@@SpaceCase1214 I've always wondered: would the end product of crossing an imperial tie fighter and a mobile ball be better or worse than the originals that went in...?
@@IronWarhorsesFun Not really. More like them focusing a high amount of firepower on a smaller target, which is akin to creating a laser that can cut through a bunker designed to withstand nukes.
So....anyone else notice with the Neo Zeong that the top speed is 88.89...and Full Frontal shows a history and future of the universe. 88 MPH or 88Gs, either will get you moving through time!
Just like most science fiction, most mobile suit stats are just numbers for the sake of having numbers. I wouldn't say they're _intentionally_ unreliable, but expecting them to be reliable is a fool's errand. A lot of the time, writers just slap some numbers that "sound right" into place simply to have this fake depth of canon and lore, with little regard to what numbers came before. Also, as a fiction writer, it's easier to put concepts into words than into numbers, especially when you're writing fiction for a 30-year-old franchise where the numbers that were written before you were even born didn't make sense. This is a problem that permeates through almost all of fiction, not just gundam.
Whoever is running the stats is just putting some stats out that sound awesome and probably don't care about consistency. I wouldn't get so worked up about it.
Remember the out of universe justification for mobile suits. They thought the public would attatch itself more to a humanoid thing than a tank. And, as Halo shows. Yes.
I wouldn't really call it magic - I'd just call it lazy writers who weren't double-checking their work with other members of the mecha design teams in production of the series. Also, regarding the earlier point about mecha making no sense in warfare, that is only partially true. There are scenarios I'd think a humanoid mobile weapon would be superior than fighters or tanks - mainly when you take into account space combat. Think about it: Space isn't like fighting in the ocean or in the air: there is no air resistance, or water pressure in space. Fighters don't fly around in space like they do in atmosphere like Star Wars tries to imply. In fact, the most realistic Sci-Fi shows like Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 show space combat in the best way: fighters capable of manuvering in tight turns via RCS thrusters, since there is no air resistance. However, this also points out a major flaw in starfighters: they have to be pointing AT the target to hit them. In space combat, this is an archaic way of combat to have to turn the whole craft around to engage a target. But with a mobile weapon, you can ignore that pitfall all together. A machine wouldn't have to turn all away around, it could literally just aim the gun behind without loosing its inertia to spin around. Not to mention how an M.S could carry more various weaponry, and could make more full advantage of the environment of space that a fighter couldn't do. After all, if your war machine has limbs, you aren't restricted to guns - you can punch or kick an enemy who gets in close, rather than being forced into some endless turning battle. Not to mention how they could be used in other non-combat roles like construction.
Thank you! Finally found someone that could see the points of having an MS as a war machine. And the points you pointed out are absolutely correct, which, most, especially those that hate mechas tend to overlook or ignore. I mean they really like to point out how MS doesn't make sense due to certain elements and that they only exist due to the rule of cool...but then they didn't realize that most depiction of sci-fi spacefighter are also done because of rule of cool and not what makes sense. Best example is putting turrets on a spacefighter. It would make a lot of difference, with the spacefighter not needing to use valuable fuel to fire up their RCS just to orient their often fixed guns to the enemy. Plus, turrets can fire backwards against chasing enemies or shoot down missiles. Funnily enough, suggest this to spacefightet fans and they would reject it. Why? They would say that turrets are inefficient due to it would cost more fuel due to the added weight on the spacefighter (yet they didn't consider the massive fuel needed just to turn fixed weapons on a target, compared to turrets that doesn't need to do so), impractical because modern fighter jets didn't do it, and those used in WW1-WW2 doesn't fare well (forgetting that comparing atmospheric fighter to a space one doesn't make sense to begin with). In the end, most spacefighter lovers only love it because it resembled atmospheric fighters too much and not actually because they make sense. If they do love it because it make sense, then they would have favoured a more realistic design such as armored cockpit, larger fighters with turrets and the like. But they don't like these things because it would make their spacefighter look ugly and less cool.
Exactly. Heck, there are even in-atmosphere uses for mecha. First, amphibious missions. A large mecha would probably be much more effective underwater than a large submarine for many of the same reasons in space, over using large submarines. Collecing Marine wild life, constructing underwater facilities... heck, even today we're using robotics underwater already, so simply making something larger isn't too far off from reality. To modify a quote made by the Templin Institute regarding Battletech; To judge a mobile weapon by the criteria of a tank or aircraft, and declare the tank and aircraft the superior fighting machine ignores what makes a mobile weapon, or any mech-based weapon, unique - and in many cases, far more effective. Firstly, the Legs. Most critics will say the legs are the weakest part of a mech, so take them down and its game over. Technically, this is true - however, that is easier said than done. We're talking about firing at two, low-profile targets that are constantly decelerating and accelerating as the mech/walker/mobile weapon moves around. Not exactly an easy shot for even the best marksman. So most will probably aim for the torso/head, which would be easier targets for sure, but much more heavily armored. Also, even if M-Particles weren't a thing, there are tons of other ways to make Mobile Weapons survive longer in long-range combat by applying defensive systems, like protective rockets, decoys, radar-jammers and countermeasures, an MS could probably prevent most guided munitions from hitting it. And given its height, it would have higher radar penetration area, thus more likely to detect enemy threats. And its height gives it a commanding view of a battlefield - being able to see OVER a battle space, as opposed to being stuck to ground-level, giving its weapons and optics more range. Then there comes the ways its superior. Sure, you could argue tanks are better in wide-open terrains with little obstruction, or even in tight city streets with lots of cover. But put them in dense forests, swamps or mountains and they become more of a liability - as their mobility gets cut in half. Meanwhile a mobile suit, or any similar mech, is not at nearly a heavy disadvantage since they can just casually walk past such terrain, or climb/jump over it. And given how many M.S are given thrusters capable of propelling them over great distances, and their combat effectiveness over tanks skyrockets as well. Not to mention how a mobile weapon could help ferry support and equipment across difficult terrain - I believe the best example of this is the ZGMF-1000 Hospital ZAKU, it is basically a ZAKU Warrior repurposed to carry four mobile medical stations on its back. Imagine how useful it could be if you could transport an entire M.A.S.H across a mountain or swamp without needing to stop? Or make it so its carrying extra weapons, supplies or even reinforcements in areas that are unaccessable due to enemy anti-air or roadside checkpoints. Sure they may preform poorly in some instances, but that is the case for every weapon of war ever created. Aircraft preform poorly in bad weather. Tanks and other armored vehicles preform poorly in conditions where they can't move. Like all military weapons of war, they are best used in speciialized situations which benefit from their pro's, while offsetting their cons. To say a Mobile Suit is inferior because they can't fight like a tank, is like saying Aircraft Carriers are useless because they can't work on land. @@secondsein7749
@@117Jorn Yeap. Oh and you know what's the funniest thing is? Is that most of the mecha haters tend to claim it isn't realistic especially in terms of logistic. In reality, in the long run, mecha are much better at logistic management. Here's the truth about ammunition-dependent weapons; they are only weapons as long as they have ammo. Run out of it, and they would cease being a weapon. Without ammo, guns are nothing more than just a clubbing tool, tanks are nothing more than just an armored vehicle and spacefighters are just high tech spaceship. The ammo issue is funnily enough, often ignored in most discussions. Of course, can't blame them much as most fiction depiction of war often ignore ammo issue as well. This is especially prevalent in games where they either give unrealistic ammunition (Ace Combat games tend to give player 50+ missiles) or just infinite ammo (Mechwarrior, other mecha games, gundam also guilty of this). Understandably, this is done for gameplay convenience as it would be annoying to keep returning to base to resupply. However, outside of those medium, to discuss about realism, the issue of ammunition can't be ignored because well, infinite ammo is a ridiculous concept. You could have it, but those are only in extremely high tech settings, but most mecha shows aren't that high tech. There's a saying; amateurs think about strategy, professionals think of logistics. A mecha, especially the ones with human hands however, are still dangerous even unarmed.. They can fashion weapons from anything they can grab. And that's if they really have no other weapon left. MS' tend to be equipped with melee weapons and many mecha haters would scoff at the idea, saying that an advanced warmachine would never get in melee range to ever use it, nor even if they do, they can simply fire their guns. They could only ever say that because well, they never have to worry about ammo in their mind. But, what happens when they do ran out of ammo? Do they simply RTB in the middle of battle and let the enemy stay in their objective zone? Even if they do reach the base, the process of reloading their weapons platform itself would take a considerable amount of time. Meanwhile, an MS can still remain in the battlefield even with their ammo spent as long as they have their melee weapons. There's also the question that sometimes, melee option are better. Collateral damage is something that, like the ammunition issue, people tend to ignore. Sure, you could build a supertank to match a mecha, or even mechwarrior mechs, but the thing is, because they only have ranged weapons, their capability for collateral damage is too high. Heck, watch the trailers for the new mechawarrior game where they fight in city settings. Those mechs just casually level cities. Meanwhile, an MS are able to drastically reduce collateral by using melee weapons instead. Heck this is actually the best method in case there's a fighting in extremely sensitive settings such as inside space colonies. And that's not even touching the capacity for quick, and on the field resupply and hardware change. A tank, if its turret were damaged, would have to go back to the base, require special equipment to have the turret removed and get a new one installed. Meanwhile, a mecha whose weapons are damaged can simply throw it away and swap for a new one, on the spot. This practically give MS significantly longer staying power than tanks. This is best shown in the movie Expelled From Paradise. In the final battle, the heroine in her mecha has to fight off against around 10 mecha opponents. She doesn't have weapons with infinite ammo of course, however, because she has prepared weapon caches around the battlefield, she was able to change weapons on the go and defeat all her opponents. Had she use a tank or a mechwarrior mech, she would have run out of weapon or have her weapons destroyed long before she could destroy half of the opposition. And finally, MS has something that other conventional warmachines lack. VALUE outside of combat. This is as you have pointed out; a mecha can be used for purposes other than combat and this is significant. Why? Because realistically, maintaining war machines during peacetime is often seen as a waste as they aren't used for their purpose. Granted, most fictions tend to be in war all the time, but if we are talking about realistic settings, where we only have our modern world for reference, then we also have to discuss the situation where in the story, there aren't always going to be war. Heck, we already have proof in real life where the USA has a surplus of tanks that their army doesn't want, because they weren't able to use all of them since there aren't any major wars. Conventional or even specialized warmachines such as tanks are a waste in peacetime. They have no use. Meanwhile, an MS can be used for a variety of purposes such as cleaning space junk, construction machines for space projects, or even act as improvised RCS units for objects lacking them. Meanwhile, a spacefighter such as an X-Wing would destroy themselves first if they try this. It isn't the strongest, nor the fastest but the most adaptable that would survive in the end. A mecha is adaptable. But of course, they would argue that it is better to specialize, but trust me, modern warmachines only specialize because they couldn't do otherwise at the moment. But the moment we have the capacity to build, let's say the Variable Fighter from Macross...the concept of specialization would fly out of the window.
