The WORST Consumer Unit I've Ever Seen!

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  • @mitch123456789
    @mitch123456789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I'd imagine working with Jordan as your boss would be cool. I've worked with people before who would shout at you for not knowing the correct cable size or amps you never learn with people like that. Where as Jordan is very supportive and spends alot of time with his engineers. Class.

    • @AsakuraAvan
      @AsakuraAvan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So much macho toxicity within the trades, and people wonder why no one wants to work in it

  • @highflowhighflow9896
    @highflowhighflow9896 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    the way houses are installed are so weird and complicated... the way we doing electric installations in the netherlands are much more simple and easyer for maintenance. No rings, just 16 amps breakers which disconnect phase and neutral. Normally every room has a junctionbox in the ceiling were incoming power is split to sockets, lightswitches and other lightpoints. Wiring is standard through pvc pipes so mostly wires are replaceble too.

  • @geraldelwood9660
    @geraldelwood9660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    As Lewis T. says; it seems the neutral is fused. Far more noteworthy than fussing over excess cabling in the C.U.
    If I'm doing a board change I'm very grateful that the previous electrician didn't shorten the cables just to make it look neat.

    • @contytub
      @contytub 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You can make it look neat without shortening the cables but yep . Take longer cables over neat if the guy can't do both

  • @skabbymuff111
    @skabbymuff111 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Brilliant to see a seasoned spark taking the time to help and teach someone properly and with patience like this. Absolutely beautiful. Without help like this, nobody would ever learn.

  • @artisanelectrics
    @artisanelectrics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    1 like gives Jordan an extra ladder step to climb on... (Serious note be safe on ladders everyone!)

    • @herrtomas6729
      @herrtomas6729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Read HSE guidance on working height, and your number of points of contact on the steps/ladders.

    • @stephenwilliams6103
      @stephenwilliams6103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@herrtomas6729 3

    • @stephenwilliams6103
      @stephenwilliams6103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I worked as a telecom engineer out in the field for 25yrs😁. Loved the job😁, Just the BS got to me 😏, oh 😠& idiot managers😠😠. Anyways🤔, ladders are safe when used correctly, & using the right ladders/steps for the task in hand, also common sence 😁🇬🇧🇬🇧

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    18:50 Re. finding a break, if you know there is nothing connected to the circuit, measuring capacitance to earth of each side can give an indication of distance to the break - lower capacitance = shorter distance.

    • @Adam_151
      @Adam_151 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd just disconnect the lives one at a time from the MCB and power up to show up whats on each side, for extra points do some loop impedance tests between L-N each side to find out which is the furthest point on each side of the break (L-N rather than L-E as the high current test is much more accurate than the non-trip range , and for greater accuracy you could take the matching N out of the board as well and not have issues with parallel pats etc). If you then have a leg between two sockets in different parts of the building thats open that appears to have nothing in between, the capactance idea could be useful, but maybe not as useful as one of the cable toners that the telecom guys use :)

  • @tombarrett1487
    @tombarrett1487 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Argh!!! Two videos in a row where Jordan had said, "Amps of power". This triggers the science teacher in me massively 😂

  • @LeoH3L1
    @LeoH3L1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I few years back I (stupidly) took a job at a fertiliser plant on immingham docks as a maintenance spark, and all the electrics looked like that, and it was impossible to get any time to even begin to even investigate anything, let alone sort anything out due to them not wanting any machine down time.
    Thank god I don't work there any more, how it hasn't gone up in flames is beyond me.

  • @MrGreenYeti
    @MrGreenYeti ปีที่แล้ว +6

    if I had to choose between being an electrician and a plumber, I would defo choose being a plumber. As it's a lot harder to drown yourself when working in someone's house.

    • @donduck6621
      @donduck6621 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ya and they make more and stick together unlike us cut throats.....lol

  • @DoctorElectricYouTube
    @DoctorElectricYouTube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    did you notice the fused Neutral on the old metal switch?
    Good point regarding the adapter plug/socket.
    I love the Bosch Go 2 screwdriver, always use it, except on a chrome accessory.
    You're correct that you shouldn't repair faults on an EICR, my tutor taught me this on my recent 2391 course, you should only have your inspectors hat on(but if it's a simple fault we will do it there and then, same as everyone else!)
    Well done Luke.
    Good video!!!

    • @Shanky_TH9540
      @Shanky_TH9540 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      seems like he didn't even no what he was looking at....possiblky the biggest defect on this installation and the most interesting talking point for a video yet it seems like he didn't even notice

  • @henryeadie7972
    @henryeadie7972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Wago should make 60amp inline connectors for showers, seems like every spark finds the same with showers

  • @TrainDriverRob
    @TrainDriverRob 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Call out the boss on safety? Too bloody right, lives have been lost on the track, in the air and in hospitals where youngsters have been afraid to challenge the gaffer who’s done the job for 30 years.

