Best prediction for future results of the ANC can be based on the results of the recent past! The ANC doesn't seem to be able to do what is needed to be done to bring SA on the road to recovery!
I love listening to former president's dispensing intellectualism, it's advertisement for education and it's need in decent civilization. He is not perfect I know BUT I love him for being a model of global decent leadership who stands for interaction to solve challenges NOT missiles, bombs, violence and bloodshed . God bless you Comrade, we learn much from you.
Send young people to Paul Kagame for some political schooling and let them stay there and learn for a year.I do not know of any mentor for now here in Africa.
Yes we also want the army with automatic machine guns at every robot. We also want no free press and the homeless and mentally ill people disappearing off the streets never to be seen again. Sure we will have clean streets thats for sure. Guaranteed you have never been to Rwanda.
@@molatelofelix7084 Even if you are incompetent you can still do the right thing. How many advisers do they have? Essentially they just approve or not via signature. It is not about semantics. The ANC's decisions are based on ideology and greed and not what is best for the people. It does not take rocket science to govern.
@@petebuttons210 you say it as if you don't have experience of it before anc or the world over. Incompetent people can't compete as required. Anc doesn't approve. Individuals approve. They are not anc but members. I have a feeling that you will feel better if we are led by GENERAL HOLOMISA.
@@molatelofelix7084 I am a 52 this year and no I did not like the NP government either. In this day and age competency is a bonus and a rare thing. The point is that the ANC is toxic and it is high time another party with better ideals took over. General Holomisa would be far better than what we have but dont you think it is a little late for him? We need new young leaders with new ideas, not old leaders with old ideas and ideals.
@@petebuttons210 can we agree that governments manage corruption and to uproot it. The unfortunate thing is many of them go there for salary and not the people. To them it's money first and life later. We need a good manager of corruption.
The Western Cape Belongs to all the Wonderful Citizens who Voted For Change, Honest Leadership and Effective service delivery. Comrade Mbeki, tell us how Comrade Zuma effected your Legacy!
service delivery in which areas?. DA same as ANC, ignore those who voted them into power. DA could never get into power in the western cape based on White peoples vote only. They might find themselves out in the cold in the Western Cape if they continue as they are. People are disgruntled. Steenhuisen calling for foreigners to be given amnesty, ignoring their voters who are unemployed. Same people who worked in supermarkets, factories, hotels for decades and are now overlooked for cheap labour. SA needs a political party who works for all south africans .
Building a democratic and non-racist SA is project that has been achieved, but what about the current challengies of poverty, unemployment and economic emancipation of black people. The ANC constitution must be amended to talk to these issues as well.
achieved?Really?During Human Rights Day,a woman spoke zbout how she was mauled by 9 dogs while her master and mistress watched the gruesome activity.That happened in Delmas.
I tend to disagree with democratic & non-racist SA... there is enough proof that we have failed to do so... as for poverty and employment it has increased & deepened over 30 years...
@@michealmagagula6701 that is terrible and an isolated incident. White people are also unemployed. This thinking of a person is a certain way because of he's skin color is for narrow minded people. The problem in south Africa and the world is the leaders. Just like that problems in a household is with the head of the house.
Anc is fractured by factionalism started by the Durban statement made by Ace Magashule right after Nasrec. Factionalism should be blamed on Ace because he divided the party that Durban comment. People started regroup with some beginning to undermine the elected leadership while another group decided to protect the elected leadership
Somebody wrote a book and gave it the title:"CRY THE BELOVED COUNTRY" though the context had nothing to do with the state of our country.Are we bewitched or it's just sheer failure.We shall never recover from this gamble.
Yes, the ANC managed to create more poverty and misery for the majority of citizens, despite us having the best constitution in the world. Makes you think, doesn't it??? Give them another 30 years and see how we end up a failed state...
...sorry, the ANC has had just short of 30 years to succeed South Africa and has dismally failed. The ANC will be remembered by the new enlightened and informed generation as a looting and self gratifying party both individually and corporately. R500 BILLION ... five hundred billion looted within three months - PREPOSTEROUS.
Who will ever forget all the killings, rapes ,torture, all hell Europe has brought to this world. Yesterday it was Germany. Today is Russia. Their enemy is the same. Why??????
@@molatelofelix7084 Who will forget what Shaka Zulu did... Shaka Zulu is history, the past and i don't want to live in that past. You and i are living NOW ...it is what the ANC is doing NOW! We are living in South Africa NOW and it is NOW that we are being abused by looting and self gratifying thieves who have a title - the African National Congress. Leave the colour of the skin out of this matter of fact.
@@SpencerCourtis there is a corrupter and a corruptee. Are they both anc. KPMG is not anc for example. The main problem is color. Jacob zuma is not anc but a member. Is zuma like Ramaphosa. Stop generalizing. We both know what the problem is for sure.
