Winchester Model 94 , Pre-64 and Post-64 , Up close
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- We love lever guns, as do most shooters, since they have a novel "cowboy" feel and their size and weight is less intimidating. The act of cycling through 5 or 6 rounds with the lever is a lot of fun. The most famous lever gun ever made is the Winchester Model 1894 (Model 94). Although there are a lot of moving components inside this rifle, it is unbelievably reliable, and parts are readily available and cheap.
We prefer the open sights, although most don't. Making shots out past 150 yards with the "buckhorn" rear leaf sight is a fun challenge, and this gun is so light and compact, range days make it a real gem. The barrel life of a 94 is very good, due to the moderate pressures of the 30-30 cartridge.
The year of manufacturing is the most contentious issue when it comes to the Model 94. There is a majority of folks out there that prefer the production that occurred before 1964, when Winchester made cost saving changes to the design. We have noticed that the older ones take a blue better, but functionally they have been no better from our experience.
If you can find a rifle with a good working action, and a bright bore, you will enjoy your purchase regardless of the year. In recent years, they have been made under license in Japan. These new rifles are very well made, and their price is high.
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I got a 1961 model 94. was my grandfathers wedding gift from my grandmother
My ‘94 made in 1923, cal. 38-55, and in excellent condition. Great rifle.
I have the 30-30 from 1966. I've owned it for over 40 years.
I have a 62
I have a 1974 and in negotiations for a 1954, they are such fun reliable rifles i can't believe that everybody doesn't own one.
I still love the looks and feel of the '94.
I got three and I may have at least one in my casket
Love my 1958 model 94 30-30 given to me by my Father.
I just inherited a 1958 model myself from my father in law. I never knew he had it. It sat in the back of his closet since 1972. It's very near dead mint, no marks of any kind. Can't wait to shoot it.
My Mod 94 was handed down to me by my dad he bought it right after he got home from the Korean War. He had a gunsmith mount a Redfield peep sight on it so that's what I grew up shooting, I'm better with a peep sight than I am with a scope.
I purchased my first Winchester 94 pre 64 couple years back. Chambered in 32 special. Lovely rifle
Where do u buy 32 special ammo? Cant find it anywhere always out of stock.
@@cjp4073 online forums can have it shipped to your house in a few days, other then that talk to your local gun store and see if they cant get some.
Wouldn't know today but I have one box I bought who knows 20 years ago 15 years ago and since I don't shoot the gun I bet that box last forever 😂@@cjp4073
Father handed down a 1925 model 94 I love this rifle.
My dad bought one in the late 50's after moving to Winnipeg from Texas. His first year or so, he actually used his Reminton 11-47 Shotgun fitted with a Cutts Compensator and Lyman screw in choke tubes with some Imperial 2 3/4 in Buckshot loads to take his deer. After he started hunting near Fleming Saskatchewan with his good friend Ken Hawkins, who owned Hawkins taxidermy back in the day, he decided a rifle was necessary to help him on longer shots. He successfully used that gun for many years to take many deer, several black bears unti lhis eyesight got to the point that he needed a scope to help him and he replaced it with a Savage pump model still in 30.30. My boys will inherit it from me and hopefully some day my grandsons will take their first deer with it.
Have one from world war 2, one of the smoothest, fastest 30-30’s I’ve ever handled (Canadian here). Absolutely beautiful, it’s something I consider a treasure that will be passed down for generations!
Picked up a mint 1976 in 30/30 that looks brand new, be surprised if it saw more than a box of ammo. What a light and compact rifle.
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Since its in Canada, 600. They can be way higher for a pre 64 or much lower for a rough 64+
At about 1980 Winchester started using CNC machinery and quality became better than 1964-circa 1980.Istill like the pre '64s better and the pre WW2 and pre WW1 are the best.All the workmanship and hand fitting on these older firearms is a thing to behold.
I just bought an early 80s model thats angled ejection that is in almost new condition and its flawless. Sat in a guncase for 30 years
I have a 94 and two 64s. The 64s (a 30-30 and a 32 Special) are both pre-64. The 94 is a Centennial model with the 26 inch half round/half octagon barrel and high grade wood.
They are all marvelous rifles!