  • @Sku11Leader
    @Sku11Leader 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Cory will be very happy you're having to hire 2 electricians to replace him.

  • @JamieRyan92
    @JamieRyan92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The only time I put limitation down for sockets behind appliances is if the flooring is of the soft cushion vinyl type. Do NOT want to risk tearing!

  • @ponsholm
    @ponsholm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I don’t live in the EMEA region, I hate everything about electricity and plumbing, however, a big fan and subscriber of your channel. Hopefully I don’t speak for all, but what I want is a payoff video.
    You always showcase all of the old dangerous consumer units, spaghetti and crappy work, and incoming 50 year old power.
    What I want is a complete video from start to finish showcasing old work and new replacement work from Artisan!
    👍🏻

    • @artisanelectrics
      @artisanelectrics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We can’t often do that in one video so you usually see the initial inspection and then we come back and fix it another day and do a separate video on that but maybe we can try and do a montage of the whole lot before and after one time

  • @waithereivegonetogethelp3240
    @waithereivegonetogethelp3240 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    What I don't understand is why on step ladders they have usable steps above the last step you should use? Above the last 'proper' step they should put thin metal bracers that won't take any weight, then they wouldn't need to have stickers saying not to step higher. Eejits.

    • @ianmontgomery7534
      @ianmontgomery7534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the reason I expect is that the steps provide structural rigidity to the steps and a unit and a metal bracer would not. the small ladder shown is a waste of time if you can only use the bottom step.

  • @johnhatton7137
    @johnhatton7137 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a long retired electrician brought up on 11th edition, I almost fell about laughing when I saw the BILL Double pole switch fuse being used in such a manner. This component should have been in a museum or a skip many years ago.

    • @elliotgray9666
      @elliotgray9666 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      11th Edition- 1939, before my time 😊

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    21:00 if you've already got the socket off, why not just replace it there & then instead of leaving a potentially dangerous situation - surely you keep a few sockets on the van..?

    • @jonathanInLondonUK
      @jonathanInLondonUK 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      May be even replace it with a surface mounted double!

    • @negatron8.486
      @negatron8.486 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      When u get an MOT done do they replace things for you there and then?

    • @jonathanInLondonUK
      @jonathanInLondonUK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@negatron8.486 If the car was considered a fire risk, I would hope they wouldn't let me drive away. YMMV.

    • @negatron8.486
      @negatron8.486 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonathanInLondonUK fire risk, crash risk, they are there to do a report not fix things and they would let you drive away.

    • @jonathanInLondonUK
      @jonathanInLondonUK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@negatron8.486 Happy to recommend my electrician and my local garage to you. Both understand their moral duty.

  • @muffinmonster8511
    @muffinmonster8511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That’s too many cables to handle! Just bin the box 😂

  • @CameraTim-DAMMITDOTcom
    @CameraTim-DAMMITDOTcom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I had a dodgy wall socket in the bedroom that would fail/work if you lightly touched it. Eventually I decided I'd replace it, assuming a bad switch or socket. I undid the mounting screws and the entire thing fell off. Not one of the wires was screwed in. Not just loose, not screwed in at all. The grub screws were all the way out as far as they could go. The only thing making it work was the way the thick copper wiring was splayed outwards, just its spring pressure holding against the wiring holes. It'd been like that for 20 years (since the house was built). To make matters worse, the wall socket wiring also lead to a wall mounted 500 watt bar radiator in the same room, and another one in the bathroom (one thing daisy chained to another). Professional installation, my foot!

    • @evanfpv
      @evanfpv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ok DIY Dave

    • @CameraTim-DAMMITDOTcom
      @CameraTim-DAMMITDOTcom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@evanfpv I'm an electronics engineer, not an electrician. I wouldn't lay cables around a house, but replacing a socket is child's play. I couldn't possibly make it any worse than it already was.

    • @adamsharp201
      @adamsharp201 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CameraTim-DAMMITDOTcom So you arent a qualified electrician?! Your comment means nothing to approved electricians like me who went to college for 4 years then passed there testing and Inspection. Cheers

