Can Floating Cities save us from Rising Sea Levels?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- What if we could reimagine urban living to not only coexist with water but thrive upon it? What if we could build a self-sustaining city that handles its own waste, materials, energy, food and water. This is Oceanix, a floating metropolis in South Korea. This ambitious $600 million project is scheduled to be built between 2025 and 2028. It could eventually house 100,000 people.
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
1:05 Oceanix
2:00 Biorock Seacrete
3:45 Systems
5:08 Reality check
6:17 Advantages
9:05 Sponsor
9:45 Disadvantages
10:22 Conclusion
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Your final conclusions about implementing solutions over a wide range of locations is IMO spot on. I do not believe this floating city is remotely viable or safe. Busan sits on the southeast coast of Korea. It faces Japan and that portion of the Ring of Fire. That means earthquakes and tsunamis. A floating city is all well and good on the calm waters of concept artwork, but how would it survive storms and other adverse weather events? Korea DOES get typhoons.
risk people will need to take as there's not enough space. As long as they accept the risk, proceed on!
@@trashcan1112 There is a LOT of space on land, even in the most populated countries.
@whiteknightcat yes but livable and/or desirable? Good luck finding people who wants to live in a mountainous area or in a middle of a desert. Let alone the cost to bring building materials there and other amenities like food or bathroom amenities. There's a reason why the most populous cities are coastline cities and will continue to be.
@@trashcan1112 There are also major cities that have grown up inland everywhere. If humanity can conceive of an idea to live on water, humanity can conceive of ways to expand out to previously uninhabited areas. The key is to do it responsibly, taking the existing environment into account, and working with it rather than against it.
@whiteknightcat agree! Which is why I think for Busan it's easier/financially better for them to expand by the water rather than expanding more inland. Of course it will be dependent on the city and where they are geographically like you said.
Belinda . Love your videos. Have a lovely Xmas and a very happy new year to you and your family
My initial reaction is that building on water is a waste of time and money. You can do all the self-sustaining environmental projects on... higher ground.
Rising sea levels will reduce the amount of viable building and farming land available.
Okay Obi-Wan. Mr. High-ground. What next, you gonna tell me that joining the Sith is a bad idea or something??
It really depends on the kind of terrain you've got to work with. Many places don't have higher ground. Florida, for instance, is due to mostly vanish in a generation or two. Hawaii has already lost an island Granted, most Hawaiian islands are much steeper than the one that vanished, but much of that steepness is volcanic rock, and they are more dependent on farmable land than any other state, thanks to being in the center of the world's largest ocean--not convenient for shipping supplies in cheaply.
@@DoloresJNurssOddly enough, sea level increases in Florida have remained constant since records were kept a century ago. At the current rates, Florida won't be below water in the next couple of generations or the next couple of centuries.
@@wisenber How curious. I just now looked it up and learned that sea level has risen in Florida by 8 inches since 1950. My source was the Florida State University.
This is litterally the plot to a video game. Brink to be specific.
The idea to live on water is fine and dandy until the sea diceds to get rough.
Awesome, thanks Belinda!
I often find your videos informative but in this particular case a large portion of your video was just explaining their idea with very limited critique. I only have a cursory knowledge of the construction industry, yet to me many of the ideas in the project seem wildly impractical or downright dangerous (how is a fire department going to deal with a building fire?). I was really hoping you'd be able to use your knowledge to help me learn more about this.
