Drop Down Doors [video
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- In todays video I show you how I go about fitting drop-down doors into a face-frame for a bed base. Enjoy!
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Magnetic catches - amzn.to/2RD0sXZ (US: similsr - amzn.to/2smhpYn)
Corner plates - amzn.to/2RopWZy (US: sorry, these seem to be a non-US item, closest I can find is a regular corner bracket - amzn.to/2FpLX37)
Drawer pull bit (T7112-1/2) - bit.ly/Drawer_pull
Festool ETS 150/5 - amzn.to/2sapsq9 (US: amzn.to/2ssbZgq)
Festool Granat abrasive - amzn.to/2xFD27a (US: amzn.to/2zl7F6b)
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Spax screws - amzn.to/2oYWydc (US: amzn.to/2oOjkDT)
Spax MDF screws - amzn.to/2pj5FX5 (US: amzn.to/2oOh7Zu)
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Bradawl - amzn.to/2qWTbln (US: amzn.to/2pZqVRm)
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Great vid Peter, really useful vid 👍🏻
Peter, I know you've probably heard this before but you are by far the most real world experience useful TH-camr that I've seen. Excellent skillset and presentation all around. I'm setting up myself as a hobbyist in a 12x16 space and following your path of using Festool for dust collection and accuracy in cramped quarters. Is it fair to say you almost exclusively build with MDF? And did I miss a video where you described how you got to where you are now? You always mention how you've done countless cabinets but how did it begin? Self interest or did you work for someone or take training? Keep on keeping on.
Thanks Matt and best of luck with the workshop build. In all honesty, it's probably easier if you just have a listen to the Measuring Up podcast I do with Andy Mac (Gosforth Handyman) either at MeasuringUpPodcast.com or in the podcast player of your choice, as we went through all this in Season 1 Episode 1. Short version - keen schoolboy woodworker got sidetracked by photography, went to art school then a degree in photography film & TV, pro photographer for ~15 years (not incl. education) but always kept 'handy', photography business tanks when I turn 40 in 2000, sell my studio, start a handyman business > carpentry business > kitchens & bathrooms > cabinetmaking > TH-cam > today. ~95% of my work is painted, so yes, mostly MDF with a little Birch ply. 👍
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 what is with people watching your excellent videos or any of the other excellent channels for that matter, and the giving a thumbs down very uncool.
Why not do the decent thing and find a channel that you like! and, stop the negatively.
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Haha! I know - I find it baffling, honestly, but I don't lose sleep over it. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I don't think I have EVER seen any channel with no downvotes... its just the nature of the beast...
Some of the most harmless & heart-warming vids & there they are, the downvoters !! 😂😂😂
I doubt if our PM is bothered ...oops !! He's not !!... 😏🙄
Don't know if I had it happen on youtube, but I have accidentally liked or disliked content when scrolling down the screen on mobile devices. That, and just some people are rubbish I guess
I would like to find your “spacers”. I usually use credit cards. I could not find them in your google list. Would you mind to add details? Love your videos!!!
Thanks! If it's not listed in the video description, there's a full list of stuff I use at bit.ly/stuff_I_use
Here's the plastic packers - amzn.to/2vCDN27 (US:amzn.to/2vHk4fZ)
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@@10MinuteWorkshop ...I looked in the google list but I did not know it would have been called "packers". Thanks so much!!
@@laurav6585 They're really useful - well worth having a bag handy! Sorry, yes, common name is packers, or shims 👍
I designed something similar for my workplace, but my design the door is a box. It has been used daily multiple times holding 10kg+.. not huge doors but easy access and has lasted so far 6 years. Constructed from melamine chipboard.
Very nice Peter. I just purchased a bosch tracksaw and the Bosch plunge saw. I could afford the price difference between the festool. There was a 10% price increase here in Australia.
Well done. My experience shows that measuring beforehand never works out. It might seem unprofessional, but nothing beats going step by step, holding it in place and screwing it down where it needs to go and it fits every time. You could measure the exact width of those magnetic latches, add the width of the door and screw it in place, but Murphy's law says the door is going to be proud by 1mm and if you think you're smart and just set it back 1mm, it's going to be 1mm shy.