    • @CameraTim-DAMMITDOTcom
      @CameraTim-DAMMITDOTcom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@adamsharp201 Really, which bit don't you like?
      That I can criticise the electrician involved in building the house in 1965 for doing a shite job? Which they did. I could list a few other things, too:
      The fuseboard that looks like an 11 year old did it, with a tangle of wires all around each other. The electrician who lost the screws holding the fuseboard in place and didn't replace them. The electrician who routed wires behind the hinging bar behind the fuseboard so they're pinched against the metal cabinet. All the powerpoints for the entire house on one 16 amp fuse. All the lights for the entire house on one 8 amp fuse.
      Each only having just one lead out each from the fuseboard, daisy chaining around the house, so you couldn't possibly separate parts of the house onto individual breakers without removing most of the roof and floorboards. A foot of several joined lighting wiring twisted around themselves in a corkscrew above a light socket that's also the junction point for many more light fittings (it rubbed through some of its insulation and started to smoke). Lighting cable that went over (instead of under) a roof rafter and was squashed between the wooden beam and the corrugated iron roof (which was later pierced by the contractors installing solar panels who put a bolt right through the middle of it, and never bothered to check all the power was working before they left).
      That as an electronics engineer and diagnostic fault finding serviceman of over 30 years I'm more than capable of doing the childishly simple job of fitting a wall socket without fouling it up in the most basic way (not screwing in the wires)?
      (Something that's much easier than fitting a plug on an appliance cable, actually. Solid copper is easier to get into a wall plate screw terminals than stranded wire into a plug, and has far more space to work in than a plug.)
      I work on equipment far more complex than house wiring, and I don't make the balls-up of it that the so-called electrician did wiring our house up. I can't even imagine an apprentice electrician doing the job as bad as our house's wiring.

    • @johnbull5394
      @johnbull5394 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I suspect a lot of DIY electrical work (and replacing a socket isn't even notifiable) stems from industry professionals doing bad work. Some sparkies are meticulous and some are very rough and ready in their approach. Recently found several sockets and several metal lights in a relative's house (cables in conduit) had not been earthed because the installer (and I still have the paperwork) apparently forgot to pull an earth cable to connect back to the main earth terminal. There was some green/yellow wire but not all the way.
      Obviously some would say I should leave it to the professionals. Sadly, some professionals aren't worthy of the name. The good ones are always very busy and don't need to rely on job protectionism to get business, so it's not like if I pull a few earth cables I'm putting anyond out of a job.

  • @whiggins101
    @whiggins101 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Watching these makes me appreciate our North American style panelboards. So much more room to work with. Also, the electrical code requires a 30" working width and 36" of clear space in front of the panelboard (more space required for higher voltages). Maximum circuit breaker handle height is 6'-7". These rules are to provide a safe working environment for the electrician. Different country, so different rules for sure.

    • @thesteelrodent1796
      @thesteelrodent1796 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      most of the European countries have similar regulations regarding placement and accessibility of the boards. We've also got regulations about keeping all the electrics together, so you cannot have the main breaker in one place and the rest of breakers in a different place. But the UK apparently have some archaic regulations that are completely out of touch, especially since things like 35 A circuits in an ordinary house without any kind of RCD is completely bonkers. In the rest Europe we split the circuits if you need that much power and it's extremely rare to see an installation that allows more than 60 A per phase

  • @christopherhulse8385
    @christopherhulse8385 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good old double pole fusing, believe that went out in the 1950s/60s?

  • @moonshahzad536
    @moonshahzad536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Haha at 28:02 Luke did you unplug the fridge for IR on the ring and Luke was like yeah ( the way he sounded he definitely didn’t )

  • @adamswindell7928
    @adamswindell7928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great video.... your channel was a massive help when going through my apprenticeship! Keep up the good work.

  • @nickhornblow537
    @nickhornblow537 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    at 7:02 i love how Luke was a Naughty boy as he stood on the top of the step ladder before the boss man did but only points it out to the camera man haha classic. i love the vids keep up the good work guys you do great work

  • @lewistempleman9752
    @lewistempleman9752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Also looks like there was fuses in both Line AND in Neutral inside that isolator !?

    • @jackaitkenproductions3305
      @jackaitkenproductions3305 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      also noticed that the neutral was fused common practice back then

    • @johnbull5394
      @johnbull5394 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A later electrician may have put a bit of thick wire on the neutral side to avoid having a fused neutral.

  • @TheChipmunk2008
    @TheChipmunk2008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    with open circuit rings, i tend to short the faulty wire to another at the CU, then go round with the megger and find at what point that link disappears, that gives you a decent indication of where the break might be

  • @darren424242
    @darren424242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Having only ever seen ring circuits in electrical substations here in Australia it always suprises me to see it commonly used in the UK. I guess that is why you need to have a separate fuse for pretty much everything.

    • @benjones1180
      @benjones1180 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Trying to get away from it now became common practice after the war to save copper but more and more going back to radial circuits now

    • @duzzah
      @duzzah 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can't run conductors in parallel under 4mm and have to protect the individual cable not the combined rating, so not really any point in rings.

    • @tobysherring1369
      @tobysherring1369 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is the main reason for the fused plug, yes. Rings are fine until someone fiddles with them, which is all too common - a broken ring is very dangerous, as is the wiring of spurs onto spurs without a fused connection unit.

    • @Stettafire
      @Stettafire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@benjones1180 radial mains in nearly all houses here, but not in PRC builds cus the walls in those are pure concrete. PRC builds have spurs

    • @CrimeVid
      @CrimeVid ปีที่แล้ว

      Fused plugs !

