Mooer GTRS P-800 - I already covered the S-800 but this one is noticeably better for not much more $

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  • @mannmedic5648
    @mannmedic5648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great review as always Ryan! Also, the Two Princes rig bit always gets me, takes me off guard lol

  • @João-t9d
    @João-t9d 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As a Street and Gigging musician ,playing small venues. All i can say is... the less weight you carry on your backs, the better. Its not the best amp models or effects. But its close enough for me. And in the future if this technology gets better. Absolutely welcome. About the guitar itself, wish they put a push/pull for coil splitting. Anyway .
    Its Good value for the money, Fender and Ibanez should be worried about this.

  • @Lloyd_Christmas11
    @Lloyd_Christmas11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'd choose the S800 by a longshot. That sparkly red finish is amazing, and I like the way the humbucker is covered. I can change out the tuners, and the rolling tree myself, easily. The bridge can also be changed/altered without problem.

    • @thesauc3710
      @thesauc3710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They have a dark night finish.

  • @yogasuite8659
    @yogasuite8659 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And I've been playing for 30 years now and have to say that a fender in this equipment and quality would be more expensive ... amazing

  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I like ever evolving guitar designs, and taking advantage of new technology. I'd like to see a video on the Headless model, particularly pointing out if there are really significant advantages or not.

    • @tabkg5802
      @tabkg5802 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well 24 frets and more ergonomic neck joint come to mind. Also IIRC it has a better processor but don't quote me on that.
      Tragic that it doesn't have 3 pickups tho. HSH would've been better to me

  • @familiarpurrson8744
    @familiarpurrson8744 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should absolutely try that fancy fan-fretted job, Ryan, just so we can see you either find it astonishingly easy or amazingly difficult. I’m glad you got to review this version, though. I would’ve absolutely not bought it, but on this one, you have me thinking ‘maybe?’ That, and I really need a fat strat.

  • @rebelcat420
    @rebelcat420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Difference in trem feel is most likely on the number of springs. Assuming same string gauge/scale length, 3 springs installed straight, and loosened up enough to float/balance will have a stiffer feel than 2 springs cranked down further also balancing/floating the bridge. Only catch with 2 springs is you may need to angle them so they can stretch far enough to actually float the bridge level…but they will feel a LOT softer and with more flutter than 3 springs (if you use heavier strings you may need to look at 3 vs 4 springs instead of 2 vs 3)

  • @cheebsgod
    @cheebsgod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That tone you made with all the onboard effects is absolutely horrendous but I love it! I absolutely love you demoing weird stuff like this because it's exactly what an idiot like me would do with it too, just absolutely make the worst sounding things and annoy everybody around me

  • @yogasuite8659
    @yogasuite8659 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have multiple sclerosis, can hardly walk I bought the guitar. Why? Because all my stuff is too heavy for me. Now I'm so happy because I can finally play properly again without getting tangled up in the cables lol that's the best argument for me. The Spund goes great and with my "hotone" the system can even keep up.

  • @LincolnCountyBand-st8yn
    @LincolnCountyBand-st8yn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great review Sir.... I own the headless version and its really cool.. Soooo light... great for those long gigs!

  • @kevinroyal6185
    @kevinroyal6185 ปีที่แล้ว

    p.s. newbie to gutairs...this was a gift..the p model its in the blue...looks great
    checking out some of your other feeds..friends say you know your stuff..

  • @dan9521
    @dan9521 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE that pickguard shape

  • @leonruvalcaba1549
    @leonruvalcaba1549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to really hate stratocaster (type) guitars, but now i start to like them. They sound and look nice😎👌

  • @musoseven8218
    @musoseven8218 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review thanks✌️👍💜😊
    I'm tempted, I was thinking of modifying one of my Japanese Strats with a Dave Murray set up and a new trem and tuners etc, but this "Pro" GTRS is appealing. I'm not sure for me though if the App and onboard tricksty stuff would be a 5 minute wonder or the best thing since sliced bread 🤔🤔🤔

  • @late4work418
    @late4work418 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great job! Very Helpful. I bought one. Great guitar. Still figuring it out.....

