hi, I saw the festool exo skeleton at a trade show a week ago, what was your opinion of it? I noticed you aren't wearing it! From what I saw I'm not sure they are going to be flexible enough when boarding ceilings, they look like they would restrict movement in the shoulders, am I right? Interested to know your opinion. Cheers for the video.
Good video Robin. Thanks for being open minded and trying to educate us. I’ve seen so many negative comments with this device. I think a lot of people are triggered by, and hate Festool because it’s expensive and they can’t afford it, so they criticise it to make themselves feel better. So many small minded knuckle draggers in the building game 🤦♂️
Good watch that, on the fence with the festool, I get what people are saying with it but for people with injuries or getting a bit on for the job, this could be the answer. Thanks for sharing 👍
Good video, and if only all joiners had that ethos as it makes it so much easier to follow a great job when you are taping or plastering because the work you go onto is perfect. Great to see.
Goodness - 1st in the class! I always go for the hard stuff first, then it's easy peasy when you're tired & time is running out! Looking forward to the lesson, Robin!
cant beat having someone as tall as Ed when doing ceilings !! My house is timber frame and I remember that once the walls were boarded it was a pain as you couldnt look through the stud walls to find out where you had left something......
I cannot believe some of the comments you get Robin i thought it was just Bricklayers came out with dumb comments. Ive been looking at the skeleton and need to try it out as i think it has a use for Bricklayers laying heavy blocks which this industry persists in using, nice work by the way👍
Excellent as usual from Robin and some good suggestions in the comments too. My suggestion is regarding carrying the boards into the building. Carry them across your forearm. Create an L and carry them from elbow to palm. Eliminates stress on the joints. 👍🏾
Great job I’ve been in the uk for 12 years now the one thing I think we should adopt from Australia when boarding ceilings is glueing them aswell as screwing there’s a lot of weight once there skimmed and one popped screw leads to another
Not sure why so many people (on other videos) ridicule this kind of exoskeleton. Of course time will tell if it's as useful as claimed, but so many tradesman have pretty worn out bodies when they get close to retirement. Who wouldn't want to end their career with their physical health in tact? If something like this can help achieve that, that's worth a lot.
people in america ( can't say about UK obv) used to laugh at the air tools when they came out same with the original cordless drills they don't laugh now. it will be the same. trades is full of old coots mad at everything
some cracking tips there. never thought of doing either of the batten offcuts on either side before. cant imagine boarding without a auto feed driver now. makes it an absolute breeze even if my dewalt gun is not the best. the methodical way of marking out everything is really a game changer that ive learned mainly from watching your videos
Hi Robin, as always, I really enjoy the level of detail, care and thought shown in every thing you approach. Much respect, keep safe chaps Regards Martin✊🏻
Great product innovation. A problem that affects all ages when your head is looking up for a longer period. The neck and head support is genius. The 3k price tag though, ouch.
Great to see the way you work Robin. I wish more tradesmen worked to your standards. Shame you are not closer to me in south Northants, I would have much work for you………
Remember when they used to come in taped-pairs? .... We used to get 16 ton loads that ALL had to be unloaded and moved two at a time by hand (No Hiabs or Fork-Lifts) ... The 3/8" were fine ... The 1/2" were a pain but we moved them in pairs to stop any risk of snapping - They were a LOT more brittle back in the day - Lone - Tacking? A small helmet with 3 hobnail studs whacked into the top - Board on head - balanced - Hop onto a trestle - Two whacks with the hammer for each nail and AWAY we went 🙂 ...... But working that 'low' ? ... You could end up with 'frozen shoulders' .. Hope not 😞 .... Tidy job though chaps 👍🤠
Hi Robin, Enjoyed the video as always. The Exoskeleton devices like this will have a benefit in the work place. However we still need to observe the basics in the prevention of injuries in the work place. Through work we had to do a manual handling course every 3 years and as a level 3 sports coach in swimming I did many courses in the prevention of injury in sport. With these devices you are still stretching so it is still important to emphasis to trades the need for a dynamic warm up. A dynamic warm should be used rather than a static warm up and the development of good core strength and hydration. It will be interesting to see how these devices take off, mind you if good warm up techniques and lifting techniques were to get the same level of marketing this would probably go a long way to the prevention of injury in the work place. It would be good if these tool companies emphasis this in their marketing. It would be good to see a whole job site of trades doing a warm up routine before the day has started. I am just wondering how brave the trades person would have to be to be the one to suggest it. Warm ups apart I thought the Hilti exoskeleton for the use of heavy tools has a lot of benefits if the requirements of using the tools in awkward positions can not be eliminated.
