 button if thing got out of hand. But thanks to a design flaw the button made the situation lot worse. He is guilty but not completely
@NEZ You quoting the movie or some tangible evidence? Personally, I applaud the movie for being so good but I don't trust it..
@@howdoifindaname2743 Its actually pretty concerning to see so many peope citing the mini series as if it were a historical source. People seem to forget that Chernobyl is fiction, BASED on true events.
Dyatlov may have been a harsh man, but he was far from unreasonable.
@NEZ Survivor engineers said that Dyatlov,Fomin were totally misrepresented in the series.They were not such villains in real life as they are in the show.They said the spirit is there,but its not reality.The HBO show is not a documentary.So many documentaries on YT,books etc. and people learn about Chernobyl from an HBO production...Come here and judge.They say absolute horrible things about Ignatenko's wife too.It's really sad...One thing is sure HBO is making huge money from this people 's lives and deaths...
It's a piece of history. Thank you for sharing!
He's dying what we do
Dyatlov: it's nothing i have seen worse.
He had already experienced radiation poisoning before Chernobyl so he probably believed it
Anatoly Dyatlov worked in a shipbuilding plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, installing reactors into submarines. During a nuclear accident there, Dyatlov received a radiation dose of 200 rem, a dose which typically causes mild radiation sickness. His son died of leukemia at the age of 9 in the 1960s.
@Antoine Gauthier he's the Radiation Man
@@MontyGumby That's RAD MAN! New radio active super hero
This interview is not great but not terrible.
Ability to speak coherently but frequently taking breaks to recall facts. Memory; not terrible, not great.
Original
More a sign of lying.
You professional shrink I see
I'd like to see your mental agility at his age.
some questions for you:
*Have you ever seen the humble flat where the commander of the sub Kursk lived?
*Did you know these 'safety' exercises shere delayed by electrical power plant outages, and the rat race for the copying the shuttle project?
*Have you ever closely worked with radio active isotopes? Which ones?
etc. ...
Like most people commenting here I’m referencing his quote in the series. You colossal idiot.
I like how this guy is talking about regretting everything he did at chernobyl and the harrowing description of his suffering the catastrophic accident filled his life with, and the comment section is basically memes.
Humanity, pls fix.
He did not "regret what he did" . Basically he told that reactor shouldn't have been operated with such fallacies that it had back in 1986. Unfortunatelly this fallacies were not known to people who operated reactors untill the tragedy though constructors knew about them perfectly well
@@sergeyb3380 The point of the comment was to point out how people can make jokes about someone relating to something no matter how disastrous or horrible it may be, nothing more than that and it's not for better or for worse, I my self dabble in dark humor even if offensive xD I'm not against it is basically what I'm saying. Though thank you for putting some effort in commenting, people like me normally just type things for the sake of typing them out so ye.
@@laster3753 No problem)
You would not have made that comment if you had taken the time to read it. But you didn't, you got your history from HBO
A lot of people suffered and died, it could have been much worse if certain people didn't sacrifice their lives... but let us all feel bad for this guy who regrets his decisions, the decisions that caused the disaster to happen in the first place, because naturally we feel bad for people. The only type of humor that a person can appreciate watching this humor is dark humor, come on.
I'm a native russian and it's so interesting and bewitching to listen to such history....but those "Dyatlov" character from HBO series is absolutely not like this man .....
He looks like a highly intelligent retired engineer. Probably he was made a scapegoat by the government at that time. Yes, he made mistakes but he claims he followed the instructions and the real cause of the disaster was the faults in the power station design. Poor man, he has paid the price.
you are right
That is exactly what happened.
The design team was too powerful to prosecute, also it would have harmed the reputation of their products, which were considered the pride of the Soviet Union.
4 of the 11 expert witnesses worked for the parent company of the design team, most of the others worked for connected groups who did work for the parent group, and only one was affiliated with the parent group of the operators.
It was a show trial.
The whole event is so tragic, from so many aspects, that it is hard to comprehend. I understand people love to joke in the comment section, but for me personally, I could not either talk or joke during listening to this. My heart was so heavy, almost numb with pain. Dyatlov is not attacking any of his colleagues, not saying any of them did anything wrong. It might be a trick but he seems far from the arrogant monster he was portrayed as. Also, I could believe that those people, including Dyatlov, were all predestined to be guilty the moment the equipment failed. I know how those regimes work. I was a child during this disaster. We were also in the communist regime. The official stance was mild, there were warnings but people still walked outside, ate the food just after some washing... Well, 20 years later they cut out a 19cm tumor out of me. And the area is still not 100% stable, and there are so many of these reactors still working there, unchanged. Only protocol changed. If it happened again, I am not so sure we would have same brave people to give their lives right away, to prevent much greater disaster. And no, it would not be just Europe. We all live on the same planet, it would effect the whole world in time.
I am also sad... I started with Russian language last November and I am abble to understand quite good and cpould it is disgusting, HBO demonised him!
The RBMK reactor has a design flaw, yes. However, its engineers knew the flaw wouldn't be detrimental IF all the tests were conducted correctly. Dyatlov conducted the test incorrectly.
1) He put in too many control rods, causing power to decrease far below the generators' working threshold.
2) Because generators and backup system went offline, there emergency water pumps did not have enough pressure to put water into the reactor in the case of a meltdown.
3) When the control rods were pulled from the reactor, AS PER DYATLOV'S ORDER, too many were pulled and too quickly.
4) Pulling all but one control rod caused a power surge, raising the temperature far beyond its operating limit.
5) What little water there was in the reactor almost immediately turns to steam, but is trapped inside the reactor core.
6) Trapped steam within the core raises pressure, which causes the fuel rods to reach Super Critical Mass.
7) Super Critical Mass leads to the chain reaction, causing the explosion and immediate release of lethal doses of radiation, killing the personnel who were working closest to the reactor.
The RBMK reactor's generators were never supposed to reach below a certain threshold. But if tests were conducted correctly, they wouldn't get near that threshold. This accident was caused by two major factors. A) Poor design, and B) Poor decision making.
@@bigtime9597 The thing is, he didn't know the reactors were flawed as this knowledge was kept a secret from everybody. He didn't know that what he did will cause an explosion. They were given information or better say propaganda, that RBMK reactors are virtually safest thing in the world and indestructible. He did things wrong, but because he taught that he can't do damage to the reractor.
@@bigtime9597 But again he, during the whole time, was thinking that if something goes wrong, he can abort. He didn't know that the AZ-5 button that is supposed to abort everything, will in fact cause an explosion. If he knew that AZ-5 will blow up the reactor, he would never put the reactor in that state.
@@DuneDemon8 Yeah the guy was a head nuclear technician with almost 30 years experience he wasn't stupid even if he was a brute.
HBO turning keyboard warriors into credible historians and nuclear physicists.
TH-cam turning arrogant know-it-alls into trolls and contrarians who are out to tar everybody with the same brush.
Would Hollywood lie?
Sounding kinda anti-Semitic there buddy.
I thought I might chime in-
If anyone has questions about Russian, Japanese, American nuclear power systems (et al) I’ll be happy to help. I’m not a nuclear physicist but I did stay in a holiday inn express last night.
Hbo did a shameful job at history but a good job at drama.
I thought that was TH-cam?
Dyatlov was not even the one who infamously insisted that the reactor was still there when it had exploded; that was Akimov. Dyatlov risked his life searching for the pump operator that was killed and did several things which prevented the accident becoming worse. He was incompetent, but he was not the villain and he wasn't just sat in the control room ordering people to die
Akimov was known for being in denial over the exploded reactor, he replayed false information for the next couple of hours. Dyatlov even tried, multiple times, to order Akimov and Toptunov to go home and save themselves. this was when they were still in the control room and had not received a fatal dose of radiation. Akimov and Toptunov later chose to put water in the core, believing that it was still intact, which was what gave them their fatal doseage of 15 Sv.