  • @christopheranderson2100
    @christopheranderson2100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FYI the pickup selector doesn't stop selecting pickups when you enable the pickup emulation stuff, that's hardwired. So strat emulation on position 1 (humbucker) is going to sound totally different to strat emulation on position 4 or 5.

  • @Livi_Noelle
    @Livi_Noelle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I definitely prefer a smoother, warmer neck pickups, so I gravitate to humbuckers.
    Seymour Duncan 59s or JBs, maybe the Seth Lovers if I have a ton of extra cash.

  • @Taallyn
    @Taallyn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Neat. Next try the headless one!

  • @JenniLudes
    @JenniLudes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fun review! I've been looking at these as sort of "take along" guitar (vacations etc). One thing I have to laugh at, being the nerd I am...still using the old floppy disk (3.5") icon as the "save" button. Guess that's for the old farts like me! ;)

  • @NoBrakes23
    @NoBrakes23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:48 Garand Thumb has entered the chat

  • @stebbarry9395
    @stebbarry9395 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think they should make a headless "travel" guitar version of this. When I travel with a guitar I don't take effects because of the extra bulk. This isn't perfect but it's probably the easiest way to carry some effects. Now they just need to add a looper!

    • @stringplayer999
      @stringplayer999 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Theres a headless version that is very easy to travel with

    • @bolotskih675
      @bolotskih675 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and there is a looper now

  • @michaelorourke7032
    @michaelorourke7032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It seems like a nice guitar that has alot of options for the price tag...

    • @thesauc3710
      @thesauc3710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s more than that. I have one and it’s like a great guitar with modeling. The fact that I can go anywhere with this guitar and practice by plugging in some headphones is almost unreal.

  • @idiotburns
    @idiotburns 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Its a pretty cool tool

  • @ShadowhandofDune
    @ShadowhandofDune 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Saw the thumbnail and thought he got a Suhr Classic S. Even the font on the headstock looks the same.

  • @ShredBrosLTD
    @ShredBrosLTD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    If only they sold this without the built in effects stuff, I’d probably buy one! The specs are exactly what I want!

    • @TimO-wt9sz
      @TimO-wt9sz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Greg I'm so with yah on that I love the one fellow Canadian Darrel Braun was given for review the black knight style.

    • @middaymeds
      @middaymeds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Guitarists only people who look at a new product and think "yeah that looks awesome, I just wish it did less"

    • @fingersmike
      @fingersmike 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Don't see the problem. It can be used as straight up guitar, just don't use the magic switch

    • @TimO-wt9sz
      @TimO-wt9sz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@middaymeds and that's just it you nailed it I don't want a guitar strap with a guitar in back scratcher either although that would be kinda neat .I don't like the light on the guitar I also have every effect I need it's redundant is all.

    • @thesauc3710
      @thesauc3710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Just turn off the switch. Plus you can practice anywhere with this. Just bring headphones. I don’t get the problem. It’s a regular guitar with modeling, not the other way around.

  • @middaymeds
    @middaymeds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hate how this channel has given me a begrudging respect for surf rock

  • @randyupchurch1899
    @randyupchurch1899 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ...Good-day,my Brother & much-love from Southern Illinois!!!...A Strat's guts are all-about the pick-guard...Change the pick-guard(...electronics...),"New-Guitar"!!!...I love Strat's!!!.........."Sir",I believe they have a "separate/stand-alone/pocket-sized unit of-this now,for-use with ANY guitar...$199.00 for this & the pedal!!!...Peace...

  • @bolotskih675
    @bolotskih675 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These pickups are optimized to work best with the built in processor. My w800 is a bit noisy, but when I use it's processor it's dead silent. I may guess it's some inner wiring issue.

  • @eanroad
    @eanroad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very cool! How is the weight? The only challenging thing about more budget friendly guitars is that they are usually relatively heavy.

