Wow difference? 2021 Ford F-150 Tremor MPG vs F-150 Powerboost Hybrid
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video, I'm doing a 100 mile loop to see what the 2021 Ford F-150 Tremor MPG is compared to the F-150 Powerboost hybrid. Is the Tremor that much worse than the hybrid? I find out.
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Not sure who needs to hear this but I'm a numbers freak so at 3mpg difference, this is what usage would look like; all variables being equal: We are assuming both tanks are 26Gal at an average of 3 dollars per gallon, that we are filling our tanks 3 times a month, and that gas prices don't change up or down. Tremor: 19.5mpg x 26 = 507 miles. Ecoboost: 22.5mpg x 26 = 585. At 3 fill ups a month that's 36 tanks a year. Since they are both 26 gal tanks, they'd both cost you 2,808 dollars for gas. Tremor: 6.5 miles per dollar, Ecoboost 7.5miles per dollar. At the end of the year, the Tremor would've traveled 18,252 miles at 36 fill ups. The Ecoboost 21,060 miles at 36 fill ups. If we compare apples to apples, the Ecoboost would get 2,808 miles extra for the same cost as the Tremor, dividing everything up, you'd be saving a measley 374 dollars over the entire year. I don't know about you, but 400 bucks is what you spend 2 weeks eating out. So yeah, I'm taking the Tremor All Day!
Amen! Very well said
My car insurance is 600$/year cheaper for the tremor than for the lariat. Saved 200$ a year with these calculations :)
I have the powerboost and get good mileage around town..on the highway it performs like a typical 3.5 twin turbo- if you drive at 70+ you will see your mileage drop…if you tow at highway speeds it is a typical half ton…but 20-24 mpg around town ain’t nothing to sneeze at! And I bought the hybrid for the 7.2kw inverter/generator on the tailgate…I can boondock my trailer anywhere (yes and use the a/c or heater etc) or power my home in a power failure or hook up my table saw or other equipment…it’s a great feature….
I’ve owned my powerboost for about a week and a half now. Largely influenced by your video series btw. Over 60mph the MPGs drop fast. It’s basically another 3.5L at that point. Truck aerodynamics really limit what the hybrid can do. If you’re mainly doing interstate or highway commuting at 70mph+ there’s honestly no reason to get the hybrid. We live on a rural two lane highway though, speed limit 45-55. We routinely have seen 24-25mpg trips on that road, and as high as 29mpg when stuck behind someone going slow.
Thanks for watching and yep, I had the same experiences at highway speeds.
Yup have had the same experience with my Coyote powered F-150. First tank I ever did, drove a trip that was pretty relaxed (avg 55mph maybe). I was stoked to get ~22mpg. Since then it's been more representative of my driving style and speed (70+) and I've noticed at best around 20mpg doing that. Not much you can do when you're pushing such a big vehicle through the air.
How is the powerboost around town?
@@falconwaver haven’t had a chance to do much city driving yet. But my lower speed observations are that you can kinda trick it flip over to EV mode by tapping the brakes slightly and it’ll stay full EV as long as you’re coasting. The part of my regular drive where I’m going 20-35mph I’m in full EV mode at least half the time. Really like the truck overall.
My mileage drastically improved after 1000 miles. I believe they have a break in period programmed in.
the tremor is actually a bargain. That 402a package is basically like a Lariat trim. If you price out a Lariat with the FX4 and similar options with the 3.5 ecoboost. The price for the Lariat fx4 is almost the same as a 402a tremor between $65-68k
the biggest difference is that a Lariat you can get it in any cab and engine and bed configuration. Tremor is only crew cab short box and 3.5 ecoboost.
You are 100% correct. Throw in the nicer wheels, bigger tires, skid pads, better shocks, lift, and 14k lbs towing capacity and it does seem like a bargain. In my case, I prefer the 3.5 ecoboost, short bed and full cab. I have a feeling my ‘17 Lariat might have a new owner soon.
@@SignalCorps1 tow limit on my 2022 is 10,900..14,000 is only on a 2 wheel drive configuration. Still a great tow number for a fully loaded 4x4
@@alextasch8114 Yea, you’re right. I realized that a few weeks after I typed this comment when I was browsing the Ford build site. For the Tremur it says 14,000lbs, but there’s an asterisk that it only applies to 2wd and the tiny cabin of which neither are applicable to the Tremur.