Just sitting the record straight I own a quite a few in both pre and post 64 and they are all good accurate guns don't know anything about the newer ones after about 1980 with the angle eject and the safeties and such but the other ones I've taken alot of game with in sixty five years of hunting and shooting
My first deer was taken many years ago with my dad's old 30-30. Vintage 1907. Don't laugh, but I even got a snowshoe rabbit with that rifle.
@@justsittinhere72 I've got a carbine in the 30-30 manufacturing date 1904
@@jeffreyhershey5754 That's great! What condition? Mine has no bluing on the receiver. I suspect that yours doesn't either. My serial starts with 4. How about yours?
@@justsittinhere72 pretty gone and on the barrel and mag also it hasn't been shot in years I'm guessing maybe mid seventies since it's seen a bullet down the barrel it's lived a long hard life on the ranch through the years id have to drag it out to check the serial number again just remember looking it up in a book I have on winchester serial number for all winchester's made at the time but it ended in 84 for the guns
In 2000, went to a flea mkt. Saw a crowd of apprx 60+ surrounding a seller. As each inspected the '94, their face would fall, they wud leave. I was last, saw how close it was to a pre-64. The seller almost gave it to me! It's only off by afew serial#'s. I still hav it. Have been offered lotsa $$$ for it. I jus smile, and say "Not for sale"! But I am surprised by how many Rubes could be taken should they find a similar rifle.
Thanks so much, I appreciate your informative video.
Great video, mod.94 is a great American classic. The one i own was manufactured in1937. With the new Hornaday 160grn flextip, i can reach out to three hundred yards.
Have a 1973 Model 94 bought at Gemco Dept store for $79.95. Beautiful Walnut Wood. Shoots Great Love it.
me too,$ 69 @ walgreens drugs
This is a nice, simple easy to follow video, thank you!
3:06 made me have to check the upload date. God I wish that price were still accurate
Got a 1966 it is not a pre 64 but never had an issue luv it !
I own a lot of gun but this oldie is my favorite with the Marlin
Just sold my 1975 Model 94, long story short and just picked up an 1971 Model 94 in 30-30. I just learned this myself on the Model 94 in 30-30, which most people don't know about. Canadian and French soldiers used this Model 94 in 30-30 in WW1 and WW2. Ar-15s is ok, but not my thing, but if Win Model 94 in 30-30 was good enough for some soldiers in those two countries in both World Wars and good enough for some American law enforcement cops in late 1800's to the early 1900's, its way good enough for me. But for hunting I rather have a little bigger caliber.
I have three. One from 1940 1957 & 1966. They all shoot well The ‘66 rattles when you shake it & the bluing looks painted on other than that no complaints
You can’t beat the 1950s. Weather it’s cars, guns or guitars, that was Americas heyday
- Well done... Thanks
Great video
I've got a 1910 /1894 and it's an awesome gun in beautiful shape love to shoot it.
I have a model 1894 was built in 1899 it's a 32 Caliber I love it, it's fun to shoot. The farthest I shot it yet is 128 yards and it's dead on with iron sights
My grandfather had one, that my mother decided that my brother should get. His wife hates guns. I wound up with that .30-30 and I love it! That round has probably taken every animal on the North American continent (yes, grizzly and polar bears too). That rifle was supposedly made in 1950. My dad bought one in 1957, and hopefully I’ll get that one as well.
Your mum was telling your brother to get his balls out of his wife's handbag. Good news for you anyway. 👍
I have a 1966 never had a problem with it
bought a circa 1942 m94 in 30 wcf last sept, for $300. blueing is worn but shoots real good
Thank you for the information I did not know that just those two screws on the receiver could tell you the difference between years now I know what year mine was made.
It has a half cocked position on the hammer. That's its safety
I just bought a new Winchester Model 94 and it doesn't have that for some reason, just the grip safety and a safety catch, i would prefer the locked half cock for the hammer.
Nice presentation. Winchester didn't design jack shite however; the master John Browning designed this action and Winchester made out like a bandit. Your right, they put a smile on your face when you shoot them!!
this guy known nothing,winchester only bought the design ..from john browning
I have a 1953 model 94 in 30-30. A beautiful design and still works fine. Paid 800 cad. 2023
Both beautiful. I have a 51 in 32special
Where do u buy 32 special ammo?