    • @strumlead8741
      @strumlead8741 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe the weight if fine, actually low in comparison, plus the pick-ups are passive, which is great! th-cam.com/video/UEPfUUBbF1E/w-d-xo.html

  • @davidfoley4707
    @davidfoley4707 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good review

  • @PetrosAntoniouMusic
    @PetrosAntoniouMusic ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the great review my friend. I have a question: I found on the App Store another app called GTRS AC. It seems to be only for acoustic sounds. Could you please make a video only for the acoustic sounds of this guitar, as these are the sounds that interest me and many of us in here. Or at least comment below how it compares with the acoustic sounds of a variax or other similar guitars. I would be grateful in both cases. Thank you in advance. Greetings from Greece!

  • @TimO-wt9sz
    @TimO-wt9sz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    RYAN I LIVE THIS GUITAR BUT AM I ALONE ON THE FACT I WOULD LOVE ONE BUT WITH NO EFFECTS BUILT IN GEESH SORRY FOR THE CAPS ON RYAN PS HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND ITS SNOWIN IN LONDON ONTARIO AS I TEXT THIS .

    • @Dogdickdale
      @Dogdickdale 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🦩💨

    • @fernalicious
      @fernalicious 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Try decaff? ☕

    • @60CycleHumcast
      @60CycleHumcast  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I put in ear plugs before reading this comment ;-)

    • @BoltRM
      @BoltRM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hard not to type in all Caps when you're wearing mittens!

    • @TimO-wt9sz
      @TimO-wt9sz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lmao ..funny stuff .Had my thumbs flapping like beaver tails is what we say in Canada lol.Was just trying to get other opinions on my view of the demo is all.Still didn't get any thanks for the feedback.You would be surprised some of these manufacturers read comments and make changes I hope they do ,I really like the specs and would be interesting on what kinda price it would be .

  • @gsbguitarsgsb679
    @gsbguitarsgsb679 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes absolutely you should try it…

  • @dr.franciscotorresmarquezc7352
    @dr.franciscotorresmarquezc7352 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds perfect strat twan sound. Great guitchaaaa

  • @JayKughan
    @JayKughan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes sir, you should try the headless version. Thanks..
    Cheers..

  • @IWLTFT
    @IWLTFT ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the awesome review, it gives me a great view on P vs S, does the GTRS have an option like Variax that allows on-the-fly alternative tunning settings?

  • @davidstewart4149
    @davidstewart4149 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would definitely use the Fender Mustang Micro live, if it were built into a guitar in a usable form. (Or even a compact pedal.) That was my wish before the GTRS came along.

  • @ousley421
    @ousley421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mooer has some cool stuff, not sure I would rely on the electronics for very long. Boss Pocket GT looks "more better"

    • @ousley421
      @ousley421 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't be such a tard, just get one, damn dude, you are a jackass Todd

    • @ousley421
      @ousley421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No need to be acrimonious, I do want one Retodd.

    • @ousley421
      @ousley421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You know you just want it so you can play along with 70's porn soundtracks while watching Jerry Springer with subtitles.

  • @kellyhinkelman8591
    @kellyhinkelman8591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That sounds pretty good for what it is maybe a distraction from playing skills .No it will be. Sadly, reverb gain maybe 2 pedals is all you need. The rest is grinders at my autobody,ha ha,good job every vid

  • @BoltRM
    @BoltRM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    But does the Premium one come with a sparkle finish? 🤔

    • @60CycleHumcast
      @60CycleHumcast  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope

    • @BoltRM
      @BoltRM 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@60CycleHumcast #sad 😢

    • @thesauc3710
      @thesauc3710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The dark night finish is sparkly

  • @teknomanning
    @teknomanning 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need one

  • @yaqubaxamee9146
    @yaqubaxamee9146 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi there, thanks a lot for demo, I am looking into nick Johnston signature and this. You might have checked nicks model. For now let’s say only about guitar (built in fx aside ) which one do you recommend? Could you make a comparison video in the future? Much appreciated thank you sir.