@@alextasch8114 BTW, my 2022 Tremur is built and sitting somewhere in a lot waiting for chips to arrive.
Lol just drove my new to me 2018 5.0 V8 down from Edmonton to Vernon going over the Canadian Rockies for a part of it and I’m at 21.75mpg
Great comparison! It’s sad that pickups cost so much now…
I wish the Tremor wheels were available for the Lariat Sport FX4
Hi Tim,
I actually like this package, I don’t like the price.
Thanks for sharing.
I was waiting for the tundra release but now I am firm on getting the Ford with the generator. Can’t justify the price for the Toyota for what you get
Good choice. Toyota copied F150 as much as they could. I call it Fugly Fundra. Might as well copy F from Ford.
@@henryford2736 Plus the Tundra "hybrid" uses NiMh batteries (similar to the old DeWalt drill packs) vs Lithium Ion. They are heavier, far less power density (lower output and runtime), but cheaper. It also takes up the entire rear seat under storage area. My take the hybrid was a bit of an after thought for Tundra and probably done because the Lithium batteries need to be further separated from the passenger space for safety and the Tundra does not have the room between the frame rails for various reasons. A lot of compromise that many will not grasp until the buy the truck ...
Hard to tell, but I think Fred was very happy to be out of the house.
That’s better than my Tacoma trd off-road will get going down hill at 70
I wish they made the tremor with the 3.0 baby diesel. Would have been legit.
I do love this truck, just wish it came with the 5.0.
Yes, it would have been nice to have the option of either the 3.5L or 5.0L (without cylinder deactivation) & standard 3.73 rear axle ratio!
@@a.fredscullard162 The 5.0 sounds MUCH BETTER! With that said, after owning an ecoboost powered truck for one year, I'll never go back.
@@rdsii64 I agree 100%, having 400 ft-lbs of torque available at just 2k is something I'd never give up.
@@a.fredscullard162 I feel the same way. I don't know if I want to eat the cost of replacing two turbos when that time comes.
Face it ecoboost is the future
Really wish the powerboost was available on the tremor.
YESSSSSS
Its so lame they don't offer the tremor with the powerboost, they missed the mark there.
I think they should have made this trim with Powerboost engine , that is the only thing missing on this trim
orange and blue this truck will sell great in Houston
This was a very informative review. I am actually impressed with the numbers for the Tremor! It's realistic for the added capabilities. I don't like that price though. I'd want an XL version myself. (Ok, an extended cab, XL, Ranger variant.)
Thanks for the review.
You are exactly right. Throw in the better wheels, tires, shocks, lift, skid pads, aux buttons, 14k lb towing limit and the Tremor is a total bargain, In my case I want the 3.5ecoboost, short bed, and full cab. I have a feeling that my ‘17 Lariat my have a new owner soon.
Also don't forget it has the raptor transfer case and option front torsen diff
Just put my deposit on mine!! Got the 402a model as well... should have it in February
I get 20mpg city in my 2020 2.7L. It pushes up to 25 on the highway.
@keyoke69
That’s just about the mpg that I have been getting the last yr, 19.5 city 24.6 highway , it’s been very consistent
I get 16mpg with 6.7 diesel F350 and that is just local driving. I got 17.5 with my f150 ecoboost not much of a difference. Considering what you can do with a F350 the difference is amazing.
I like the 9 3/4 rear axle with 3.73 ratio
Hybrid will be significantly cheaper to run gas mileage wise in a Stop and Go traffic, Hybrid saves a lot on city driving no doubt.
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Absolutely one of the best blue colors in a truck in many many years. I never like blue jeans that ford used forever.
My 2017 F150 on-board mpg shows 1mpg more than I calculate as well. Looks like Ford does this on purpose to make you think it’s more more efficient than it actually is.
Not really. They all come from the factory with the AFE Bias set at default value of 1000. This is a setting in the computer that calculates mileage and can be adjusted for tire size or axle ratio changes. Since the tires range from 17-22” based on trim level and 3:15-3:73 (or higher) you can see there can be a lot of variables. My 18 2.7 STX was 1.2mpg and my 21 PowerBoost was 1mpg optimistic. I reset the base factor and got the computers to get within .2mpg MOST of the time. It’s not a scientific thing since fuel quality (winter vs. summer blends), temperature, and foot pressure have some say in the whole thing but it’s a lot more realistic once you spend a month or so of full-ups as you get it dialed in. It takes a few adjustments. Let me know if you want to know how.