@@secondsein7749 mecha maintainence would be hell on earth too many moving parts. Look at any successful weapon in the history of mankind, what did they all have in common? Efficiency, ergonomic designs and low production costs.
Finally, some one understands. Mobile suits can be a potentially lethal weapon. In most cases, at least in a open field, a mobile suit would not be very affective unless we bust out Mobile suits with long range weapons(think about the ground gundam and its 180 mm canon.) Where Mobile suits would shine would be in space.
One thing that Boofire191 doesn't address is that G's measure acceleration, not top speed. Acceleration=/=Top speed. As a real world analogy, you can have two identical machines and adjust one to accelerate harder and one to have a higher top speed via gearing. Of course, if you want to increase acceleration AND speed, you will need to increase your power to weight ratio. You can do this by either adding power, reducing weight, or both.
Big problem in this video, you keep saying topspeed and speed while talking about the Gs, which are acceleration. As far as I know, we have no idea about the actual topspeeds of MSs,. In space, it would be limited almost only by their reaction mass, what they eject through their thrusters, for example, but weird orbit manoeuvers could still enhance it, and Gundam's space battles and manoeuvers are not the most hard-scientific to begin with... Superior aceleration is a great factor in fights though, so your point still makes most sense. I looked into all this stat stuff because I wanted to model Mobile Suits in a ttrpg. Macross, especially the older series, gives a bit more to chew on in the stats department. All this research and effort was a real headache of newtons, Gs, metric tons, eyeballed drag coeficients... I ended up not thinking too much about that and guesstimating stuff on the fly. I get your point though, all this stuff is esoteric at best, nonsensical at worst.
I think this mostly comes of to missinformation and/or dissinterest in the particular stats. I personally care about the stats, and I think that they need to be revized. For now I judge based on what is seen rather than written so I wouldn't really call the MSs magic. I for one never considered any of the more fantastical aspects of Gundam to be magic.
Vladimir Mihnea I bet you if From Software ever developed a Gundam game they would straighten out all the stats if the Armored Core series is anything to go off of.
I'd love to see a more detailed explanation of how and why a man-shaped vehicle would be advantageous in an environment with Minovsky particles screwing with everything. The answer here that mobile suits "just have more speed, more firepower, and more armor" doesn't make sense. Why not just make a tank, ship, or strike craft with all of the above? But the answer that does make sense is that with long-range combat eliminated by the Minovsky sensor interference, the man-shaped vehicle's ability to fight up close, even hand-to-hand actually becomes valuable. Or that the control interface to aim a mobile suit's rifle might be more responsive and accurate than a turret. (though good luck explaining that one)
5:55 depends. gundam the origin manga originally from the series the gm were suppose to be stronger but at the time the grunt unit zakus were more popular toy sale wise so they underpower gms. in the manga though gms slaughter alot of zaku units consdiering the gm is a mass produce version of a gundam basically with lesser firepower and armor but still can over power zaku weaponry and armor. also the gm is a high adaptive mobile suit that can change parts and equipment well unlike a zaku where its mostly its own thing beside a limb, thruster change. which is why later on you see upgraded/mark versions of gm that later down the road became jegans in chars counter attack or my favorite from unicorn the jestas.
Forget naked women bait, i want power levels for these fucking things because as it stands it seems like the middle part of UC happens to be more powerful than late UC with all the newtype magic psychoframe fin funnel bullshit that seems to get thrown out the window come F90-Crossbone since it seems that even though those suits are smaller and faster, people collectively agree that CCA-Hathaway mobile suits are peak power above all (except if we count Victory 2).
i have an issu with al of this. G dosen't equal speed. G equals Accelaration. this factor is createt by the momentum of an object as it accelerates. this means: the heavyer an object, the higher the G's wenn accelerating, as long as thh speed at wich it accelarates is the same. so it makes complete sense that the heavyest mobilesuit has the highest G rating. but it dosent make it the fastest MS Out there.Becouse accelaraton mand max velocitie are not the same . ps sorry for bad english
The stats are not magic it's the same nonsense you see in Star Wars. Like a Star Destroyer statistically having the power to destroy an entire planet, yet....... the Empire has to build a space station to do so instead? This is "NONSENSE" Made people people who are well, fiction writers, not scientist. They would literally have to hire an "ULTRA" Gundam fan/expert on the shows themselves, who isn't bias toward any particular machines, to make a more accurate data list, even then it would likely take that person years to do so. Problem is now, I think they make it up as they go when ever they need to do so. For the first say ten years of Gundam Performances Stats didn't exist, heck even the names of the Suits were not fluid. Like Zaks becoming Zakus, Zion becoming Gion, Jion and Zeon. etc etc NO ONE should take this 'data' at face value. I much prefer going to MAHQ over the Wiki anyways. Though they don't have Gs listed they do have weight/tonnage compared to thrust outputs available for individuals to calculate. That being said in space there should be no speed limits anyways, as there should be no g-forces so there should be no cap on top speeds, only acceleration. So it should be all about thrust to weight ratios. At least that is how we used to do Gundam roleplays... ie no top speed, only acceleration, ie if you have a higher thrust to weight you can just run away if you want. Even Char's Zaku in Origin according to the anime isn't "Better" than other Zakus it just has the performance limiters disengaged ie "Governors" which gives it one heck of a acceleration. This could be a factor into why some suits have the potential to be faster but are not faster.
Kameraden It comes down to the fact that the Death Star is far more efficient than any conventional Warship. It takes a fleet of ships hours to glass a planet's surface.
@@sacredbeastzenon I was referring to the primary power source within a Star Destroyer being powerful enough to crack a planet, essentially killing it, if it was able to detonate it's reactor. Implying the Death Star is kind of a waste of resources.
@@Alte.Kameraden unless the deathstar is cheaper per shot and thus overall better, especially when it is suppposed to have a fleets worth of turbo blasters and impenatrable armor, if it wasn't for its weak spot it would be the ultimate weapon, while a star destroyer is just a powerful ship.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 this, the death star IS by normal means undefeatable. People tend to forget that the shot that killed it was near impossible and only achieved by a stroke of luck of having the right person at the right time. If the Rebels didn't have Luke, it would have reign supreme. There's a dorkly video (I think it's dorkly or collegehumor) that pointed this out. Also, due to the case of sci-fi writers having no sense of scale and due to the limitations of the time, the death star should have been protected by hundreds if not thousands of ships and fighters, making any low quantity attempt to destroy it near impossible.
You probably shouldn’t worry about the inconsistencies you know Star Wars has the same problem have you seen some of the stats for ships in Star Wars legends it makes no sense seriously according to Star Wars legends an executor class superstar destroyer would exert more energy than sun makes
Zudah offered "unprecedented" thrust but it wasn't greater than the more powerful units that came later. It's refined Saturn engine was used on the Dom for example, so a Gelgoog is still a substantially more powerful machine. What makes the Zudah special is it offered Dom or Gouf level performance when it's main competitor was the Zaku 1. Still you're right that it's stats are total crap. I'd attribute that to authors just wanting the thing they made to be cool without thinking about plausibility.
I really like your gundam videos and I hope you can keep making them. I'm a bit of a new fan. I've seen the older gundam shows as a child but I really got into gundam because of thunderbolt and IBO.
I agree, MS stats primarily exist to justify general power classification more than anything and past a certain point(especially in non-UC series) it's abhorrent nonsense. Yes, better tactics and skill can push one MS to be able to defeat a much more high end one, and of course there will always be a limit to just how much more you can get out of better suits if you lack the skill, training, and even physical capability to accomplish much with it... but at the end of the day the media justifies itself without having to kneel to the ghosts of statistical measurement. Wing Zero's buster rifle can blow away resource satellites and colonies no problem, then have to struggle against the shielding of a buried ground target because the plot demands it. A Zaku I can struggle and get destroyed by the RX-78-2 Gundam, and then later on one can take the RX-78-6 Mudrock Gundam in hand to hand combat because reasons. An upgraded relic from the OWY like the Efreet Schneid can take out a GM Semi-striker from well after the war, escape from the battle zone WHILE holding it's own against the pursuing Byarlant Custom that was causing everyone else grief, AND ward off pirate forces using suits like the Zaku III because Fred Reber is just that badass apparently.
I have to point out that 20G is briefly survivable, and modern fighter pilot uniforms can make repeated 9g survivable. So the zeong is more like 4 times what the human body can survive (briefly with help). Not over 10.
