10W LED failure analysis + repair + schematic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.พ. 2021
- Today, let's analyze a weird failure of a 10W LED lamp, show what's inside, fix it and also reverse engineer the schematic and explain how does it work.
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Please never say that word "THIS IS MY LAST VIDEO" no one replace you......my heart just stopped....😄make new video with face in new camera or make video on your all diy projects collection...
LOL i saw your comment before i heard this so it was OK for me, but i understand that this can scare...
It scared me too 😬
There's no life without the word: "Dodgyyyy" 😄
@@matyasnyilas right! And his knowledge is just incredible!
My heart stopped beating for a moment too - and I have no complaints at all about the sound, the sound has been good for many years!
@@Zebra_Paw yes i saw others comments to but seriously that feels bad when someone who makes great videos and now stop making it.
"And this is my last video (silence)"....You almost shocked me to death ;-)
That was very cruel, Dany!
same here!
Same
I was already crying... This was the most cruel suspense pause i ever seen😭
However nice video as always! 💪
same
You could have just used some wax to cover the dents in the capacitor. Gotta learn from the masters :)
I was sure that somebody will write this comment :D.
I wonder if a dented capacitor can short circuit and blow up, especially at 300V
@@BogdanSerban sure it can. Xackus referred to the first video on the 12V 20A 600W cheap power supply from Ebay that DiodeGoneWild made recently.
@@DiodeGoneWild 🤣🤣🤣😂
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When he said: "this is my last video ....... With this camera" my heart Jumped a bit :D
Same
19:17 I nearley got a heart attack! :D I'm curious about the new quality of the videos. The content quality will probably stay very good.
This is my last video.
You scared the Sh.. out of me....
IMO the audio and video quality with the older camera were perfectly fine.
Yep, fine for me too! I think that these days people just have to complain about things. We are creating a world of carpers/winge-ers/complainers.....and wimps! Pretty sad.
@@englishrupe01 Yes, the content is to me what is relevant. Of course, no one wants a video in 240p, these times are long gone. But the qualty of his videos were enough to see everything important and since he is just narrating, the sound quality is not really important, just use an headphone.
Yes, a 8K Video could be better if you watch your videos in a cinema, but most of us still have normal FullHD Monitors or are just using some mobile devices with 8-10cm Screen - why should you need more than 1080p on such devices.
I havn't even taught about that, since 99% av TH-cam videos (as well as TV-channels for example) have crap sound compared to what I'm used to...
He still have great content. That's the most important.
I am looking forward to better sound! When I watch diode on the tv or on my phone it's okay, but I tried watching with some decent headphones plugged in and there's lots of popping and crackle on the audio that makes it very hard to listen to. I was actually worried it would damage my headphones!
Audio quality only became noticeable when he mentioned it... I was way to distracted by the good quality content and his amazing cadence.
"Hey DGW...? Want a beer?"
DGW: "Actuallyyyyy.... TheCorrectQuestioniiiiiiis... DoIwantAlager....orApilsneeeeer?"
Cheers DGW! 😁
19:19 got us bruh
You said ‘This is my last video” and my heart sank for a second
I almost cried when he said this video is my last because but then i calmed down when he said with this camera
He basically meant that this is the last video he will record with that camera
Well done. 👍 I remember the autopsy and rebuilt of the power supply of my first computer, a C64. The power supply was complete in rosin too and I cut it slice by slice with a iron saw blade, free the PCB, trafo and some parts, replace broken parts and assembled all into a new housing. It worked. 🙂
Excellent and interesting video as always! My humble thanks Mr DiodeGoneWild.
DideGoneWild: *plugs in LED with power supply with a capacitor 's dents filled with wax*
Power outlet: I've got a bad feeling about this
is this guy trying to ride on julian ilet's success? everyone boost this kid's channel, he is less annoying than ilett
19:17 What the heck, bro, are you trying to kill us?! Are you kidding us, guy? xDD
Thank you for sharing your knowledge in smps. A few weeks ago I repaired a HDMI LCD monitor that was thrashed away in my work, using what I have learned in your videos. Know it is at my home servicing has a TV.
You have been doing very nice work please continue.
Thank you very much for the good repair trail and the good circuit explanation.
It's time the world demanded proper eco-friendly repairable electronics. These could be made repairable and manufacturers could offer a trade-in value against a new one where the old one was fixed and re-sold. We are screwing up this planet at an exponential rate and no one really does anything about it.