Ordered my Tremor , base price is 53k know . Got the mod package and a few other options and im pushing 63500
That’s a Ford I’d want to buy. Nice.
I do appreciate your work on these videos. I would absolutely love to live near you. You have the coolest vehicles to demo and own
You should use 91 octane ethanol free fuel for best results in the 3.5, big difference.
I have a 22 F150 Tremor 401a w/front torsen on order.
On my 2019 2.7 XLT (Ill trade it for the Tremor when it comes in), I switched over to Amsoil in the engine, front/rear differentials, transfer case, and Archoil ar6200 in the fuel w/91 octane.
It does help with the fuel economy, a 1.75 mpg boost.
At least you don't over fill the tank like TFL. lol
Love to hear Timbo say "calculated" 10x as fast as he can... lol. Great Video!
I feel like on 91 you’ll pick up another 1-2 mpg
But wait... Let's take a Powerboost and turn it into a Tremor and see what happens... :) Mad this isn't an option.
Any chance you'll be able to do the same loop with the 5.0 at some point? Im really trying to decide between the that 3.5 or Coyote.
Doubtful. I haven’t seen a 5.0L F-150 in years now.
I thought Wyoming had mountains. That looks dead flat.
Scooters Caramelicious blender is so good
you must have a small tank, my tremor gets over 700 miles per tank
I’m on my 2nd tremor. Love them.
It’s a decent looking truck but the $$$ are too much to rectify buying it. I agree with your comment on the seats as well.
Exactly! I specd out a 2022 f250 with the 7.3 Godzilla engine, XLT and its about the same as this one he tested. Resale value will better with the F250 also, so for me the 3/4 tons are a better buy.
There is no spring refresh. I was at my local GMC dealer yesterday and they have zero new 1/2 ton trucks on the lot. They have 3 new ones coming and none are the refreshed version. The refresh truck may not show up to your local lot til the end of summer. They maybe bought befor they hit the lot. Good luck with getting the spring refresh truck you want. Is the refresh going to fix the AFM/DFM issues? Plan to add an additional $5K to current prices for the refresh. GMC Sierra 1500 SLT Premium with 6.2L will hit $70K. Denali Premium refresh will hit $80K.
You can get a F-250/350/Tremor for close to that price… at $65k
Not loaded up. A 2020 F-250 XLT Tremor with the 7.3L, cloth seats and the 8" screen was pushing $60k and that was pre-toilet paper wars.
Needs a couple more Tremor logos
Help!!
I am looking at either the Tremor or Tundra Platinum. Would you please give me your feedback on the comparison between the 2? I can’t get into either but I need to get on a list of one of them to purchase. Any feedback and personal opinion would be greatly appreciated. Which would you choose and why??
This will answer most of your questions: th-cam.com/video/vBD_EnpQdwA/w-d-xo.html
@@Pickuptrucktalk… is the regular F150 the same as Tremor??? Is that a good one for one comparison??
@@JoeyPaul1 Tremor is a trim level of the F-150 and is their off-road version of the truck without going full Raptor.
Isn’t there an economy drive mode? Just curious since MPG was the point of the loop?
Sure. Economy improves MPG slightly in my experience. I also always drive in normal mode since that's what most owners do with their vehicles.
@@Pickuptrucktalk true enough. Nice truck for sure.
Another good review. Thumbs up. A quick question, if you know the answer: In the video you referenced using 87 octane, which I believe is the Regular Unleaded, and the selection on the left side of the common 3 selections, with Premium on the right. Where I live and generally get fuel here in Utah is at the Smith's chain, and at least in my town the Smith's Regular Unleaded, the one of the three on the far left, I'm told is 86 octane, not 87. My question to you, is that okay for the truck? Or in that case would it be important for me to use the slightly higher Octane middle selection? Thanks.