Remember captain full frontal (aka the “second coming of char”) stole the sinanju from anaheim electronics and he made it in his personal use soooo…my theory is that he changed the mobile suits reactor because it “might” be expiremental
I just really love your channel, you are definitely the best Gundam TH-camr, you even have made me re-think how I look at the series as a whole, thank you for the content you make
i do have one question.. according to google G's are a gravitational force put on a pilot, not a speed factor. im also not seeing the other stats of the suit. like inertial compensators, thrust capacity, or actual speed factors like KPH, or MPH, or even Mach factors. these factors also play into the highlights your talking about. dont get me wrong i do agree that mobile suits are super machines that dont make alot of sense when you actually think about it.. gundam seed, one of my favorite series has loads of super gundams that break the world they exist in. but i dont think G's are what you are describing them as.
Narrative Gundam explained that Full Frontal constructed and designed the Neo Zeon using memory and data of char's last encounter with Amuro and that data probably is no human in nature anymore. According to them New Types are humans that can connect with high dimensions and talk to the "dead" who resides on those dimensions.
OG Gundam always drove me mad!! They make Gundam so OP in the very beginning but later have a couple of guys plant some tiny bombs on it and that's going to do it in 😂 I mean come on!! Gundam's shield takes a Zaku's heat axe and bazooka like it's nothing, but this tiny bomb the size of a football a soldier plants on the shield blows it in half. This has always drove me mad.
Thank you for this video! Someone had to say it! It was meant to sell toys...like the transformers, thundercats, etc. The hero mech is going to be a bit (in this case, WWWWWAAAAYYYYY) OP. However, the creators want you to take it seriously, so they created statistics for them and these were only done in Zeta. Sunrise retconned the original machines and gave them (pretty much) arbitrary stat lines. They quit caring a long time ago. And the Gabby is one of my *favorite* machines. The model, unfortunately, has issues with it's armor popping off, so you have to glue it in some cases...making it unable to transform... *Sigh*
7:40 the only number on the gaffling (i dont know how to spell it) that makes sense is the mobile armor. The MS speed shouldve been like 1.76 Gs or something to that effect
Only really gets absurdly magical in the Gundam Unicorn UC timeline in my opinion.... Everything else is just mind powers which isn't much for actually piloting a mobile suit.
2:42 Sometimes this comes in the form of the universal century's marvels, like the space colonies, or, super weapons, (me: like the space colonies? too soon?)
What could fix the neo zeong? Liquid filled cockpit ahla "The Abyss". Though don't expect any monologuing by Full Frontal (maybe he would pre-record his monologue?). Also Full Frontal was a clone/engineered human/ Newtype so his tolerance's could be higher that a(n) "normal"(old type). This top speed could be the result of the final sequence we see it in being a sort of"time travel" via pycho-frame/waves, not actual speed in a way. Again, you could very well be right and it could all be BS made up because Japanese love their stats no matter how inane they are, nor useful to anything really (like blood type meaning anything about a character's stats in a JRPG(?!?!?!?)). I think that the Zaflea had it's stats swapped mistakenly.
Note that UC, specifically EFGF, never abolished tanks, and nor did any invading force of Earth. At least until 0096, the Type 61s are still in service in some way, and new tanks (as large as MS) are still being developed. Variations of tanks such as landslips are still in service even by the time of Victory gundam.
the problem is much of the stats dont come from the same auctors so debating stats on gundam is bullshit. also the gm have the same feature of gaining battle experience that rx78 has t
Gundam is where you go for giant robot ninja fights, Battletech is where you go for reality based giant stompy robots slugging it out in a hellish future war
I believe that there may be some tabletop RPG stats for the Palladium system that get into the δν of a mobile suit in flight for campaigns that keep track of that sort of thing. One could also explore thrust and specific impulse.
Here's the thing, acceleration is a rate. You don't talk about the ratio of thruster output/mass, which actually defines top speed. You keep talking about the generator output, which has nothing to do with speed in space. It could count in atmosphere/on earth using turbine engines rather than rockets, but otherwise it has nothing to do with speed. You did good with your video, but quoting the generator outputs just makes things confusing for the less initiated. Another tip is to only compare MS from the same series to one another. That way you have an in "universe" comparison, even though it's two programs from the same supposed timeline, because the writers/animators do whatever the heck they want, and the folks who write up the apocrypha just try to compare apples of the same show to one another.
88 Gs... I like to call pulling that many G's a car-crash turn, because a lethal impact is pretty much anything over 50 Gs, and we found that out from A guy that went temporarily blind and broke a bunch of bones in a rocket sled doing a 50 G test crash.
I enjoy Gundam myself, but I find it funny that the in-universe reasons the success om Mobile Suit involved traits that could easily be incorporated onto a large gunship. Mobile Suit aren't successful because they are humanized; they are successful in spite of it being humanoid. From what I have seen, the only reason Zeon was successful in the first part of the war was because Mobile Suits have plot armor against weapons fired from traditional weapon platforms. If they were as armored as they say they are, the suits should have been really slow and unwieldy. I'm not saying we can't enjoy Gundam, I'm just saying that we shouldn't pretend that they make any kind of sense. Because the Square Cube Law is a bitch to explain way. The only fictional universe that could have mechs and doesn't break the established rules is Mass Effect. That is because the entire universe runs on a fiction element (Element Zero) that messes with the mass of objects, allowing the circumvention the square cube law.
@Christopher Brown I just did a little research and I have to give Patlabor credit for having (almost) all bipedal mechs being less than ten tons. I still think that they are a little too heavy and tall to be practical, but at lease they wouldn't collapse under there own weight. I found this website to check all of the stats: www.patlabor.info/sitemap.htm (The Atlas stats make no sense, but the rest seem fine.) Personally I feel the only way I see a bipedal mech being practical is if its so small you can almost call it power armor, something like the smaller 12ft landmates from Appleseed can be seen being usfull for tight uban work. Anything bigger and its starts getting hard to find a reason to use a mech over more traditional forms of locomotion.
Theoretically mobile suits had the advantage because the could attack federal ships on close range Without being detected by radar. The Federation was planning coordinated long range attack with their fleet, but Minovsky particles made that impossible, so the focus was now on close range attacks with Mobile Suits
@@QseftJohn the Knightmare Frame from code geass isn't too big, and have what are essentially skateshoes to make traversing the terrain easier. I'd say they are actually the best logical design for terrestrial combat. For MS to be slow and unwieldy, they can be explained with them having much greater tech than ours that allowed for greater motorized movements, especially in space where gravity doesn't exert much influence. And MS are often made to operate in space first and terrestrial fields second. If you ask me, they should have created two MS type line, one for space and one for Earth. It doesn't make sense to use the 20 meter MS on Earth because aside from being a huge target, they also pose too much collateral damage. The UC MS are nuclear powered after all, and the destruction of one through beam weapons would mean a nuclear bomb going off. I'm surprised the Earth wasn't fucked up due to the MS' constantly being destroyed there. Also, why didn't one side teach their pilots to self-destruct if they were fighting in enemy bases? That would make more-oh yeah, kamikaze...of course Japanese wouldn't want that. However, aside from some glaring elements, I wouldn't say that mechas doesn't make sense, especially those used in space combat. The hands of a mecha essentially turn the guns they hold into a turret, which gives them greated kill range compared to fighters that often only have fixed weapons. Mechas do not need to burn their RCS just to orient their weapon at the enemy; their hands would do the work. Meanwhile, a spacefighter often has to burn the RCS to orient their weapons and that's not taking into account should they passed their target, they'd then have to make massive turns, which consumes more fuel. Mechas are also flexible, which gave them value in certain combat situations or even outside. Should a battle happen in space colony, its a bad idea to unleash spacefighters because they only have ranged weapons, thus the collateral damage potential is too great. Meanwhile, MS have the option of melee weapons to reduce collateral damage (not that they are gonna follow it all the time though, but better to have the option anyways). It also mean that in tight spaces (in tunnels or such), their humanoid form would have advantage. Outside of combat, they can act as space utility vehicle and can be used for purposes such as cleaning space junk. G-reco shows this and I wished the UC or other timelines would show more of the MS being used outside of combat. I mean, it would make sense for the MS from a side being used to cut down battleship wreckages with their beamsabers to size for recycle. They also can act as improvised RCS thrusters for large objects in space. From the perspective of someone that has to hold the money such as governments, this gives mechas more value than a specialized war machine in times of peace and can easily justify spending for more. Heck, IRL, the US government has a tank surplus problem where the Congress keep buying tanks that the army doesn't want because they couldn't utilize them. I mean, unless we have WW3, then yeah those tanks would be a heaven-sent, but we don't have massive wars to field them.
0:54 I actually have an idea about how to make the mobile suit work, basicly if you go interplanetery economy scale you have the issue of exost, what better way to recapture exost like the exost from an ion drive then to create a technological web in space, what better way to distribute such a technlogical web then in a ring where the asteroid ring use to be between mars and saturn, what better way to utilise this web then to teach the webbing to turn in to material. If you can create a vuriety of difurent types of webbing in space as one super structure you can create a tunnel for pods to deselerate from earth on top of which the momentum of the pods would serve as a form of energy, if you used just 9 percent of the mass of the asteroid belt you culd create a superstructure 2,449 billin kilometers in cercumfrence as a band thats 6.125 by 1 kilometers and has 14.39 tons of weight for every cubic decameter 10meter cube about 30 feet, small pods could migrate true this structure using light to shape the web and the current in the web to power themselves moving material true space by telling a massive body to migrate you along, the orbital ring consept usually involves an outdated orbital elevatr idea but it would be mutch more energy efficient for a planet to just build a series of rings that fold and exchange material with eachother migrating this material in to space, 80 percent of the asteroid belt could become a technological shell around saturn and the surface of that shell could serve as a habitat for humanity being build gradually over time, Oneil cylinders could have an outer hull of multiple layers of plating made up of the technological web, Nanites dont work on earth because they expand a lot of energy and they have very few uses , industrial nanites would probably be mano bots closer to the difurence between a bug and a bacteria, and build particle robots, the size of sand. This type of technology makes the most amount of sence in space as it can not only absorb the stray particles from an ion engine 1/2
2/2 but stray particles of material flying in the region, space junk, it can serve as a lense it can reflect solar energy out to a planet or send a thin portion of itself out in one direction to create a cosmic highway between earth and a neer by star, a much thinner and lighter portion but webbing up the space between stars is possible, and can serve as the highway of ant sized pilots destined to go to another star. Because the web is the web it can work like a jungle, a robotic piece of armor that can work as a spaceship and as a jungle traversal system and move true webbing would make the most amount of sence for conflicst. The creators of sutch a web would naturally create a system to prevent conflict between worlds and space war, so a gundam made from the best materials and a grunt made from materials strong enough to serve as a weapon and kill worker robots the same size as him well it just writes itself doesnt it. Someon is hacking the web to create new webbing that replaces the old, the way to stop them is to hack the web back and counter any enemy hacks using brute force, as such Oneil cylinders are territory and weapons, so taking them by sending in mobile suits to demoralise the population or take out the ring is the way to war
Haha, and Graham's slightly enhanced Flag from the early parts of Gundam 00 season 1 has 10Gs...never mind the actual Gundams, or their better versions in season 2, or the movie Gundams...or Trans-Am. Hahahahahaha.