Wait then why Craig Mazin painted him as the bad guy?
@@iloveindomienoodle Because a single bad guy works better for drama, right? It creates lots of tension to have everyone else know it is dangerous but have to follow his insane orders anyway. Every character in Chernobyl represents lots of people; Khomyuk is literally an invention to represent many scientists. Boris too, even though he was a real guy; He represents 'the Soviet Bureaucracy' at first. Dyatlov became the single person that represents 'arrogance' in the drama, so all the bad, arrogant decisions made by others were put onto him.
@@rosePetrichor but why him? They can pick Akimov as the bad guy because IRL it's him. But why Dyatlov?
@@iloveindomienoodle Because it wasn't just Akimov either. It wasn't 'just' anyone. Dyatlov made very bad decisions too. Dyatlov makes obvious sense as the villain because he was in charge of the room, and he was known to be a very unpleasant fellow to work with. Ironically, they made the exact same move as the Soviets did in making him the bad guy because he was the easiest one to blame everything on.
Feel for Toptunov...he was just a 25 yr old kid😢
The real Leonid Toptunov worked at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant since March 31, 1983 (!). He was born on August 16, 1960, and after graduating from university at the age of 22, he began working at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. In the USSR there was a distribution system after universities, when you didn't find a job yourself, the university found you a job.
He was my favourite character at the series. And I also like the real life LT. Brave and warm-hearted young man.
He and Akimov were my fav. I hope they rest in peace.
Piyush Sharma He was the same age I am now. RIP Comrade Toptunov.
"kid". Are you serious? Is this really how current generation views maturity?
When this happened, 25 year olds could already have had almost 10 years of experience in their industry, and be In supervisory positions, commanding others.
In the 80s and 90s, 25 was very much not "a kid."
As it always was.
The current situation of perpetual childhood is abnormal and at odds with the previous 10,000 years of human history.
Don't insult these competent and experienced men by implying that they should have been at home playing video games and reading comic books until 30.
50,000 people used to live there... now it's a tourist attraction
-_-
Captain MacMillan
It is not a tourist attraction but a memory duty. Will you blame people visiting WW museums?
@@fabiendevil it is tourist attraction right now. I was in Chernobyl before new shelter, before TV-series and after it. I see difference. Before TV-series: we were only people in Pripiat at the moment. You could actually feel the silence of dead city. Only noise was my dosimeter. Now? Commercial...
@@modabska4789 Yes and is not only because of serie HBO many youtuber with millions sucriber make this place to be a commercial with their influence and Ukranian poor gourv want to make money on tourism with Chernobyl area so ...
@@modabska4789I am American and have wanted to visit it as a memorial and pay respects. I would be majorly angry if others there were acting as stupid tourists
Thanks for making subs so English speaking auditory of Chernobyl could watch it)
Where does the parentheses start
@@xarachne8473 Ha! It's a smiley though. :) Russian speakers tend to not use the colon.
Сразу по скобочки в конце видно что русская :)
@@luffy5612 Ah, thank you for the explanation. :)
@@IamaDanish yep, Rus smiles are like ) ))) )))))))))))))))))))))
Dude knew more about nuclear power than all people in the comments together. That's the most important point about the comment section.
I think even Dyatlov was also a victim of the apparatchik. It's heartbreaking to watch this man imagining what he went through. I guess sometimes circumstances let us do things which is questionable but also beyond our control.
Yes. He is a victim of URSS. He is a victim of communism. He, Legasov and Boris and another 100 million people in the whole world are just victims of Marx. That is why I hate left, communism, socialism, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Hitler, Mussolini, Antonio Gramsi, ...
Absolutely what happened to this guy is like someone driving really fast in a car and expecting there to be brakes but then when he pressed on the breaks the car exploded sure he shouldn't have been doing what he was doing but it not like what was doing was beyond the ken of what the reactor should have been able to handle.
He knew what he was doing and chose to not follow the safety rules. He was in charge that night. His fault.
Despite the design flaw in the reactor it never would have been put at risk if he performed the test as detailed.
@@darbyohara He’s basically saying that he didn’t break any rules that were known to him at the time. Others knew and they kept the RBMK design flaws from the operators to avoid embarrassing the state.
@darbyohara I mean kind of but also not really. The it definitely wouldn't have happened under "normal" conditions like he was saying it could have in the interview but he was expecting the reaction to abort when the rods were inserted. Like I said, sure he shouldn't have been rushing the heating process. But also a car shouldn't explode when you step on the breaks. Had he known he wouldn't have done that, obviously. All his knowledge and education told him input x and y will happen but when x got inputted z happened and that was completely unpredictable because the image obsessed soviets hid design flaws from even their own nuclear engineers. Really it's closer to a test pilot being blamed for an aircraft crashing. Yes he was at the controls, yes he did an unusual procedure but also he can't really be blamed for the plane not flying straight. Had the soviets built the reactor right what he did probably wouldn't have even warranted a reprimand and the reactor wouldn't have exploded.
I liked HBO Chernobyl series... it´s great, but because i am "fan" of nuclear energy i was interested in Chernobyl disaster many years (only as a hobby, i am not an expert and i have no proper technical education) so i can easily see "flaws" in series same as i can see how is "Chernobyl series" interpreted (bad USSR nuclear politics, bad engineering of Chernobyl Power Plant, and "very bad" Dyatlov and RBMK´s design). Of course in many ways it´s a right but. First of all - HBO series didnt mentioned several important things.
1) First attempt to make such test as was turbine test was proposed in Leningrad Power Plant and director of Leningrad PP refused to do that and openly said that this test is dangerous. (In Leningrad they had experience with accidental rupture in RMBKˇs reactor in 1975 - mentioned in series and once by Dyatlov here).
2) Most known accident wasnt in Leningrad but in Ignalina power plant when accidental heat and energy output risen in december 1983. This accident was known and Ignalinian operators informed rest of nuclear power plants in Soviet Union (Smolensk, Kursk, Leningrad, Chernobyl) where RMBK´s were installed. It was ignored. (It wasnt kept in secrecy, but it was just ignored!)
3) IAAE and other (from West and also (of course) from East) before Chernobyl Disaster thougt that RBMK´s design is good. It was powerfull, cheap and easily operated nuclear reactor. But... after Chernobyl disaster, everything was different.
4) With 90% probability contaiment structure coudnt deal with Chernobyl-like disaster. HBO series implies that contaiment could prevent radiation leak. Nope... the explosion was too powerfull.
5) Valery Legasov wasnt hero who commited suicide because "they" destroyed him. First preparation for upgrading RBMK´s reactors began in 1987 and were tested in Ignalina, Legasov died in 1988. His death fastened general upgrade (at least) but not started it. Legasov commited suicide because (probable - i dont know with 100% accuracy of course not) effect of radiation sickness (he was after at least two surgeries linked to radiation sickness).
6) Scherbina wasnt fatally ill from Chernobyl, he died in 1992 when was counter-candidate to Boris Yeltsin in presidental elections (i guess it was heart attack).
7) RBMK´s reactors are not only one kind of reactor with positive void coefficient (problem is they had (before upgrade) very strong positive response, highest coefficient). For example Canadian CANDU has also positive coefficient. CANDU also uses natural uranium (as moderator is serving heavy water, not graphite).