  • @philipsmith0752
    @philipsmith0752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    great video guys . good to see Luke doing so well

  • @danielelise7348
    @danielelise7348 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That shower connection,or lack of connection,is just downright piss poor,I can't believe someone would be so negligent,with a device that draws as much current as a shower, it's rubbish like that,that will burn someone's house down & land you in the Coroner's Court to answer some pretty serious questions,SMH😡🤬

  • @wolflouis_official
    @wolflouis_official 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Interesting as always! Also, I think there should be a (legal) movement in actually identifying the installer and making an official report mandatory since it's gonna come down to some serious house fire one day.. probably not the only install that individual has done init haha

    • @jamieisbadiof6106
      @jamieisbadiof6106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      the installer might have done a really neat job of it, and then the cowboys come along over the years with maintainance and adding circuits in and messing it all up, especially DIYers. its hard to put the installers name to stuff like this unless its a new install...

    • @wolflouis_official
      @wolflouis_official 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jamieisbadiof6106 true, but that then has to be investigated. Property owner knows best who’s been in and out to perform changes to the installation. Thereby, but of course also can be tampered with, you can apply seal stickers on the appliance as I saw Jordan do one on a new CU to have at least some sort of indication someone’s been in after you

    • @AAW-Electrics
      @AAW-Electrics ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wolflouis_official We do issue certs, either EICs (Electrical Installation Certificates (complete with Circuit Information and Test Results) on new circuit installations and MEIWC Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate,so the householder should keep these with the house files for future reference, and pass them on when selling a house!

  • @timb3970
    @timb3970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nice teaching and guidance. Instead of just telling which you see a lot, you question their answer. 👌👌

  • @aschris87
    @aschris87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought i would see Corey in this episode disinterested must stop watching 😂

  • @jacgrobbelaar2425
    @jacgrobbelaar2425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yup this is bad....had to redo a couple of them here in South Africa! Would love to someday work in the UK!

    • @luluboxingtv2880
      @luluboxingtv2880 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please don’t immigration is destroying the uk as it is there’s so many Eastern Europeans sparking right not ( most have fake certificates )

  • @JamieRyan92
    @JamieRyan92 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I weren't 110 miles away, I'd be applying straight away lol

  • @Vegan123
    @Vegan123 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:17 - Don't talk to me about those ladders ! - we had a job in London West End - Project Manager had to go and get this type of ladder and bring it back on the tube (after verifying that he could bring it on the tube) - it was the only ladder allowed on site.
    Then we had to lock it away every night and chain it to the wall - and then we had to sign (for our own ladder) every morning.
    They blamed the EU as a scapegoat but I guess that's not possible any more and yet the ladder debacle continues.
    It was exasperating !
    Before we left London we took a picture of the ladder with our crew 😄

  • @timfanning5309
    @timfanning5309 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Replace that old MEM fused neutral/live ( code 2 ) isolator with new double pole isolator with over current & surge protection .

  • @hugebartlett1884
    @hugebartlett1884 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My landlord wanted to install a shower unit for me a few years ago but I turned it down flat. I detest the damned things. They are a colossal waste of water,and they are run too long at full heat. No wonder the wires melt! They must be installed by someone who knows what he's doing. Water and electricity are a very dangerous combination,no matter where.

  • @alsanova
    @alsanova 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    22:07 - I would recommend Cory.... Oh wait 😂😀

  • @killerzotb6377
    @killerzotb6377 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    watching these videos while doing my nvq level 3, and honestly they are so helpful and entertaining at the same time lol

  • @dannyboisparky
    @dannyboisparky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some steps and ladders training on the to do list then. 🤣

  • @0wnage718
    @0wnage718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow can’t believe how many issues/dangers you find on an eicr, very scary and makes me think about the electrics in my house and if I need to get one done. I’ll bet so many people put this off thinking oh it’s working fine so don’t need one. 😳

  • @raychambers3646
    @raychambers3646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You found one of my old jobs it was a right " b " to get the lid on !

  • @brillareperthelectrician2555
    @brillareperthelectrician2555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey you guys are such an inspiration for the sparky community, so much so that we started our own channel, we're in Australia though, keep it up!

  • @badrobert71
    @badrobert71 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You would also need bigger switches & sockets with deeper boxes to take 10 square. Its just not practical.

    • @adamsharp201
      @adamsharp201 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      10mm twin and earth in a down lighter haha. Good luck with that termination 😂

  • @nickryan3417
    @nickryan3417 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looks like fairly typical general builder (i.e. cheap/cowboy) electrical work, particularly the sockets which have been plastered and painted over and never worked with neatly (that's a personal gripe of mine, including door furniture). Cables falling out of sockets appears to be a common issue with these kind of situations too. Can't count the number of sockets that I've fixed just by screwing the cables into the terminals properly.

    • @AAW-Electrics
      @AAW-Electrics ปีที่แล้ว

      Here's a question, we have Torque settings for the connections in CUs and on MCBs and RCBOs etc, but are there any Torque settings for Sockets and Showers and CCUs etc....?