Good breakdown, but this sort of issue is why I prefer Battletech. Sure it doesn't have a good anime, but it feels more interesting and, generally speaking, has less stat errors.
If they go their suits top speed (in the more lethally quick suits) they're dead but they could have set limits through any safety systems or the pilots take drugs off screen to handle the mechs or perhaps they're like the pilots from G Gundam where they can project and generate energy fields.
I find a flaw in your statement on how "it's a series that takes pride in explaining things and how it works" . I've been watching gundam for years now and the most I've ever seen or heard is that "this is the thing that does the thing" or the blah blah reactor and "insert partical name here" partical is pretty much the jargon used to sum up their explanations. In a anime about giant flying humanoid war machines and teenage empaths i try not to take it very seriously , it really is fiction for a reason and trying to make any real world sense of it will only give you a headache.
@@christianrobledo6172 It's set during WWII in and around Kobe, Japan, and follows teenage Seita and his younger sister, Setsuko, as they try to survive after Kobe is firebombed. It was animated by Studio Ghibli and directed by Isao Takahata (Pom Poko, The Tale of the Princess Kaguya). Not for the faint of heart.
There's an old stat sheet from around when zeta came out that gave the G-force acceleration (I assume) to the various MS and MA from zeta. The Messalla has something like 100+G's and was the fastest *Thing* in zeta gundam. MS stats are worthless numbers, ignore them.
about the Sinanju part, the Sinanju is a psycho machine, which mean it’s actual stats can’t actually be measured and there is no g-force in space so the only thing that matters is the thrust and terrain
Its especially funny if you try to look at mobile suit reactor outputs compared to what weaponry they have. Two units with the same reactor output but only one can use beam weapons, because 'reasons'.
When I saw the 88.89 gs on the Neo Zeong... I was looking like Super Buu when he was turning into Kid Buu. As a guy who did college mathematics I am disgusted by this level of inconsistency and downright stupidity.
It would be cool if we got a Star wars esque visual dictionary for Gundam (idk if comparing different timelines makes sense- maybe just a UC visual dictionary)
Contemporary fighter jets routinely pull 9.5Gs, so 88 Gs isn't 10x what the body can tolerate. In fact, I have not checked but there may be even more Gs involved in human space travel.
Isnt sinanju a beta to unicorn in its development and thats the reasoning why it could compete with the unicorn hijinks, also the the fact it has a psycho frame cockpit or laced frame.
Yeah I've notices this too. A lot of things are out of wack. The Gerbera Tetra (one of my faves) is MASSIVE despite being based on the same suit as the much more lithe GP-01 when loaded. It nearly doubles in weight! Does it literally carry its own weight in fuel?! Thanks for the video it does bother me as well. Also, I don't like how much of a numbers bloat the post UC 0100 suits tend to me. I think all mobile suits should be that small for our sanity as well. Someone should make a more realistic spreadsheet, with new masses and speeds for all mobile suits.
You make some valid points. Some stats on MS are just plain imposible in universe. However the majority of MS stats make sense. I just tend to regard the MS with nonsense stats as faulty data I also want to point out that there is more to the mobility of a MS then pure acceleration. The Gs of a MS represent how fast a MS can gather forward momentum. However It is critical that a MS can change its direction quickly Thats where the 180 times and nr of apogee motors are for. If we look at the unicorn gundams stats. It can accelerate at 3.33 G, but has no apogee motors what so ever. So it would do great in a drag race. But it would fly of the tracks once the first corner come around.
so we are not going to mention the stats themselves making no sense since i doubt that you would get very far with the reactor equivalent of 2 tank engines strapped together and that the suits would go faster if we simply dropped them on earth? an f1 car pulls more g when accelerating
g (and yes, that's lower case g, not upper case G) is a measure of acceleration, not of speed. There's no such thing as a top speed in space. Sustained acceleration can damage the human body in different ways, such as by interfering with blood flow. How much we can take depends on a lot of factors. 3 - 4 g can cause vision impairment within seconds. Exceptionally talented and well-prepared fighter pilots can do about 9 g of sustained acceleration under optimal conditions, though acceleration along certain angles relative to the spine can cause impairment even to them starting at around 3 g. A minute at 15 g is just about guaranteed to be fatal even under the best of conditions. If there's any technology that can allow you to survive 20 or 88 g of sustained acceleration, it's probably going to involve extensive body modification.
Perhaps the top speed/Gs is only theoretical? Not actually practiced by the pilots because they might not be able to handle it as well as the fact that it just wouldnt be beneficial for any pilot to be going that fast unless they were trying to go into space with just their mobile suit. During sortie pilots would have to process multiple readings from sensors as well as keeping track of ammunition, energy output, location of enemies etc. So if they were to go on top speed they run into the problem of information overload taking in too many things at once, which isnt something you want while you're fighting in a war
I also think that Gundam power needs to be revised up an order of magnitude or three. Semi trailers/tractors/18 wheelers have nearly megawatt power levels now and frequently move 40t. I'll be damned if a fully loaded truck ever accelerated that fast.
Mobile suits? Haha I prefer my glorious Federation ball
Yeah, I heard that Ball pilots have the biggest balls of them all.
@@BOOFIRE191 Nah never that's filthy fed propagana Boo... Zudah pilots dont die... they regroup in Super robot wars.
@@BOOFIRE191 Yeah, Zudah pilots can't keep it up.
@@SpaceCase1214 I've always wondered: would the end product of crossing an imperial tie fighter and a mobile ball be better or worse than the originals that went in...?
@@26th_Primarch Worse, a TIE Ball would only have the one cannon on top and maybe it's arms if they don't have to be removed.
Clearly, Space Metal is more aerodynamic then normal earth metal, and gives you Jedi powers
James Zito nah, see that’s only SPECIAL space metal
Do aerodynamics even matter in space??
@@gavintian5874 yes they do with all the air people can breathe in space
@@gavintian5874 not aerodynamics per say but the distribution of thrust over the body of the suits so as to not loose an arm or weapon when moving
The Sith has something to say about that
What do you mean it's unreasonable for a Gundam to have more power output then the detonation of a nuclear bomb fifty times it's mass?
Mumbles about the insanity of SW legends stats....
Wait what? What did I miss here? I didn't watch ZZ.
Or is that the bit in the video games where Amuro catches an asteroid with Nu Gundam?
@@IronWarhorsesFun Hey, at least they had 25,000 years to come up with tech, so I can excuse those stats.
@@HolyknightVader999 4th degree interdimensional warpfuckery!
@@IronWarhorsesFun Not really. More like them focusing a high amount of firepower on a smaller target, which is akin to creating a laser that can cut through a bunker designed to withstand nukes.
A gundam video about magical nonsense and no mention of G fighter gundam is made.
Well played Mr. Boofire, well played.
the less said about the prototype gurren lagann the better
@@ARC5 don't shit talk g gundam, master Asia and fuunsaki are the best thing in fiction
Technically, he's talking about Universal Century, not Fighting Century, so....
@@tomtheconqerur zud zud zud zud zud zud zud zud...
Also G Gundam is straight up a super robot anime. Logic went straight out the window from day one
So....anyone else notice with the Neo Zeong that the top speed is 88.89...and Full Frontal shows a history and future of the universe. 88 MPH or 88Gs, either will get you moving through time!
@@BOOFIRE191 now that I think on it more, I should start looking through my reference books / sites to see if there other niche geek references.
arnoldkearimal so the neo zeong is basically an oversized delorean
GREAT SCOTT
Holy shit , that like doc brown said
@@BOOFIRE191 so this would mean that stats of mobile suit in gundam isn't actually accurate. They just put it for the lol
Just like most science fiction, most mobile suit stats are just numbers for the sake of having numbers. I wouldn't say they're _intentionally_ unreliable, but expecting them to be reliable is a fool's errand. A lot of the time, writers just slap some numbers that "sound right" into place simply to have this fake depth of canon and lore, with little regard to what numbers came before. Also, as a fiction writer, it's easier to put concepts into words than into numbers, especially when you're writing fiction for a 30-year-old franchise where the numbers that were written before you were even born didn't make sense.
This is a problem that permeates through almost all of fiction, not just gundam.
Nah I believe my zaku can beat a nu gundam
Whoever is running the stats is just putting some stats out that sound awesome and probably don't care about consistency. I wouldn't get so worked up about it.
Remember the out of universe justification for mobile suits. They thought the public would attatch itself more to a humanoid thing than a tank. And, as Halo shows. Yes.
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and here I thought the Orcs were the most magical creatures in the universe with their logic destroying monstrosities
oi wez bettah dan dese sissy umies
but wat about ork gundams
@@thejayscraft9975 To be entirely fair, Ork Gargants and Stompas are pretty damn close to ground-type mobile suits. Just...way slower. And uglier.
