Is the JetBoil Stash WORTH THE MONEY? - You May NOT Agree With My Conclusion!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- After my review of the JetBoil Stash several months ago, many said that you could easily make a similar system for much less than the $130 price tag of the Stash. So, I decided to compare it to 3 other combinations of popular stoves and pots.
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How would theSoto Stove Setup work regarding Fuel Consumption if it was turned down to give a longer boil time comparable to the next best Combo?
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Is the difference the burner or the fuel? Different fuel different BTUs. I suspect that the less expensive units using the same fuel would change the outcomes. Anyway, thanks so much, I had never really seen one of those before. Great job!
The Windmaster stove paired w/the Optimus Weekend HE pot is pretty hard to beat. It's not the lightest but definitely a better quality pot and a fast boiler. Thanks for the great content!
Always enjoy your stove/pot videos. I was wondering if you could make a video using the Soto Windmaster & the Firemaple 600ml Petrel HX pot ?
Man that was a great test for sure. Just an FYI, I have that BRS and have used it for quite some time with no issues. In real world conditions it will take longer with some wind and I've used a wind screen with it and actually like it a lot. Its just small and easy...
For a more accurate fuel consumption test, a (PITA!) test would be to try to match the same boil time between the systems, and then see, for that time, how much fuel is used. Tough to do. What I’d REALLY like to see is slowing the Windmaster+Olicamp down to the boil time of the Stash. My hunch is that the consumption would be FAR closer to that of the Stash. Maybe not quite as good as the optimized system of the Stash, but I bet it would be quite close. AND, the make the Olicamp system even more compelling, from a cost standpoint, I’d swap out the Windmaster for the Amicus.
GREAT review, as usual. That you PHMD!
I had both those same thoughts as well lol. I have the XTS pot, windmaster, and the little Sterno inferno pot. The windmaster and the Sterno pot are a great combo.
My go to set up similar to these is the Optimus terra weekend HE (heat exchanger) and SOTO Amicus sove, 2 cups of water will boil in 1:30.
Small gas canister and stove plus odds and ends will fit in the pot.
You could try the Soto Windmaster with the Jet Boil pot., just a thought.
That combination would cost about $200.
@@waxler2 except he already has it. Just a test.
Gotcha.
And vice versa- use the stash stove with the Olliecamp stove and compare fuel usage. The trade space really being how do you interpret efficiency- weight or fuel? In the case of a short or duration trips, fuel efficiency wins in that as it lowers carbon footprint globally, lengthens the duration to refuel in town by trading the 1 min additional boil time therefore increases time on trail and mileage…. Weight is weight, pot or stove… just my two cents. The more you use the Stash, money wise it pays for itself in fuel efficiency over time whereas the others continue to burn more fuel costing more money on fuel so you can save time with more weight.
I'd love to see you test the JetBoil Stash pot on top of the Soto Windmaster for the ultimate stove kit where money is no object
Thanks for the video. I agree with you on personal choice. I recently upgraded from BRS/Stanley adventure setup to a jetboil stash but only because I used a 20% coupon from REI. So at $100 not so painful. Paul messner does a great video on upfront cost verse long term fuel cost and at what point they break even. If you have time that might be a good factor to put in your videos. Pretty eye opening. Keep up the good vids!
Did he calculate fuel cost with the cost of fresh canisters?
Because with a small adaptor you can refill small fuel canisters from larger tanks cutting down fuel cost immensly (refilling a 11kg tank costs me 20€ at the local hardware store while fresh 100 gram canisters cost me 4€+ each)
Thru hiker here: My priorities are a) weight and b) cost.
a) I combine the BRS3000T with a Toaks UL 550ml and that weighs a lot less of what the jetboil would. Efficiency does become important but only after a certain point. And testing for speed doesn't really tell how efficient the BRS is. I turn it way down and don't mind the few minutes more as I eat other stuff and cooking is the happy time anyway. I use my sitpad as a windscreen.
So if by that I can use around 5gr of fuel for cooking 2oz of water, the 110ml canister lasts me around 20 days which is plenty.
b) the $80 I save over the Jetboil pays for one hotel room in most trail towns or two if I share. Or 3 hostel rooms. That's a no brainer as getting out of the rain after days is infinitely more important to my comfort and well being than the few minutes of down time and slight decrease in usability.
Thanks for the video!