8) Soviet Union decided for RBMK´s for several reason (include the low price) but most important reason was power output. It was 1000 MWe per reactor in Chernobyl, 1500 MWe per reactor in Ignalina and furthemore 2400 MWe a 4800 MWe were designed on paper. And that was in same time when most powerfull Pressurized Water Reactor of soviet design (VVER-440) hat power output only 470 MWe. So if somebody mentioned "soviet design" and as example shows "bad RBMK´s" i must on other side say, that in USSR were also designed probably best and safest reactors of VVER design (PWR type or just "water cooled-water moderated pressurized reactors"). In my country 6 of VVER´s are in operating 4 of them since 1987 (nuclear power plant Dukovany, probably safest nuclear power plant in Europe).
9) Graphite tips on control rods were long 4,5 metres! So imagine how stupid were Toptunov and Akimov when they pulled them off completely! Boron was already out of reactor core and they still pulled them off more and more. Absolutely unlogic... exactly stupid! Of course AZ-5 (or system SCRAM/SKALA) coudnt saved situation. And last one...
10) In RBMK´s reactors was also another emergency system (emergency cooling system which can send additional water to the reactor). It wasnt mentioned, but for information, that system was disconnected during previous day to allow the turbine test. (its just detail... but IF that system was working, they could send to the overheated reactor more water instead of using the AZ-5 which "detonated" reactor, there is theory from Dimitri Medvedev (not that Medvedev - ex-president of Russia) which served as a deputy chief engineer of Chernobyl Unit-1.
Sorry for lenght of this ... and sorry for my english, i am not native speaker or daily user. I just want to say that HBO series was very good, but had some "weak points" and offered traditional view on soviet "obsolete" technologies. In Chernobyl it was - at first place - human error maybe bordering with crime (not soviet regime, not communist lies and other things) what killed people. They broke all rules. And that is important. Other things are also remarkable, but that what they did is paramount of everything.
Excellent put!
I'd like to add one thing: after the catastrophe az5 button was replaced with a key, switching that key downs the rods for 40 seconds and operator can't cancel this command. I find this improvement very interesting, because before operator had to hold the button and lowering the rods was rather mechanical process and most likely Toptunov's intentions were not to shut down the reactor completely but just to slow the reaction by lowering the rods just a little bit. This theory explains why graphite rod tips had such devastating impact.
5) Why would he suicide nearly at the anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster then? What you're saying doesn't add up and might be propaganda from Russia.
6) Also, it's 1990 not 1992, 2 years do make a difference.
Other than that solid insight, Thank you.
I have to correct you, Scherbyna died in 1990 of unknown causes. He died in Moscow.
I still cant get why does graphite intensifies the reaction since it does the same thing as boron- absorbing neutrons
Just imagine using your pc at work, a program crashes, you go to restart the computer, and boom it blows up in your face!
Great depiction of what happened that night (based on what they knew)
This deserves to be uploaded with audio English translation by someone fluent in both Russian and English, with sufficient proficiency to correctly translate idioms and technical terms.
It is a very important historical document and Dyatlov deserves his side to be available to be heard in the same language as the HBO series that portrayed him as an ignorant and incompetent, egomaniacal monster.
_"My only task is to achieve the publication of the truth about the causes of the disaster, to save from shame at least the memory of my fallen comrades. I have no other personal plans and cannot be. I received 550 rem during the accident, and about 100 rem - during the previous work. The skin is burned by radiation. Now I am a disabled person of the second group. Life is running out. Therefore, day and night I think only about one thing, I want only one thing - the truth, and nothing but the truth."_ *Anatoly Stepanovich Dyatlov*
Forest Denizen you’re delusional.
That is, assuming of course, he wasn't lying.
LCwavesAtYa is the day we go home to the house for the night and then we will go to dinner
Completely agree with you, I feel sorry for him
What you’re saying is almost entirely correct, however I would like to highlight that I’ve heard comments that Dyatlov had quite a large ego, and would not have seen the test not done on schedule.
A lot of stupid comments without watching the video
Welcome to the internet. Land of the idiots
Not great, not terrible. Equivalent of a chest X-ray
Idiots repeating quotes from that tv show. Disrespectful assholes making fun from a disaster. Thanks to that show this man is considered as evil as Hitler, people mock him by putting words he never said into his mouth. Show was interesting as a piece of drama, now do some research and pay some respect to those who died there and afterwards. Chernobyl is not a cool tourist attraction, Stalker has noting to do with it. It was a horrible disaster and still is. Listen to what he is saying, it is hard for me to blame him for what happened. Imagine going to work do your job without knowing the equipment your employer provided is faulty and after something goes wrong everybody blames you. He calls his dead colleagues "rebyata" that means kids or boys in english. That does not fit to the monster of a man he was portrayed in the show.
@Ninad Kulkarni Sounds like he needs to let off a little steam!
@@ThreeFontStreet well, actually no. I don't think it enrages him, but proly he fails to understanding this. I mean of course you can make fun of this tv show, the tragedy that occured thousands of lives, but I'm not sure that you should wait for the person who lives on post-Soviet space to laugh with you on this. Everything that happened is a tragedy. I'm not sure that you make fun of WW2(which doesn't mean you can't do it).
Thank you for providing the English subs for this interview, most inciteful.
Не точный перевод.Автор плохо знает английский
DECADENCE жжош. Вот чел, который одну фразу по-английски написать не может, будет судить переводчика-любителя :-)
@@watchingu4568 приведите, пожалуйста, пример
@@watchingu4568 радуйся, что они вообще есть.Я тоже косяки заметил, но при таком титаническом труде грех плеваться
@@VasilisaLukashevich Просто разговор еще более-менее понять можно, но как только дело касается технической части, просто рукалицо.
It's been mentioned before in the comments, but the thing that bothers me the most about the HBO series is their portrayal of Dyatlov as being the sole villain and the cause of the disaster. Of course, I wasn't there to see the events unfold in the control room, but from the interview, Dyatlov seems to be a man who was merely doing his job and was trying to understand what just happened when the reactor exploded the same as everyone else there was doing. I'm not saying he is not to blame at all for the incident, but he surely was not the sole cause or should bear all the blame for what happened.
the show has a lot of things rushed and dramatized. its at best infotainment if not entertainment. for instance the harsh quick reactions to the radiation, vomiting, severe burns...its all presented as in "10 minutes after big bang happened". YES, you would react to it like this. but over the course of hours or days, not this immediate. but it was dramatized informed storytelling about the catastrophe of chernobyl, not a specific documentary of one firefighters realistic radiation sickness.
every entertaining story needs its villain and its hero. they tended to make dyatlov to be the villain and legasov, who actually factually omitted facts and "lied", the tragic hero. which he also very likely was not, even if he eventually took his own life over all of this.
But it was his decision to raise power after the reactor stalled. He knew that was against the rules.
I don't think you understood the series. The narration literally says Dyatlov was a criminal but the true culprit was not him
Then you haven't seen the show from beginning to end? In the last part Legasov explains the AZ-5 button flaw in court and also tells that people in the control room didn't know that because it was kept from them.
Thank u so much that u translated this interview!!! Really great job !!!
thanks TH-cam user @Alexey for the translation!
@@VasilisaLukashevich you're hotter than than the chernobyl core at 01:23:45 am.
22:00 the part you want to hear
thanky
Cheers
You're deluded.
Emergency shielding was the problem? Really? According to Illinois Energy Prof Xenon was the problem: th-cam.com/video/RZQwL-2WTgA/w-d-xo.html
Thank you
i wonder what really happend in that control room on 26th april 1986.
You know he wrote a book explaining exactly what transpired, right?