@@cjp4073 reload it. It you have brass buy dies an you can get the projectiles pretty easy.
Pre 64 are anywhere from $600 to $1,500 now from what I’ve found. Most are over $1,000
Absolutely liberal government sure brought gun value up
lol, I just laughed out loud thinking… how can I get everyone on here to sell me theirs for $400-450? Pre 64’s in great condition are over $1500.00 US. Cheers!
Out here in WA most pre-64's fetch +$600 and post-64's $250-$350
Yes -- and we have noticed in our shop that the Pre-64 guns have jumped in recent months, although not that high yet. The 70's years are still holding their value.
Got my pre 64 for 490, in Texas these things usually run for 900
FarOutWest it's a 1920s model that was missing it's front sight and had some peoples names on it. It was most likely handed down in family. One of them has some initials and a 48 above it. The stock was wobbly but I have tightened it and it is good as new. I have installed a new bead and sighted it in. It is now in perfect shape and Is a rifle of true character. I understand your skepticism but I've checked the serial, the metal work is superb and its solid. It's a pre 64 no doubt about it.
Same here In NH , 400 for the post and 600 for the Pre .
Jklmno Rstuv
Purchased one brand new in 1980 for $125 there's a lot of money then but it was well worth it
I have a pre-1964 Winchester 94. It was made in 1944 and has never been fired.
Have you taken the forearm of to look at the barrel date? I've kinda guessed mine was assembled about that time since Winchester has no manufacture dates from 1941 to 1945. My barrel is dated 1941,and was assembled sometime in between military contracts, since their was no civilian gun manufacturing from 41 to 45. Can you give me a ballpark of the last 3 numbers of the serial number to compare to mine?
@@kennardjohnson7875 When my Uncle gave we did that and the numbers corresponded to a 1944 date. I accept that it may not have been manufactured at that time, given war time conditions. It is more than likely, that barrel was manufacture earlier, but not assembled until later possibly late 45 after the war or early 46.
@@coleparker You have a really unique Winchester, mine has a bit of use,but still in very good condition. I've guessed tomated mine assembled in 44. 1 million 3 five thousand serial number range.
@@kennardjohnson7875 It is rather unique. That is why, even though my Uncle told me to, not shot it. My Uncle was an avid collector of Winchesters, and having the money to do so traveled around to every small gun store and other places buying various calibers. He was even able to obtain the rifle used in the movie Winchester 73 when he ran into the producer or director of the movie in France.
@@coleparker if you ever run across cheaper Winchester s/s 20 ga,or 1895s, or a 99 in 284 or 358 Winchester, my nephew owns El Campo in kingsville tx . If it's a decent deal I'm always game. Thanks. And I remember that movie as a kid.
I have a 1964 produced model my only complaint is you can’t blue the receiver and mine looks bad. I love the gun regardless.
I have a 1977!!
Viewing June 2020, the values have gone crazy with both being upwards of $700.00 US now with the pre 64 being slightly higher.
Jan 21. I just purchased a pre 64 32 special carbine for $650 Canadian plus a box of shells.
Its crazy how just 7 years ago when this video was made. He says a pre 64 is worth 450... but now you'd be lucky to find a pre 64 for under 1000. We really screwed up the economy 😅
Informative video, too dark, though. Wish it was brighter, to see detail more clearly. Nonetheless, thanks very much.
Did what’s his face take these from y’all Canucks as well. ? Great vid…subbed…..down loaded etc. Mine was made in 1977 and is awesome as well as beautiful. At $1.50 to $2.00 a shot…….I practice on my .22 lr Henry. Thanks!
How about the "BIG BORE '94" ??
Just bought a 1951 Standard 30-30 Model 94 in almost new condition for $950. Don't know how the author says they can be had for around $450.
Perhaps where you are they are more valuable. At the time of this recording we had wholesaled 3 of them ('51, '53, '62) for between 400 and 500. We are in Canada, and up here they seem to be more plentiful.
@@castorsfirearms2022 Hmmm...I wonder. Next time I am in Canada, I'll have to look into buying older rifles and whether they can easily be brought over the border.
