UP 844 Derails in Sacramento
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- As UP 844 was backing its train over the newly laid lead into the California State Railroad Museum at Sacramento for display, the rear axle of the tender picked the switch points of the derail and one axle went on the gound. September 27, 2012.
0:38 you can hear someone saying on the radio, “844! Stop! stop!”
I heard it
He sounds desperate I love it 😃👍🏻
Drivers probably like oh shit I’m toast
Love the Amtrak trains saluting that old beauty
@@SCRM_Railfan I’m not even American and I can still see it, it’s at 5:01
Interesting how "ancient methods" are used to rerail! Very cool!
Obviously you've never seen a Rotary Snow Plow in action.
3:39 The whistle sounds particularly good in this echoey area.
4:38 That’s A Great Whistle!
4014 may be big, but 844 whistle is bigger
I was there that day as a visitor and just happened to see the event take place. Had no idea anyone was videoing it. Thanks Gary. Word came back through the onlookers was that the cause of the derailment was that the crews put too much of a bend in that turn and the tender apparently does not have articulating wheels so it spit a couple out from the side load forces. Nice to know what happened after all these years.
Hold up Amtrak and a UP train?! And then a Amtrak rear cab with a e bell
Excellent, steady, perfectly-framed videography, Gary.
Was it rerailed at the end of the video? Why not show the actual point of rerailing?
Why not zoom in on the derail points after the locomotive was clear of them?
Why was Amtrak blowing horn so often?
Is amtrak saying hi to 844 wow they do have train life
It’s like,
844:hey 190!
190:hey 844!
And yes they do
Jaidyn curry Big boy 4014 No they dont-
TheoneonlyRobloxian In a way, yes.
no username In a way, *N O P E*
0:27, after the guy says "wow", the tenders wheel derails.
So many Monday morning engineers in the comment section of this video.
She didn't want to go back to the barn.
starbolin lol
He*
JourneyThroughtheRails this isn’t the big boy. this is living legend 844.
1950 Ford F-6 two-ton dump truck 844 is also Big boy’s brother. They are two men.
Must have purchased the switch from MTH LOL!
6:13
Lots of advice from Amateurs on here....and why all the anti Union sentiment ?....jobs like this require one Man giving the Instructions and Signals, and a few others to carry out those Instructions.... not everyone piling in , getting in the way and possibly getting injured.....
As a construction worker I agree. Not everyone on site is needed 24/7. Same applies here. Too many ppl=injury
Amateurs and non-technical people in general should shut their pie holes and open their eyes and ears so they learn something. As for the anti-union sentiment, Americans today think what media tells them to think so their "opinions" are bought and paid for by the rich. Collective bargaining works for countries with highly productive labor forces (Germany worker for worker is far more productive than the US) but most Americans don't know that, either.
All things in moderation. Out of control unions can also destroy companies - the Postal Service can never be solvent now after caving in to outrageous pension plans decades ago.
Strikes are taking place in France now as President Macron is trying to streamline mass transit, especially the SNCF. The unions long ago succeeded in gaining "jobs for life" for their memberships along with many other perks which are losing the state-funded SNCF a fortune. The unions and French Communist party activists are fighting him tooth and nail, fearing privitization in the future.
It wasn't the Union that required them to fund pensions 3 generations down the line. It was congress that required that hoping to destroy the post office so their cronies can get the business
I was reading on a forum I guess prior management at UP steam program would hire contract company to do the work were critical of using union workers to restore the 4014 maybe I'm wrong seemed to be some friction between old management and new.
And this is why they always have a newer locomotive along for the ride.
This was a great steam locomotive.
It still is having never been retired from the UP roster it is the last steam locomotive ever purchased by UP. In recent years it has undergone a complete overhaul to keep it running just as well as it did during its regular service life.
was?
What they did to it was put the big boys whistle on it and remove the iconic red mars light which was original to the locomotive
"Was?" It still is!