  • @Peekofwar
    @Peekofwar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've never heard of a heated shower before... I don't know if this is common in England, or if it's just something I've never heard of. I live in the US, and my shower is heated by the water heater.

  • @joeb1642
    @joeb1642 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Jordan, you were also quoted recently in an article in the IET engineering and technology magazine incase you diddnt know. You know you have made it when you appear in a professional magazine 👍

  • @paulcaine2603
    @paulcaine2603 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crazy how you guys have your breaker panels so high you need a ladder to access them. How about lowering them to chest height. That would make life easier.

    • @Shanky_TH9540
      @Shanky_TH9540 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      crazy how you think every panel is this height just from watching this video lol

  • @samuelgilbert9734
    @samuelgilbert9734 ปีที่แล้ว

    Having an electrical appliance connected to a circuit with massive current delivery capabilities in my shower is not something I want. Good thing you guys have RCDs in the UK, be the very thought of it still make me feel uneasy.

  • @ewanbaxter9199
    @ewanbaxter9199 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I came across the same mess in the consumer unit after we had an electrician rewire an extension at work. I said "You are not leaving like that are you". He just said "It complies". I reported it to my boss, she said "He knows what he is doing". THIS is why cowboys get away with doing a job like this, People having blind faith in the 'Professionals' and do not dare question there work.

  • @Stettafire
    @Stettafire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:06 My old flat had a unit like that up near the ceiling above the stairway. Why have it so high up and inaccessible?

  • @richardjones5255
    @richardjones5255 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Interesting, entertaining and disturbing, since nothing was staged for the camera. It made me think about what I have in my home. The changes have been few since we moved in. The showers are 24 volts, transformer-isolated pump only, low-power units.

  • @tc6907
    @tc6907 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine doing an EICR and seeing limitation…. Steps not tall enough 😂

  • @cag9284
    @cag9284 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the brand new on site guide lads.. 😂😂😂, bought for this video, I suppose 😂😂

  • @davelittlewood195
    @davelittlewood195 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    like to see someone try to get 10mm T&E cable into a light fitting :)

  • @kiwicol7383
    @kiwicol7383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🤔 not sure why Luke’s pointing out Jordan not using the steps correctly? when he’d just done the same thing !

  • @keithjackett9895
    @keithjackett9895 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was that your best Welsh Accent? Shocking! Brilliant Informative Vid Guys, Keep it up!

  • @dwaynes5983
    @dwaynes5983 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the US each has a designated line. Same goes for dishwasher and frig.. lets not forget ac wall units.

  • @Ragnar8504
    @Ragnar8504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1) I don't expect the adaptor to burst into flames below the non-fusing current of a 13-amp fuse (and 16 amps is well below that), at least not if it's properly made. The way it hangs off the socket does look dodgy though.
    2) Unless the plug was old enough to have solid brass pins (unsleeved) I can't really see how a damp card could cause any issues. Efixxx recently showed a picture of a charred one though, overheated plug in a dodgy socket.
    3) Why would you put the connection from the socket circuit to the light down as a limitation rather than "further investigation"?

    • @adamsharp201
      @adamsharp201 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Money talks mate

    • @johnbull5394
      @johnbull5394 ปีที่แล้ว

      2 does prevent the socket being fully inserted though. Which MIGHT not allow so good a connection. They shouldn't sell goods with those paper cards fitted if the plug's already fitted if you're supposed to remove before use. IMO.

    • @Ragnar8504
      @Ragnar8504 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnbull5394 True, although I wonder how much of a difference that piece of card makes. In Schuko countries people use child-proof shutters fixed into the sockets with double-sided sticky tape, shutters that are much thicker than those cards, and I haven't heard of any fires caused by these, even though they don't conform to the regs and I've replaced dozens of them with proper shuttered sockets.

    • @johnbull5394
      @johnbull5394 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ragnar8504 As you say, probably too thin to make any difference . But it's probably the logic behind making an issue of it.

  • @Chimel31
    @Chimel31 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10 mm² section wires are €4.80 per meter for 3 wires here in France.
    1.5 mm² is €0.54, also for 3 wires, 9 times cheaper. It's the minimum section we can use, I use it only for lighting, although we can theoretically use it also for outlets in specific 16A circuits, but I don't bother and wire all outlets on 2.5 mm² and 20 A because we never know what contraption will be eventually or occasionally plugged into what outlet...
    We actually don't use 10 mm² wires, which work for 40 A when most houses are rigged for 32A. The only 2 exceptions I know are for 40A electric car fast chargers and large electric heating floors (>7.5KW). Maybe for internal control panel wiring too.
    The more I see these cramped 1-row British electric panels,, the more I appreciate the multi-row French ones... 😄

  • @ian.lwilson7156
    @ian.lwilson7156 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve got smallest house in the street but the biggest switchboard. As an inspector I hate over crowding.