@@KillerOrca at least theyre not complete trash compared to whats around them like a lot of mass production suits
@@user-gu7yo5yn9g red tings go fasta
what do Mobile Suits and Stands have in common?
THEIR STATS MAKE NO GODDAMN SENSE
I wouldn't really call it magic - I'd just call it lazy writers who weren't double-checking their work with other members of the mecha design teams in production of the series.
Also, regarding the earlier point about mecha making no sense in warfare, that is only partially true. There are scenarios I'd think a humanoid mobile weapon would be superior than fighters or tanks - mainly when you take into account space combat. Think about it: Space isn't like fighting in the ocean or in the air: there is no air resistance, or water pressure in space. Fighters don't fly around in space like they do in atmosphere like Star Wars tries to imply. In fact, the most realistic Sci-Fi shows like Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 show space combat in the best way: fighters capable of manuvering in tight turns via RCS thrusters, since there is no air resistance.
However, this also points out a major flaw in starfighters: they have to be pointing AT the target to hit them. In space combat, this is an archaic way of combat to have to turn the whole craft around to engage a target. But with a mobile weapon, you can ignore that pitfall all together. A machine wouldn't have to turn all away around, it could literally just aim the gun behind without loosing its inertia to spin around. Not to mention how an M.S could carry more various weaponry, and could make more full advantage of the environment of space that a fighter couldn't do. After all, if your war machine has limbs, you aren't restricted to guns - you can punch or kick an enemy who gets in close, rather than being forced into some endless turning battle. Not to mention how they could be used in other non-combat roles like construction.
Thank you! Finally found someone that could see the points of having an MS as a war machine. And the points you pointed out are absolutely correct, which, most, especially those that hate mechas tend to overlook or ignore. I mean they really like to point out how MS doesn't make sense due to certain elements and that they only exist due to the rule of cool...but then they didn't realize that most depiction of sci-fi spacefighter are also done because of rule of cool and not what makes sense.
Best example is putting turrets on a spacefighter. It would make a lot of difference, with the spacefighter not needing to use valuable fuel to fire up their RCS just to orient their often fixed guns to the enemy. Plus, turrets can fire backwards against chasing enemies or shoot down missiles. Funnily enough, suggest this to spacefightet fans and they would reject it. Why? They would say that turrets are inefficient due to it would cost more fuel due to the added weight on the spacefighter (yet they didn't consider the massive fuel needed just to turn fixed weapons on a target, compared to turrets that doesn't need to do so), impractical because modern fighter jets didn't do it, and those used in WW1-WW2 doesn't fare well (forgetting that comparing atmospheric fighter to a space one doesn't make sense to begin with).
In the end, most spacefighter lovers only love it because it resembled atmospheric fighters too much and not actually because they make sense. If they do love it because it make sense, then they would have favoured a more realistic design such as armored cockpit, larger fighters with turrets and the like. But they don't like these things because it would make their spacefighter look ugly and less cool.
Exactly. Heck, there are even in-atmosphere uses for mecha. First, amphibious missions. A large mecha would probably be much more effective underwater than a large submarine for many of the same reasons in space, over using large submarines. Collecing Marine wild life, constructing underwater facilities... heck, even today we're using robotics underwater already, so simply making something larger isn't too far off from reality.
To modify a quote made by the Templin Institute regarding Battletech;
To judge a mobile weapon by the criteria of a tank or aircraft, and declare the tank and aircraft the superior fighting machine ignores what makes a mobile weapon, or any mech-based weapon, unique - and in many cases, far more effective.
Firstly, the Legs. Most critics will say the legs are the weakest part of a mech, so take them down and its game over. Technically, this is true - however, that is easier said than done. We're talking about firing at two, low-profile targets that are constantly decelerating and accelerating as the mech/walker/mobile weapon moves around. Not exactly an easy shot for even the best marksman. So most will probably aim for the torso/head, which would be easier targets for sure, but much more heavily armored.
Also, even if M-Particles weren't a thing, there are tons of other ways to make Mobile Weapons survive longer in long-range combat by applying defensive systems, like protective rockets, decoys, radar-jammers and countermeasures, an MS could probably prevent most guided munitions from hitting it. And given its height, it would have higher radar penetration area, thus more likely to detect enemy threats. And its height gives it a commanding view of a battlefield - being able to see OVER a battle space, as opposed to being stuck to ground-level, giving its weapons and optics more range.
Then there comes the ways its superior. Sure, you could argue tanks are better in wide-open terrains with little obstruction, or even in tight city streets with lots of cover. But put them in dense forests, swamps or mountains and they become more of a liability - as their mobility gets cut in half. Meanwhile a mobile suit, or any similar mech, is not at nearly a heavy disadvantage since they can just casually walk past such terrain, or climb/jump over it. And given how many M.S are given thrusters capable of propelling them over great distances, and their combat effectiveness over tanks skyrockets as well.
Not to mention how a mobile weapon could help ferry support and equipment across difficult terrain - I believe the best example of this is the ZGMF-1000 Hospital ZAKU, it is basically a ZAKU Warrior repurposed to carry four mobile medical stations on its back. Imagine how useful it could be if you could transport an entire M.A.S.H across a mountain or swamp without needing to stop? Or make it so its carrying extra weapons, supplies or even reinforcements in areas that are unaccessable due to enemy anti-air or roadside checkpoints.
Sure they may preform poorly in some instances, but that is the case for every weapon of war ever created. Aircraft preform poorly in bad weather. Tanks and other armored vehicles preform poorly in conditions where they can't move. Like all military weapons of war, they are best used in speciialized situations which benefit from their pro's, while offsetting their cons.
To say a Mobile Suit is inferior because they can't fight like a tank, is like saying Aircraft Carriers are useless because they can't work on land.
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@@117Jorn Yeap. Oh and you know what's the funniest thing is? Is that most of the mecha haters tend to claim it isn't realistic especially in terms of logistic. In reality, in the long run, mecha are much better at logistic management.
Here's the truth about ammunition-dependent weapons; they are only weapons as long as they have ammo. Run out of it, and they would cease being a weapon. Without ammo, guns are nothing more than just a clubbing tool, tanks are nothing more than just an armored vehicle and spacefighters are just high tech spaceship. The ammo issue is funnily enough, often ignored in most discussions. Of course, can't blame them much as most fiction depiction of war often ignore ammo issue as well. This is especially prevalent in games where they either give unrealistic ammunition (Ace Combat games tend to give player 50+ missiles) or just infinite ammo (Mechwarrior, other mecha games, gundam also guilty of this). Understandably, this is done for gameplay convenience as it would be annoying to keep returning to base to resupply. However, outside of those medium, to discuss about realism, the issue of ammunition can't be ignored because well, infinite ammo is a ridiculous concept. You could have it, but those are only in extremely high tech settings, but most mecha shows aren't that high tech. There's a saying; amateurs think about strategy, professionals think of logistics.
A mecha, especially the ones with human hands however, are still dangerous even unarmed.. They can fashion weapons from anything they can grab. And that's if they really have no other weapon left. MS' tend to be equipped with melee weapons and many mecha haters would scoff at the idea, saying that an advanced warmachine would never get in melee range to ever use it, nor even if they do, they can simply fire their guns. They could only ever say that because well, they never have to worry about ammo in their mind. But, what happens when they do ran out of ammo? Do they simply RTB in the middle of battle and let the enemy stay in their objective zone? Even if they do reach the base, the process of reloading their weapons platform itself would take a considerable amount of time. Meanwhile, an MS can still remain in the battlefield even with their ammo spent as long as they have their melee weapons. There's also the question that sometimes, melee option are better. Collateral damage is something that, like the ammunition issue, people tend to ignore. Sure, you could build a supertank to match a mecha, or even mechwarrior mechs, but the thing is, because they only have ranged weapons, their capability for collateral damage is too high. Heck, watch the trailers for the new mechawarrior game where they fight in city settings. Those mechs just casually level cities. Meanwhile, an MS are able to drastically reduce collateral by using melee weapons instead. Heck this is actually the best method in case there's a fighting in extremely sensitive settings such as inside space colonies.
And that's not even touching the capacity for quick, and on the field resupply and hardware change. A tank, if its turret were damaged, would have to go back to the base, require special equipment to have the turret removed and get a new one installed. Meanwhile, a mecha whose weapons are damaged can simply throw it away and swap for a new one, on the spot. This practically give MS significantly longer staying power than tanks. This is best shown in the movie Expelled From Paradise. In the final battle, the heroine in her mecha has to fight off against around 10 mecha opponents. She doesn't have weapons with infinite ammo of course, however, because she has prepared weapon caches around the battlefield, she was able to change weapons on the go and defeat all her opponents. Had she use a tank or a mechwarrior mech, she would have run out of weapon or have her weapons destroyed long before she could destroy half of the opposition.
And finally, MS has something that other conventional warmachines lack. VALUE outside of combat. This is as you have pointed out; a mecha can be used for purposes other than combat and this is significant. Why? Because realistically, maintaining war machines during peacetime is often seen as a waste as they aren't used for their purpose. Granted, most fictions tend to be in war all the time, but if we are talking about realistic settings, where we only have our modern world for reference, then we also have to discuss the situation where in the story, there aren't always going to be war. Heck, we already have proof in real life where the USA has a surplus of tanks that their army doesn't want, because they weren't able to use all of them since there aren't any major wars. Conventional or even specialized warmachines such as tanks are a waste in peacetime. They have no use. Meanwhile, an MS can be used for a variety of purposes such as cleaning space junk, construction machines for space projects, or even act as improvised RCS units for objects lacking them. Meanwhile, a spacefighter such as an X-Wing would destroy themselves first if they try this.