You realize it’s still running?
Listen to the trains talking!
Yes, they are the new smart trains.
SurvivalSquirrel even the old are new
SurvivalSquirrel bla
This won't be the last rolling stock to pick that derail point on a CURVE. Bad idea.
That is a very cool video! I have seen a few derailments but only got to film one minor one.
(Whispers) I wonder how he found me here
Maybe he wont know i am here XD
Hot rod revving & 844 drowns it out. Then a Dodge with a Cummins at the end. Even hear the turbo bark on the Cummins. Nice vid.
liked the horn on the steam train, amazing sound.
Whistle.
It’s actually called a Whistle
whistle*
locomotive*
Union Pacific 4014 Productions Its stilla steam train-
@@journeythroughtherails5294
ay don’t piss big boy off
the amtrak is confused its usually the one that derails!!
Interesting Scenes! And what a whistle concert:-)
newly laid track? and the train derails? am I missing something?
Tender "picked" a switch.
Im sure that switch is there to derail any cars that escape the yard, to prevent them from crossing the main line.
3 works and 20 supervisors yeah that sounds about wright for the railroad. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Up 844 derail at Califórnia state railroad museum in sept 27th 2012
Up 844 blows it's currently whistle used in 2012-2013
that steam whistle sounds so good . Must be the over passes channelling the sound . cool vid
UP just takes incredible care of their steamers
Up 844's second Hancock 3 chime whistle & another thrid
Sound like AFT 4449 blows it's SP&S 700's whistle
That Amtrak engineer really wanted to hear another 844 whistle haha. The steam horn has so much more character than air.
Up 844 está soprando o atualmente apito igual a voz do meu papai
Eu estava lá na sexta feira 28 de setembro de 2012
Up 844 thursday 27th september 2012
Another reason to junk this bucket!
Probably the best Amtrak horn effects I heard in a long time.
Union pacific last steam engine was never retired
Saw the same thing with SP 4449 at Owosso steam fest back in 2009, except that the lead axle on the lead pony truck picked the switch point and derailed, got the re-railing on tape, took a while to get it back on, you just don't hurry up when moving almost 400 tons of loco
Tim templeton's 10th years old
so.... how many people does it take to rerail one axle of a tender? :P
Up 844 pulls point of derail accident
Up 844's (south park Hancock)
"Second, the car was empty" Really? I sure hope the tender was not empty. Kinda hard to run a steam loco without water and fuel!
New track, long wheel base tender. That's all it was.
Watch your fingers!
Now that is the way to run a railroad, 21 guys watching, one guy working. That is even better than most construction jobs.
Or working for any municipality haha
I counted 37 with only one maybe 2 guys actually doing anything. WOW that's some efficiency.
THE SUER GANG THE SUER BEING STOPPED MOST OF THE TIME
Cut them some slack. the 844 is a spectacle.
Being a construction worker sometimes all you can do is stand around. Trust me my boss man (me being his only employee ATM) is VERY particular about how he wants stuff done and most of the time won't let me do much I mostly bring him the tools. My cousin was working with us and we had a big job to work on this summer. But that plan fell in any now we're just doing little jobs here and there.
I dont really understand train anatomy much but I can see having so many wheels inline like that tender does would make taking curves abit harsh on the tender and track itself.
At 5:00 they should have gotten all of those workers to just lift the tender back onto the rails lol.
Up 844 accident in sacramento
That was really fascinating; using wood blocks to coax the tender truck back onto the rails. Added plus of the whistle exchanges too!
In the case of UP 844, what additional complications, if any, contributed to the tender's aftmost axle hopping the switch rails? I've seen out-of-flat tracks before, and a wrong-way bank at a switch would be enough to trigger a derailment under the right circumstances.
At least it wasn't due to excessive speed. The train was rolling at a blistering 3 mph!
Blistering lol
DAMN 844's Drowns out the amtrak K5LA!! @ 6:15!!