That Murphy guy has a LOT to answer for... & I'm Irish !! 😂😂
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A little trick I’ve been using when fitting small items like angles or those magnetic catches is to mitre adhesive them into position before you pilot drill and screw. Helps me so it may help someone else. 😊👍👏👏👏
Neat! I sometimes use double-sided, but it wouldn't work with these catches as they're too strong.👍
CHEATER !!! 😂😂
What router-bit did you use for the handle cutout? And how did you set it up?
BD Jappe I was going to ask the very same thing Would be very interested to know the answer to this !
Sorry - missed this off the list; it's a drawer pull bit from Wealden Tools (T7112-1/2) - bit.ly/Drawer_pull.
This vid was about how the doors attach to the face-frame, so the finger-pulls weren't really part of the story. It's the same cutter as I use in the Console Table video #114, and exactly the same process, just 'stopped and started' against stops on the fence. 👍
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Thank you for clearing it out Peter. I need Christmas to happen again so I can send people my router-bit-wishlist. Well see you in the past then. Off to video #114
I would love Spax to fully convert to torx head and be done with pozi and philips heads.
Hell yeah !!
It's funny but when I'm using a cordless driver & stretching overhead to put a long-ish screw in, my right hand seems to be able to hold it in such a way as to not cam-out too badly.... but ... my LEFT hand ? I'm all over the place !! 😂😂😂😂
torx or robertson only please ....& melt down all the pozi &ph.... 😈😈
no paint? bought the terratec hplv sprayer on your recommendation to so some mdf for boxing in - absolute gem!
Plenty of paint on this one but no time to show it - as per the "No Video" video... Good to hear the Terratek is working for you - it's ridiculously good for the money! 👍👍
i just had to fit some hinges, nightmare! having your pointy awl thing to reach over the top and mark for screws looks so easy, but i had no way to get access with the doors closed as the other sides were already boxed in and not removable ... 4th attempt worked well enough and no one will see the other holes.....
Thank God for all that adjustment in 'em... 🙄😏
Hinges are a pain in the ass... but we need them... I'll say no more 😂😂😂
Amazing video as always. Do you have a video regarding the finger pulls?
Thanks. No specifically about these fingerpulls, no. 👍
Ooooo now that fits nice, really enjoyed this 👍
Oh Peter, as a Newbe maker I've discovered your channel and find it really helpful, but, now, having discovered you watch a channel for Liverpool FC, I'm prepared to go as far as saying, I now regard it as the greatest woodworking channel on the planet 😁
Haha, thanks! 👍👍
I call my Awl FUQ, I made it myself. If anybody asks me 'how much did it cost?' I say
'FUQ AWL'!
I'm in a reflective mood this evening Pete mate... 🙄
Fully adjustable hinges...
Pocket hole joinery...
MDF & ply material...
White finish...
etc...
It's funny but whilst I can ABSOLUTELY understand the innovation & popularity
of these & other modern inventions , I sometimes feel a little guilty not using more traditional materials & processes.
Make no mistake, I DO use them (the listed) & they are eminently suited to our modern furniture & cabinetry... 😂
I just wonder if you ever feel the same Pete ?
I understand the economics & efficiency arguments & I am in NO way knocking the modern
processes or your work , as you know I follow your channel avidly & learn something from every vid.
I guess I was just wondering if you ever get a hankering for a trad. style project using dovetails & "real" wood,
just for yourself , where theres no client involved & just for the hell of it ...😈
I do try a little myself though I cheat with my dovetail jig , router & other machinery...
As I'm under no time constraints, I have the luxery of taking as long as it will take... 🙄😏
I've also always believed one should NEVER turn a hobby into your main
source of income, the joy goes out of it pretty quickly... ☹️
I'm not sure if there's even a real question in here or its just rhetorical ramblings but I just felt the need to post it ! 😂
Perhaps its my late fathers influence, a cabinetmaker of the old school, trying to make a dent on me... 🤔
Anyhoo ... I loved the vid, as always , & love reading the comments of other viewers & subscribers...
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Great video Peter, I can not seems to find the door hinges you used on this video. Thanks 😊
Thanks. I used the Blum unstrung hinge, cranked for the inset application. Blum 70T3750 👍
I love your workshops!
Nice job and video. Thanks for sharing.
