UP 844 Derails in Sacramento
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- As UP 844 was backing its train over the newly laid lead into the California State Railroad Museum at Sacramento for display, the rear axle of the tender picked the switch points of the derail and one axle went on the gound. September 27, 2012.
I was there that day as a visitor and just happened to see the event take place. Had no idea anyone was videoing it. Thanks Gary. Word came back through the onlookers was that the cause of the derailment was that the crews put too much of a bend in that turn and the tender apparently does not have articulating wheels so it spit a couple out from the side load forces. Nice to know what happened after all these years.
Love the Amtrak trains saluting that old beauty
@@SCRM_Rail I’m not even American and I can still see it, it’s at 5:01
0:38 you can hear someone saying on the radio, “844! Stop! stop!”
I heard it
He sounds desperate I love it 😃👍🏻
Drivers probably like oh shit I’m toast
Interesting how "ancient methods" are used to rerail! Very cool!
Obviously you've never seen a Rotary Snow Plow in action.
3:39 The whistle sounds particularly good in this echoey area.
4:38 That’s A Great Whistle!
4014 may be big, but 844 whistle is bigger
0:27, after the guy says "wow", the tenders wheel derails.
That was really fascinating; using wood blocks to coax the tender truck back onto the rails. Added plus of the whistle exchanges too!
And this is why they always have a newer locomotive along for the ride.
That Amtrak engineer really wanted to hear another 844 whistle haha. The steam horn has so much more character than air.
Is amtrak saying hi to 844 wow they do have train life
It’s like,
844:hey 190!
190:hey 844!
And yes they do
Jaidyn curry Big boy 4014 No they dont-
TheoneonlyRobloxian In a way, yes.
no username In a way, *N O P E*
that steam whistle sounds so good . Must be the over passes channelling the sound . cool vid
UP just takes incredible care of their steamers
Probably the best Amtrak horn effects I heard in a long time.
Hold up Amtrak and a UP train?! And then a Amtrak rear cab with a e bell
liked the horn on the steam train, amazing sound.
Whistle.
It’s actually called a Whistle
whistle*
locomotive*
Union Pacific 4014 Productions Its stilla steam train-
@@journeythroughtherails5294
ay don’t piss big boy off
She didn't want to go back to the barn.
starbolin lol
He*
JourneyThroughtheRails this isn’t the big boy. this is living legend 844.
1950 Ford F-6 two-ton dump truck 844 is also Big boy’s brother. They are two men.
I dont really understand train anatomy much but I can see having so many wheels inline like that tender does would make taking curves abit harsh on the tender and track itself.
That is a very cool video! I have seen a few derailments but only got to film one minor one.
(Whispers) I wonder how he found me here
Maybe he wont know i am here XD
Excellent, steady, perfectly-framed videography, Gary.
Was it rerailed at the end of the video? Why not show the actual point of rerailing?
Why not zoom in on the derail points after the locomotive was clear of them?
Why was Amtrak blowing horn so often?
I once worked for three days straight helping re rail that engine in Las Vegas Nevada! Think it was around 89 or 90 before all the new hydraulic tools and we used good old fashioned spike mauls.
Up 844's second Hancock 3 chime whistle & another thrid
Up 844 blows it's currently whistle used in 2012-2013
Listen to the trains talking!
Yes, they are the new smart trains.
SurvivalSquirrel even the old are new
SurvivalSquirrel bla
This won't be the last rolling stock to pick that derail point on a CURVE. Bad idea.
Lots of advice from Amateurs on here....and why all the anti Union sentiment ?....jobs like this require one Man giving the Instructions and Signals, and a few others to carry out those Instructions.... not everyone piling in , getting in the way and possibly getting injured.....