This video made me realize that a twig stove is what i really need. Hurricanes have a way of bringing entire trees to you afterall...
I Purchased that jet boil system this last spring, but didn’t own it even a week. It was impossible to pour slowly directly from the pot. I use pour over coffee filters, so I ended up spilling more water than I got in the filter. Like you, I have plenty of stove and pot combinations to make me giddy. I also have a windmaster, XTS pot, and that great little sterno pot with the heat exchanger. And then A lid from four dog? meant for the smaller imusa mug, that fits perfectly. And the larger one actually fits my XTS pot as well
Ultimately I think from thru hiker point of view the 3 grams fuel use of the Stash is a clear winner. I do use a cook system on trail and I And I am a coffee drinker so I do use fuel and not every re supply location has fuel. Great video.
That was so awesome !!! That windmaster was amazing !!! Take care and stay safe my friend!!!
Hey Ernie, could you combine the windmaster with that sterno pot you featured a while ago? It had a similar bottom to the flex ring and seemed pretty sturdy. Maybe that's an even better combo than the olicamp?
What if you used the Stash Kit but replaced the stove with the Soto Windmaster?
Just buy the olicamp pot and stop flushing your money down the toilet lol
@@totoroben I did and it's too large
That's exactly what I did thinking the Windmaster was more fuel efficient now. I'm just thinking about returning it lol
The Jet Boil Stash with a medium flame would probably used less fuel. THAT. Can be very welcome news on the trail.
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I have the Stash. Tried everything over the last 30 years including many homemade alco stoves. Field use is in the field is way different from your kitchen. Pocket Rocket and BSR wrecked fuel consumption. A little breeze and your boil time drastically increases. If you're going for more than just one night, get Stash. Or no stove. "The lightest stove is no stove."
Faster boil vs Fuel consumption: If you're planning a longer hike, fuel consumption (less fuel to carry, more time between resupply) would be a factor. The Stash system consumes almost 1/2 the fuel as the other combinations, right? Is the lower fuel consumption due to a better pot design, or a more efficient stove, or both? Curious what you'd find if you test the Stash stove with the Olicamp (for example) pot??
You can boil 2 cups with the XTS and a SOTO Amicus for 5 or 5 grams of fuel if you don't open it up all the way. A medium flame on all your stoves uses less fuel to boil water than opening it up all the way. Boil time is a pour measurement.
I am curious as to why it looks like the stoves are run full blast. That is very wasteful of fuel. If there are flames extending beyond the bottom that heat is largely wasted. There are reasons the jetboils usually have a max output far less in cases than a regular stove and not having the stove operate at a higher wasteful burn rate it one of them. Although when it comes to the stash that is a bit underpowered for colder temps and partially used cans.
I just bought this same combo: olicamp + windmaster stove. I didn't bother with the BRS because it doesn't hold up to the slightest breeze.
Ernie, a bit off topic but what's the watch that you're wearing on the outdoor shots in this video? I love my watches, and the one you're wearing looks nice.
Thank you for your honest review.
That's good advice thanks for posting. I went from a GSI cup to a toaks 1,100ml pot with BRS stove and jetboil fuel canister. My time changed from 3 and a half minutes to 1 minute. Sometimes it boils quicker depending on wind or not and water depth.
I have a Jobsworth X2 from Planet Bikes, I don't know if they're available in the US tbh and they're a bit more like the original Jetboil. But, it only cost £35 which is 1/4 of the Jetboil price. I love it. But, i still pick up my Trangia and titanium mug before the gas canisters stoves... I don't know why, I just love the Trangia spirit stove and the relaxing silence of using it, there's just something about it... 🤔
Agreed... The near silence of a trangia is priceless. 👍
What do you mean by "it's a little bit looser feeling"? I have seen many reviews of that pot (Olicamp XTS) and I have never seen a review describe that pot as poor quality. I've seen numerous complaints about the lid, but not the pot. Could you please detail what you found objectionable about that pots construction? Thank you.
I have a olicamp and an msr pocket rocket deluxe and it’s by far the best combo for quick boils. It’s incredible.
Nice comparison. It did trigger a couple of questions:
1. Olicamp makes the exact same pot without the XTS fins, would you consider a head-to-head between these pots to isolate the difference that the heat exchanger makes?