It isn't the strongest, nor the fastest but the most adaptable that would survive in the end. A mecha is adaptable. But of course, they would argue that it is better to specialize, but trust me, modern warmachines only specialize because they couldn't do otherwise at the moment. But the moment we have the capacity to build, let's say the Variable Fighter from Macross...the concept of specialization would fly out of the window.
@@secondsein7749 mecha maintainence would be hell on earth too many moving parts. Look at any successful weapon in the history of mankind, what did they all have in common? Efficiency, ergonomic designs and low production costs.
Finally, some one understands. Mobile suits can be a potentially lethal weapon. In most cases, at least in a open field, a mobile suit would not be very affective unless we bust out Mobile suits with long range weapons(think about the ground gundam and its 180 mm canon.) Where Mobile suits would shine would be in space.
I'd like to meet within universe the man who looked at a ZOGOK and said, yeah that's a viable military weapon lol.
One thing that Boofire191 doesn't address is that G's measure acceleration, not top speed.
Acceleration=/=Top speed.
As a real world analogy, you can have two identical machines and adjust one to accelerate harder and one to have a higher top speed via gearing. Of course, if you want to increase acceleration AND speed, you will need to increase your power to weight ratio. You can do this by either adding power, reducing weight, or both.
Big problem in this video, you keep saying topspeed and speed while talking about the Gs, which are acceleration.
As far as I know, we have no idea about the actual topspeeds of MSs,. In space, it would be limited almost only by their reaction mass, what they eject through their thrusters, for example, but weird orbit manoeuvers could still enhance it, and Gundam's space battles and manoeuvers are not the most hard-scientific to begin with...
Superior aceleration is a great factor in fights though, so your point still makes most sense.
I looked into all this stat stuff because I wanted to model Mobile Suits in a ttrpg. Macross, especially the older series, gives a bit more to chew on in the stats department. All this research and effort was a real headache of newtons, Gs, metric tons, eyeballed drag coeficients... I ended up not thinking too much about that and guesstimating stuff on the fly.
I get your point though, all this stuff is esoteric at best, nonsensical at worst.
Ah, glad to know that I'm not the only one who appreciates the Gabthley. :)
Let's just call the Official Stats Fanfiction and be done with it. Best to use the Guncannon or the GM as a basline and start again
The Ball's top speed shall be 1 unit of Gundam Universe speed.
Shouldn't we start with the Zakus since they are the first mobile suits created?
I think this mostly comes of to missinformation and/or dissinterest in the particular stats. I personally care about the stats, and I think that they need to be revized. For now I judge based on what is seen rather than written so I wouldn't really call the MSs magic. I for one never considered any of the more fantastical aspects of Gundam to be magic.
Vladimir Mihnea I bet you if From Software ever developed a Gundam game they would straighten out all the stats if the Armored Core series is anything to go off of.
@@penscrap They did develop the Another Century series. Only released in Japan though.
FROM did make a Gundam game........
It was called Gundam Unicorn......
I look forward to your upcoming G-Saviour review with it's BS mobile suits.
G-saviour is a joke show, literally.
I'd love to see a more detailed explanation of how and why a man-shaped vehicle would be advantageous in an environment with Minovsky particles screwing with everything. The answer here that mobile suits "just have more speed, more firepower, and more armor" doesn't make sense. Why not just make a tank, ship, or strike craft with all of the above? But the answer that does make sense is that with long-range combat eliminated by the Minovsky sensor interference, the man-shaped vehicle's ability to fight up close, even hand-to-hand actually becomes valuable. Or that the control interface to aim a mobile suit's rifle might be more responsive and accurate than a turret. (though good luck explaining that one)
5:55 depends. gundam the origin manga originally from the series the gm were suppose to be stronger but at the time the grunt unit zakus were more popular toy sale wise so they underpower gms. in the manga though gms slaughter alot of zaku units consdiering the gm is a mass produce version of a gundam basically with lesser firepower and armor but still can over power zaku weaponry and armor. also the gm is a high adaptive mobile suit that can change parts and equipment well unlike a zaku where its mostly its own thing beside a limb, thruster change. which is why later on you see upgraded/mark versions of gm that later down the road became jegans in chars counter attack or my favorite from unicorn the jestas.
It dosn't have to make sence if it looks cool that's Syfy 101.
Forget naked women bait, i want power levels for these fucking things because as it stands it seems like the middle part of UC happens to be more powerful than late UC with all the newtype magic psychoframe fin funnel bullshit that seems to get thrown out the window come F90-Crossbone since it seems that even though those suits are smaller and faster, people collectively agree that CCA-Hathaway mobile suits are peak power above all (except if we count Victory 2).
I've had the idea for making this video for so long, thank you for doing such a great job!
Maybe you can expand on this? See how other gundam continuities & hardcore mech shows treat their stats...
i have an issu with al of this.
G dosen't equal speed. G equals Accelaration.
this factor is createt by the momentum of an object as it accelerates. this means: the heavyer an object, the higher the G's wenn accelerating, as long as thh speed at wich it accelarates is the same. so it makes complete sense that the heavyest mobilesuit has the highest G rating. but it dosent make it the fastest MS Out there.Becouse accelaraton mand max velocitie are not the same .
ps sorry for bad english
Guess the stats are just for show...like how the heck is the mobile armor slower, when it's made for travel?
The stats are not magic it's the same nonsense you see in Star Wars. Like a Star Destroyer statistically having the power to destroy an entire planet, yet....... the Empire has to build a space station to do so instead? This is "NONSENSE" Made people people who are well, fiction writers, not scientist. They would literally have to hire an "ULTRA" Gundam fan/expert on the shows themselves, who isn't bias toward any particular machines, to make a more accurate data list, even then it would likely take that person years to do so. Problem is now, I think they make it up as they go when ever they need to do so. For the first say ten years of Gundam Performances Stats didn't exist, heck even the names of the Suits were not fluid. Like Zaks becoming Zakus, Zion becoming Gion, Jion and Zeon. etc etc NO ONE should take this 'data' at face value. I much prefer going to MAHQ over the Wiki anyways. Though they don't have Gs listed they do have weight/tonnage compared to thrust outputs available for individuals to calculate.
That being said in space there should be no speed limits anyways, as there should be no g-forces so there should be no cap on top speeds, only acceleration. So it should be all about thrust to weight ratios. At least that is how we used to do Gundam roleplays... ie no top speed, only acceleration, ie if you have a higher thrust to weight you can just run away if you want. Even Char's Zaku in Origin according to the anime isn't "Better" than other Zakus it just has the performance limiters disengaged ie "Governors" which gives it one heck of a acceleration. This could be a factor into why some suits have the potential to be faster but are not faster.
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It comes down to the fact that the Death Star is far more efficient than any conventional Warship. It takes a fleet of ships hours to glass a planet's surface.
@@sacredbeastzenon "Tell that to the Covenant."
@@sacredbeastzenon I was referring to the primary power source within a Star Destroyer being powerful enough to crack a planet, essentially killing it, if it was able to detonate it's reactor. Implying the Death Star is kind of a waste of resources.
@@Alte.Kameraden unless the deathstar is cheaper per shot and thus overall better, especially when it is suppposed to have a fleets worth of turbo blasters and impenatrable armor, if it wasn't for its weak spot it would be the ultimate weapon, while a star destroyer is just a powerful ship.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 this, the death star IS by normal means undefeatable. People tend to forget that the shot that killed it was near impossible and only achieved by a stroke of luck of having the right person at the right time. If the Rebels didn't have Luke, it would have reign supreme.
There's a dorkly video (I think it's dorkly or collegehumor) that pointed this out.
Also, due to the case of sci-fi writers having no sense of scale and due to the limitations of the time, the death star should have been protected by hundreds if not thousands of ships and fighters, making any low quantity attempt to destroy it near impossible.
It was mentioned in both narrative and unicorn that the Neo Zeong was pulled from a distant time and should not yet exist.
You probably shouldn’t worry about the inconsistencies you know Star Wars has the same problem have you seen some of the stats for ships in Star Wars legends it makes no sense seriously according to Star Wars legends an executor class superstar destroyer would exert more energy than sun makes
You mean like how a volley of turbo lasers from a star destroyer puts out enough energy to destroy a planet thereby making the death star obsolete.
Star Wars doesn't try to be grounded in reality the way Gundam does. It's not really comparable
Zudah offered "unprecedented" thrust but it wasn't greater than the more powerful units that came later. It's refined Saturn engine was used on the Dom for example, so a Gelgoog is still a substantially more powerful machine. What makes the Zudah special is it offered Dom or Gouf level performance when it's main competitor was the Zaku 1. Still you're right that it's stats are total crap. I'd attribute that to authors just wanting the thing they made to be cool without thinking about plausibility.
I really like your gundam videos and I hope you can keep making them. I'm a bit of a new fan. I've seen the older gundam shows as a child but I really got into gundam because of thunderbolt and IBO.
Yes they are. Literally in the case of Psycho-Frame and mobile fighters.
You could probably argue some things about them tho.
I agree, MS stats primarily exist to justify general power classification more than anything and past a certain point(especially in non-UC series) it's abhorrent nonsense. Yes, better tactics and skill can push one MS to be able to defeat a much more high end one, and of course there will always be a limit to just how much more you can get out of better suits if you lack the skill, training, and even physical capability to accomplish much with it... but at the end of the day the media justifies itself without having to kneel to the ghosts of statistical measurement. Wing Zero's buster rifle can blow away resource satellites and colonies no problem, then have to struggle against the shielding of a buried ground target because the plot demands it. A Zaku I can struggle and get destroyed by the RX-78-2 Gundam, and then later on one can take the RX-78-6 Mudrock Gundam in hand to hand combat because reasons. An upgraded relic from the OWY like the Efreet Schneid can take out a GM Semi-striker from well after the war, escape from the battle zone WHILE holding it's own against the pursuing Byarlant Custom that was causing everyone else grief, AND ward off pirate forces using suits like the Zaku III because Fred Reber is just that badass apparently.