@@castorsfirearms2022 I've got a 53 I think. It's a top eject
@@castorsfirearms2022 I know it’s an older comment but thanks to our gun ban, they are now easily double the price
I own a 1970s saddle ring carbine 30.30....I wouldn’t trade it for any other gun...you can pack it from daylight to dark with 0 problems..
Please tell me the value of a Winchester 94 30-30 made in 1965 with pre 64 wood.
Winchester didn't design it... As with all the best guns to date John Browning designed it.
What john browning did not designed ! 😁
I think everybody already knows that
Seriously, it seems like almost every successful gun has some element that was designed by John Browning.
@@jaydee1532 the entire "lever action" bolt and carriers and everything...you obviously have a phone in your hands ....do your own homework before you make a stupid comment.....save a little face lol
Aaron Perrell fuck you 😁
they do have a safety. if you half cock the hammer it will lock until you either flip the lever or pull back the hammer
Got one that was made in 1952 in 32 winchester special.
blueknight I’ve just acquired a ‘52 model in .32 spl. Excellent condition. No able to determine it’s value yet. Have you done any research on your 94? Any ideas of Value?
I have the same thing mine was made in 1949
@@tonyt7705 I took it to a gun store and the guy said it was worth maybe $400 ( Take with a grain of salt). So I'll keep it for the time being.
I have a year 90 . Still a gun gun.
I have a pre 64 in modle 94 30-30!
Model 94 30-30 pre 64!
I have a 1965 winchester and a 1973 marlin 30-30
I like the 32 special, it to me just shoots better then the 30, and they do have a safety, the hammer has first click safety and second click full cocked
Where do u buy 32 special ammo? always out of stock.
@@cjp4073 yes I know they are always out of stock I like the core loft 170 gr Remington Winchester 170 is also good but can't find it either It is also hard to get 3030 they are the best hunting rifles out there but I like the 32 special better then the rest because of it's riflings the riflings are different then the 3030. The 32 has a slow rate of twist and packs a much greater punch, as for the 3006 and the 3030 makes a through and through and the deer run for ever 32 drops them on the spot
I have a Model 94 Winchester 32 Special lever action with a peep sight. I purchased this rifle in 1967 and I’m wondering how can I go about finding out when it was manufactured.
@STEPHEN Wheeler • write down your serial number and Google date my Winchester any of the sites that pop up you will get the year of manufacture for that serial number.
Do you folks ever do a review on 1894 built back like at the turn of the century built in1899 that's a 32 Caliber possibly.
If one comes through we will post up a quick video
@@castorsfirearms2022 thank you
What are the prices of them today? I see them all the time for 12 to 1400 rarely are they 1000 down here in this state.
It's sad to think that this one effort at cost savings in 1964 for both the Model 70 and '94 sealed Winchester's fate. They went from a public perception of a company that produced excellent, high-quality arms to one that produced cut-rate, good-enough arms. They soon figured out that people were buying other brands instead of theirs, but by that time, it was too late. Now the only Winchesters left are made in Japan.
smarley678 Really is a shame. Basically Winchester doesn't even exist anymore.
Owned by Berretta I believe
Jerry are you really that ignorant? FN owns it.
@@Nick-wn1xw I guess I am.
The Miroku made Winchesters and Brownings are exceptionally fine firearms. Excellent connection between John Browning and FN also.
You managed to do a "review" of the differences without covering the differences. The pre-64 was tight and well built. The post 64 was sloppy and requires the lever to be squeezed shut and held there in order to fire the rifle. Now the new 94's have a rebounding hammer, tang safety and outrageous price tags. It isn't even the Model 94 anymore. Just looks like it on the surface.
You're absolutely right. Don't know what this guy is talking about. The high quality pre 64 is very easy to distinguish from the crap they produced after.
Yet they do the same thing.
Put food on the table. You obviously only care about $$$ or bragging rights.
Bid on a 1972 Winchester 30-30 which was never shot. Excellent condition for 460.00 plus $30 shipping and $15 credit card fee. Not sure if it was a good deal or not.
In 1971 I ordered a model 94 from Simpson Sears with 2 boxes of Winchester ammo included for $99.99 Canadian.