2. Have you tested the XTS pot with a Trangia?
Would love to see a compassion with the Jetboil Basecamp. Just can’t decide if I wanna drop nearly $400
Why run the burners at the maximum setting. To me it makes more sense to adjust the flame to the bottom of the pot. This way you save ( conserve ) fuel and still get the best performance from the burner. Reminds me of the old adage .. " Haste makes waste " Personally , I go camping to take life easy , relax and not to get in a hurry about anything. I'll stay with my Alcohol burner , Wood burning combination , nice and quiet. As far your question...Is the Jet Boil worth the money , The three "N's" .. Nay , No , Not for me.
Really interesting test Ernie.
Ernie, I know you are on a hiatus, but have you tried using a frypan with your Stash?? I am looking at this cook kit just because of the longer arms on the stove to be able to have more stability using a frypan.
The purpose of your hike is to relax and enjoy the outdoors. So what's the value of a 3 min boil so that you can re-hydrate a pack of Thai curried chicken noodles? Get a cheap, slower stove and set up your tent. I use a Trangia and i'm usually pissed that the water boils before camp chores are completed.
Just for input, high is just about never the fastest or most efficient boil with a cup and stove. Turn that thing down so the flame isn't blasting around the outside of the cup and it will boil nearly twice as fast with about 2/3 of the fuel. All the flame going around the cup is just wasted heat. Also with a 5 minute mod to make a few notches in the bottom of the XTS, the BRS will go securely inside the HE ring and be a contender at less weight.
Excellent! Thanks for the comparison. Good to know the fuel consumption. Like you said, thru or long hike, the stash.
I love the windmaster for build quality and high heat but for simmering has to be turned down to the point where the flame will blow out easily.
I used the jet boil micromo stove with the olycamp pot and boiled water in 1:40 m. With the micromo pot nesting in it I have good combination to cook asian food such as cary gravy and rice or pasta in shot time
Thank you! Incredibly useful video ❤
I use the Olicamp XTS Pot with BRS head
The small head fits inside the heat exchanger fins so there is minimal heat loss
And the flame pattern is focused
Great combo
I saw the stash the other day and was interested! Great video! My current set up and favourite so far is the msr pr2 and msr titan cup with optimus windscreen. I just don’t like how much fuel it burns. My old jetboil flash is much more efficient so I bring that one on longer outings
Hands down favorite all time is my Windburner. I think you could make a cheap version with the sterno stove pot and a brs? Don't know if the stand is wide enough
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I think if you torn down a bit the soto windmaster , it will take a longer time to get to boil water , but less gas and in the end will be equivalent with jetboil in time and consumption , but soto it will have the advantage of faster boil at any time against jetboil
My personal opinion is
Jetboil is the Mercedes of all cooking systems
Soto is the Mercedes of all stoves
I think while actually using the stove on trail turning the flame down is the way to go. But for testing purposes it’s really hard to accurately say “ok all stoves were used at %60 of output or whatever the target is” because different stoves having different adjustments per turn etc. so it could skew results due to lack of consistency
Why didn’t you use the stash with the wind master
Ernie check out the Vire titanium rocket stove.
I’m also wondering if you lowered the output on the soto/xts combo, could you get a boil time of around 3 mins with less fuel usage?
Good test Ernie, I think the fuel usage actually becomes more relevant when your melting ice and snow. The challenge is I don’t think any of these stoves have regulators for the cold. But this is the only time it’s become a big issue for me.
The Soto Windmaster has a regulator. I would imagine the Windmaster could just be turned down to save fuel; full blast seems excessive.
Ballpark is that heat exchanger pots are about 30% more efficient than similar sized non HE pots. Like 7 grams per 2 cup boil vs 5. May not be worth the weight penalty unless it keeps you from going to a bigger or additional canister. Or as mentioned a bit faster snow melting or a similar case of boiling large amounts of water and wanting it to be quicker. Regulators mainly serve to keep from having to adjust the stove output as often as pressure drops due to canister cooling.
Hi if i put soto amicus in this pot with small msr cannister it will be fit?
The main problem with the Jetboil system is its high weight of 200grams.
A windmaster with a toaks 550ml (with lid) is just 129 grams and with a 100 gram canister that lasts me for 7+ days while hiking.
And since i dont really hike any longer without resupplying the jetboil system is for me the inferior option.