Only some minutes ago I received the notification but the video was published already 3 hours ago.
It seems that TH-cam is in shock that Brexit is maybe not going to happen at all :-)
I'm making shaka doors as per you vid earlier. I have no fear about making the doors but putting on the hinges I'm dreading. This vid will go a long way to helping me out.
I know it doesn’t matter that much here but I tend to use playing cards rather than plastic packers as they give you more adjustability.
thank for share, love yr videos so much
Thank you! 🙌
Enjoyed the video, thanks Peter. Like your approach to fitting it up. Tell me was the whole frame MDF? Looked like pretty thick sections in some places. Thanks again.
Thanks Bob! The frame was MDF, but with softwood rails top & bottom for the hinges to attach to, and for the bed slats to bear against 👍👍
A lovely little nugget to keep your you tuber mob happy … nice one yet again Peter !
those hinges on amazon say 110 degrees but they seem to only go 90degrees in the video? is this right? i need some for 38mm timber so can i use the same hinges? thanks again, keep up the great work Peter
As I think I say in the vid, the batten the hinges were mounted to sat slightly below the level of the opening, so that would account for the discrepancy. But I've always thought the 95/100/110 degree things is only ever a 'best case' measurement - better to use a wider-opening hinge if you need it. I've found the Blum 71B-755-01 155° hinges to be very good, much nicer to work with than the usual 170° hinges. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks peter. close to 90 is fine for what i need on this one. are those inset hinges?
The ones in the video were inset hinges, the 155 hinges you can get either inset or overlay, I think. 👍
top work peter looking forward to see the finished job enjoyed the video.
Excellent bit of information... The colored plastic shim gages, who’s makes them and where can I find them in the US.
Thanks! There’s a full list of stuff I use at bit.ly/stuff_I_use
You can get the plastic packers at Amazon - amzn.to/2vCDN27 (US:amzn.to/2vHk4fZ)
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Very interesting and helpful.
I always wished festool started their centrotec drills at 2 or 2.5mm dia so you didn't have to break out the 3 jaw chuck for the smaller size pilot drills. I use 2.5mm for most pilot holes as i like to have just a bit of compression on the shank of the screw. Then I found that Fisch did a combined 2.4mm drill and countersink that fits the centrotec chuck. You can even replace the drill bits. Well done Fisch! 👍😁
Thanks for that Neil! I’ll def. be getting hold of one of those Fisch bits 👍👍
Great video Peter, full of useful information as usual. Having seen you doing so much work in MDF I did wonder if the top and bottom rails were laminated from MDF, but decided they would be solid wood. Do you ever laminate MDF together for rails? (I think I've heard you mention that you do for some thicknesses of shelves).
Thanks! I do laminate MDF together sometimes, but you always have to bear the weight in mind, and it's abiity to take a fixing. Softwood rails top & bottom just made sense this time. 👍
Yet another very enjoyable and informative upload Peter.
Ps any idea when you’re doing the tracksaw project series? No pressure, but I think it will be something special for me.
You keep the faithful well supplied with great uploads week in and week out regardless so thanks for that.
Cheers.
Thanks! Tracksaw workshop is coming soon - about halfway through shooting/editing. 👍👍
Second lolol great video Pete. Off subject question how are you finding your titan bandsaw to set up.
Haven't touched it since I set it up, so absolutely fine, I guess! I talk about it a bit in the 'Cheap Bandsaws' video #148 - it was a bit more of a fiddle to set up than the other two, but once done it's held up well. 👍
Do you cut doors/face frame from a single sheet? I’ve tried it a few times and always been disappointed with the results due to the corners.
I try and get them out of the same sheet, but not ‘cut out in one’ if that’s what you mean? Too much gaffing around for not real benefit, I found. 👍👍
Exactly the video I was looking for!! Need these hinges for a tv cabinet door
Thanks! 👍
Greetings! Would you mind posting a link to the plates shown in the video that you used to reinforce the corners?
Thanks! Now included in the video description; Corner plates - amzn.to/2RopWZy (US: sorry, these seem to be a non-US item, closest I can find is a regular corner bracket - amzn.to/2FpLX37)
Hi Peter. Would the little hinge jig you use sometimes have worked with those hinges?