ok that was really interesting. Thanks
Love your channel my dear, Very impressive information. It's so nice to see someone whom loves to research! Keep up the good work and always be encouraged! Masalam
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Belinda, there was a lot of discussion post-Katrina about this subject, trying to figure out a way to reclaim, rebuild, and preserve the value of the lots in NOLA (particularly the Lower Ninth Ward), St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes where people lost their homes. The proposals that came out of that were way smaller in scale - the micro to Busan's macro solution - and that was to put new housing on rafts anchored by sunken pylons (much like a marina is built) then build housing on top with lightweight materials such as aircrete. Have flexible ducting utility feeds from the bottom to stretch with the searise. In theory, the houses would simply rise with the sea level, and while they may not be damage-proof, given rough seas, at least there would be a place to rebuild on later. Moreover, the homes that did survive would not succomb as much to mold and mildew as a typical home would in the same circs...This gets kinda into the realm of a disposable housing of sorts, which isn't all that desirable on the face of it. However, if you keep the damage limited, and with biodegradable materials - as opposed to the toxic brew of stuff that tract homes are built from - there is an upshot...There also were undersea condos that were made by a company called US Submarine (I don't know if they still exist), but that was brought up as an option as well. After all, a home that is already underwater is already protected from wind and debris, and flood risk is negated, assuming the home maintains its structural integrity...I noticed on the Oceanix project they were running the gammut on energy sources. Seems to me that if you're located in the ocean, a source generator operating on tidal movement alone should be all you need. Not forgetting that a floor filled with water that's circulated around the walls needs very little cooling, even in the tropics...Just my oh, so humble opinion...
This technology is so interesting. I wish it made sense. I'm worried that the whole project will be scrapped years from now and all the effort and money poured into this idea will just be more waste thrown into the ocean.
I suppose a main upside to floating cities is that the developers do not need to purchase land to develop - they just need to request permission to develop it and zone it as part of a city. I’m sure a fee would still be involved, but it might be cheaper/better investment than purchasing undeveloped land in a less desirable area.
My favorite part might be the artificial reefs. I think these would be worth building for that reason alone…as long as they never have to demolish it nor release any sort of toxic waste. I think this is also a great plan for those cities who are very much against land reclamation.
Ok, this is a perfect place for me to try to promote Sea Power.
There is a massive amount of power in sea currents.
We have the engineering knowledge available in the ship building industry and other places.
Imagine an anchored floating platform with propellers
(or turbines) underneath transmitting the power to generators above.
This is not a new idea!
But it has been ignored for decades. It is ideal for smaller land masses and a good additional resource for a larger one.
Please any young engineers out there remember this for the future 🙏
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Sea power is also one of the hardest things to extract. This is why there are only projects out there.
In The Netherlands there are already houses on floating foundations
I think you are 100% spot on when calling it a "throw everything at it" style design. It seems like an in-your-face showcase of all these technologies but that's OK to me. I'm personally most curious about the seacrete as a practical building material in coastal cities for nations truly facing extinction due to climate change and/or population growth... I.e. Austronesian region of the South Pacific.. For example...
I agree--throwing everything at it is the best way to figure out what sticks.
I wonder if you could build the base for a bridge out of ocianix.
If only all those efforts to save a seleced few with Bond-villain-level schemes were dedicated to fix emissions and reduce plastics...
I hope this works in some way, even if not the way Oceanix intends; the Marshall Islands could make use of this.
the marshal islands are growing in size just as the majority of other atols
you might be OK concerning Sea level rise, but you run into a number of other problems.... Like say a Tsunami or big storm, or other weather phenomena would be no fun...
But 600M sounds kinda cheap for a city.
As you said, It would make more sense to extract some of the concepts and use them in every community. In this regard I see the project of @edenicity much more feasible and can be extrapolated easily
That's the sad part about this, though, as well as the part that makes this seem less realistic. This whole thing sounds really cool, and I'm a huge proponent of shared domestic items and whatnot, but you're practically setting up a commune at that point, and I think there're too many developed areas that don't want that sort of shared experience. I'd love to see something like that work, though, as I think a lot of the reasons for housing shortages stem from the sorts of redundancies that exist due to how we isolate ourselves from one another at home.
I agree, sustainable technologies are very much necessary. There are so many sustainable ways of doing things that we can easily switch to: methane digestion for sewage, sewage waste conversion, bio-fuels, sustainable farming nd more. Technology we already have in fully deployable forms!