When a movement is led by the charisma of a leader usually when that leader dies the movement dies with him... Our beloved OLIVER REGINALD TAMBO died with the anc in 1993
the ANC is 28 years old thats the same age as RSA ,sometimes south africans forget that fact. fixing a country with 200 years of problems is no easy feat.
and fighting against White Monopoly Capital ( i hate this phrase because of its origins but fits well in explaining SA's state of affairs). These people control the means of production which they have accumulated over 400 years in what I term as WHITE ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT and they have been a stumbling block resisting any changes that are necessary in addressing the past. These are the same people who even prefer to employ foreigners instead black South Africans, why ? They've been hell bent in making sure that black governing amounts to failure.. Why did De Klerk pull out of the government of national unity ? Because he knew it will not be long before they will be back to take over because the black government will fail partly due to not knowing how to govern, shortage of skilled personnel and knowing fully well that they have destroyed the whole generation through garbage education, the so called bantu education. So long as these very powerful people ( dare i say creatures) resist change SA has a long way to go. The unfortunate thing is that they will continue to accumulate wealth ( protected by the constitution ) and the poor will remain poor and they will continue ringing the alarm bells of an impending 'failed state' whilst they stuff their mouths with gold.
Yawn... we will really improve our situation if we stop blaming white people for our misery... we give our power away by blaming our colonial past instead of changing our future... the ANC is very good at using white people as a scapegoat for their failures. Lets blame our current Govt who is clueless about how to improve our situation
How can this man who allowed credible leaders to such Phumzile Mlambo Ngcuka to join cope in honor of his legacy and not rebuke such anti ANC behavior, how can we trust that he is now for the renewal of the ANC wen he did not say anything about the state of the ANC wen it matters the most.
If you was in his shoes what would you do? Your ANC asked him to resign as president, and he did nothing wrong they accused him for many things...He was protecting this country from corruption and ANC asked him to step down after him they immediately disbanded Scopions. So for me at that time Mbeki was not influential what ever act was going to do, was going to affect his legacy and his dignity now as a human being not as a leader. Because as a leader his dignity was already injured.
Mybe he's been PROMISED a BIG POSITION by CEREAL AMAPAPA, and 2 COME and DESTROY the ANC 4 GOOD this time, can someone tell him 2 SSHHUUUT up, please, he's SSSSOOOO BORING, and UMDALA, go read the stories 4 ur grand children please, u are IRELEVANT, his trying to HARD 2 be like, iZANDLA zaki ziXHAPE iGAZI, ABANTWANA bashiyeka bezi NKEDAMA ngenxa YAKO, and U never even APOLOGIZED about that, u never SAW any wrong doing about it, and u were never asked, and u also come forward to explain ur decisions about it 😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏Always acting HOLY
We don't want this now. Save this for 200 years to come. We can't talk ANC. The situation in South Africa presently. We don't want to hear colonizers back then. We don't want during apartheid now. You'll bore a 30 year old. You're talking history that need to be taught at school. Talk about porous borders. Talk about Hammaskraal people due to warter scarcity. Talk about decent school to be build and decent toilets for leaners. All the people who stole money in the goverment to be brought to book. Let's talk about companies that received monies. Talk about how to recover that money which is given to companies back to the communities like Hammanskraal people, help poor communities and to be given basic services. We all know where South African money went. Where is the money that was supposed to built the boarder post/ border gate.
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Best prediction for future results of the ANC can be based on the results of the recent past! The ANC doesn't seem to be able to do what is needed to be done to bring SA on the road to recovery!
It is commendable that Thabo Mbeki emulates the concept of Unity and Renewal. It is a must this time around not just buzz words.
I love listening to former president's dispensing intellectualism, it's advertisement for education and it's need in decent civilization. He is not perfect I know BUT I love him for being a model of global decent leadership who stands for interaction to solve challenges NOT missiles, bombs, violence and bloodshed . God bless you Comrade, we learn much from you.
He is good. I also like the method of his presentation.
Good in what...we always get fooled by speeches and words...let's outgrow that.
ARE U FOR REAL? , PRESENTATION? , he's saying all that NONSONSOOO 4 himself, to FEEL SSSSOOOO GOOD at himself 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@ludzulanetshivhale7295 good in presentation.
Anger plays with the mind of the ignorant. Listening is a skill. One needs to learn it.
Send young people to Paul Kagame for some political schooling and let them stay there and learn for a year.I do not know of any mentor for now here in Africa.
Yes we also want the army with automatic machine guns at every robot. We also want no free press and the homeless and mentally ill people disappearing off the streets never to be seen again. Sure we will have clean streets thats for sure. Guaranteed you have never been to Rwanda.
Schooling on how to kill your own
The ANC have had their chance 30 years it is now somebody else's chance.