  • @1over137
    @1over137 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You guys should get an EMF meter and see just how much crap a spaghetti junction puts out compared to a neatly made one puts out. Also IR camera might show heat build up with such compacted wiring.
    What I mean by EMF, is basically take a bare oscilloscope probe (or a floating mosfet receiver) and look at the general electrcal field noise around you. No surprises it's prodominantly a 50Hz sine wave because the vast majority of the local field is coming from your house electrics. Even when YOU touch the pin or mosfet the electrical charge of your body is also oscillating as a 50Hz sine wave. Of course modulated on top of that 50Hz wave are all the switchmode power supply spikes and sawtooth waves, inductor spikes etc. A lot of that goes onto the earth as well, a lot of SWPSUs are ground referenced so their cases do not float at 110V. This dumps the reference/feedback micro-current from the low side to the highside leaking current onto the earth. It's why 30mA trips are needed, when 10mA would be better. Because modern digital equipment leaks current to earth. It does so at odd frequencies and generate RF noise in the house wiring.
    I wonder if you have ever been asked to wire an audio or video studio where this has been addressed and planned for.

    • @plonkster
      @plonkster ปีที่แล้ว

      That standing leakage to earth in modern smps appliances have caught me a few times. Once the standing leakages reaches 15mA you start to get nuisance tripping. Living in a country with frequent outages and an inverter that tests TN bonding every time it reconnects to the grid. Momentarily opening the bond during the test is sufficient to cause just enough additional leakage that the rcd trips every time the grid returns after an outage.
      Solution. Split loads over additional RCDs.

    • @1over137
      @1over137 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@plonkster The solution in office buildings is to place an RCD per row of desks or even per 4-way power expander. These are probably 15mA or less.
      Then they either don't fit a bus/circuit RCD at all or one with a stupidly high trip setting such that it's not upset by all the current on the earth.
      To be honest PCs at least earth it. "2 pin" AC->DC devices often just let the whole device float up to ~100VAC via the Y class capacitor.
      That will also catch you out if you stick an audio lead in your mouth while touching an earthed device. It's only like 250uA of current, but you'll notice it on your tongue! Plays havoc with breadboard electronics and USB earthing the whole thing when you connect a USB device to the audio amplifier.
      Most mobile chargers have this leakage current on them. You can "feel" it if you hold the charger out plug in your hand and grab and earthed metal appliance. It's just a tingley fizz even with wet hands. Put a meter on it and you'll see 100VAC into 10M or ~200uA current. Not both at the same time mind.

    • @johnbull5394
      @johnbull5394 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. I was watching a very tidy Italian sparkie wire up a junction box on TH-cam recently. Pulled all the earth cables along and then the lives, neutrals, and same for other circuits. It was very tidily done but still looked like a dog's dinner and EMF was definitely something I was thinking about.
      That said, I do wonder how CUs generally perform with EMF in that many have the live and neutral terminals running, by design, in a way that means the when cables are coming in from various angles, it really isn't easy to keep the conductors parallel. I wonder how many industry professionals account for this?

    • @johnbull5394
      @johnbull5394 ปีที่แล้ว

      My comment should have been @1over137

  • @FinlaysFireSystemsElectrical
    @FinlaysFireSystemsElectrical 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job, that board looked like it had just come out of an Italian restaurant 🍝

  • @simplyshaker
    @simplyshaker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    There's been quite a few comments about what heat is being generated by the mass of wires in the consumer unit, I have a thermal camera for plumbing work but it can be used of course for electrical work. It would be interesting to see if there is really a difference between a neat board and a overflowing board like that one.

    • @AAW-Electrics
      @AAW-Electrics ปีที่แล้ว

      I would love to know that too... I do have a tiny camera on a long probe (Doctor-style) that I would have used to check for insulation material in that roof cavity at 09:17 where the cables went but I don't have a thermal camera. :-(

  • @arthur1670
    @arthur1670 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:47 .... so the ladder supports above should not look like bloody steps

  • @messageobliquespe100
    @messageobliquespe100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mine is prob worse tbh - consumer unit is prob 80 yrs old - ivory fuses etc. Thanks for the walkthrough /tips - I’ll put it on the list of things to do

  • @robbiemacdonald2154
    @robbiemacdonald2154 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should test ring at board as you have to check at each socket when you do r1+rn and r1 + r2 test otherwise test is not completed correctly and you cannot guarantee ring continuity when you reconnect socket
    It will give you good idea of the state of circuit but not correctly perform to niceic standards
    But they are happy if you tick box’s and leave in dodgy condition

  • @duncanevy
    @duncanevy ปีที่แล้ว

    That does seem pretty bad for a consumer panel. I just started as an industrial electrician in a large factory. Imagine a panel 10x that size with wires going everywhere. Prints will be missing or just plain wrong. Part of the job is just finding where everything goes. It is a skill to be sure.