Add to that using more efficient transportation systems, rail is about 1000 more efficient per ton than roadways, and rail systems are far less expensive to build and maintain.
designing cities that are livable throughout: housing, retail, office, industrial all mixed thoughtfully throughout the entire city rather than in separate areas that force commuting.
Integrated recreation, gardens, entertainment, supplies, etc.
Ya, we can do it. And floating cities might have their place to save cultures that will be lost otherwise, many of the Micronesian islands for example. As necessary as it may be, it is still going to be horribly expensive.
As if to emphasize my earlier comment regarding the impracticality of this project at the suggested location, Japan ushered in the new year of 2024 with a major earthquake on its WESTERN coast which generated a minor tsunami that reached the Korean peninsula.
Simply dock a cruise ship by the harbor. It is the floating city
I'm in belief that the three islands should be accompanied with one or two more for animals/livestock. Meat is meant to be consumed by mankind! God bless America and God bless you Belinda!
Wonder what your thoughts are on stilt homes
Another good one B. Also my bad calling you Indian just seen youre from the UAE. Other than that the comment still stands.
The sea is rising 1/16 of an inch per year. Science is data..
I thought Bosun was sinking into its own water table, not experiencing a localized rise in sea level?
Can the floating city be moved during typhoons or hurricanes?
Had me in the first half ngl
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I’ll comment again same time next year. Happy New year all
An interesting set of ideas. Don’t tell the guys in UAE or KSA. They have different ideas. ;)
Climate change is a tricky topic. My idea is to take all of the coast lines and build the biggest desalinization systems in the world. Enough that can cover all land mass with 1 inch of water for one hour. Then build the largest sprinkler system in the world. Using data and models we can control when and where to direct water. Doing this will cool the world down when it needs it. Also we will better understand the worlds weather with weather stations every half mile in a grid pattern all over the world. This would solve for more problems than one can understand.
On the topic of this city, while a cool idea. Its stupid as trade is what allow people the ability to have anything they want. As for an impact on food. Just knowing and understanding where and how your food is produced will help. Waste happens all over the world. I would guess that half of what is produced is wasted at some point.
There are tried and true methods to prevent flooding, the Dutch have done it for hundreds of years, no one has te be displaced.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. If they have done the math and they are so sure that it’s going to work why build a new city and not just incorporate these new systems wright now in the existing infrastructure that is on land? This way we can first stop causing more damage to our world, then repair what we can and after we have done all that maybe think about expanding to the sea, after we are sure that we won’t be spreading like a virus and starve ourselves using all our remaining resources.
All I can think is what happens when a storm hits
I can propose a better settlement than Oceanix:
1. Buy a large cargo ship that will be decommisioned soon. Take out the rudder and propellers.
2. Dig a trench at a spot 100-200 meters from the beach. Set the bottom part of the ship into that trench. Trench should be deep enough that the cargo ship's deck is only 10-15 meters above the sea.
3. Secure the ship to the sea floor with tension cables. Build a ramp, raise sand section to make the ship accessible via land.
4. Convert the cargo ship into a very large commercial building. Offices/warehouses that would otherwise have used up land would be moved to the ship.
5. Repeat the process with a second ship as more commercial space is required.
Even better, just convert cruise ships instead of scrapping them at their end of service
@@schoolofrockcary6625 The important thing is to set the ship low enough on the seafloor that one can reach from the beach to the deck of the ship via vehicle.
And how long would those last before they're eaten away with rust?
@whiteknightcat They can virtually last forever, as long as they're taken care of. Battleship Texas, I'm lookin' at you!
Belinda, are you familiar with DamiLee's channel? She just uploaded a video focusing on various floating city concepts. I thought you might be interested.
Happy Holidays! Thank you Jesus, we pray for peace!
Idk about seacreate. I have serious doubts about both the production and viability. The idea of a floating city might be viable in some cases but between hurricanes and tsunamis, I think it's limited. Solar is always questionable as a form of green energy, but I can see wind working well in that context. The concept marketing is ridiculous at every level. Self sufficient food = fish for every meal or complete fiction.