_Chernobyl: how it happened_
The translation was done automatically and is difficult to read. Better if you know Russian and read the original. But here it is.
b-ok.cc/book/5238611/18e674
@@forestdenizen6497 to be fair, we would likely only know the full truth, if we could personly withness the events.
I am not saying that Dyatlov ommited events in his accounts, but it is not impossible, that he, or others, who discribed the events of this night simply missed something, due to their attention being focused on somewhere else.
Myuutsuu85 this is bot wrong at all, infact every person who has ever live in a socialist state like the USSR vowed to never make their country look weak, the matter is, we dont and will never know what exactly happened because even though he is explaining it through his eyes, how much can we trust the eyes of a communist? How can we trust theeyes of a man who defended a country that tried to hide a global nuclear emergency from the world that couldve wiped out aprox 1.5 bilion people just for the countries “pride”, the answer? You cant trust anything this lying shitbag says, the only quote i truly beleive from the movie to be true is when legasov says “because of our secrets and our lies, they are practically what define us, we lie and lie because we dont want to recognize the truth that is already there.” Only he recognized what they had done and i dont and will never trust a communist country. Just think about it this is going on right now with covid-19 china LIED about the disease saying, its not a threat to the us, now the us has moreover cases than any other country.
lord poo You’re delusional and I’m not even joking.
Anime intensifies He's just American.
He lost his son to Leukaemia ,he received an excessive dose of radiation poisoning working on submarines and then he was in charge of Chernobyl reactor No 4 .The man was not afraid of the atom .
But he wasn't reckless.
The show definitely made him look more like a villain than he really was.
The main villains are those who kept the information secret about the AZ5 safety button,
which was known to have a major flaw for over 10 years before the accident.
Don't forget he ignored important warnings as head Operator! and
threatened other operators, if they would not listen to he's
reckless commands.
@@RombautsRacing66 Yeah believe hbo bs more, why do your own research right?
@@SASHqua mate if you search it up you find it not hbo related get your facts together boy
@@SASHqua Yeah why care about a series which took source from survivors, let's believe an old man who is about to die and decided to say his version of the story.
@@zzureee And tell me which of the survivors would possibly know anything about what happened at control room? Arrogant pricks don't become nuclear physicists, they don't have enough brains for that. Even while watching the HBO series, Dyatlov scenes felt so unrealistic, because basic common sense just feels he should be way smarter than he is showed there, and I didn't even know this guy existed before! Series even clearly showed, that the design flaw was known and kept in secret, so you are stuck in paradox, mate!
Is it just me or does Dyatlov looks like old Biff Tannen from Back to the Future Part II?
First thing that came to my mind when i saw him 🤣
Manure! I hate manure!
LMAo
Absolutely spot on! Maybe Biff was made to look like Dyatlov....???
What are you looking at, _butthead?_
a broken human being. broken by the accident, by the system and judged without knowing the truth. everyone makes mistakes but fortunately not everyone works in a nuclear power plant. RIP:-(((
100%, hope he's not judged entirely by the show.
very smart man at the least, the show didn’t portray that correctly
Muhammad Amir Shehzad , ok he did what he had to and shot down the reactor then explosion. İf the show telling the truths he had to warn city commity or governer to evacuate the city immediately, in real people continued to live in the city for more 30 hours !
bros, the test was meant to start between 700-1000 megawatts but Dyatlov yelled at his workers to start from 200. there was an error and the reactor needed to be shut down but Dyatlov yelled to continue the test
HBO needed a scapegoat…they chose to demonise this man. Only bad thing about the show
This man looks absolutely crushed. He's been through more than any of us ever will.
he caused it, he is like that not because of physical pain of radiation, he's like that because he killed more than 4 thousand people
@@David-qe2gs Like I said, he's been through more than any of us ever will. Imagine trying to live with knowing you did that.
@@David-qe2gs he didn't cause it-he just acted inappropriately.The actaul cause is down to lots of things
He is absolutely crushed. He recieved heavy doses of radiation 2 times, first when he was installing a nuclear reactor in a submarine and then in chernobyl. Unbelievable he survived both incidents.
Sounds like you are sympathetic to someone who was directly responsible for the worst nuclear disaster the earth has seen, which killed unknown thousands of people.... He doesn't deserve sympathy.
It seems to me HBO's Chernobyl didn't do justice to him.
Saw videos of people who were working with him (here on TH-cam) saying he wasn't that incompetent and bullying his subordinates as it was presented.
Can you link those videos?
@@markusw7833 Thank if you could give us the links
You're right. He wasn't a villain
@@AndreyDrovosek The fact that he was bullying employees is true and confirmed by many people. He wanted to deliver results to those of higher rank, no matter the cost. Sadly, whole soviet union worked like that.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 I so tired of seeing people who judge another people or entire system living on the other side of the planet without checking fucking facts.
He didn't bullied anyone. If you actually read accounts of people who knew him, you wouldn't find any mention of "bullying".
Turn it to 1.25 speed
He turns into a living creature again 😂
More like crank it up to x2.0 speed
Neither slow, nor fast
Turn it to 3.6 roentgen
Not great
not terrible...
I bet there wasn’t a day where he didn’t think about what happened and wished he had done something different. What a torment that must be.
Everyone suddenly became a nuclear engineer after watching series and started judging and entitling people... Cool Down! You weren't there. You don't know how everything actually happened. HBO created an amazing series but it's not a criminal investigation documentary. It's just a drama movie based on real facts.
We don't know everything that happened, but we don't need to know that. We know enough based on the records from the SKALA computer and from independent witness testimony to conclude that while RBMK was a faulty design, Dyatlov has contributed to the disaster a lot. Yes, the emergency shutdown should not cause a power surge - but it only did that when the rods are fully withdrawn from the core ...and it still wouldn't have been dangerous had the reactor not been brought to the edge of disaster by Dyatlov.
When he says that the experiment had 'nothing to do' with the disaster, he is in direct contradiction with virtually every single nuclear scientist in the world.
@@Liquiddnbftw
1. only the RBMK reactors were unsafe, VVERs are Russian and they are just as good as any other reactor type.
2. USSR might be no more, but RBMKs are still running.
3. the design flaws of the RBMK were definitely a major factor in the disaster, but this is no excuse for Dyatlov. He violated every rule there was about running the reactor and the test and even the flawed control rod design would not lead to an explosion had he not insisted on increasing the power of a reactor poisoned with xenone, which could be achieved only by pulling out almost all of the boron rods out. Xenon poisoning was not a secret, it was an issue he knew about and which he ignored
they killed tens of thousands of people and noone was held responsible, sickening, whatever the facts were, they caused a catastrophy, end of story
@@leeroa1 Can you personally prove him guilty?! I'm guessing you can not. Dyatlov was sentenced to 10 years of prison and died either in prison or shortly after.
@@eugeneasmakov2251 Can you personally prove him innocent? I'm guessing you can not. But i love how you asked if he can prove him guilty and then pointed out that he was in prison, which means that he was proven guilty. You are a special kind of dumb.
I feel quite bad for the memory of Dyatlov, sure he was a bit of a dick while in work, but he was an unflinching professional.
The TV series, as amazing as it was, made him out to be a villain type of character, but I guess TV series need a sense of good guys and bad guys.
Same feeling after watch the serie, Paul Ritter is a good actor but I had my doubts on his personality accurancy on this role. He is very close to the tyrant actitude.
Oddly hypocritical given the show directly criticizes oversimplification of the truth.