You are right.
What we do now is the most economically viable method. Sure there's downsides. But in the end low price always wins. Now will the cost always remain low? That's a question we really do not have to answer, yet. When future generations are up to their eyeballs in e-waste they'll probably curse us for the choices we made. It is more likely something else is going to happen that will collapse civilization between now and then though. Problem solved!
@@1pcfred I don't agree. Pouring that potting crap into those Lidl bulbs costs money. It is there to deliberately stop repair. Not putting it there would save the manufacturer time and money. Manufacturers are going out of their way to prevent repair simply to sell more product in future.
@@mikeb1013 that's why you think it is there. There may be another purpose for it though. Even if to just secure the board in place. The manufacturer already knows most consumers cannot be bothered trying to repair a disposable item like a light bulb. They couldn't anyways.
I hope that the good old DiodeGoneWild's sound will not change that much... It's so... Origianl! :D
That output diode is truly a DiodeGoneWild
All your videos are fun and informative, I Would very much enjoy more with CC.
Yay!!! enjoyed this one Diode!
Your sophisticated list of tools now includes hacksaw too!😁
What are you talking about? Of course it's not a hacksaw, just the blade, with a piece of old t-shirt wrapped around one end. I absolutely love his ghetto style! Every time he whips out the Czechoslovakian soldering iron, I get flashbacks to my childhood.
*hacksaw blade. Not an entire hacksaw! :D
Looking forward to videos with the new camera! I didn't notice the audio quality til I watched a video with headphones... it's real bad.
Can't wait to hear your dulcet tones through the new mic!
Never had any bad sound on any of your videos, using a laptop here.
I don't know about bad but sound is not what I would call high-def either. It is a bit muffled. We'll have to hear what the new content is like.
i always watch your video since you teardown samsung charger.. keep making a great video.. thankyou..
The sound is good, very clear.
I think this is a great design with quality LEDs.
Back then, they did not know how long they last, so they made the LEDs beefy.
Now, they make them as cheap as possible. You'll be hard pressed to find big LEDs like these with 4 legs for heat spreading.
I never use the filament ones for that reason. No heat sink what so ever.
@@groundzero_-lm4md I heard they fill the filament bulbs with some special gas to provide somewhat better heat dissipation than what you'd get from air. Not sure if this is true though.
I still use two no-name LEDs bought in 2014. They work 6-8 hours a day and run without any problems. They utilize the small SMD LEDs, like 3825 or something. And the current is like 16-18 mA! No wonder they lasted so long, like 7 years already. Nowadays they pump twice that current in the LEDs, so it's not a suprise the lamps fail after a few months of intensive usage. Even the quality makers like Philips and Osram do that, not even mentioning current no-name brands. Times have changes, for worse I suppose, unfortunately :(
@@groundzero_-lm4md BigClivedotcom recently had a look at some special filament bulbs that used 4x the number of filaments compared to the normally obtainable ones - running each at amuch lower current for a much longer life
If interested, search for 'Dubai lamps'
that is a well constructed lamp. Great Video.
I have a 13w LIDL LED lamp that I have modified to use a big CPU heatsink. The heatsink gets pretty toasty in 1h or so. The original lamp had ZERO heatsinking. Absolutely nothing at all.
PS. I absolutely love your accent, please never think badly of it :)
record old camera teardown on new camera
I still plan to use the old camera, at least for a macro or for travelling.
@@DiodeGoneWild Use it for magnetron and X-ray experiments?Although im not sure if X-rays can damage a camera.
@@mernok2001 I think that X-rays are not very good for the electronics of the machine ... maybe the sensor holds up but the control logic (everything else) I don't think it's possible :-)
@@mernok2001 But he did say, that he would never repeat his X-ray experiments...
@@zolatanaffa87 Didn't thunderf00t stick a camera into a high energy neutron surce? Neutrons are basically natures miniature grenades... with just the same fuse time uncertainty.
Your English is getting very good
Love the sound!
Those bodges are pure art!
You just caused my heart skip a beat. Never make such dramatic announcement
Interesting video. Nice walk through.
Nice repair video 👍
Hey, great Video! You could save the Lamp, if you put the PCB in a plastic Box, and mount the Heatsink with the LEDs on Top of it. There are two Screwholes! Finally you have a really special looking Desk Lamp... 😌
weird circuit but you brought it to life! 👏😊
this diode is definitely gone wild ;D
И ты тут) Я тебя часто вижу на канале Изи
@@user-vm1hi7bo5s я ещё много где!