As a construction worker I agree. Not everyone on site is needed 24/7. Same applies here. Too many ppl=injury
Amateurs and non-technical people in general should shut their pie holes and open their eyes and ears so they learn something. As for the anti-union sentiment, Americans today think what media tells them to think so their "opinions" are bought and paid for by the rich. Collective bargaining works for countries with highly productive labor forces (Germany worker for worker is far more productive than the US) but most Americans don't know that, either.
All things in moderation. Out of control unions can also destroy companies - the Postal Service can never be solvent now after caving in to outrageous pension plans decades ago.
Strikes are taking place in France now as President Macron is trying to streamline mass transit, especially the SNCF. The unions long ago succeeded in gaining "jobs for life" for their memberships along with many other perks which are losing the state-funded SNCF a fortune. The unions and French Communist party activists are fighting him tooth and nail, fearing privitization in the future.
It wasn't the Union that required them to fund pensions 3 generations down the line. It was congress that required that hoping to destroy the post office so their cronies can get the business
I was reading on a forum I guess prior management at UP steam program would hire contract company to do the work were critical of using union workers to restore the 4014 maybe I'm wrong seemed to be some friction between old management and new.
Now that is the way to run a railroad, 21 guys watching, one guy working. That is even better than most construction jobs.
Or working for any municipality haha
I counted 37 with only one maybe 2 guys actually doing anything. WOW that's some efficiency.
THE SUER GANG THE SUER BEING STOPPED MOST OF THE TIME
Cut them some slack. the 844 is a spectacle.
Being a construction worker sometimes all you can do is stand around. Trust me my boss man (me being his only employee ATM) is VERY particular about how he wants stuff done and most of the time won't let me do much I mostly bring him the tools. My cousin was working with us and we had a big job to work on this summer. But that plan fell in any now we're just doing little jobs here and there.
Saw the same thing with SP 4449 at Owosso steam fest back in 2009, except that the lead axle on the lead pony truck picked the switch point and derailed, got the re-railing on tape, took a while to get it back on, you just don't hurry up when moving almost 400 tons of loco
@1:45 check out those poling brackets, I kinda assumed they didn't have those by the time these were produced
So many Monday morning engineers in the comment section of this video.
Great video, sweet to see the new equipment (Metro) next to the old
This was a great steam locomotive.
It still is having never been retired from the UP roster it is the last steam locomotive ever purchased by UP. In recent years it has undergone a complete overhaul to keep it running just as well as it did during its regular service life.
was?
What they did to it was put the big boys whistle on it and remove the iconic red mars light which was original to the locomotive
"Was?" It still is!
You realize it’s still running?
Must have purchased the switch from MTH LOL!
Up 844 derail at Califórnia state railroad museum in sept 27th 2012
Hot rod revving & 844 drowns it out. Then a Dodge with a Cummins at the end. Even hear the turbo bark on the Cummins. Nice vid.
6:13
Very nicely put together video and very entertaining as well. Thanks for posting this.
LOVE that whistle...
Up 844 thursday 27th september 2012
Sorry about that, we (rail fans) sometimes forget things like that, Yes, MU is for Multiple Unit, one diesel (often the lead) can control all locomotives in the consist, including ones who are often on the back pushing (called a DPU -- distributed power unit). Both of the UP steam locomotives can control diesel locomotives. As for the point I have no idea, but some think it is because of the wheels of the tender could not make the tight turn.
Yes, both the 844 and 3985 Challenger have a MU connecter, and a control stand so they can be on the point and be MUed to diesels.
And problems with the MU caused the 844 Runnaway in Mt Pleasant TX in 2012
DAMN 844's Drowns out the amtrak K5LA!! @ 6:15!!
Nothing beats steam power baby.
Hell ya
Yup
awesome!
+Mbtafan1062 Productions The multi-tone horn is louder than the steam whistle. Also better heard by people who have hearing deficits.
In the case of UP 844, what additional complications, if any, contributed to the tender's aftmost axle hopping the switch rails? I've seen out-of-flat tracks before, and a wrong-way bank at a switch would be enough to trigger a derailment under the right circumstances.