Octane levels are different throughout the country and often changes due to altitude. You’ll be fine running 86.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Thanks for that info, and the quick response. Don't know if higher altitude better with higher or lower octane, but I am at high altitude, 7000 feet actually. I was most concerned about damaging the engine, but sounds like not an issue. That's a relief.
Good Info, thanks
No thanks. I’ll keep my 3L Duramax and it’s 31MPG.
Have fun dismantling the trans for service at 150k.
Those are pretty aggressive tires and you said they were pretty quiet. What kind of tires are they?
This is one of the best looking trucks out there and I'm kind of a Ram fan. Love that blue with the orange accents.
Hey! I believe they are general grabbers
@@troymiller8952 I was thinking they are the Grabber ATX'S. They are a great tire.
general grabber atx, theyre ok and better than most oems.
@@fongvang935 I bought them as replacement tires. I've had great luck with them and my son in law has the X3's on his truck and loves them.
Tim I heard that that f150 coming off the line right now have a active blue cruise fully functional can you tell me when the update for the blue cruise is coming out for people that already have the blue cruise that’s not update yet
The important question is, what's the point of a Hooter's with a drive thru? Kind of defeats the purpose. As for these trucks, read about their performance & reliability on something that actually test vehicles, i.e. Consumer Reports. You wouldn't even consider an F150, especially at these prices. I'd wait to buy unless you're driving a clunker, because both the Ford and Toyota Turbo V6s are the wrong answer to the same problem. Toyota needs to develop a Dynamic Force V8, and then we can talk. Turbocharging is a crutch and everybody knows it.
You can’t always wait till later to buy a truck, what about the people living in the south and east of the US and a hurricane blows thru and drowns a couple hundred thousand vehicles in 3 days? A lot of people don’t have a choice in the matter
I have had my Tremor package F-150 now for about three months and just flipped 6000 miles. I live in the rolling loess hills of SW IA. Most of the driving is highway. I haven't been able to get even 18 mpg. I think it has to do with the rear differential gear ratio. I believe mine is a 3.73. What was the ratio on the Tremor you were driving?
I don’t recall. 3.73 sounds right.
Actually not bad for this truck. Seems like it might be around a 1mpg decrease over a comparable non-Tremor model.
We need to stop making things so luxurious and or outrageous that we can’t really afford to own and maintenance while owning and manta I got a home and feeding our kids.
Not to mention the damn trucks are missing quite a few options and extras they had just last year before the chip shortage hit.
I believe it’s a 3.5 twin turbo not 2.5
Did I say 2.5? Sorry. I meant 3.5.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Your video's are really good
@@dougmatheny854 thank you!
Hey. Found your review again. Continues to be worth the watch, even multiple times. A few questions, if you see this after all this time that is: Could I and would it be a good idea, to get a little wider offset, maybe another 1" to 2" offset on both sides beyond the additional 1" the Tremor already comes with? And if so, could I also get body colored fenders added that are wide enough to align or nearly align fully with the outside edge of the wider offset tires? Kind of Raptorizing its look a bit. The 7" added offset of the Raptor, 3.5" on each side, is too much for me, but I would like a bit more if possible than the added 1" offset that comes with the Tremor. And lastly, do you know, could I get this Tremor, its most loaded package which I think is the 402A, but could I get it fully blacked out, exterior and interior? Thanks.
Wheels are pretty easy to find and you can add backspacing. The fenders would be a challenge for sure.
You can get the Black Appearance package on the Tremor via Ford.com build and price tool. You have to switch to the 5.0L V8 engine instead of the 3.5L V6.
@@Pickuptrucktalk A follow up question: I like the turbo aspect of the 3.5L V6 given that I live in high altitude, mountainy ski country, and having to drive up so many hills, including long sections of high speed turnpike, I imagine those turbo's pushing more air in compared to a naturally aspirated engine would be useful. But I understand that the 5L V8 is naturally aspirated. Do you think that extra power of the 5L V8 might make up for not have the turbo feature? Any thoughts on this issue? That's really my only concern about the V8. I've heard it might even do slightly better on mpg than the turbo V6.
@@Nate-zy5ce Turbos perform better at higher altitude that's true. However, is is a game changer over the V8? Nah. I've driven a V8 and a turbo through the Colorado mountains and they both perform well.