It's never about chance but competency. It's not about the number of years but ability.
@@molatelofelix7084 Even if you are incompetent you can still do the right thing. How many advisers do they have? Essentially they just approve or not via signature. It is not about semantics. The ANC's decisions are based on ideology and greed and not what is best for the people. It does not take rocket science to govern.
@@petebuttons210 you say it as if you don't have experience of it before anc or the world over. Incompetent people can't compete as required. Anc doesn't approve. Individuals approve. They are not anc but members. I have a feeling that you will feel better if we are led by GENERAL HOLOMISA.
@@molatelofelix7084 I am a 52 this year and no I did not like the NP government either. In this day and age competency is a bonus and a rare thing. The point is that the ANC is toxic and it is high time another party with better ideals took over. General Holomisa would be far better than what we have but dont you think it is a little late for him? We need new young leaders with new ideas, not old leaders with old ideas and ideals.
@@petebuttons210 can we agree that governments manage corruption and to uproot it. The unfortunate thing is many of them go there for salary and not the people. To them it's money first and life later. We need a good manager of corruption.
Actions speaks louder than word.......
What Actions, Money Talks and we all know where it has gone to!
The Western Cape Belongs to all the Wonderful Citizens who Voted For Change, Honest Leadership and Effective service delivery. Comrade Mbeki, tell us how Comrade Zuma effected your Legacy!
Have you been to Khayelitsha and Manneberg ?
Even Russians no longer refer to each other as comrades. These old communists must be worried about their lavish pensions.
@@royceflight Gary here - dai storie raak afgesaag!. DA can only do so much.
service delivery in which areas?. DA same as ANC, ignore those who voted them into power. DA could never get into power in the western cape based on White peoples vote only. They might find themselves out in the cold in the Western Cape if they continue as they are. People are disgruntled. Steenhuisen calling for foreigners to be given amnesty, ignoring their voters who are unemployed. Same people who worked in supermarkets, factories, hotels for decades and are now overlooked for cheap labour. SA needs a political party who works for all south africans .
This one is dreaming and snoring racism. You lie like Europe today. It's like we read a note from CNN.
Building a democratic and non-racist SA is project that has been achieved, but what about the current challengies of poverty, unemployment and economic emancipation of black people. The ANC constitution must be amended to talk to these issues as well.
achieved?Really?During Human Rights Day,a woman spoke zbout how she was mauled by 9 dogs while her master and mistress watched the gruesome activity.That happened in Delmas.
So why are the majority of South Africans living in POVERTY while the Politicians are so WEALTHY?
I tend to disagree with democratic & non-racist SA... there is enough proof that we have failed to do so... as for poverty and employment it has increased & deepened over 30 years...
I fully agree with you.
@@michealmagagula6701 that is terrible and an isolated incident. White people are also unemployed. This thinking of a person is a certain way because of he's skin color is for narrow minded people. The problem in south Africa and the world is the leaders. Just like that problems in a household is with the head of the house.
Anc is fractured by factionalism started by the Durban statement made by Ace Magashule right after Nasrec. Factionalism should be blamed on Ace because he divided the party that Durban comment. People started regroup with some beginning to undermine the elected leadership while another group decided to protect the elected leadership
South Africa 🇿🇦 is the most unequal country in the whole world 🌎 🙄. What does the ANC do about this statement 😳.
Somebody wrote a book and gave it the title:"CRY THE BELOVED COUNTRY" though the context had nothing to do with the state of our country.Are we bewitched or it's just sheer failure.We shall never recover from this gamble.
Yes, the ANC managed to create more poverty and misery for the majority of citizens, despite us having the best constitution in the world. Makes you think, doesn't it??? Give them another 30 years and see how we end up a failed state...
...sorry, the ANC has had just short of 30 years to succeed South Africa and has dismally failed.
The ANC will be remembered by the new enlightened and informed generation as a looting and self gratifying party both individually and corporately. R500 BILLION ... five hundred billion looted within three months - PREPOSTEROUS.
Who will ever forget all the killings, rapes ,torture, all hell Europe has brought to this world. Yesterday it was Germany. Today is Russia. Their enemy is the same. Why??????
@@molatelofelix7084
Who will forget what Shaka Zulu did...
Shaka Zulu is history, the past and i don't want to live in that past. You and i are living NOW ...it is what the ANC is doing NOW!
We are living in South Africa NOW and it is NOW that we are being abused by looting and self gratifying thieves who have a title - the African National Congress.
Leave the colour of the skin out of this matter of fact.
@@SpencerCourtis there is a corrupter and a corruptee. Are they both anc. KPMG is not anc for example. The main problem is color. Jacob zuma is not anc but a member. Is zuma like Ramaphosa. Stop generalizing. We both know what the problem is for sure.