I recall that stupidity towards wearing hard hats in the construction sites that it was more manly to just get on with the job. These exoskeletons are the future to prevent repetitive injuries. You could also just run length of masking tape along the glulam then marj joists on the tape
I much prefer the haphazard approach, i throw up the first board randomly, then cut them all in custom sizes, hopefully, end up with a small triangle bit at the end....
I've learned so much from your videos Robin, awesome work and thanks for the tips. One little question though, if all the insulation on the roof is above the OSB sarking and the insulated plasterboard on the walls only goes up to underside of ceiling level, doesn't that give you a big cold bridge around the perimeter of the ceiling, where the insulated wall boards stop below the roof structure ?
We're going to see more and more of these for nurses, carers, mechanics, all sorts of applications where RSI and injuries are a problem. But a plasterboard lift at closer to a tenth of the price is going to the choice for most people for a while yet, surely. Somewhere between the T and the exoskeleton.
I have to admit that when I got an email from Festool about the launch of the exoskeleton I thought it was a spoof. Still I can remember thinking that a powered screwdriver was a luxury for lazy people, can't imagine life without them now.
Hi Sam, one of my favourite products are structural Glulam beams and I use them as much as I can and yes we leave them fully exposed and generally unfinished
How about wrapping the glulams in clear polythene at installation time, to protect them from all trades. Then craft knife off after decorating? This way you will prevent any marks from plastering and painting, but you can then use a wipe board pen to mark where your joists are. I wrap any feature wood when I'm fitting it, then cut off after other trades, revealing a sharp line between pristine paintwork and an antique beam over a fireplace for example.
Always a well-thought-out process Robin and great methods to make the installation as least cumbersome as possible.. But I really can't see those Exo-skeletons catching on with your 'everyday carpenter' and like Ed says it's going to take a lot of getting used to, is it worth the investment/space taken up in the van? haven't seen a scenario where I would personally need it early days and would like to be proven wrong.
Cannot see any of the lads who have done plastering for me buying one. Some one in the comments says 3 grand. That would be twice the cost of their van.
I'm really surprised a man of your standards didn't fit those same blue roofing battens perpendicular to the ceiling joists. In a warm roof scenario, battens won't be required to support any insulation, and you've probably put in future proofing cables, but if the plasterboard is fixed direct to joists, there's no way of fishing cables across a ceiling in future. OK its also a single storey so no possibility of any transition from upstairs movement and pressure. But I would always fit plasterboard to battens fixed across the joists. This also enables you to use full board instead of cutting them back to the nearest joists. You can fit battens exactly to the sizes of your boards. Having said that, the job you've done is obviously top notch.
I just looked online for the exoskeleton only three grand and unfortunately as you can see from the bumf I’ve copied and pasted doesn’t like wet trade The ExoActive exoskeleton now makes light work of strenuous overhead tasks. Whether dry mortarless construction, painting, wallpapering
i have never understand why some people are so worried about "manhood" when it comes to stuff like the exosuit or safety equipment. youre not impresssing anyone by destroying your body. well, maybe your boss, but they arent paying you enough to be physically broken by 45. use any and all equipment that makes your life easier, safer, and more productive
I assume the exoskeleton is for relieving strain on the arms and shoulders? Seems fair enough but i think the planning, (batten spacing etc) has solved a lot of that and what about protection against all the moving here and there and up and down ladders? In other words, no consideration or device for the knees, hips, lower back?