To be fair are conflicting opinions on what Dyatlov was like as a, person. He looks frail and vulnerable here, but that excuse his actions. I wouldn't say he was villain, becuase the world doesn't work that. He was a flawed human who was arrogant and mistakes. He was product of his time and his country's culture
Yes, because film wasn't so perfect. In my opinion, film tried to show all stupid stereotypes about USSR, looks like it was miserable country with miserable people in goverment. It's terrible. Mr. Legasov is tipical "good man", Dyatlov is" bad man", and all USSR is a "Mordor" with stupid "orcs", who drink vodka 24/7. But, maybe, not everyone knows, that in 80-s alcohol WAS FORBIDDEN. And, of course, alcohol was forbidden in time of disaster. Where you can see, that drunk people work? It's SO stupid... And it is a fucking lie in series of HBO.
@Thibault Derese no, the control rods did
You’re procrastinating
Ofcourse he is
I was in the toilet
Call me when this old woman is done talking
Underrated. Out of all the referencing comments, thats the best line to throw at an old man.
@@Jupiter.141 Yes, Comrade Dyatlov
After watching this interview I can't feel nothing less than empathy towards this man. This man wasn't supossed to be potraited as a villian as HBO potraited him..
I can only agree. He was put in a shitty situation due to information not being circulated about the dangers of that type of reactor, like he mentioned somewhere around two thirds of the way trough the video. 10 years before the accident someone knew about the possibility, but the information wasn't passed on. It was also clear from the way his eyebrows moved that he really tried to protect the people around him, both inside and outside the power plant.
He did his best with the information he had, and got charged and convicted for it in return. That is the least of it, though. The things he saw and the guilt he must have felt for a long time despite trying his best would destroy a lot of people completely. And then there is the radiation sickness on top...
At least it appeared that he was at ease with himself at the time of the interview. He even laughed when he talked about the conviction.
thx for uploading it with a translation. Quite a fascinating watch. What happened to the end? It just abruptly ends (seemingly mid statement). Of course the HBO series is fictionalized, dramatized and only "based" on the true events. But I find it interesting how many little details of what was shown in the series Dyatlov more or less confirms if you read "between" the lines. Of course it differs in some key points, which could paint a bad light on his own role. This is his viewpoint (and to some degree) last chance for "redemption" after all.
In my mind, Dyatlov is no "villain", he is a human, who (from all what we know) made some bad descisions before and after the explosion, but also couldn't know that the failsafe would cause an explosion. So he has an obvious "way out". We all know how our brain tries to rationalize all of our past actions and retroactively brings memories into a coherent story (even if it has to change or surpress some). That happens every day even for little things, but especially if you live through such a traumatic experience.
This interview is "his" side of the story with only one goal: clear his own name from any wrong doing before his death. Of course he thinks of himself as a good person, who never could harm anyone or cause such a horrible accident. Of course in his mind he did everything right, was always responsible (never prioritized his career over safety), has no fault on what happened and also had a friendly working relationship with his colleagues. Seeing his facial expressions during his interview, and the way he frames the events, I see alot of signs, that lead me to strongly question the truth of his recollection. Of course there are also contradictory statements from other people and some conflicting facts. Sadly most of his colleagues from that night are dead at the time of the interview and can't react or respond to that interview with their own insights. And yes, we can't know for sure what happened in that control room before the explosion.
Was he used as the scapegoat for the accident? Of Course... Was he the ignorant, quick-tempered careerist as portraited in the series who made inexcusable bad descisions before and after the explosion? Maybe not to that degree... But I also don't believe his story in the way he tells (and tries to rationalize) it here for the public. I think the truth is as always somewhere in the middle.
@@sincereamir4544 Yeah he didn't know the emergency button could cause an explosion. But that emergency button would have worked just fine in 99% of all possible cirumstances. Just in this one very specific and unusual case it led to the catastrophe caused by bad descisions for the test. They ignored multiple safety measures to rush the test and Dyatlov had an important part in it.
The test should have been done before taking the reactor into regular operation. But they got the reactor online early just to report a great success to their leaders (without doing this test). After that they failed multiple times to succesfully finish the test. And now on the day of this test they get a demand to delay the test and let the reactor run (on half power atm) for a while, because of a shortage in the electricity grid (starting the process of "xenon poisining"). They could have just moved the test to another day. Instead they decided to proceed at that night with the more inexperienced and for that test untrained night shift. This shift had no time to prepare and understand what was needed (hell, lot of workers on reactor 4 didn't even know a test was running at that night). When experiencing the unusual power drop, they removed nearly all control rods (what you should never do and which later was a big factor for the explosion because all these removed tips from these control rods entered the reactor back at the same time). They proceeded with the test even though the reactor still was below the required power level (and because of this the results wouldn't have be useful anyways). The computer log showed exactly all these (and more) bad descisions for that night.
Diatlov had a major part in this. He was responsible for the test and that control room. He had the power to stop any of this, but he just wanted to get that test done.
And then we have all these conflicting reports of what exactly happened after the explosion in the control room. His "I was on the toilet" (which really was his claim at the trial) was quickly contradicted by several other witness statements. Also, If Diatlov quickly realized that something major has gone wrong and the reactor had exploded (as he claims in his interview)... Why don't warn the firefighters about the danger? Why give the in this case pointless instructions to colleagues? Why did the leaders in moscov recieve a "reactor is stable, situation under control" report? And these are just a few examples...
In the end Diatlov was a scapegoat for the russian government. But his irresponsible descicions for rushing the test and ignoring safety measures heavily contributed to the catastrophe. His inability to handle the situation after the explosion maybe can be attributed to the shock and denial (but he still had the responsibility as chief to handle it).
@@Guthwulf11 i agree with this wholeheartedly
You didn't see graphite...
YOU DIDN'T, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE
But I did
rbmk reactora dosnt explode
@@kaoti its impossible
@@nnwtla4916 totally.
@Emir Camcioglu xs
To all of you guys insulting Dyatlov, please realize that Chernobyl mini series is still a tv show. Not everything that was spoken in tv happened in real life. None of us was there so we don't know. People say that he was a good person even though series portray him in bad light. None of those people there wanted this to happen and he just wants to defend himself because as he said, in Soviet union accidents could happen only because of human failure so they had to find someone to blame.
Thank You. I hate how people believe in Villians.
my father in law had to clean up the mess this idiot left behind as a liquidator. he's dead now and it wasn't a nice death, i can tell you that. And all of his buddies who went with him in to that high contaminated radiation zone where they worked their asses of in order to save so many people.He was the last survivor of his group, they are all dead now. Now i am watching this moron who was one of the people who caused all of this and he's blaming everything and everybody except himself.
He should atleast take responsibility as a supervisor. It was not his fault alone but he heavily contributed to the tragedy.
@@PallaviSingh-ot2mf yes a lot of it just seemed to be people did what he said without question and he didn't realise how dangerous the situation was so when he told them to do this or that they ended up walking into a horrible death.
@@lex1945 i understand the frustration, that is horrible to feel like that becuase it affected you in this way, and everybody here's talking about a tv show?
The movie vilified this man. After watching this interview I think I've changed my mind on a few aspects
Literally the first line in the movie is about how the world blamed him because world likes to point a finger. It vilified nuclear energy which pisses me off
Watch the real documentary and you will change your mind, but in all the powers higher up we’re responsible for sure...!!
but he is one of the causes of the expoltion. If only he had followed the rules...
@@necronomicion00 correct apparently he was a very hard man to work for too as his ego was ginormous that’s if you believe the documentary’s...He was probably entirely innocent but was made the scapegoat by the regime at the time..!!
@@Roscoe.P.Coldchain >entirely innocent
He poisoned the core and then removed ALL control rods except 1.