Con el descarrilamiento ya no se pudo subir el tender a las vías ❓❓
So many of the old steamers have trouble with those switches. The revamped N & W " J " derailed off a switch as did others on rebuild or new style tracks.
Steam locos have always been hard on switches in curves, they're alot stiffer that a diesel or a piece of rolling stock
so.... how many people does it take to rerail one axle of a tender? :P
Great camera work, nice and smooth and fluid.
#844 is probably the first steam train to derail like that in well over the years since steam had stopped. Except for another steam train that had a major derailment in another country that I’ve seen a video of though.
I'm glad they noticed the derailment or something bad could have happened like completely coming of the tracks or crashing
Great video! I caught this from the other side of the tender. What an ordeal..
Great film! Made me excited for the UP 844 that developer Steambox is making for Train Sim 2013
Sound like AFT 4449 blows it's SP&S 700's whistle
Eu estava lá na sexta feira 28 de setembro de 2012
Up 844 está soprando o atualmente apito igual a voz do meu papai
After seeing her again for the first time in 13 years, of all things that would happen, I didn't think this would. She was back on the rails by the time I left on Amtrak about 7:15.
What a horn and whistle show!
Nice catch, That's great you captured it as it happened. Great video !
Interesting Scenes! And what a whistle concert:-)
Union pacific last steam engine was never retired
I saw Charlie. The one in the tan overalls, met him here in okla. when the train stopped in El Reno back in mm July I guess it was.
newly laid track? and the train derails? am I missing something?
Tender "picked" a switch.
Im sure that switch is there to derail any cars that escape the yard, to prevent them from crossing the main line.
I thought the two small rails (the one in between and the one just outside)are suppose to prevent something like this.also how can a car with that many wheels arranged like that suppose to negotiate any type of turn.
You are thinking of "check rails". Sometimes placed in curves and bridges to prevent rollingstock from derailing, and falling off, in the case of bridges. Where this happened, the loco tender derailed on a derail point. Called Catch Points here in Australia. It's a safety feature to derail runaway rollingstock which will prevent a collision with a train on another line. In this case, the crossover ahead of the tender. The loco tender has a swivelling bogie (US - truck) for the front pair of wheels. It's called a centipede tender, and it holds so much oil and water (25 000 gallons) that that many axles are need to spread the weight. There is a maximum weight allowed for each axle on the rails - the heavier the rollingstock, the more axles needed. The tender will go around curves just fine.
No lubrication will do this easily. Sharp curves or sharp switch points will allow "flange climb" with no lubricator fitted to the rail, Ive seen it many times, especially with freight cars. It also happens with worn out switch blades as they provide an ideal 'ramp' effect for flanges to climb up.
not to mention you caught a horn/whistle duel
You can actually see the rear axle drop off the rails at 0:28. Why did it derail ? Because the track curvature has a slight kink where the facing point blades begin. And this kink is obviously below the minimum radius possible for the long rigid tender chassis frame to negotiate. Whoever relaid this piece of track, should have removed the Point blades (US "switch blades") which were probably causing the kink during the track relaying of this "new lead".
When operating Gigantic American Mallet steam locos with catapillar type tender chassis frames, it must be remembered they do NOT have nice Diesel loco like Bogies (US "trucks") so cannot swivel like a diesel loco bogie. And reveal this irritating habit of derailing if the minimum radius of the track has NOT been checked, before said Monster arrives !!
Judging by the efficientcy of those around. In getting this awkward monster back on the track, in classic fashion using chunks of old sleepers (US "ties") I would guess they have had some previous practice !!
3 works and 20 supervisors yeah that sounds about wright for the railroad. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
4:00-6:17: horn VS whistle competition.
I remember watching this when I was 8 or 9!
At lest 36 guys standing around @ time hack 6:52.
They could have just lifted it up and put it back on the track.
do you know how much that thing weighs?
dennis trident william
Yes, 486,340 lb
Do you know what sarcasm is?