If anyone uses the tape and knife method of cutting parallel, then you should go as fast as you can with your hand running down the side of board. Much better !!!
Couple of points of view, boards should have a 2mm / 3mm gap between them rather than being butted up tight. Allows plaster to pass through scrim tape into the gap and strengthen the joint to prevent cracking (or so I was taught) and whilst battens and props help massively, a board lifter makes life so much easier, even when two of you are working.
Hi Sergio, we only bring the cables that are for hanging light fittings through before the plastering stage, the down lighter cables stay in the ceiling and we bring them through once we have plastered and drilled the holes for the fittings
@@ukconstruction Thanks for the response Robin. Keep up the good work. Always enjoy your videos along with those of your mate, Dan the Man. Quality work.👌
You not got a board carrier Robin!! your a short ass like me, makes it a lot easier. no plasterboard screwbit! has a sleeve so you cant break the paper (bit leaves the head of the screw before it breaks the paper) this may sound like a dumb question but why no Kingspan/Celotex in the roof? or iis it a cold/warm roof (it all confuses me know I'm semi retired and don't keep up to date with the new regs (which seem to change 6 monthly)) For £3,000 it's not for your small company unless your a full time tacker. good work system you use
Yep its a modern warm roof!! The collated screwdriver has an adjustable depth stop so its always perfect no matter how hard you push!! the ExoActive is a big investment as you mention but it will also really help users from developing repetitive strain injuries and aches/pains etc
The festool exo needs to be Designed to transfer the weight of the machine to the ground, without that your basically carrying the weight of the tool + material, all that load is been transferred to your lower back, hips, knees etc, the system needs to be passive, the batteries are a added weight, won't work in the cold, hassle of recharge etc.
@@ukconstruction good thinking had it before plaster all over the timbers.i done a flat roof on my orangery it was noisy when it rained wish I used acoustic plasterboard. And it had 175 celotex in it.
In this day and age we are in, for people to choose to not use certain tools because they're 'men' is pretty f****** stupid... Use the damned tools and don't be in pain all the time in your 40's
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Did you not need any insulation in the roof
The roof is a warm roof, the vapour control layer and all the insulation is on the top of the OSB decking
hi, I saw the festool exo skeleton at a trade show a week ago, what was your opinion of it? I noticed you aren't wearing it! From what I saw I'm not sure they are going to be flexible enough when boarding ceilings, they look like they would restrict movement in the shoulders, am I right? Interested to know your opinion. Cheers for the video.
Good video Robin. Thanks for being open minded and trying to educate us. I’ve seen so many negative comments with this device. I think a lot of people are triggered by, and hate Festool because it’s expensive and they can’t afford it, so they criticise it to make themselves feel better.
So many small minded knuckle draggers in the building game 🤦♂️
Marking the plasterboard rather than the glue lam. Genius. You make every job elegant, clean, and crisp.
Good watch that, on the fence with the festool, I get what people are saying with it but for people with injuries or getting a bit on for the job, this could be the answer. Thanks for sharing 👍
Good video, and if only all joiners had that ethos as it makes it so much easier to follow a great job when you are taping or plastering because the work you go onto is perfect. Great to see.
Goodness - 1st in the class! I always go for the hard stuff first, then it's easy peasy when you're tired & time is running out! Looking forward to the lesson, Robin!
cant beat having someone as tall as Ed when doing ceilings !! My house is timber frame and I remember that once the walls were boarded it was a pain as you couldnt look through the stud walls to find out where you had left something......
I cannot believe some of the comments you get Robin i thought it was just Bricklayers came out with dumb comments. Ive been looking at the skeleton and need to try it out as i think it has a use for Bricklayers laying heavy blocks which this industry persists in using, nice work by the way👍
Excellent as usual from Robin and some good suggestions in the comments too.
My suggestion is regarding carrying the boards into the building.