Would that been enough for that alone to blow the core? Probably not. But it's not as "innocent" as you tried to imply
I have seen some clips of the HBO miniseries and was quite surprised at the caricature of Anatoly Dyatlov. Yes, everyone agrees that Dyatlov was tough. A hard man that had scaled up the Soviet hierarchy from almost abject poverty to higher status positions through hard work, a harsh no-nonsense approach to personal relationships and a willingness to take risks but he was no psychopath, unlike the character in the TV mini-series. In this interview I think he is largely telling the truth as he had nothing to hide by then (he died soon after). Chernobyl was the consequence of a criminal system that promised Heaven on Earth and brought Hell instead. In an infantilised, corrupt system like the former USSR, there is no need for singular 'baddies'; its tragedy was that everyone became eventually simultaneously victim and perpetrator.
THAT!! I wish people understood that better. I think that is one thing I dislike about a lot of works coming from USA. They sure do like to know who the good guys and bad guys were.
Dyatlov's character is well-described in an earlier dramatisation of Chernobyl. He is described as "A hard man, operating in a harsh system," and "not an unreasonable man; rather he is the product of the contradictions inherent in the Soviet system."
@@Turtle1631991 American TV is mostly trash and has been for a while.
@Bill Laswell fairness is what HBO lacks, grant fairness to the fair
@@johnathanhughes9881 I watched this interview and Zero Hour's docudrama before checking out the miniseries and the hyperbolic portrayal of Dyatlov became immediately apparent to me for this reason.
Everyone who blames and insults him, must understand that the USSR was a reality most of you could not even understand, yet survive. He had his job to do, orders which came from higher up. The reactor had a flaw. Blame Soviet technology rather than one man.
Agreed. Living in the USSR, even as one of the elite (not politically elite, but elite due to education/training), had to be harsher than most of us these days can even imagine. Of course for those who have never held a salaried job anywhere, much less the USSR, it would be even more difficult to understand. (edited: typos in one word)
I wonder how much Rusia has really changed.
@Jardmang Jardmang Well I guess North Korean defectors go through a similar thing, or worse... a huge change in their lives from black to white.
Only thing I've read about Russia is people are still very poor even though poverty rates have decreased over the last decades. Don't know why I find it such a confusing country when others seem so easy to understand for me, but I guess it's just a matter of knowledge about each specific country.
Are you stupid or belive, that HBO showed a truth? Do you know, that HBO tried to show the USSR like a "Mordor" with stupid "ocrs", who drink vodka anytime? Do you know, that a scene with naked workers was a fucking nonsense? Do you know, that at 80-s alcohol was forbidden and nobody drunk, espacually on the hard work? It must be the real fool to belive, that all in series was true.
It was not just one man but a team and he was at the top of that team. Yet he takes *zero* blame himself - he points to the reactor 100%. There are still many of these in service and yet zero have gone skywards. Sure procedures changed but its not like they did not know what they were trying to do is not *risky*.
Hard to believe he’s 63 in this video. He looks like an 80 year old
Yeah radiation poisoning is one hell of a thing
Spile and chain smoking
radiation smoking and stress. maybe some alcohol too :D
RoxyDzey I mean being sent to a gulag probably didn’t help either
@@roxydzey "Some" Alcohol.
I half expected him to say "No you can't interview about the Chernobyl disaster because IT NEVER HAPPENED!...now lower the control rods"
- So what did you think of Paul Ritters portrayal of you?
- Not great, not terrible.
I'll rate his performance 3.6 out of 15000
Too many stupid meme comments. How about actually discuss the interview?
Naive Dreamer Why comment about other people not discussing the interview, while you yourself, do not discuss the interview?
Ok. What u wanna talk about?
Naive Dreamer What interview? There is no interview.
@@majestikmse8862 he's obviously in shock
The interview is not great, but not terrible
This man is telling the truth. It’s sad to see people making assumptions just based on Chernobyl from HBO. The man in charge that day was Akimov, and he just physically couldn’t insult him nor the others during that shift and neither give orders because he was not in command. Every worker that remained alive or died later always remarked that Dyatlov “Was a man who hated lies and injustice, and was always direct and personal when he wanted to say something..; we were still quite frightened by him at times, because he was strict and old-mannered, but he never went too far.” Everything he reported here is true, and actually corresponds overall to the sequence widely accepted by scientists, and the sequence represented in the TV serie, but he wasn’t a bad man, he was strict, but he had good moral and human values, and he generally got wrongly depicted pretty much everywhere.
EDIT: Sources:
1) Wikipedia; Article on Akimov in russian language: “Akimov was in charge of the night shift working on the 4th reactor block the 26th of April, 1986”
2) To piece together the figure of Dyatlov, you have to read several interviews and remarks about him from his coworkers. They are easily found anywhere on google, but they are mainly in Russian.
And how do you know?
If you say it, it must be true...OH WAIT!!!
Everyone knows that the regime was main to blame. The TV series shows that too.
@@fantommm OH WAIT!!! What? Your presumptions come from a tv show?
@@deimantev8641 No i was inside Chernobyl just like you (OH WAIT) and i know exactly what happened..I also believe someone who says "it wasnt my fault" because you know thats TOTALLY something that a guilty person wouldnt say...MINDBLOWN right "expert"??
if the scientists who designed chernobyl's reactor had to design a car they would make it so when you press the gas it accelerates and when you press the brake it also accelerates but twice as hard
Not a good analogy smart guy. Plenty of RMBK reactors stayed active and were fine for 20-30 years after Chernobyl.
@@noobovsky420 thank you, comrade
@@noobovsky420 Yes. Because they have been retrofitted after the Chernobyl disaster so that emergency shutdown would actually work among other safety improvements!
@@cptpayday2080 yes. I know.
You forgot to add the fact that after you hit the brake and it accelerates twice as hard that your car will then explode .....
I’m expecting him to say... “Hell if I know, I was in the bathroom.”
i dont think that he ever said that :)
There is video of the trial, he said that.
@F. Friedrich Kling Hauss ok guys thanks for information ill check it up. can u guys give me the source of those tapes? i cant find any footage in youtube where he is saying that.
@F. Friedrich Kling Hauss im smeling B.S from you ,did you Saw the trial on HBO ,was that ir ?
I do find it interesting how the tv series itself somewhat mirrors the Soviet authorities own efforts to hang a few individuals out to dry for the sake of optics. My main take from this interview is that whatever else that can be said about the man, he is very human. It's a shame this at least wasn't reflected better in the show.
Dyatlov: **exists**
Graphite: I'm about to end this man's whole career
😂😂
@Devastator That's the thing- it didn't kill him. He died of heart failure in '95, almost 10 years later. The accident DID end his career though.
Dyatlov: You didn't end my career. You DIDN'T! BECAUSE YOU'RE. NOT. THERE!
@@chasm671 Um, comrade? Neither is reactor #4...
It can't because IT'S NOT THERE!!!
This and the legasov tapes should be the unoffical 6th episode of the miniseries
why add good video to 5-series-long piece of lies? NBO at 80% is a lie
@@trololoev NBO?
@@nicku.9470 HBO
The HBO series portrays Dyatlov as an entirely 1-dimensional man, stubbornly refusing to consider even the possibility of something going wrong to come in the way of his egotistical pursuit of promotion, with complete disregard for the well-being of others. The series turned him into a despicable villain, even more than what the Soviet union already did. This interview shows his thought-process that day was far more nuanced than portrayed.
It is a sad irony, how the series manages to point out that the Soviet union needed its villain, a scapegoat. Like he says in this interview, and as is mentioned in the series, there is no equipment failure, only human failure. Yet the series, with ambitions of showing the realities of what happened, seems to want its villain just as bad as the Soviet union. So they turned a nuanced human being into a stereotype, a distorted caricature which looks and sounds nothing like this person that actually lived and breathed.