Not bad like the cooler looking truck lol
Hi”bread” Nice……
I love Ford trucks. I can't wait to see the ranger be unveiled
dont forget the fte bias setting
Consider yourself lucky Tim. Clearly, you have no idea of what city driving is actually like. Let Jill drive that here in Chicago and I bet you the average will be less than 10mpg.
Eh, I lived in Denver for 15 years. I'm pretty aware of city driving.
That’s an easy fix, don’t go to Chicago..🤭
Thats reasonable in all that wind.
Yo Fred! What's up?
It was interesting to see the increase in gas prices from last years hybrid test to this test. Gas went from $10 to $16 for basically the same fill up. Only a .6 gallon difference.. Lets go Brandon.
It will go back down next year as supply rebounds. OPEC not increasing production is going to be the big issue.
@@Pickuptrucktalk i hope your right but our Energy secretary was on t.v. this week and when asked that question. She laughed.. and then said the United States does not control pricing..
@curt thrasher
Brandon stopped all new gas and oil leases when starting his regime in January. Three yrs ago we were the largest producer of oil in the world. It seems as if getting the price of oil to outrageous levels the new green deal with electric vehicles will be more palatable. But maybe all this is a coincidence eh?
The Permian basin in the southwest is said to have as much oil as the saudis have. But to make profitable oil needs to be around $55-$60 a barrel, so maybe they will start pumping more soon. They shut down most pumping during Covid and $20 barrel prices
That orange is not to my taste. Loving my Godzilla so far.
Spoiler. The Hybrid is better.
Nope.
Same MPG as my 5.3L Trailboss and premium fuel isn't recommended, unlike ecoboost.
If you can afford that TREMOR, then you can afford to put 91 octane in it. Lol
And that 5.3l is not in the same class as the 3.5 Ecoboost when it comes to all other important numbers. The 6.2l is the 3.5 Ecoboost competitor.
@@bobdennis4801 I've driven plenty of EcoBoosts. They actually aren't very impressive. Decent low end when the turbos spool. Total shit above 4000rpm.
@@terrencejones9817 so what’s impressive? Your 5.3L? 😂
@@Matts000 with the 10 speed it actually is quite impressive. It's easily as quick as my Previous F150 5.0L. That 5.0L was barely slower than my best friends 3.5 ecoboost F150.
V6
how you take off the from plate holder?
Screwdriver.
@@Pickuptrucktalk lol if it was only that easy geeze louise! It's clipped in genius...
I used to get that 21mpg from my 2019 F150 3.5 ecoboost on the highway. Now, after 47000 miles, I'm getting 17 mpg. I think towing my 6000 lb travel trailer for a total of 6000 miles over the course of two and a half years has worn the small engine out.
Very possible. I have been getting between 20 and 21 out of my Hemi on the highway for years now with occasional towing and trips. 17mpg sounds awfully low.
If you’ve had it flashed / updated, they did a fueling update to add more fuel on a consistent basis to help alleviate some internal issues. That caused MPG to plummet.
The f150 has some MAP sensors near the air box, they sometimes get dirty and mpg can go down.
Damn all you Nancys getting all wet about how many times a truck has its name on it. I weep for our future.
Dripping wet… Actually quite moist.
Lots of vaginal discharge..
Tim we need more random shots of Fred in your videos.
Good info 👍🏻
Glad it was helpful!
Personally I would like the power boost fx4 and the 7.2 kw and I wish both would be available on the super cabs as well. Also ford needs to make a 2.4kw minimum available on every pickup ranger all the way to superduty trucks.
Wow...that's an indictment against the hybrid....I would have expected a much bigger spread with the hybrid being much higher....
The hybrid will do way better in city driving. he did mostly highway. I have this truck and when driving in cities, you get around 16, highway around 20, and 18 combined so the epa estimate on the sticker is pretty accurate.
the hybrid is mostly aimed for more torque and a little better mpg in certain scenarios
I was expecting more from the hybrid considering the small durmax engine on the Chevys can get between 28-30 mpg
Yeah diesels are great on the highway, but at least for the Powerboost, that should get pretty similar fuel economy even in city driving. When you consider some of the advantages for the hybrid (like onboard 7kWh power), it certainly has it's advantages.
@@ALMX5DP you know what I mean tho?