Carry them across your forearm. Create an L and carry them from elbow to palm. Eliminates stress on the joints. 👍🏾
Great job I’ve been in the uk for 12 years now the one thing I think we should adopt from Australia when boarding ceilings is glueing them aswell as screwing there’s a lot of weight once there skimmed and one popped screw leads to another
Not sure why so many people (on other videos) ridicule this kind of exoskeleton. Of course time will tell if it's as useful as claimed, but so many tradesman have pretty worn out bodies when they get close to retirement. Who wouldn't want to end their career with their physical health in tact? If something like this can help achieve that, that's worth a lot.
Absolutely
people in america ( can't say about UK obv) used to laugh at the air tools when they came out same with the original cordless drills they don't laugh now. it will be the same. trades is full of old coots mad at everything
some cracking tips there. never thought of doing either of the batten offcuts on either side before. cant imagine boarding without a auto feed driver now. makes it an absolute breeze even if my dewalt gun is not the best.
the methodical way of marking out everything is really a game changer that ive learned mainly from watching your videos
Hi Paul, thanks for your comment, have a great week mate
Hi Robin, as always, I really enjoy the level of detail, care and thought shown in every thing you approach. Much respect, keep safe chaps
Regards Martin✊🏻
Much appreciated
Lovely neat job there, nice tip marking the boards too.
Bonus points for walking all those boards in with the biggest tool belt ive ever seen ;)
Really good video. Packed full if hacks from the latest tools to old school tricks, not to mention the excellent teamwork 💪💪
Thank you Stew!!
Hi Robin. I fully agree with Stew, great to watch as usual. Hi to Ed also. Dave.
Great product innovation. A problem that affects all ages when your head is looking up for a longer period. The neck and head support is genius. The 3k price tag though, ouch.
Great to see the way you work Robin. I wish more tradesmen worked to your standards. Shame you are not closer to me in south Northants, I would have much work for you………
That metabo drywall guns seems great!
Don't let Festool see that T you made, they'll have a 3 grand version of it out soon enough 😂
Remember when they used to come in taped-pairs? .... We used to get 16 ton loads that ALL had to be unloaded and moved two at a time by hand (No Hiabs or Fork-Lifts) ... The 3/8" were fine ... The 1/2" were a pain but we moved them in pairs to stop any risk of snapping - They were a LOT more brittle back in the day - Lone - Tacking? A small helmet with 3 hobnail studs whacked into the top - Board on head - balanced - Hop onto a trestle - Two whacks with the hammer for each nail and AWAY we went 🙂 ...... But working that 'low' ? ... You could end up with 'frozen shoulders' .. Hope not 😞 .... Tidy job though chaps 👍🤠
Yes that was back as recently as the late 1980's!!
Hi Robin, Enjoyed the video as always. The Exoskeleton devices like this will have a benefit in the work place. However we still need to observe the basics in the prevention of injuries in the work place. Through work we had to do a manual handling course every 3 years and as a level 3 sports coach in swimming I did many courses in the prevention of injury in sport. With these devices you are still stretching so it is still important to emphasis to trades the need for a dynamic warm up. A dynamic warm should be used rather than a static warm up and the development of good core strength and hydration. It will be interesting to see how these devices take off, mind you if good warm up techniques and lifting techniques were to get the same level of marketing this would probably go a long way to the prevention of injury in the work place. It would be good if these tool companies emphasis this in their marketing. It would be good to see a whole job site of trades doing a warm up routine before the day has started. I am just wondering how brave the trades person would have to be to be the one to suggest it. Warm ups apart I thought the Hilti exoskeleton for the use of heavy tools has a lot of benefits if the requirements of using the tools in awkward positions can not be eliminated.
I recall that stupidity towards wearing hard hats in the construction sites that it was more manly to just get on with the job. These exoskeletons are the future to prevent repetitive injuries. You could also just run length of masking tape along the glulam then marj joists on the tape
I much prefer the haphazard approach, i throw up the first board randomly, then cut them all in custom sizes, hopefully, end up with a small triangle bit at the end....