Have you considered longer and more in depth videos?
While I like the concept and think it's the way we'll need to go, I couldn't live there because of my allergies. I can't eat plants or fish. There would have to be chicken and/or pig farming on board or on a nearby land mass. I also have an extreme dislike of lithium: twice as damaging as fossil fuels in both aquiring it and disposing of it when it's no longer viable for electricity storage. Not to mention if something goes wrong in using it. I understand that they are working on other, less volatile solutions for energy storage but in the meantime we are still causing irreparable harm to the earth to get it for now; while saying that it is better than fossil fuels for the environment: which it clearly is not. I also understand that my allergies make me a unique case, but the fact is: it is the most common allergy on earth and the one most likely to be misdiagnosed. And nickel is one of the most common elements on the planet. Present in the water, soil, and air everywhere on the planet.
Lithium doesn't become "no longer viable for energy storage", it's 100% infinitely recyclable. If properly disposed it has zero environmental cost besides the energy required to recycle it. Similarly, it is typically extracted from sand with an extremely low environment cost as well (they literally just let pools of water evaporate and then collect the lithium silt in the evaporated pool). You seem to have a number of misunderstandings about lithium.
There are alternative and environmentally viable battery technologies other than lithium in development.
@@outerspaceisalie Then why do Teslas need new batteries in 10yrs? How many toxins are released during the process? Have you ever seen the results of a compromised lithium battery? And why are thry bemoaning the scarcity of lithium on the planet?
@@BigHenFor Yes, and I did state that in my rant. But they're still 20yrs from something viable.
There's similar thinking in the netherlands claiming, they (the dutch) have tradition in living on water. Why not extend? It's as simple as this. Search TH-cam for any monster wave video. Watching will give you the answer. Rather, mankind should start its way up the hill but not the steep ones for reasons of landslide. Preserving the fertile alluvial plains rivers formed, typically crowded by more and more buildings today. Projecting fully autonomous floating cities is the smaller cousin of the idea of settling on Mars. To put it mildly, this is naive.
Invest in Lithium mining and B6 supplements! Lol
I will believe that sea levels are rising to a catastrophic level.... the moment these climate hysteria celebs and politicians sell their beach front property.
Better idea flood invest in higher flood protection and restrict building to 6m above sea level minimum
cool idea, but there is no data suporting rising sea levels.
Now it really on depends if the rest of world is ready to cooperate with this idea…
Rising sea levels seems to be something that doesn't bother the billionaires who build their houses at the ocean edge. Doesn't seem to bother all those who invested in the huge complexes in the middle east, built out into the sea.
In short: it's nothing to worry about. So stop worrying.
What rising sea levels?
Hurricanes?
I think floating cities will definitely be built much sooner than people think.
FYI - Biorock is not buoyant.
EPIC floats.
th-cam.com/video/dLP_2m5L7Bw/w-d-xo.html
Is there proof that sea levels are rising?
LOL @ "It gets better, residents would live off a plant-based diet." How is that better? BTW we saw these cities in Waterworld back in 95. haha
Ever notice that all the ways people dream up to save the world involve making most of the population uncomfortable and hungry?
We are the carbon they want to reduce.
None of this would work - at all! People wouldn't want to live like that!
In South Korea the sea level rose 7 inches in 150 years... In other parts of the world, the sea level dropped or stayed the same the last 200+ years. You can see the difference in ocean heights when traveling through the Panama canal. Historic measurements worldwide prove the ocean heights change as they have since the earth began. They go up, they go down. As humans, we need to adapt as humanity has done through our whole existence. If water rises where you live on the coast, adapt. Move inland or build above. Simple. I take issue with corrupt governments and individuals that are becoming wealthy from green initiatives which blame humans for causing the change in sea heights as well as the ignorant populations who actually believe this asinine way thinking. They are following what they are told and not researching it themselves. Go back 20,000 years and you will see the changes in ocean levels. Now go back 100,000 years. You see the change without humans being involved in the equation. Sea levels rise and fall. Why are so many people willing to ignore this fact? Don't say sea levels aren't rising, because they are. Don't say sea levels aren't sinking, because they are. The Earth changes. People fear this change. One of the biggest problems that face humanity is that populations are not being taught that the Earth changes and we should adapt to it, but rather they are being taught the Earth is changing and WE are to blame. Change in our environments are slow and we as humans can adapt more quickly if government and regulation would get out of our way. But to stay in power and have control, they need this fear and blame. Belinda Carr does an amazing job researching and explaining things. I love her videos.