I managed to fix a 2500lm 20W led bulb with similar construction, a lot of extremely annoying resin, but i opened it without destroying it and reassembled it!
It took me about 2 hours, but as i buy those lamps in a local shop for $25, and i really like their light, it was worth it.
The fault in mine was an inrush resistor, an SMD one and way too tiny forthe power. So small that it was blinking at a low power because of arcing across the pins of the resistor!
These videos are just like a tasty snack! Thaks @DiodeGoneWild !
Maybe the 1mm thick (?) PCB flexed during the disassembly and caused the diode bonding to fail due to mechanical stress. I have rewatched the diode measuring part of the video and the probes where on the pins of the the diode close to the top, not on the pads, so I think the diode was faulty. I have seen this failure mode before a couple of times, that goes away after heating but reapappears after some random time.
It didn't happen during the disassembly. The diode was probably already disconnected during the test before the disassembly. The lamp drew some current, but didn't light up, so the fusible resistor probably made contact that time.
@@DiodeGoneWild you are right! A good example of engineering logic. Thanks again!
your videos are awesome , thanks man and i am waiting for the schematic of the 12V 50A 600W power supply
"because you can't open it without some violence"
your videos are awesome
Beautiful ideas
Nice videos sir learned a lot from videos
You have quite a smart cat, that understands electronics. :)
Your kitty is so clever !
Well, video is good and sound is also good.......at least for me. Nice work.
6:58 this noise reminds me slims in minecraft... which proves that this is partly slime LOL
Lol
New camera looks nice. Your audio sounds perfectly fine to me !!! Best way to improve your audio, use an External Microphone, experiment with different locations and directions. File compression settings. BigClive will have the best advice.
11:45 Literally was fixing a small resistive heater, 240VAC, 2KW, fan was working but wasn't heating. Found a thermal fuse that was open-circuit in series with the resistive wire, removed it by clipping the leads and replaced it. Works. Measured the failed one that I removed again, and now it was fine. Literally fixed itself, and what's even weirder is that it was crimped on since soldering would kill it, I measured at the leads of it - blown, clipped the leads and take it out - not blown. 🤔
Thanks Sir very informative and usefull vedio 👌
You can fix the dent of the electrolytic capacitor with wax, we clearly saw that it works! :D
well done teacher
15:40 the first electronics technician cat😀😀😀
Great video, you could reassemble the lamp with an old E27 base from an incandescent lamp and perhaps some electrical conduit pipe and see how long it will hang in there.
cool video! you could always rehouse the light!
Bro plz don't say this is your last video. Love from india.
2:35 That's what I thought shortly before cutting my hand... Try to scratch it with a knife to make sure - you cannot make a dent into glass.
This time “dry soldering gone wild”...nice! 😜
You are best bro
You need to get yourself the vise of knowledge like the one BigClive has.
Yeah people holding things in their hands and attacking said items with knives and saws and what have you makes me nervous. Least some Vise Grips. Big pair of pliers. Use something. Flesh is just so soft. Even plastic is beefier than we are.
I have the Knipex Cobra of knowledge
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very good
Hello Sir. Please complete the 12V, 50A power supply series with the full schematic description. Thanks!
the way u talk is so freaking hilarious lol
BigClive must be traveling. His electrical outlets don't look right and he seems to have picked up a strange accent..
This is not bigclive LOL. I think DiodeGoneWild has better knowledge than bigclive anyway...
@@Zebra_Paw I think they both are experts in what they're going.
@@Zebra_Paw MORE SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE, you need to know the component level breakdown sometimes and a block level diagram others and sometimes you just need to see the insulation and number of windings on a transformer!
@@frogz yes and that's also why it is interesting to watch!
Good one....
New camera video, cat vlog, cos the cat is awesome... :D
Very good, Muy interesante.Saludos
Super nice in depth explanation as always... :)
Have you tested the lidl powerbank yet? Is it any good?
Not yet, but it could be the next video ;)
I had Osram units similar to those and they failed miserably after less than one year. It was a 1 uF filter capacitor that dried and let out fast high voltage spikes to the Led string
Mumpitz! Sound and video quality are good enogh.