I've learned so much from your videos Robin, awesome work and thanks for the tips. One little question though, if all the insulation on the roof is above the OSB sarking and the insulated plasterboard on the walls only goes up to underside of ceiling level, doesn't that give you a big cold bridge around the perimeter of the ceiling, where the insulated wall boards stop below the roof structure ?
We're going to see more and more of these for nurses, carers, mechanics, all sorts of applications where RSI and injuries are a problem. But a plasterboard lift at closer to a tenth of the price is going to the choice for most people for a while yet, surely. Somewhere between the T and the exoskeleton.
I have to admit that when I got an email from Festool about the launch of the exoskeleton I thought it was a spoof. Still I can remember thinking that a powered screwdriver was a luxury for lazy people, can't imagine life without them now.
Nice work. Been a subscriber for a long time and your stuff is always great to learn from. I won’t be buying any Festool exoskeleton, though. 😉
Neat work lads, looks great. Guessing your leaving the beams exposed.
Hi Sam, one of my favourite products are structural Glulam beams and I use them as much as I can and yes we leave them fully exposed and generally unfinished
@@ukconstruction Agreed, it looks really neat and is a lovely detail mate.
How about wrapping the glulams in clear polythene at installation time, to protect them from all trades. Then craft knife off after decorating? This way you will prevent any marks from plastering and painting, but you can then use a wipe board pen to mark where your joists are. I wrap any feature wood when I'm fitting it, then cut off after other trades, revealing a sharp line between pristine paintwork and an antique beam over a fireplace for example.
Always a well-thought-out process Robin and great methods to make the installation as least cumbersome as possible.. But I really can't see those Exo-skeletons catching on with your 'everyday carpenter' and like Ed says it's going to take a lot of getting used to, is it worth the investment/space taken up in the van? haven't seen a scenario where I would personally need it early days and would like to be proven wrong.
Cannot see any of the lads who have done plastering for me buying one. Some one in the comments says 3 grand. That would be twice the cost of their van.
I'm really surprised a man of your standards didn't fit those same blue roofing battens perpendicular to the ceiling joists. In a warm roof scenario, battens won't be required to support any insulation, and you've probably put in future proofing cables, but if the plasterboard is fixed direct to joists, there's no way of fishing cables across a ceiling in future. OK its also a single storey so no possibility of any transition from upstairs movement and pressure. But I would always fit plasterboard to battens fixed across the joists. This also enables you to use full board instead of cutting them back to the nearest joists. You can fit battens exactly to the sizes of your boards. Having said that, the job you've done is obviously top notch.
Excellent suggestion
The joists will be set out for plaster boards
@@Jackscaf so zero cutting of boards required then? Robin built the place so plasterboard fit perfectly.
Remove a roof sheet if required
Would that not mean nasty screw tails / points projecting on top of the battens? A real snag problem for cables………..
I just looked online for the exoskeleton only three grand and unfortunately as you can see from the bumf I’ve copied and pasted doesn’t like wet trade The ExoActive exoskeleton now makes light work of strenuous overhead tasks. Whether dry mortarless construction, painting, wallpapering
i have never understand why some people are so worried about "manhood" when it comes to stuff like the exosuit or safety equipment. youre not impresssing anyone by destroying your body. well, maybe your boss, but they arent paying you enough to be physically broken by 45. use any and all equipment that makes your life easier, safer, and more productive
I think you accidentally edited out the bit where your featured product actually did anything.
🤦 and there are 4 more of you. Watch the video, and do not skip and look at his colleague. God help your generation.
Maybe watch to the end 🤣
@@end-game2030 "when it did give me assistance, it was pretty handy" If you think that's an explanation, god help us all.
When your wearing one of those are you still able to wear your toolbelt?
I assume the exoskeleton is for relieving strain on the arms and shoulders? Seems fair enough but i think the planning, (batten spacing etc) has solved a lot of that and what about protection against all the moving here and there and up and down ladders? In other words, no consideration or device for the knees, hips, lower back?