Nothing beats steam power baby.
Hell ya
Yup
awesome!
+Mbtafan1062 Productions The multi-tone horn is louder than the steam whistle. Also better heard by people who have hearing deficits.
WHAT DOES ' picked the switch points ' mean ? how did they rerail 844 ? i watched it but couldnt follow exactly what was done .
franklin field picking the point is when the wheel catches at the point where the two rails meet in a switch. Instead of going in the normal direction the wheel “picks” the point and follows the wrong track basically. Picking like picking at a scab...
To get it back on the correct track they basically stacked wood blocks under the wheel and it’s path and dragged it back onto the correct track. This is done all the time.
Tim templeton as up #844
And then at 5:11, a V8
Not going to lie, I would probably do that
amtrak is whistling off because of all the workers around the job site to warn them of a train coming
Great video, sweet to see the new equipment (Metro) next to the old
You can actually see the rear axle drop off the rails at 0:28. Why did it derail ? Because the track curvature has a slight kink where the facing point blades begin. And this kink is obviously below the minimum radius possible for the long rigid tender chassis frame to negotiate. Whoever relaid this piece of track, should have removed the Point blades (US "switch blades") which were probably causing the kink during the track relaying of this "new lead".
When operating Gigantic American Mallet steam locos with catapillar type tender chassis frames, it must be remembered they do NOT have nice Diesel loco like Bogies (US "trucks") so cannot swivel like a diesel loco bogie. And reveal this irritating habit of derailing if the minimum radius of the track has NOT been checked, before said Monster arrives !!
Judging by the efficientcy of those around. In getting this awkward monster back on the track, in classic fashion using chunks of old sleepers (US "ties") I would guess they have had some previous practice !!
LOVE that whistle...
What was hanging over the last wheel on the tender? Was that a retailing frog of some sort?
I'm glad they noticed the derailment or something bad could have happened like completely coming of the tracks or crashing
not to mention you caught a horn/whistle duel
They don't call it a Union for nothing.
i was in old sac for the up party,and we all saw the tender sitting there with the wheel on the air.your video has me confused. did they back in a second time?
844 you had a bad day girl didnt you. Like a human tooth ache a wheel off track for you ouch she is crying hay she has a heart the fire engine that burns the steam
"I was at one derailment in AZ in the 80s where there were four factors."
What were the four factors?
Idk
4:25 los de amtrak: pobre infeliz igual union pacific no sabe construir trenes
Yup. Standard procedure in work zones. Trains have to repeatedly blast their horns so people know they're coming.
Thank goodness they had the diesel there to take the water tender away cause that would have been a pain to try and rerail the centipede tender with the water tender
844: yep another year another fricking wheel wanting to come off damit
Con el descarrilamiento ya no se pudo subir el tender a las vías ❓❓
I want to both ride and drive union pacific just like this!
What a horn and whistle show!
Great camera work, nice and smooth and fluid.
SOUND OF BLOW OF IN THE END... YEAH!
I swear u see the wheel lift a bit, but maybe it closer to when the engineer picks up his hand. It must be a heavy locomotive since at such slow speeds it bent the track severely...
After seeing her again for the first time in 13 years, of all things that would happen, I didn't think this would. She was back on the rails by the time I left on Amtrak about 7:15.
For a heads up there is two TH-cam users named Cochcoach2008 & GerhrardSchroeder that love to commit on videos like this one and leave remarks like this All Steam Locomotives operational or not need to be scrapped out for the metal they are made of because they are no longer needed in this day and age of diesel locomotives and the U.S. needs the iron and steel from these relics of scrap iron so look out for them.
0:38 Ya really did it this time
She didn't do it this time her tender did it
#844 is probably the first steam train to derail like that in well over the years since steam had stopped. Except for another steam train that had a major derailment in another country that I’ve seen a video of though.
Very nicely put together video and very entertaining as well. Thanks for posting this.