Waiting for the new camera footage 😝😝 I think u should do some MOT arcs with it like u did in ur old channel with 3 MOT banks 😝😝
THANKS
I was so shocked as you said "this is my last video"... Hopefully I will never hear that for real.
Here is a funny story.
I had ceiling light with 4 led bulbs and one of them was from lidl and other 3 were some random bulbs and a few years back lightning struck the electrical pole and all bulbs except lidl one blew up. Lidl bulb works to this day and it is over 5 years old and survived lightning strike !!!
I had a lamp exactly like that one, not from Lidl, it failed in exactly the manner you described. I even took it apart in the same way, breaking off chunks of the compound (I didn't damage the capacitor though) and found the same bad solder joint on the input but still didn't get it working, I didn't check any further.
Looks like the factory where they are made has a problem with soldering, possibly not enough heat at the ends of the boards.
you could use hammer and a flat screwdriver for the screw base removement, and a small sharp knife for cutting the glue
I have lot of these 10w LED 💡
The ironic thing is that even those these bulbs are more expensive than normal incandescent lights, they're supposed to save you money on bulbs as they're supposed to last allmost forever, but you actually spend more on bulbs because they keep breaking!
Agree. 😋
And i already stocked smd leds, caps n the chinese CC driver chip to fix them (n my neighbours lamps too).
I miss CFL bulbs
@@mernok2001 I don't. I don't miss those dim as all hell things at all. LED, Fluorescent and Incandescent are much better.
@@CoolDudeClem CFL is fluorescent bruh.Dont be surpries I miss them,I even miss vacuum tube TVs and radios despite im just 19,so i dodnt grow up with them.
Danke!
Nice
i hate when they fail specially early. i still got ones kinda like this one but 11 years old and still working. i had 2 do blinking flashing that were barely 2 years old. one of them i put in the fridge cause it only does it when it gets so hot. but since in the fridge its cool and only on for a very short period of time. it was a good spot for it and no need to throw it out.
Where there is one bad solder joint, it is fairly common to find more.
were the viewers complaining about the bad sound or about your accent? :):):) I enjoy your videos very much and also enjoy listening to your accent.
4:27 well designed. the leds at the center gets less power because they dont have good cooling/heatsink
According to the red dots of glue under the details, it was a kind of wave soldering. So bad solder joints is not clean surface or is not enough flux.
Resin is probably kind of anaerobic silicone.. Mystery China :D
your videos are already too good
now with new camera it will get even better...
Отличный канал. Спасибо за полезную информацию. Подписался.
well, every time the lamp lights up, the diode expiriences a huge current spike due to the capacitor inrush, so intermitent connection could defenetly caused the Diode to fail, and I had transistors suddenly start working after heating them up with a soldering iron.
This is exactly what i hate in led lamps - they randomly last less than filament, due to having multiple points of failure, amplified for bad quality components/quality. And good luck finding another one equal after 1-2y. (this is even worse on public illumination they are now scrapping fully operational HPsodium lamps.
Then, although they could be repaired, they chose not to allow it/difficult it. On top of this, filaments are now completely forbidden to be sold.
And c'mon, unless you are lighting up a christmas tree during all year, what are the real savings?
I've also had/tried to repair 3+ lamps over last few years, with mixed results. Thank you for the video.
Hi DGW,
analyzing all the blasts of the diode before replacement, you absolutely do not see the point of interruption of the weld.
This makes me think that the extra currents due to the false input contact, have interrupted the passage at some point inside the diode, very close to the welds which was then restored thanks to the desoldering.
P.S. perhaps the center diodes have been put in parallel to dissipate less power given the shape of the contact surface of the heatsink.
some of the other solder joints on that board look dodgy too, inconsistent fillets and a couple of visible cavities. depending on how long you forgot about it for, the lamp could be from the period when manufacturers were still adapting their processes to lead free solder. failures from poor soldering were quite prevalent for a few years following that change.
8:39 wow a diode gone wild!!!!!😜😜😜
That style of LED bulb was more common a few years ago. Or maybe it’s just that I’m buying cheap bulbs for US$1 (40, 60, 75, or 100 watt equivalents) with crude heat sinks and the simplest possible capacitive-dropper circuits.
Yes, it's a bit older. The new ones use a plastic covered heatsink so they can use a cheap capacitive dropper or a non-isolated buck regulator.
Diodes sometimes show short circuit
When u r testing in on PCB.
@ DiodeGoneWild -
"Bright Power" brand Chips are very common in LED electronics