The problem is not rising sea levels but rising madness.
Bingo
I won't argue that floating cities are the most sensible solution but rising sea levels are going to be a problem for some communities.
Wut?
I wouldn't call it a metropolis, especially for asia. More like a rich guys private island like in dubai. The science and innovations are cool though. eww it's all vegan
Better to find a technology to convert humans to fishes 😂
No. They cannot.
Hate to break it to ya. Sea levels are not rising.
Sorry, I don't agree with your last commentary.
This city idea is trying to do too much.
Why is it talking about people's eating habits?
Why is not talking about working with floating piers?
Where is the 50% of the video that should cover redunancies put in place to deal with large waves, storms and freak events?
Is it also going to be 3D printed and use AI to manage its construction?
Sea level is not rising. It's even dropping!!! Lakes are drying up everywhere. The things is that the earth is going out of its axes.
Lake =/= Sea 🤦♂️. Ocean water is rising due to melting ice due to higher average global temperatures. These higher temperatures also increase regional effects like droughts, causing lakes to dry up. Those are the facts.
Fact check: The sea level is NOT rising.
Rising ocean levels is an undeniable fact. It's measurable. Denying it is delusional.
You are incorrect though. Do you not understand what a fact is?
Please give documented proof that the earth wide sea level is rising. From what I’ve seen with my own eyes on the top of 400+ above the city of Grand Junction, Colorado valley, water covered the earth. There are sea shells and sand ripples near the top of Mt. Garfield. So it appears that the water has receded from what it once was. 🙂
@@kl4888 TH-cam doesn't allow links in comments but a simple Google search will lead you to tons of thorough data. We're talking about what the sea level is doing NOW, not millions of years ago. Sea level rise has been measured and documented since the 1880s, about 8-9 inches. The problem is that in recent years it is rising faster.
@@OneMoreTank if sea levels are rising why are many homes built long ago still the same distance from the ocean at normal tide? Tell me which ones aren’t. You don’t have to provide a link (I know TH-cam removed that) just give the reference.
Stop the fear-mongering. Where exactly has the sea level risen? WHO exactly is measuring this? I literally live at sea level SF Cal for 65 years, and my family has been here since 1890's - looks exactly the same to me/us. Floating cities 50-feet off coast? Maybe if in a protected bay, perhaps.
@6:41
in some places the land is rising, in some places it's eroding and in some places it stays roughly the same. these floating cities seem a bit of a scam to me to get money from investors.
Tons of credible organizations, including NASA, NOAA, the EPA, and CISE all report pretty consistent numbers for sea levels rising. Data going back to 1880 shows oceans have risen 8-9 inches since then. The problem is it's rising faster every year, enough so that it will threaten some low-lying coastal communities within our lifetimes (well, not yours if you're over 65, but young people will have to deal with it.) So yeah the vast majority of people will be fine but in specific locations (notably parts of Louisiana and Florida) it's a real problem and denying it is delusional.
@@Luc-1991That is true that land can rise and fall due to things like changes in groundwater, volcanic activity, and movement of plates. It is also true though that global sea levels are rising. Btw I'm not saying floating cities are a sensible answer, just that the facts are pretty clear that certain areas are indeed going to be affected by rising sea levels.
Amen to that! @@Luc-1991
there is no rising sea level
it sad seeing this channel going downhill with promoting cheap fake futuristic fairytale project