For spacing yes, but the issue is that the hinge jig is like a little bench hook - it needs to hook over the edge of the door/carcass for position, and the face-frame is flush with the back rail (that the hinges attach to) so there's nowhere for the jig to hook over. Easier in this case, just to fit the hinges to the door, offer it up into position, and mark them with an awl. 👍
How did you make the cut out handle?
Links in the video description to all tools and materials used. Drawer pull bit (T7112-1/2) - bit.ly/Drawer_pull
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks
Another Millard Masterclass!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cheers Alan! 👍👍
Great content Peter as always. It's just dawned on me...we get to watch you and your awesome content week after week but who on earth do you watch for your indulgence ??? No one gets close to being this good !!! Keep it up & thanks.
Haha, thanks! One of the great casualties of running a youtube channel is, sadly, watching TH-cam videos (and listening to podcasts) as you rarely have the time! I always watch Andy Mac's Gosforth Handyman channel, of course, and Keith Brown's Rag n Bone Brown. Jimmy Diresta's always does a good vid, been subbed to him for a long time, and ditto Joey Chalk at Kingpost Timberworks. Mike Farrington - as much for the workspace, as the projects! - and Matt Jackson at Next Level Carpentry. Always enjoy watching Matt at Badger's workshop, Karl Pountney at Strawbyte workshop, Tomasz at CasualDIY, and really happy to see my pal Chris Davison at Sharp Edge woodworking posting again. There's lots of others who I look in on but don't necessarily subscribe to, and a few non-maker channels too - Will Chidlow for Final Cut Pro advice, Think Media and Video Influencers for general youtube strategy, Spencer Klein for Seiko watches, Redmen TV for Liverpool football club etc.. etc.. As always, more channels than time... 👍
Peter Millard that is quite a list there !!!! Theres some of my favs there too ( after 10 minute workshop of course ) thanks for the reply. 👍🏼
@@10MinuteWorkshop And what about 'Scott Dimelow - Build Fix Create' Peter ;) I hope you've had a look at my homemade Festool Domino knock off, I'll be editing my first build where I put it to work very soon :)
Matt Jackson at Next Level is a GREAT guy & he seems like a very humble person too... love watchin him, he's recently moved into a new workshop ... 🤗
Stumpy is on my list too... 👍
When you didn't measure where to put the magnetic catches and just eye balled it my OCD flared right up! 😂
I would have used one of those soft opening support things (the name escapes me!) as well, I wouldn't trust regular hinges long term by itself
I assumed Peter would also use one those support stays, so was interested to see the use of kitchen cabinet hinges. Peter's arrangement is better as it avoids the need for a vertical member inside the frame to attach the stay to. Changing to hinges with a larger opening range would seem to be necessary in this case, as the current arrangement will not be strong enough if someone leans on the open door, as they are very likely to do. Peter mentioned he was considering changing to 170 degree hinges in the video.
@@tlangdon12 my only concern with going to 170° hinges would be damage to the top edge from it hitting the floor, especially if kids are opening and closing it
😂 Ease of access was a big issue for the client, so the drop-down stays would have got in the way, otherwise yes, I'd have used them 👍
‘‘Tis a beautiful fit Sir 👍🏻
Better to be lucky than good, I always say... 😆👍
That’s sweet Pete👍😉
hi peter where do you bye your 10 minute wood glue
Excellent work Peter, them draws/doors on the bed base fit like a glove 🧤👍
Are they mdf or wood?
Thanks Gavin! Face-frame and doors are all MR MDF 👍👍
First??
Yep, looks that way... 👍
Are you 10?
@@garethsharp4039 It seems (risby)2 :-)
Peter why dont you use piano hinges "Piano hinges,Peter dont care about no stinking piano hinges " Drill Drill Drill .....Drill Drill ,worse part about a day bed if you dont have access from both sides ,i think full extension drawers are the answer, but who wants it that way ,the customer ,and whos always right...lol looks good Peter have they got kids ,i see some repair work coming your way after they find out they can fit in there lol
Haha - no kids, Syd, but cats - lots of cats! 🤔😂
Piano hinges ? .... one word Syd... adjustability... 🙄😏
is that done with 500 or xl700?
500 - don’t own a 700 👍👍