Unity om die bietjie wat nog oor is ook op te vok
When a movement is led by the charisma of a leader usually when that leader dies the movement dies with him... Our beloved OLIVER REGINALD TAMBO died with the anc in 1993
the ANC is 28 years old thats the same age as RSA ,sometimes south africans forget that fact. fixing a country with 200 years of problems is no easy feat.
and fighting against White Monopoly Capital ( i hate this phrase because of its origins but fits well in explaining SA's state of affairs). These people control the means of production which they have accumulated over 400 years in what I term as WHITE ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT and they have been a stumbling block resisting any changes that are necessary in addressing the past. These are the same people who even prefer to employ foreigners instead black South Africans, why ? They've been hell bent in making sure that black governing amounts to failure.. Why did De Klerk pull out of the government of national unity ? Because he knew it will not be long before they will be back to take over because the black government will fail partly due to not knowing how to govern, shortage of skilled personnel and knowing fully well that they have destroyed the whole generation through garbage education, the so called bantu education.
So long as these very powerful people ( dare i say creatures) resist change SA has a long way to go. The unfortunate thing is that they will continue to accumulate wealth ( protected by the constitution ) and the poor will remain poor and they will continue ringing the alarm bells of an impending 'failed state' whilst they stuff their mouths with gold.
where there is a will and willingness,there is a way.Why Paul Kagame achieved so much for his people?
The ANC is 110 years old. South Africa as a democratic republic is 28yrs old.
Yawn... we will really improve our situation if we stop blaming white people for our misery... we give our power away by blaming our colonial past instead of changing our future... the ANC is very good at using white people as a scapegoat for their failures. Lets blame our current Govt who is clueless about how to improve our situation
Stop that nonsense because ANC is going nowhere in South Africa forget because it is past tense now
Was this guy not cope?
The only president who managed to get a two thirds majority for the ANC but failed to give us back the land
How can this man who allowed credible leaders to such Phumzile Mlambo Ngcuka to join cope in honor of his legacy and not rebuke such anti ANC behavior, how can we trust that he is now for the renewal of the ANC wen he did not say anything about the state of the ANC wen it matters the most.
I fully agree with you.
If you was in his shoes what would you do? Your ANC asked him to resign as president, and he did nothing wrong they accused him for many things...He was protecting this country from corruption and ANC asked him to step down after him they immediately disbanded Scopions. So for me at that time Mbeki was not influential what ever act was going to do, was going to affect his legacy and his dignity now as a human being not as a leader. Because as a leader his dignity was already injured.
@@baneledyantyi2973 no my brother I'm not talking about Mbeki I'm talking about Julius
Why is Thabo all if a sudden active in the ANC
So is HE no longer an ANC stalwart / veteran?
Mybe he's been PROMISED a BIG POSITION by CEREAL AMAPAPA, and 2 COME and DESTROY the ANC 4 GOOD this time, can someone tell him 2 SSHHUUUT up, please, he's SSSSOOOO BORING, and UMDALA, go read the stories 4 ur grand children please, u are IRELEVANT, his trying to HARD 2 be like, iZANDLA zaki ziXHAPE iGAZI, ABANTWANA bashiyeka bezi NKEDAMA ngenxa YAKO, and U never even APOLOGIZED about that, u never SAW any wrong doing about it, and u were never asked, and u also come forward to explain ur decisions about it 😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏Always acting HOLY
@@togutini5576 for the past more than 12 years he did nothing or was it because he hated Zuma
Self protection if ANC goes down documents will be unsealed then we will know the truth. This guys are dirty
He has been fund raising overseas......
Bitter fact .
We don't want this now. Save this for 200 years to come. We can't talk ANC. The situation in South Africa presently. We don't want to hear colonizers back then. We don't want during apartheid now. You'll bore a 30 year old. You're talking history that need to be taught at school. Talk about porous borders. Talk about Hammaskraal people due to warter scarcity. Talk about decent school to be build and decent toilets for leaners. All the people who stole money in the goverment to be brought to book. Let's talk about companies that received monies. Talk about how to recover that money which is given to companies back to the communities like Hammanskraal people, help poor communities and to be given basic services. We all know where South African money went. Where is the money that was supposed to built the boarder post/ border gate.
Its just a pity that the ANC Leaders are mostly Old People who do are out of touch the younger generation of our country.
Looool mr mbheki is very god men
you had over 20 yrs to free the oppressed not only blacks,no houses-too high prices
Zuma was his nannas, he is a dreamer in Koekoeland
Mr. Mbeki why talk about unemployment as problem if you want to eradicate colonial and apartheid era? Employment was enforcement of slavery.
Mbeki was thrown out by Zuma!
decolonize mathematics?😂
Mbeki, ANC lost Western Cape because of corruption and exclusion with BEE policy.