Incredible job Robin and im sure ive missed something obvious but where's the insulation going?
It's a warm roof construction so all the vapour control and insulation is on the top of the OSB roof deck
@ukconstruction aha, I thought it would have been something obvious like that. Great video and thanks for speedy reply.
Robin, can you explain why you didn’t insulate between the joists?
This is a warm roof, so all the insulation is above the flat roof deck boards on top of a vapour control layer
If anyone uses the tape and knife method of cutting parallel, then you should go as fast as you can with your hand running down the side of board. Much better !!!
Couple of points of view, boards should have a 2mm / 3mm gap between them rather than being butted up tight. Allows plaster to pass through scrim tape into the gap and strengthen the joint to prevent cracking (or so I was taught) and whilst battens and props help massively, a board lifter makes life so much easier, even when two of you are working.
Why do you guys use such big sheets of plasterboard? The ones we use in Sweden are 90cm x 240cm typically.
Nice work. Would be good if you brought the electrical cables through
Hi Sergio, we only bring the cables that are for hanging light fittings through before the plastering stage, the down lighter cables stay in the ceiling and we bring them through once we have plastered and drilled the holes for the fittings
Does no one use stud adhesive any more??
Hi John. That has never really been a thing in the UK, well at least not in my part of the country, I see it in Australian videos sometimes
@@ukconstruction Thanks for the response Robin. Keep up the good work. Always enjoy your videos along with those of your mate, Dan the Man. Quality work.👌
You need to sort the cabling out first Robin! They are so far out of the allowed zones! I would check your electrician is qualified!
A lot easier with a plaster board lifter one man job
No insulation in the ceilings? Walls are insulated so seems a bit counter intuitive
All the insulation is on the top, it's a warm roof construction
Looks a bit clumsy tbh that what EDS wearing 👀
You not got a board carrier Robin!! your a short ass like me, makes it a lot easier. no plasterboard screwbit! has a sleeve so you cant break the paper (bit leaves the head of the screw before it breaks the paper) this may sound like a dumb question but why no Kingspan/Celotex in the roof? or iis it a cold/warm roof (it all confuses me know I'm semi retired and don't keep up to date with the new regs (which seem to change 6 monthly)) For £3,000 it's not for your small company unless your a full time tacker. good work system you use
Yep its a modern warm roof!! The collated screwdriver has an adjustable depth stop so its always perfect no matter how hard you push!! the ExoActive is a big investment as you mention but it will also really help users from developing repetitive strain injuries and aches/pains etc
Ed was going around with a normal driver bit screwing in the ones that didn't seat properly@@ukconstruction
The festool exo needs to be Designed to transfer the weight of the machine to the ground, without that your basically carrying the weight of the tool + material, all that load is been transferred to your lower back, hips, knees etc, the system needs to be passive, the batteries are a added weight, won't work in the cold, hassle of recharge etc.
No perimeter dwangs for edge of board?
These close centres and the thickness of the board require less perimeter noggins or as you call them Dwangs
get yourself a plasterboard lifter save all the mauling
only about £120
come on guys , buy or rent a crank up lift . a thousand times easier
It would have been better to coat the gluelams 1st Before they get plaster all over them.
We use a tape and drape it's super quick and no plaster!!
@@ukconstruction good thinking had it before plaster all over the timbers.i done a flat roof on my orangery it was noisy when it rained wish I used acoustic plasterboard. And it had 175 celotex in it.
Yeah for 3k no thanks, can buy a small car for that amount
@djstuc no, but it will get me to the hospital
In this day and age we are in, for people to choose to not use certain tools because they're 'men' is pretty f****** stupid... Use the damned tools and don't be in pain all the time in your 40's
Buzz light year? 😂🤣
Ed light year!!!!
Fella get a manual plasterboard lifter for a hundred pounds ……..
poor old ed looks like such a dork with that thing on
Yea proper knob 😂 .....and the buzzing would do my nut in .....you lad like him should be doing them on his own 😜
Slow ass rockers
Slow and steady!!!