I have to point out that 20G is briefly survivable, and modern fighter pilot uniforms can make repeated 9g survivable. So the zeong is more like 4 times what the human body can survive (briefly with help). Not over 10.
I can't get the image of the Neo Zeong doing flash steps out of my head
I know the true reason why they build giant mechs its because there cool
Remember captain full frontal (aka the “second coming of char”) stole the sinanju from anaheim electronics and he made it in his personal use soooo…my theory is that he changed the mobile suits reactor because it “might” be expiremental
The zeta has a bio-sensor so it’s top speed depends on Kamille’s emotions
I just really love your channel, you are definitely the best Gundam TH-camr, you even have made me re-think how I look at the series as a whole, thank you for the content you make
i do have one question.. according to google G's are a gravitational force put on a pilot, not a speed factor. im also not seeing the other stats of the suit. like inertial compensators, thrust capacity, or actual speed factors like KPH, or MPH, or even Mach factors. these factors also play into the highlights your talking about. dont get me wrong i do agree that mobile suits are super machines that dont make alot of sense when you actually think about it.. gundam seed, one of my favorite series has loads of super gundams that break the world they exist in. but i dont think G's are what you are describing them as.
Yeah these should all be "maximum maneuver overload"
Narrative Gundam explained that Full Frontal constructed and designed the Neo Zeon using memory and data of char's last encounter with Amuro and that data probably is no human in nature anymore.
According to them New Types are humans that can connect with high dimensions and talk to the "dead" who resides on those dimensions.
OG Gundam always drove me mad!! They make Gundam so OP in the very beginning but later have a couple of guys plant some tiny bombs on it and that's going to do it in 😂 I mean come on!! Gundam's shield takes a Zaku's heat axe and bazooka like it's nothing, but this tiny bomb the size of a football a soldier plants on the shield blows it in half. This has always drove me mad.
I'm just glad I wasn't the only one to take time to calculate of the mobile suit speeds. XD
Thank you for this video! Someone had to say it!
It was meant to sell toys...like the transformers, thundercats, etc. The hero mech is going to be a bit (in this case, WWWWWAAAAYYYYY) OP. However, the creators want you to take it seriously, so they created statistics for them and these were only done in Zeta. Sunrise retconned the original machines and gave them (pretty much) arbitrary stat lines. They quit caring a long time ago.
And the Gabby is one of my *favorite* machines. The model, unfortunately, has issues with it's armor popping off, so you have to glue it in some cases...making it unable to transform... *Sigh*
7:40 the only number on the gaffling (i dont know how to spell it) that makes sense is the mobile armor. The MS speed shouldve been like 1.76 Gs or something to that effect
This is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I'd sell a kidney for a 90+ minute version of this.
Now that you've started making Gundam videos I've really taken even more of a liking to you and your content. Good job, please keep this shit rollin'
Only really gets absurdly magical in the Gundam Unicorn UC timeline in my opinion.... Everything else is just mind powers which isn't much for actually piloting a mobile suit.
That thumbnail.
2:42 Sometimes this comes in the form of the universal century's marvels, like the space colonies, or, super weapons, (me: like the space colonies? too soon?)
What could fix the neo zeong? Liquid filled cockpit ahla "The Abyss". Though don't expect any monologuing by Full Frontal (maybe he would pre-record his monologue?). Also Full Frontal was a clone/engineered human/ Newtype so his tolerance's could be higher that a(n) "normal"(old type). This top speed could be the result of the final sequence we see it in being a sort of"time travel" via pycho-frame/waves, not actual speed in a way. Again, you could very well be right and it could all be BS made up because Japanese love their stats no matter how inane they are, nor useful to anything really (like blood type meaning anything about a character's stats in a JRPG(?!?!?!?)). I think that the Zaflea had it's stats swapped mistakenly.
Awesome Video @BOOFIRE191 Keep up the great work!! :) I'm a Gundam fan I didn't know about this information!
Note that UC, specifically EFGF, never abolished tanks, and nor did any invading force of Earth. At least until 0096, the Type 61s are still in service in some way, and new tanks (as large as MS) are still being developed. Variations of tanks such as landslips are still in service even by the time of Victory gundam.
the problem is much of the stats dont come from the same auctors so debating stats on gundam is bullshit. also the gm have the same feature of gaining battle experience that rx78 has
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I kinda like the Zak-- oh hey Big Zam!
The Gundam Wiki is unreliable, it’s known to have conflicting information. I’ve heard this from other fans and have noticed this myself.
The Rosen Zulu is absolutely fabulous
Gundam is where you go for giant robot ninja fights, Battletech is where you go for reality based giant stompy robots slugging it out in a hellish future war
I believe that there may be some tabletop RPG stats for the Palladium system that get into the δν of a mobile suit in flight for campaigns that keep track of that sort of thing. One could also explore thrust and specific impulse.
Here's the thing, acceleration is a rate. You don't talk about the ratio of thruster output/mass, which actually defines top speed. You keep talking about the generator output, which has nothing to do with speed in space. It could count in atmosphere/on earth using turbine engines rather than rockets, but otherwise it has nothing to do with speed. You did good with your video, but quoting the generator outputs just makes things confusing for the less initiated.
Another tip is to only compare MS from the same series to one another. That way you have an in "universe" comparison, even though it's two programs from the same supposed timeline, because the writers/animators do whatever the heck they want, and the folks who write up the apocrypha just try to compare apples of the same show to one another.
I remember that song at the beginning.. it’s from Zeta Gundam. Sad show but it was good
Hahaha. And this is precisely why you don't look too deeply into how much sense a cartoon makes. No matter how much lore supports it :P
88 Gs... I like to call pulling that many G's a car-crash turn, because a lethal impact is pretty much anything over 50 Gs, and we found that out from A guy that went temporarily blind and broke a bunch of bones in a rocket sled doing a 50 G test crash.
Long answer: anime
Short answer: anime
How about the Turn A Gundam?
I enjoy Gundam myself, but I find it funny that the in-universe reasons the success om Mobile Suit involved traits that could easily be incorporated onto a large gunship.
Mobile Suit aren't successful because they are humanized; they are successful in spite of it being humanoid.
From what I have seen, the only reason Zeon was successful in the first part of the war was because Mobile Suits have plot armor against weapons fired from traditional weapon platforms. If they were as armored as they say they are, the suits should have been really slow and unwieldy.
I'm not saying we can't enjoy Gundam, I'm just saying that we shouldn't pretend that they make any kind of sense.
Because the Square Cube Law is a bitch to explain way.
The only fictional universe that could have mechs and doesn't break the established rules is Mass Effect. That is because the entire universe runs on a fiction element (Element Zero) that messes with the mass of objects, allowing the circumvention the square cube law.
@Christopher Brown I just did a little research and I have to give Patlabor credit for having (almost) all bipedal mechs being less than ten tons. I still think that they are a little too heavy and tall to be practical, but at lease they wouldn't collapse under there own weight.
I found this website to check all of the stats: www.patlabor.info/sitemap.htm
(The Atlas stats make no sense, but the rest seem fine.)
Personally I feel the only way I see a bipedal mech being practical is if its so small you can almost call it power armor, something like the smaller 12ft landmates from Appleseed can be seen being usfull for tight uban work.
Anything bigger and its starts getting hard to find a reason to use a mech over more traditional forms of locomotion.
Theoretically mobile suits had the advantage because the could attack federal ships on close range Without being detected by radar. The Federation was planning coordinated long range attack with their fleet, but Minovsky particles made that impossible, so the focus was now on close range attacks with Mobile Suits
The Armored Troopers in VOTOMS seem fairly realistic enough.
@@QseftJohn the Knightmare Frame from code geass isn't too big, and have what are essentially skateshoes to make traversing the terrain easier. I'd say they are actually the best logical design for terrestrial combat. For MS to be slow and unwieldy, they can be explained with them having much greater tech than ours that allowed for greater motorized movements, especially in space where gravity doesn't exert much influence. And MS are often made to operate in space first and terrestrial fields second. If you ask me, they should have created two MS type line, one for space and one for Earth. It doesn't make sense to use the 20 meter MS on Earth because aside from being a huge target, they also pose too much collateral damage. The UC MS are nuclear powered after all, and the destruction of one through beam weapons would mean a nuclear bomb going off. I'm surprised the Earth wasn't fucked up due to the MS' constantly being destroyed there.
Also, why didn't one side teach their pilots to self-destruct if they were fighting in enemy bases? That would make more-oh yeah, kamikaze...of course Japanese wouldn't want that.
However, aside from some glaring elements, I wouldn't say that mechas doesn't make sense, especially those used in space combat. The hands of a mecha essentially turn the guns they hold into a turret, which gives them greated kill range compared to fighters that often only have fixed weapons. Mechas do not need to burn their RCS just to orient their weapon at the enemy; their hands would do the work. Meanwhile, a spacefighter often has to burn the RCS to orient their weapons and that's not taking into account should they passed their target, they'd then have to make massive turns, which consumes more fuel.
Mechas are also flexible, which gave them value in certain combat situations or even outside. Should a battle happen in space colony, its a bad idea to unleash spacefighters because they only have ranged weapons, thus the collateral damage potential is too great. Meanwhile, MS have the option of melee weapons to reduce collateral damage (not that they are gonna follow it all the time though, but better to have the option anyways). It also mean that in tight spaces (in tunnels or such), their humanoid form would have advantage.
Outside of combat, they can act as space utility vehicle and can be used for purposes such as cleaning space junk. G-reco shows this and I wished the UC or other timelines would show more of the MS being used outside of combat. I mean, it would make sense for the MS from a side being used to cut down battleship wreckages with their beamsabers to size for recycle. They also can act as improvised RCS thrusters for large objects in space.