But it could be nice if you travel in a group and heat lots of water with it for everyone. Then the higher fuel efficiency might be worth it. (but since boil times add up that will take its time)
$180 🇨🇦 for the Stash at MEC here in Vancouver BC
Would I use the Stash hiking ? No. Not when my MKettke ghillie kettle is so efficient at boiling water (that's all I do with my stoves - I don't cook meals over them), and fuel (pinecones, grass, birchbark, twigs, fatwood, paper etc is all free.
I did buy the Stash because I wanted to try it and it packs compact in my load bearing webbing rig. I'll probably use it during fire bans or in parks where no fires (even in Ghillie kettles) are allowed.
The Evernew MugPot 900 weighs 3.5 oz not 4.8 oz :)
What kind of lighter is that you are using to light the stove with
Love my Brs 3000..... and carry a spare... for less than 2 oz........ tho 4g fuel vs 7g would add up on long gigs
Where did u get those pants ??🤔
Good video. Thx.
Almost half the fuel for the jetboil. Surpising! My impression is that its flame is smaller than the rest. Maybe due to this more heat can be taken up by the pot and transferred to the water. Less heat is wasted to the side of the pot.
Have you tested the flux ring technology with an alcohol stove?
I’ve used the flux ring kettle I’ve got on my trangia 27 kit as well as on an old whitebox stove, and multiple different gas stoves. It makes a significant difference on all of them. It cut my boil time by several minutes, nearly in half. Gave my alcohol stove boil times comparable to a decently fast canister stove
The price is at least way better than here. We have to pay €169.95, which is around $203. I just can't make myself do that, no matter how much I like the set.
Personally I would go with the stash since lower usage is more valuable than speed. Additionally I'd disagree that the stove on the stash is inferior. It seems to me that the fuel efficiency is achieved through matching the burner with the pan efficiently, with the jet shape, and intensity, matched to the pan to reduce energy wastage. The extra $20, or so, will easily be recouped over a season with fuel savings and, if it is anything like my now 13+ year old, well used, original JetBoil, will go on, and on, and on, just hauling in those savings on the wallet, and the spine, over the years :)
One issue that has shown up in testing of the stash stove relates to it being only 4500 BTU. You can get full output in warm weather but as it gets colder and your can is halfway used up the output can drop dramatically as it doesn't have as much headroom to open up as other stoves.
Soto Windmaster with a heat ring pot using the same fuel as a BRS with a smooth bottom pot. I say that speaks pretty low of the Soto.
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JetBoils are like a sports cars. 99% of the people who own them dont need them.
If you are on the side of Everest, where every gramme counts, and your whole group is sharing the JetBoil, then those few grammes of fuel efficiency are worth it.
But for most people, they are taking a heavier cooking system, in order to save one or two grammes of fuel, and the maths does NOT work out. You are carrying extra weight, to save a tiny amount of fuel, and you now have to pack-out from your camp carrying the extra weight of your cooking system AND the fuel you saved lol.
If you are cooking for a whole camp, boiling all your water for safety, and out in the woods for two weeks, then knock yourself out and go for supremo elite kit.
But lets be real here, a tiny BRS micro-stove and a gas canister will most likely take care of an individual camper for most of a season. Why pack an extra 300 grammes in order to save 4 grammes of fuel, when you are just going to pack it all up and carry it home.
Seems to me that time is not important... Fuel conservation is the key aspect...
Seems like those stoves all using 7g of fuel… the faster stoves could let out more fuel at a faster rate.
As someone who hikes long distances solo and only boils once, occasionally twice, per day, neither the Jetboil nor the Windmaster "win" for my use case. I have a small pack and a light load and my BRS plus my Evernew 550mL pot is way smaller and lighter, plus all I need is a single 110g cartridge to see me to my next resupply (usually max 10 days and more often 5-7 days between resupplies).
By the way, running the stoves at max is the least fuel-efficient way to boil water! So, the Jetboil's efficiency would be even better at about half-throttle!
MSR stove with olicamp pot
I wish Americans could adopt the metric system. Hearing ounces hurts my ears.
First jetboil product I am not thrilled with
Now try them in the wind
I'm obviously an old fart because I don't mind waiting a few minutes longer when I'm making a cup of coffee outdoors on my Trangia or hobo stove.
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You should test all pot in same stove, this test proves nothing:(
I would rather pay a higher upfront cost knowing I can use half the fuel to do the same job, nobody should be in a situation where an extra 2 min boil time is worth bringing 3cans vs just needing 1.....but i know there are those kinds of people out there lol
you had a chance to measure the gas flow. but you not :(