2 working with 35 standing back and watching trying to spot one of the 2 doing something wrong they can jump on. Yep sounds about right.
What's the point of having a derail there anyway? It's doesn't deflect away from the main line.
I know a Steam Boss who would have been off the engine, walking beside to observe BEFORE the wheels derailed. For some unknown reason, the current steam boss wouldn't do that.
This would have been bad if it happened on a busy single track mainline. At least it was out of the way of mainline traffic. NS has been having problems with the Southern 630 with axles overheating, they seemed to solve that problem with TVRM converting the last axle this year from grease to oil feed, after the overheating in VA during an employee excursion, forcing the two long distance public excursions in VA in July to be pulled by diesel. But, oil feed locked up during Sun 11 excursion in TN
I hate it when this happens the old girl derails looks like they will have to use wood slugs to get #844 back on the rails.
I once worked for three days straight helping re rail that engine in Las Vegas Nevada! Think it was around 89 or 90 before all the new hydraulic tools and we used good old fashioned spike mauls.
Wow, 844 just made history in this video! It derailed during the final excursion for the 150th anniversary! LOL
well not every run goes smoothly. This was a mere hiccup for UP 844.
I love how when ever a Steam Locomotive Gets derailed and then when they get back onto the Track, the blow their whistle For a Celebration
I don't suppose it's because it has no articulated trucks giving it a wheel base length exceeding its ability to make the curve?
they just had to place the derail in the curve. that person should be fired for engineering it there. bad idea. this cost money.
Why do they use the point style derails so much? Seems like it's just asking for trouble.
Wouldn't a clamp over derail (whatever they're called) make more sense here? The kind that swings beside the rail and over the rail.
NOVA Dash Cam and the
NOVA Dash Cam you cant blame the engineer for this probably it could've jumped the switch and you cant control that
I spotted 4 representatives for the restoration project, a project foreman, financial advisor, 6 track workers, 2 lead yard foreman, 1 uniformed conductor, 1 lead advisory and the rest are minions
The CSRM wouldnt let the foundations track inspector look ate the work that had been completed before the 844 arrived. Had the director not been so arrogant this wouldnt have happened. Chalk it up to another stupid state official with no actual railroad knowledge trying to mirco manage the museum.
I saw Charlie. The one in the tan overalls, met him here in okla. when the train stopped in El Reno back in mm July I guess it was.
Sorry about that, we (rail fans) sometimes forget things like that, Yes, MU is for Multiple Unit, one diesel (often the lead) can control all locomotives in the consist, including ones who are often on the back pushing (called a DPU -- distributed power unit). Both of the UP steam locomotives can control diesel locomotives. As for the point I have no idea, but some think it is because of the wheels of the tender could not make the tight turn.
I do not care for delays (who does?) but if I were a pasenger on that Amtrak train, that'd be the one day I would not mind!
No lubrication will do this easily. Sharp curves or sharp switch points will allow "flange climb" with no lubricator fitted to the rail, Ive seen it many times, especially with freight cars. It also happens with worn out switch blades as they provide an ideal 'ramp' effect for flanges to climb up.
I thought the two small rails (the one in between and the one just outside)are suppose to prevent something like this.also how can a car with that many wheels arranged like that suppose to negotiate any type of turn.
You are thinking of "check rails". Sometimes placed in curves and bridges to prevent rollingstock from derailing, and falling off, in the case of bridges. Where this happened, the loco tender derailed on a derail point. Called Catch Points here in Australia. It's a safety feature to derail runaway rollingstock which will prevent a collision with a train on another line. In this case, the crossover ahead of the tender. The loco tender has a swivelling bogie (US - truck) for the front pair of wheels. It's called a centipede tender, and it holds so much oil and water (25 000 gallons) that that many axles are need to spread the weight. There is a maximum weight allowed for each axle on the rails - the heavier the rollingstock, the more axles needed. The tender will go around curves just fine.