It is very hypocritical, from a show espousing that chernobyl happened because people lie, to repeat those same lies just to make a more engaging drama.
No. Dyatlov in the Chernobyl HBO miniseries was nothing more nor less than a classic small-minded Soviet bully. I disagree totally that they made him a monstrous one-dimensional villain. The opening monologue by Jared Harris clearly states that the guy was anointed to carry the can publicly because he was nominally in charge and was deeply unpopular. The series’s true genius is its total authenticity. And there’s enormous nuance, especially in the clear stunned shock on Dyatlov’s face, in the final episode’s courtroom, when he discovers the SCRAM button was the trigger not the fail-safe they all assumed would be there.
The Soviet Union churned out such people in their hundreds of thousands, robbing individuals of their humanity. Deny the facts if they go against the agenda. Call naysayers delusional. Bully and cow opposition. Appeal to the good of the state and question others’ loyalty if cornered. Denounce your rival before he denounces you. Lie, cheat and steal because the only crime is getting caught. As this is how anyone, anyone regardless of talent or competence, can rise up the hierarchy... and become in charge of an entire republic (Episode 2) even if all they’ve accomplished previously is being a worker in a shoe factory. A person who spent any time behind the Iron Curtain in the 80s is instantly transported to a period they knew, by the series, populated by characters they totally recognise!
There's not a single moment in any of the 5 episodes that show Dyatlov as being a nuanced character that can be sympathized with in any way. If your only example is his facial expression in the trial I suggest you watch it again. His facial expression barely changes. Throughout the show he is completely 1-dimensional. Give me a single example of nuance in Dyatlov in the show. There are none.
When his coworkers are injured and distressed he's shown to be disgusted, annoyed and angry and doesn't seem to care about them at all, but in this interview it seems he is at least somewhat bothered by their deaths.
In the show he doesn't seem to be interested in finding out what has happened, but here he describes running all over the plant trying to figure out what happened and working as best he could in taking precautions to prevent further disaster.
He is not once shown to stop and think about what he is going to say, no sign of uncertainty, second guessing or considered thought. In this interview he really takes a long time to think before every word he says. And he describes how he immediately realized his mistake and tried to undo it after giving the order that resulted in 2 people dying. In the show he doesn't even care.
The opening monologue in which Harris points out that Dyatlov was a very convenient scapegoat set up a very interesting expectation: that we would be shown a man that was indicated by circumstance as the man to blame, but that reality would turn out to be more nuanced than that.
This is not what was shown, the show depicted him as a villain, and that depiction starts in that very same monologue with the final words "And as for what Dyatlov did do, the man does not deserve prison, the man deserves Death"
Before we even see Dyatlov on screen we are primed to think of him as a despicable man deserving of death, and we are not shown a single thing to contradict this. Every single action he takes and every single word he speaks are those of a small minded, sociopathic, egotistical thug.
I'm not saying he was a good guy. I have no idea what kind of man he was, but it seems to me that Craig Mazin wanted to show Dyatlov as being entirely despicable. A Joffrey type character that doesn't have a single redeeming characteristic.
I enjoyed the show greatly, and especially the details and different perspectives, but when it comes to the character of Dyatlov in particular I don't see how anyone could say it is anything other than 1-dimensional and clearly out to show him as a villain.
This is why I say the show is hypocritical. It commits the sin that it starts off by condemning. The sin of going for the convenient, simple and expedient narrative, instead of looking hard at the truth.
I don't think Craig Mazin took a hard look at the truth of the character of Dyatlov to see who he really was. People who knew him has gone out after the show came out and said that yes he was arrogant, bullying and disliked, but he was nowhere near the monster shown on screen. When I see this interview I see a human with flaws. not the monster shown on screen.
In fact I would say the character writing in general is the weakest part of the show. The actors are great, and the plot is fantastic. The attention to technical detail is admirable. The directing, editing, etc. It truly is a great show, but the main characters are not at all like real people. They are very neat and tidy dramatic types. What Hamsun called "a dramatized mass of wood" when criticizing Ibsen.
DavidKlausen Untrue. Nuance does not imply sympathy. You are totally confusing the two. As I said if you knew life in the Eastern block the character is totally human, totally _real_ because you encountered such people every *single* day, in every layer of interminable bureaucracy! If your complaint is that the dramatic Dyatlov wasn’t the “real” Dyatlov, that charge can be levelled at every character, because the series is not a documentary neither is a historical re-enactment.
Dyatlov *sees* the graphite burning, in walking back to his office, but his Soviet programming refuses to let him see. He has a greater understanding of the Soviet system than the lady professor when telling her no matter what he says he will be found responsible. His entire motivation is to move up the ladder to a cushy office just like the two incompetents have done above him. He grabs for the hydrogen explosion/feed water lifeline. Dyatlov is the only one with the courage/or more accurately nihilist disinterest, to call out the show trial as a show trial! Your perceived lack of nuance is based, I suspect, in not understanding just how breathtakingly authentic the portrayal of characters in Soviet life really are in the series.
@@michaeljames4904
Nuance does not imply sympathy, and I never said that it did. Showing nuance in a character means showing how that characters actions are brought forth through the balancing of many internal forces that drive the character. The most common way of showing nuance in a villain-character specifically is to show the sympathetic characteristics, and how they stand in relation to the more awful ones. It does not mean that you have to make a likeable character. It means showing how character is driven by more than just one thing. If you show that a character is driven by one thing and one thing only, and there are no other internal forces working in that character, it is by definition a ONE-dimensional character. I asked you to give me examples of how the series shows nuance in Dyatlov, and you're only giving me examples of how he just cares about himself and doesn't give a shit about anything else. You're even saying it: "His ENTIRE motivation is to move up the ladder". Yet you call this nuance. Do you not see the contradictions in your own argumentation here? I'll try again: Give me ONE example of how the series shows nuance in the character. You can't because there isn't.
I think you're the one who's confusing nuance with consistency, because the only thing you're saying, over and over, is how the characters actions are consistent with his motivation. A motivation which you yourself admit is entirely one-dimensional.
I don't care if it's an accurate representation of a "type" of person. I'm not arguing wether or not this type of person existed in the soviet union, and I don't see why you think that's relevant. I'm sure there were millions of selfish bastards.
I'm talking about a portrayal of one singular real person that actually lived here on planet earth, because even though it's not a documentary, the show is presenting itself as a version of what really happened and why. The show's main theme is the dichotomy of lies vs the truth. Here is a show about a very important and controversial event in recent history, whose main message that it keeps trying to hammer in is that the truth is very very important, and yet the show's creators feels that it is entirely ok to be untruthful in their depiction of the people involved.
Do you disagree that this is hypocritical?
DavidKlausen
_“Nuance does not imply sympathy, and I never said that it did. ... Do you disagree that this is hypocritical?”_
_8 hours ago_
*“There’s not a single moment in any of the 5 episodes that show Dyatlov as being a nuanced character that can be sympathized with in any way.”*
Er...
For whatever reason it’s clear that you’ve got a bee in your bonnet about Dyatlov in the HBO miniseries being as you keep alleging a “one-dimensional” un-engaging character who’s “lacking” in nuance.
You can keep hammering that point until the, presumably irradiated, cows come home: but doing so simply avoids looking at any of the comment threads on hundreds - possibly now thousands - of videos related to the series, what do you read: what’s undeniable? You’re almost entirely on your own.
Because whose lines do you see quoted more than anyone else’s by absolutely everybody?? By a factor of at least 3.6 to 15,000... Dyatlov’s.