From the perspective of someone that has to hold the money such as governments, this gives mechas more value than a specialized war machine in times of peace and can easily justify spending for more. Heck, IRL, the US government has a tank surplus problem where the Congress keep buying tanks that the army doesn't want because they couldn't utilize them. I mean, unless we have WW3, then yeah those tanks would be a heaven-sent, but we don't have massive wars to field them.
In other words, the guys writing the stats weren't communicating.
0:54 I actually have an idea about how to make the mobile suit work,
basicly if you go interplanetery economy scale you have the issue of exost, what better way to recapture exost like the exost from an ion drive then to create a technological web in space, what better way to distribute such a technlogical web then in a ring where the asteroid ring use to be between mars and saturn, what better way to utilise this web then to teach the webbing to turn in to material.
If you can create a vuriety of difurent types of webbing in space as one super structure you can create a tunnel for pods to deselerate from earth on top of which the momentum of the pods would serve as a form of energy, if you used just 9 percent of the mass of the asteroid belt you culd create a superstructure 2,449 billin kilometers in cercumfrence as a band thats 6.125 by 1 kilometers and has 14.39 tons of weight for every cubic decameter 10meter cube about 30 feet, small pods could migrate true this structure using light to shape the web and the current in the web to power themselves moving material true space by telling a massive body to migrate you along, the orbital ring consept usually involves an outdated orbital elevatr idea but it would be mutch more energy efficient for a planet to just build a series of rings that fold and exchange material with eachother migrating this material in to space,
80 percent of the asteroid belt could become a technological shell around saturn and the surface of that shell could serve as a habitat for humanity being build gradually over time,
Oneil cylinders could have an outer hull of multiple layers of plating made up of the technological web,
Nanites dont work on earth because they expand a lot of energy and they have very few uses , industrial nanites would probably be mano bots closer to the difurence between a bug and a bacteria, and build particle robots, the size of sand. This type of technology makes the most amount of sence in space as it can not only absorb the stray particles from an ion engine 1/2
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but stray particles of material flying in the region, space junk, it can serve as a lense it can reflect solar energy out to a planet or send a thin portion of itself out in one direction to create a cosmic highway between earth and a neer by star, a much thinner and lighter portion but webbing up the space between stars is possible, and can serve as the highway of ant sized pilots destined to go to another star. Because the web is the web it can work like a jungle, a robotic piece of armor that can work as a spaceship and as a jungle traversal system and move true webbing would make the most amount of sence for conflicst.
The creators of sutch a web would naturally create a system to prevent conflict between worlds and space war, so a gundam made from the best materials and a grunt made from materials strong enough to serve as a weapon and kill worker robots the same size as him well it just writes itself doesnt it.
Someon is hacking the web to create new webbing that replaces the old, the way to stop them is to hack the web back and counter any enemy hacks using brute force, as such Oneil cylinders are territory and weapons, so taking them by sending in mobile suits to demoralise the population or take out the ring is the way to war
“Gundam unicorn has 3 suits that fucking breaks everything”
Me: So, sinanju, unicorn, and banshee
“And none of them are the unicorn”
Me: What?
Haha, and Graham's slightly enhanced Flag from the early parts of Gundam 00 season 1 has 10Gs...never mind the actual Gundams, or their better versions in season 2, or the movie Gundams...or Trans-Am. Hahahahahaha.
You made me choke on my food when you said "crap out his spine"
Good breakdown, but this sort of issue is why I prefer Battletech. Sure it doesn't have a good anime, but it feels more interesting and, generally speaking, has less stat errors.
If they go their suits top speed (in the more lethally quick suits) they're dead but they could have set limits through any safety systems or the pilots take drugs off screen to handle the mechs or perhaps they're like the pilots from G Gundam where they can project and generate energy fields.
What is that "Hungarians" meme from?
I find a flaw in your statement on how "it's a series that takes pride in explaining things and how it works" . I've been watching gundam for years now and the most I've ever seen or heard is that "this is the thing that does the thing" or the blah blah reactor and "insert partical name here" partical is pretty much the jargon used to sum up their explanations. In a anime about giant flying humanoid war machines and teenage empaths i try not to take it very seriously , it really is fiction for a reason and trying to make any real world sense of it will only give you a headache.
Agreed, that's why it's called "Military Science Fiction".
Yoshiyuki Tomino on the Gundam Hammer: It's still a Mecha anime after all.
@@christianrobledo6172 If you want realism in your war anime, why not just watch Grave of the Fireflies instead?
@@coreymurray432 I've heard about that one. Is it good? And where can I watch it.
@@christianrobledo6172 It's set during WWII in and around Kobe, Japan, and follows teenage Seita and his younger sister, Setsuko, as they try to survive after Kobe is firebombed. It was animated by Studio Ghibli and directed by Isao Takahata (Pom Poko, The Tale of the Princess Kaguya). Not for the faint of heart.
There's an old stat sheet from around when zeta came out that gave the G-force acceleration (I assume) to the various MS and MA from zeta. The Messalla has something like 100+G's and was the fastest *Thing* in zeta gundam.
MS stats are worthless numbers, ignore them.
I am really enjoying your videos
about the Sinanju part, the Sinanju is a psycho machine, which mean it’s actual stats can’t actually be measured and there is no g-force in space so the only thing that matters is the thrust and terrain
Its especially funny if you try to look at mobile suit reactor outputs compared to what weaponry they have. Two units with the same reactor output but only one can use beam weapons, because 'reasons'.
When I saw the 88.89 gs on the Neo Zeong...
I was looking like Super Buu when he was turning into Kid Buu.
As a guy who did college mathematics I am disgusted by this level of inconsistency and downright stupidity.
Ah Gundam, where everything is affected by conveniences in writing.
It would be cool if we got a Star wars esque visual dictionary for Gundam (idk if comparing different timelines makes sense- maybe just a UC visual dictionary)
Contemporary fighter jets routinely pull 9.5Gs, so 88 Gs isn't 10x what the body can tolerate. In fact, I have not checked but there may be even more Gs involved in human space travel.
Knights Gundam is a good example of! ‘magic’ in the Gundam series
Isnt sinanju a beta to unicorn in its development and thats the reasoning why it could compete with the unicorn hijinks, also the the fact it has a psycho frame cockpit or laced frame.
Yeah I've notices this too. A lot of things are out of wack. The Gerbera Tetra (one of my faves) is MASSIVE despite being based on the same suit as the much more lithe GP-01 when loaded. It nearly doubles in weight! Does it literally carry its own weight in fuel?!
Thanks for the video it does bother me as well. Also, I don't like how much of a numbers bloat the post UC 0100 suits tend to me. I think all mobile suits should be that small for our sanity as well.
Someone should make a more realistic spreadsheet, with new masses and speeds for all mobile suits.
there’s is no way helium3 can be used as an endless amount of fuel as there isn’t enough of it in the inner belt for the scale its being used at
BOOFIRE191 what but in the first UC they made it clear they couldn’t really go any further than Mars how do they get to Jupiter and back so easily
@@BOOFIRE191 em helium 3 found on the moon soo i don't know XD
@@BOOFIRE191 they started by UC 30.
Another problem: Generator output isn't thruster output. Otherwise Hambrabi and Byarlant will be lame af.
You make some valid points. Some stats on MS are just plain imposible in universe. However the majority of MS stats make sense. I just tend to regard the MS with nonsense stats as faulty data
I also want to point out that there is more to the mobility of a MS then pure acceleration. The Gs of a MS represent how fast a MS can gather forward momentum. However It is critical that a MS can change its direction quickly Thats where the 180 times and nr of apogee motors are for.
If we look at the unicorn gundams stats. It can accelerate at 3.33 G, but has no apogee motors what so ever. So it would do great in a drag race. But it would fly of the tracks once the first corner come around.
so we are not going to mention the stats themselves making no sense since i doubt that you would get very far with the reactor equivalent of 2 tank engines strapped together and that the suits would go faster if we simply dropped them on earth? an f1 car pulls more g when accelerating
The real question is who was In charge of these stats to begin with
g (and yes, that's lower case g, not upper case G) is a measure of acceleration, not of speed. There's no such thing as a top speed in space.
Sustained acceleration can damage the human body in different ways, such as by interfering with blood flow. How much we can take depends on a lot of factors. 3 - 4 g can cause vision impairment within seconds. Exceptionally talented and well-prepared fighter pilots can do about 9 g of sustained acceleration under optimal conditions, though acceleration along certain angles relative to the spine can cause impairment even to them starting at around 3 g. A minute at 15 g is just about guaranteed to be fatal even under the best of conditions.
If there's any technology that can allow you to survive 20 or 88 g of sustained acceleration, it's probably going to involve extensive body modification.
Perhaps the top speed/Gs is only theoretical? Not actually practiced by the pilots because they might not be able to handle it as well as the fact that it just wouldnt be beneficial for any pilot to be going that fast unless they were trying to go into space with just their mobile suit. During sortie pilots would have to process multiple readings from sensors as well as keeping track of ammunition, energy output, location of enemies etc. So if they were to go on top speed they run into the problem of information overload taking in too many things at once, which isnt something you want while you're fighting in a war
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according to gundam wiki :
0.45 G (MS mode)
4.93 G (MA mode)
So they make about as much sense as jojo stand stats
Space magic. Having built the scale models in the past. Reading the ms stats was the one thing i dreaded
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Oh how I wish it was updated... would have 100% had Char in my council
Let's not forget that all the mobiles suits in Gundam Wings are light af, Wing only weighs 7.1 tons, even a 18-wheeler weighs heavier than that.
I also think that Gundam power needs to be revised up an order of magnitude or three. Semi trailers/tractors/18 wheelers have nearly megawatt power levels now and frequently move 40t. I'll be damned if a fully loaded truck ever accelerated that fast.
Where did that wrestling match picture at 3:29 come from?