  • @andrewwright1200
    @andrewwright1200 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    On that old high metal fuse box, were there 2 fuses? one for Live and one for Neutral? Wasn't fused neutral banned about 50 years ago?

    • @jayc1140
      @jayc1140 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You know why they were banned by any chance?

    • @andrewwright1200
      @andrewwright1200 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jayc1140 I think they were banned in the 1950's, and have to be removed if seen from the mid 2010's.
      They were banned as if the neutral fuse fails, it will look like the power has failed, but all components will still be at 230v with reference to ground. Any investigation could lead to a shock/death.

    • @jayc1140
      @jayc1140 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewwright1200 ah okay thanks mate. I work for a meter company and know we can’t work on them so always wondered why that was

  • @rondo122
    @rondo122 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Luke is doing a great job!

  • @ianmiller3182
    @ianmiller3182 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looked like a comercial DB with a non self closing front mcb cover. Would you note this as non compliance ?

  • @frankwieczorek5112
    @frankwieczorek5112 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This board is nothing,
    I have seen worse 2:04 installation carried out by an inspector, I don't know haw to add photos here but I can tell you it's hot stuff

  • @Oscar-if6lq
    @Oscar-if6lq ปีที่แล้ว

    That shower connector reminded me of the isolator/shutoff switch for one of my student digs. The switch one day just started smouldering and smoking and filled the hallway with acrid smoke. Landlord put a new switch on himself, despite not being an electrician...
    Not to mention that this house had 4 (FOUR) electric showers on a single 100A phase main. You can do the maths...

  • @henrystevens2258
    @henrystevens2258 ปีที่แล้ว

    16.00 it will only catch fire if they remove the 13 amp fuse that comes with the adapter

  • @Fuxy22
    @Fuxy22 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yep... heven't learned any high voltage stuff since highschool... definitely would consider it if I ever get tired of web development...

  • @djohnsto2
    @djohnsto2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a Canadian, seeing a circuit mounted inside a shower is... Interesting. No space for a hot water heater? No problem! Just put a heavy-gauge circuit with enough juice to make real-time high-flow rate piping hot water right at the shower head.

  • @jacobmoore5334
    @jacobmoore5334 ปีที่แล้ว

    Provisions for further installations. None of that intumescent fire gunge…

  • @dbedford1000
    @dbedford1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is so good, could be used as a great training aid...

  • @sarkasaa
    @sarkasaa ปีที่แล้ว

    at 1:52 what would the BS number tell you that B6 doesnt? im an electrician for automation from germany so could very well be missing something since house installs are not my bread and butter.

  • @wiremore472
    @wiremore472 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We use the Altrex TDO ladders in the Netherlands. The have a safety bar you can fold in and out when you want to stand on top of the ladder.

  • @pnxelectrical
    @pnxelectrical ปีที่แล้ว

    The thing that amuses me about that sticker [on ladders the type] is that it's there purely for lip-service, If they *really* didn't want you to go above it then a sheet of metal or similar above the step would be the only way to stop it - think how thry stop scaffold ladders being used by bolting a board over the style and rungs.

  • @tpottrell
    @tpottrell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I get the splitter plug is dodgey, but wouldnt the 13a fuse in it blow before it became a fire risk?

    • @michaels8336
      @michaels8336 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don’t think that had a fuse, the individual plugs are fused but it didn’t seem the splitter did?

  • @tobysherring1369
    @tobysherring1369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I agree re dishwasher and washing machine splitter - would put in a double socket asap, but realistically both appliances are unlikely to draw their maximum current for long or at the same time as eachother (ie apply diversity). My kettle is 3000kw but has a 0.75mm2 flex. Would you C3 or C2 that?

    • @herrtomas6729
      @herrtomas6729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One thing I couldn't see in the video was whether the 2-way adapter was FUSED or not. Best practice says that you should only use fused adapters as they only plug into one socket - hence fusing the load at 13A max.

    • @tobysherring1369
      @tobysherring1369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@herrtomas6729 usually the two-way ones aren't fused (the one used wasn't fused) but three-ways are. Doesn't make sense really! It comes down to user common sense.

    • @herrtomas6729
      @herrtomas6729 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In my previous employment, annual PAT testers were told to fail and withdraw all non fused adapters that users had sneaked in from home…

    • @tobysherring1369
      @tobysherring1369 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@herrtomas6729 but if they meet BS1363 they are approved for use in home or workplace. I'm not saying they're always a good idea but BS1363 is the agreed standard. I use one to plug in two desk lamps - that shouldn't fail a PAT but if it was two kettles it should.

    • @herrtomas6729
      @herrtomas6729 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, but if users’ common sense (or understanding) cannot be trusted…..
      Therefore this local policy was adopted. (As well as the one which prohibited the use of untested personal equipment on the business supply… multiple fan heaters in winter, toasters in places they shouldn’t be - once had a trapped slice in unattended toaster set off fire alarm and cause factory evacuation!)