Great response! :)
Hahahaha!
that was not sarcasm
That's too bad, but that's great you got it all on film. That's pretty cool
I swear u see the wheel lift a bit, but maybe it closer to when the engineer picks up his hand. It must be a heavy locomotive since at such slow speeds it bent the track severely...
What was hanging over the last wheel on the tender? Was that a retailing frog of some sort?
WHAT DOES ' picked the switch points ' mean ? how did they rerail 844 ? i watched it but couldnt follow exactly what was done .
franklin field picking the point is when the wheel catches at the point where the two rails meet in a switch. Instead of going in the normal direction the wheel “picks” the point and follows the wrong track basically. Picking like picking at a scab...
To get it back on the correct track they basically stacked wood blocks under the wheel and it’s path and dragged it back onto the correct track. This is done all the time.
"I was at one derailment in AZ in the 80s where there were four factors."
What were the four factors?
Idk
I don't suppose it's because it has no articulated trucks giving it a wheel base length exceeding its ability to make the curve?
"Second, the car was empty" Really? I sure hope the tender was not empty. Kinda hard to run a steam loco without water and fuel!
New track, long wheel base tender. That's all it was.
At least it wasn't due to excessive speed. The train was rolling at a blistering 3 mph!
Blistering lol
the amtrak is confused its usually the one that derails!!
Amazing footage! Good catch! The other operation at the intersection was neat too! Don't hold up the line! :)
How many people does it take to put one alel of a train back on the rail? Apparently around 30
I suppose you noticed the "23,500 GALS" painted on the back of said tender?
Yup. Standard procedure in work zones. Trains have to repeatedly blast their horns so people know they're coming.
The first got at the beginning gets down to look at the truck and just stands there like "Well hot damn!"
This would have been bad if it happened on a busy single track mainline. At least it was out of the way of mainline traffic. NS has been having problems with the Southern 630 with axles overheating, they seemed to solve that problem with TVRM converting the last axle this year from grease to oil feed, after the overheating in VA during an employee excursion, forcing the two long distance public excursions in VA in July to be pulled by diesel. But, oil feed locked up during Sun 11 excursion in TN
What's the point of having a derail there anyway? It's doesn't deflect away from the main line.
Pelo que parece, o descarrilhamento foi causado pelo peso do trem. Ou seja, a locomotiva estava passando na curva e o peso do trem impediu que o engate do tender virasse, impedindo também que a roda do tender virasse e ela saiu pra fora do trilho.
Wait! I live in sacramento lol how come ive never seen this
How do you get to these locations?
Great video and editing.
i was in old sac for the up party,and we all saw the tender sitting there with the wheel on the air.your video has me confused. did they back in a second time?
does it happen at 0:42? hard to see...but it already bent those rails!
That's a beautiful whistle! Question, in the tender, is each pair of wheels an individual truck?
I love how when ever a Steam Locomotive Gets derailed and then when they get back onto the Track, the blow their whistle For a Celebration
Thank goodness they had the diesel there to take the water tender away cause that would have been a pain to try and rerail the centipede tender with the water tender
What are the two trains communicating to each other with that series of whistles/horn action?
the deisels where blowing two short blast with breaks in between to alert the workers nearby that there was a train in motion near the work sight that they may not be able to see the 844 was doing one short blast when it stopped and two when it moved forward
At 5:00 they should have gotten all of those workers to just lift the tender back onto the rails lol.
"MU"? Multiple Unit? Please explain abbreviations for us who do not know.
Was the derail point not tightly closed?
Thank you.
I know a Steam Boss who would have been off the engine, walking beside to observe BEFORE the wheels derailed. For some unknown reason, the current steam boss wouldn't do that.
SOUND OF BLOW OF IN THE END... YEAH!
Tim templeton as up #844
6:01 844: Hiii!
Amtrak Cab Car: Hello!