I was 16 years old and it was mailed directly to my home in Nova Scotia.
Damn good price.
@@novokain3993 that's about 90 bucks US at the time.
Holly Nites Just get his gun in Canada
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What was the comment on the sights? As a young man a pony beer bottle thrown by some pretty good arms would turn to sand Gave 80$ for it new. Still got it 😊.
I have a 52 and it's barrel measure to a little over 19"... Is that normal?
Cock the chamber open and Measure from the chamber to the end of the barrel, it should be 20". That was a Standard barrel.
i have a 30 30 winchester made in 2004 is that cansidered a 94 model?
Hang on to it
One of the big differences is if you shake the 77 it has a little rattle the older rifle does not
$400...Yeah, now?! $1,800!
$1200-$1500 in today’s market
That must be Canadian pricing. Pre 64s go for close to a grand.
@dalegroves1918 • you would be hard pressed to find a pre 64 for under $1000.00 in today's market a couple years ago I couldn't find one in decent shape for anything less than that.
John Browning design.oliver Winchester good business man.😊
It was the first tactical rifle..maybe..i still put food on the table with my 40s gramps hand me down
I have a 1943 30-30/ stamped WCF, and a 1957 .32 Win Spl. I'll never part with them.
I think the performance argument between the pre 64 and beyond is nonsense. Perhaps one can discern a difference in finish but that's about all, in my opinion.
I have the 32 special
I just purchased a pre 64, 32 special carbine with sling mounts. Payed more than $400 canadian.
locking bolt designed by JOHN BROWNING
🇦🇺😎👍Nice
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$400 to $450? May I come up there to buy one?
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I have a 94 32 winchester special made in late 1897 round barrel. You heard me right 118335 ser#
My pre-64, the front sight is open, not hooded
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I paid $90 for mine in 1970. I might sell it for $300,000. Maybe.
Older rifles tend to rust easily.
Only one worth a dag-gone is the ""Pre 64".... In my opinion....
I have my reasons... Mainly the metal and the finish....
I have heard the price point of $350 for a pre 64 model 94 before and find it hard to find in the real world. In fact finding a pre 64 for sale is difficult and much more money. Can you send me a link to one for say $450 in the condition of the one you show. Is it possible there is a conspiracy to push down the price by falsely stating the price point? LOL
This video is seven years old lol
Very nice rifles. I've got a pair of pre 64 mod 94s on my channel if your interested, thanks.
desinged by JOHN BROWNING
Imagine them being $450 and $400 now……
I was just thinking the same
A pre-64 model 94 for $450. SOLD!!! Hahahahaha You’re looking at $1000+ in Texas.
There is a 1900 built model 94 that I am looking at buying here in Washington State that is for sale at $1550. And it is in very good condition other than the case hardening being worn off the receiver.
Local must play a big part of there value ! Here in Arkansas a beater will bring $ 550.00
mark willis Local does make all the difference, you’re absolutely correct.
you would think that online sales would kind of even things out. I bought a flat band beater for $500. Smooth action. Others were 50s and early 60s models. Full blue, $600-$900. Hard to find in North Idaho
400$😒I wish
Actually the best quality 94 rifles ever made are post 64...As in post New Haven made.
The Miroku made 1894 rifles are better than even the older pre 64s in fit, finish, polish, machining, blue and barrel quality. If the new rifles only didn't have a tang safety and rebounding hammer....they'd be close to perfect. That...and if they were more reasonably priced!
Only the one problem with the new ones is there made in the wrong country!
@@markwillis3496 Yes too bad they aren't roll marked Made in USA!
Finish
Anything after 64 is junk, unless you want somthing that jams half of the time.
...what? lol. Post-64's were cheapened drastically in their manufacturing but they're still accurate and reliable in my experience. Speaking from someone who has both a 1972 and a 1923.
Bullsh*t
I have a 1971 and no problems thus far.
Really bad information about 30/30 ooohhh shit you just said you are from Canada please send our rifle back where it belongs ! I was watching the video confused now I know why go have your country make something good. Never seen a good car maker from Canada or anything for that matter Please send those rifles home thanks for nothing Canada
That was one hell of a shitty review. It was more of a commercial
Now you pay 780 bucks to get one in usa today