So, you may argue all you like that maybe, he may not have been great... but he certainly wasn’t terrible. 🤣🤣🤣
Let us all appreciate the fact that Anatoly decided to record his testimony. I would want to clear my own name with as close to factual truth as possible too. This is a predictable yet admirable move after an event as impactful as Chernobyl. Quit the memes and blame for a second and consider his position. He's been wrongfully disgraced to the fullest extent of the Soviet political system and made a parody of in countless documentaries. He finally gave himself a chance to say his part in a story that accelerated the demise of one of the most powerful nations in the world. Here we are, all able to witness a valuable piece of history. Fortunately, some among us aren't driven by stupid comedy.
Worth watching if you want better overall understanding.
Negative comments have no merit. Translation is good. Content is good.
What if he is lying or being dishonest about certain events? Negative comments can bring misinformation to light so hopefully others do further research and are not immediately duped by this guy. Dishonest content is not good. Truth is good. To quote the final line of the HBO Chernobyl series, "What is the cost of lies?"
@@jacobdavis3876 dude are you stupid ,he is clearly not lying so go f yourself and go watch some more hollywood drama in witch you will believe 100% because obviously you are a blind sheep.
PS i liked the movie too but this guy is not lying 100
I can see an older broken man, that lived with the consequences of his decisions all his life. There is a pain on his face, his eyes are just dead he just looks drained.Those memories were haunting him till the end of his life. I don't say that he is innocent. He did make wrong decisions and he had to live with the consequences of it. Its still extremely sad.
Especially at 34:06
He got what he deserved
It wasn't his fault... you dint hear this video... the experiment they were doing was related to safety measures and maintenance which happens in every reactor.. it has been done with reactor 2 and 3 in 1985 the previous yr... n even if at all things go out of control or doesn't seem proper every reactor has a shut down button n in soviet it was AZ5 whose wrk is supposed to shut down reactor effortlessly. But there was the dysfunction in AZ5 mechanism as well as the design of the reactor which was hidden from the operators. If operators knew abt it they would never have gone ahead with the experiment.
@@shubhisharma4261 you are wrong. The authorities knew about those types of reactor and they knew it malfunctoned ( reactor build and reactivity of headings, lack of strong confingment building). He wasn't aware of those things maybe but he knew that after he switched it off completely, xenon- reactor poison appears so he should know not to switch it on immediately only after few days. So yes, it was his mistake and authoritie's health and safety negligence.
@@ultron374 anyone got sources or are you all just talking out your ass after watching a fucking HBO documentary as if THAT was completely factual.
God bless the x1.5 speed feature
1.75 here.
he was gravely ill, he didn't last a year after this video was recorded
3.6 Rontgen here😂
@@RyanGosling5176 this isnt even funny... Why are people getting fun of this? HBO made a nice serial, but Chernobyl is something, that killed lots of people, so I dont see a reason to laugh
@@dashkinoo6740 its because replicas of this people like diatlov,but also i have a big respect for all who died in this accident and saved the Europe from a bigger disaster
Watching the show, i always knew Dyatlov was somewhat innocent. This simply couldn't have been how it was portrayed. This is an amazing piece of history, thank you.
Nah he wasnt im pretty sure he was told a long time ago ( u know when the soviet union existed) what to say and what to keep as a sectret when asked. this is how it works, its kinda works the same nowdays in post soviet countries
(Im from hungary this is how i know)
how you know it???? maybe he didn't tells the truth here.....maybe it embellishes the story.....but piece of history for sure
The character of him in the chernobyl series did so much unjustice to him. In the series.. He has denied everything about the explosion of the core.. No graphites.. Etc.. But here he says the walls were damaged.. He was vomiting already because of reactor.. He is saying that he knew it was a catastrophe.. He even called for the safety of the injured.. But in series it has been shown like..." Take him out of here he is delusional.".. They really showed him in very negative way..
You do realize that this is HIS version of facts, right? and this is the guy who said: "I will not say that I was wrong, but I'll not say I was right". I just can't admit his share of fault for the disaster.
Exactly my feeling. He's been made a scapegoat again by the HBO series, but what, you need a noir character and right from the beginning... Dyatlov survived, was a top dog in the control room, so come on. His story seems more convincing to me now than the HBO story even though he just talks with some difficulty. Even the IAEA was first fooled by the Soviets (Lugashov!), but then they issued a second report which shifted the blame much more onto the reactor designers. There are some texts by Dyatlov on the web, he seems to have fought for the truth until he was out.
This comment contradicts your testimony in Vienna.
Actually in the series they never said he didn't we see him tell to go search for injured. He just definetly didn't believe the reactor exploded and he didn't even check himself... And he could! It was really not that hard.
You are comparing a man after his sentence and at the end of his life to the man who had just (mostly) caused the Chernobyl disaster and was simultaneously in denial of what he didn't yet understand and what he did but couldn't admit to. We have the luxury of looking back at this event knowing its massive significance -- as did the older Dyatlov in this interview. The people in the middle of the event, like the 1986 Dyatlov, didn't. It's likely his perception of events & his own responsibility of it all changed after the dust settled and the full story broke globally.
These subtitles have been exposed to very high levels of radiation.
This should get some things about my HBO character assasination straight.
Anatoly Stepanovich Dyatlov it’s not
@@louisbeerreviews8964 Sure. For example how I wasnt some psychopath or straight out denied a major accident happened.
Let me tell you something, as Deputy Chief Engineer, I have the power to change the parameters of the test. So I will use that power. The test goes on. From your Seconds to Disaster counterpart.
@Bill Laswell I thouroughly research on the subject since years. Read again, you may see that you have mistaken my comment.
All the best.
@@anatolystepanovichdyatlov1747 they vilinized your character but in reality you were not great, not terrible either
The series portraits him in a bad light but I'm inclined to agree with Anatoly Dyatlov and also the larger message of the series: The root cause was that the Soviet leadership made decisions to use an inherently unsafe design and compounded this mistake by keeping information secret that was essential for the safe operation of the block.
"24 of my questions were declined by the judge,
Whether The reactor RBMK was in accordance with the design regulations in 1986"
Take it w a grain of salt. Dyatlov has done everything he can to try to pass the blame. Yes the reactor had an inherent flaw however it only became a problem when pushed to the edge of disaster already. Which Dyatlov did.
@@jakobwithak3805 He was in the toilet 😠!
He insisted they ran at 200 instead of the 700, that the test specified. In bringing the power down Toptunov made a mistake. The mistake would've never have been made if Dyatlov had stuck to the numbers suggested.
RBMK reactors was updated with 24 fast acting scram rods after the disaster. :)
@@jakobwithak3805 There were actually many design flaws, poor quality work, inferior building materials and a lack of safety culture. It does not come down to the actions of one person. Much like the meltdown in Japan this accident occurred due to neglect in all levels of management, design, procedure and training. Dyatlov made mistakes, and deserves some blame, but there were systems in place that would have allowed the reactor to recover but they failed too.
Dyatlov was never a moron, HBO portrayed him as the villain, the reactors design was severely flawed even if he was rude to his staff he didnt know of the reactor flaw of the tip effect that caused the power to surge after AZ 5 was pushed, had he known he wouldnt have ordered for the power to raised, he thought it was fail safe, he even helped the people in trouble and searched for Khodemchuk HBO is extremely inaccurate. However what lead him in prison was ignoring advise on how to do the test the KGB and the public blamed the men in charge because they had no idea what really caused it and denied what caused it, may everyone that suffered in the Chernobyl Disaster and assisted in the disaster, rest in peace you are heros
Can help but feel bad for this man, may he rest in peace.