I wonder if the Hybrid would get closer to the small Duramax if it had closer to the same rear end. 3.73 at highway speed is running much higher rpms than if it had what most GMs have with around 3.31 rear end. I would think at highway speeds the Hybrid would get much better mpgs but maybe not with the ten speed.
@@bobdennis4801 yes the 3.0 duramax is only rated for about 9,000lb towing because of the lower gearing.
@@fongvang935 ahhhh ok that makes alot of sense.
Hey Tim do you think ford will offer the powerboost on the tremor soon with the trd pro being hybrid only?
I have a 21 Powerboost and I'm getting 14.5mpg and the dealer tells me that's normal....
I have the fox 2.0 kit and 33" tires. 32.5 are stock so essentially stock tire height but they are saying 14.5 is all because of the leveling kit..
You showing the Tremor gets 19.5+ really helps. Similar height, same size tires as me and 5mpg better WITHOUT the hybrid. Thanks for doing this video man!
14.5 isn’t normal for PB with a level kit, but the tremor isn’t leveled so it probably benefits somewhat over yours for that reason. It appears to have even worse rake than a standard 4x4 f150.
Yeah something isn’t right. Not even close to right.
Unless you drive full throttle all the time, even with a mild lead foot you can get 17 to 19 ... I don't drive like a "old lady", but I can easily get 21+ almost all the time (except 85 on the freeway - drops to 17-18-19 ish).
Yeah they finally figured that the PCM needs to be replaced including most of the wire harnesses that control fuel, navigation and other systems
I know I'm in the minority but I hate everything about this truck.
I'll have to test real world mpg with my F150. Sometimes different gas pumps can put in or leave out as much as a 1/2 gallon depending on different pumps when you fill up. It doesn't always get it exactly the same unfortunately.
I have a2021 platinum powerboost. 33 aggressive allterrains leveled 2.5" with 1.5" wheel spacers. Looks way cooler still getting 21 mpg around city.
1:28.
"I did that!" -Joe Biden
and 14:42 LOL
19.48 MPG isn't much different than my Tundra.
Tundra gets that high miles per gallon? I thought it was around 15 mpg on good days!
Yah right! 😂
Most Tundra owners look to get between 14-17 in mixed driving (per Fuelly). Probably not too far of a stretch for ~19.5 on the highway (especially if you drive conservatively).
@@bruceyung70 I got 9.5 mpg in my last trip from St George to Salt Lake city, pulling a 8.5’x 20’ enclosed cargo trailer loaded with a 2500 lbs utv
I get ~17 mpg in the freeway when empty.
@@alb5tana 5.7 V8 getting 17 mpg or even 19.5 is admirable numbers if you ask me.
Like the tremor. Don't like the orange accents. Looks cheap in person. Blue/orange broncos fans will like it...
Not interested in paying $13K or whatever for about $3K worth of options in that package. A little too much gravy on that steak, imo.
I'm constantly amazed by what SOME people call "reasonable" prices; my HOUSE cost $19,000, worth about $38,000 now with inflation.
No way is a truck costing $65K before tax "reasonable", I don't care if Toyota, Nissan and GM are similarly priced. They're all higher than a kite.
Sticking with my future Maverick plan, F-Series has gotten out of reach for almost all Americans. I've had 3 of them, all ordered new from dealer, (one was an F-250 I still have) and never paid more than $21K, including sales tax. The 19-20 mpg shown in this video might be better than the 18.5 I get with my F-250 with a 351 V8, but it's not worth $35K more than my truck.
Tf do you live in a shed? Houses do not cost 20k unless you live in some trash no name area
These 3.5 ecoboots aren’t the most reliable. Add in the Eletric motor on the powerboost, I’ll pass on both
Arent the least reliable either, so about average and when you consider the power and fuel economy, seem to be pretty well liked.
@@ALMX5DP first on the list : cam phasers… pretty big thing.
@@bc6806 every powertrain has it's pros and cons. Also just had a quick look and seems Ford may have changed a part on 19'+ models fixing that issue.
@@ALMX5DP agree, but the 3.5s have a lot of problems. The 19s plus still have the issue
@@bc6806 again, no engine is without fault.
Great video as always Tim. Most people don't mind about MPG when they buy a full size truck. LoL
I think that's a bit of a assumption/generalization.
Maybe you don’t buy those with at least half brain do mind it