  • @paulhancock3844
    @paulhancock3844 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just because it looks a mess doesn't make it unsafe, I've seen much worse and it passed every test

  • @mattharris7248
    @mattharris7248 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What brand are your work trousers ?, in in the market for a decent pair that last lol

    • @luluboxingtv2880
      @luluboxingtv2880 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same tbh I’m a big lad 6ft 1 bout 15 stone but 32 leg is always to short because there right round my legs 🤣

    • @mattharris7248
      @mattharris7248 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@luluboxingtv2880 lol , Yh I’m a big lad , I’d like some trousers that stretch and ain’t that tight , what there wearing in this vid seem good quality

    • @stephenwilliams6103
      @stephenwilliams6103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Scruffs at screwfix😁, comfy & hard wearing 😁, also got pockets for knee pads😁🇬🇧🇬🇧

    • @mattharris7248
      @mattharris7248 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stephenwilliams6103 thanks , il give them a go

  • @Skelton1996
    @Skelton1996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You’re saying the extension block is rated for 13 amps and the connected load exceeds that. But is a double socket also not rated for 13amp? So how is that a solution?

    • @aaronmdjones
      @aaronmdjones 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A double socket is rated for a combined 20 amps, with up to 13 amps per socket.

  • @johnbrookes9830
    @johnbrookes9830 ปีที่แล้ว

    The house I bought 2 years ago has a board that makes this one look neat.

  • @eric4709
    @eric4709 ปีที่แล้ว

    Running W/mc and tumble dryer off a splitter plug /multiway adaptor is concerning in terms of total current - BUT what you didn't mention is the compromising of Protective Earth Connection ( one CPC connection into wall socket shared between two appliances) - since both appliances are likely to be class I devices -in which case a reliable CPC connection is vital .
    IMO this is of more concern -since really EVERY such device should have its own socket to plug into to optimise CPC connection
    In fact -I really don't like seeing these multiway adaptors in use at all

  • @commenter5469
    @commenter5469 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lots of people ostracise “ancient” in their opinion North American braker panels - but at least we have lots of room in them, for better air circulation.
    The one thing I don’t like is electricians making bundles in them in order to be neat, and eliminating air gap in between the conductors. If someone want to make bundles - put a short piece of the heat shrink, or tiny zip-tie on every conductor in the bundles, every 2 1/2 - 3 inches, to make sure there’s an air gap for heat dissipation.

  • @davidcoates4852
    @davidcoates4852 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I was an apprentice I installed a Bill switch just like that but with out the rust in my bedroom as the light switch. I was like Dr Frankenstein. All my mates were impressed.

  • @paulellam6926
    @paulellam6926 ปีที่แล้ว

    That consumer unit = what I call a Volts Nest!

  • @thorsten9690
    @thorsten9690 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In a new installation are circuit rings still standard in UK ? I have to mention that i am not from UK but interested in electrics...

  • @MrRmacattack1
    @MrRmacattack1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here's a tip for shower pull cords. Get the round type ones, last far longer and don't melt as often. If it's a new install use the mount of the new pull cord , on a solid grounds mark your cable entry holes and drill out. Bring your feed and switch wire cables through the holes as they will terminate into the terminals.

  • @Dbdiagnosticsltd
    @Dbdiagnosticsltd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching your videos makes me want to be an electrician. Dabbled with it but not legitimately 🤣

  • @dead.format
    @dead.format ปีที่แล้ว

    I work in ex Local Authority buildings. By those standards that's a neat board. Don't get me wrong, it's not ideal - but it seems very common in my environment. The main issue it poses for me is making any kind of testing borderline impossible. Trying to dig out conductors from an RCBO in a packed out 3 phase board to do some end to ends is impossible.

  • @JensenPGATourDriven
    @JensenPGATourDriven 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s Great you asking, Ruben and Luke questions and getting them to answer and explaining , what they know and don’t know Jordan,, & By the way where is Lee ⚡️👊

  • @rattlehead85
    @rattlehead85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another cracking Video Jordan!! Hope you noted down on the EICR the neutral fusing in that old cast iron box as a C2 observation. I must admit i did cringe a bit when i saw you balancing on top of those steps 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Love to work in your company but i’m not sure you have space for Supervisory/QS level. Time to move away from the tools now after over 33 years of it although the testing and reporting still interests me. Good luck with the search and look forward to some Solar content in the near future. 👌🏻🤘🏻

    • @TheChipmunk2008
      @TheChipmunk2008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely, was amazed that Jordan didn't comment on neutral fusing!

  • @mwh2412
    @mwh2412 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a fuse in the 2 way connector block you showed with the drier and washer? I assume it’s 13a therefore no fire risk?

  • @robbiemacdonald2154
    @robbiemacdonald2154 ปีที่แล้ว

    No cpc sleeving. Is still a C3 on periodic I am assuming you will return and fit it