  • @davidstewart4149
    @davidstewart4149 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the neck profile on your white P800? I just received a P801 (I think), that is the model with the roasted maple fingerboard. The neck profile is considerably different from the P800 I got (which I sent back because the neck was crooked). The S800 and P800 seem to be a C neck profile. The P801 (Mint Green and White, with roasted maple neck, on Amazon) I received has an asymmetrical U neck profile-much thicker (3mm at the crest, but asymmetrical) and square shouldered at the top side, rounded at the bottom side ("baseball bat").

  • @fingersmike
    @fingersmike 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The 801 has roasted maple neck!

  • @liamtahaney713
    @liamtahaney713 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Damn the comment section on this one is wild.

  • @BrentAdams
    @BrentAdams 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I guess that phone app thing might be cool for "on-the-road" headphone practice.... but I'd never use it. Do they make these without that stuff? (I never thought that I would be a "Headless Multi-Scale" guitar owner... I now am playing an 8 string and really loving it. (again, I never thought I'd go that direction... EVER!!!!)

  • @voinrazuma
    @voinrazuma 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But if I click this button on the guitar, it just switch between the ready presets. I do not have any menu, where I can turn on / of the boost or reverb or other pedals.

  • @Eddyvnhln5150
    @Eddyvnhln5150 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Put the noise gate on to cancel noise

  • @darthfaderlives89
    @darthfaderlives89 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I still can’t bring myself to buy a guitar that has (for lack of a better word) a integrated gimmick that will be obsolete and potentially no longer supported in the future. Idk…maybe I’m just no fun 😂

  • @mcadder
    @mcadder 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for another great video! What surf-reverb is that? Surfybear Metal?

    • @60CycleHumcast
      @60CycleHumcast  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s the source audio true spring.

    • @mcadder
      @mcadder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@60CycleHumcast Thank you very much for your swift reply!!

  • @lomoholga
    @lomoholga 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey when are we going to see one of these ‘alternative’ guitar makers going to build proper Jaguar copies (with the vibrato unit and Jaguar electronics) with stainless frets and nice rolled fretboards??????????

  • @kevinroyal6185
    @kevinroyal6185 ปีที่แล้ว

    wondering if you think it's worth shielding the cavity or pickguard to quiet it down..I only have cheap amp..so could be amp? mustang 25

  • @dmitrii4799
    @dmitrii4799 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it controls the mix of the pickups? Is there any solution on the market that would control the pickups tones and their combings in extensive way?

  • @Eddyvnhln5150
    @Eddyvnhln5150 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There’s a M 800 too now

  • @deanallen927
    @deanallen927 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel the same way about the whammy bars. The vintage guitars - real ones, were done right. Also I have a guitar with the 90's all steel Wilkinson and the saddles that adjust every possible way. A pain to dial in, but worth it. Not a fan of the zinc block on the new ones.

  • @Keninoz1
    @Keninoz1 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Quick question.....is the surf preset the one that came with it, or is it one you've created?

    • @60CycleHumcast
      @60CycleHumcast  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Keninoz1 I created it

    • @Keninoz1
      @Keninoz1 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Ok. Thx. Sounds great!

    • @Keninoz1
      @Keninoz1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@60CycleHumcast Hi. Your review helped me to decide on buying a P801, which I did yesterday :) I'm working on writing a Surf Rock song as part of a course & it would be great if you could share with me how you created your surf sound at 9:46.

  • @G4LPodcast
    @G4LPodcast 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If they make a Tele version I'm down

  • @hughschick6847
    @hughschick6847 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now available only in surf green. (?)

  • @illwill9396
    @illwill9396 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most guitar dudes: What? This guitar does everything a good guitar does but it also does a LOT more? "Yeah, idk I think I'll pass".

  • @DJCJ999
    @DJCJ999 ปีที่แล้ว

    If only these guitars did Variax style guitar models.. I could then replace a lot of gear..

  • @hypolaristic
    @hypolaristic ปีที่แล้ว

    W900 when?

  • @Batmaniak7
    @Batmaniak7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ouch, Canadian prices add a grand onto the US price.

  • @kurtweber8853
    @kurtweber8853 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude if you'd given the strange delay/whatever a break and played sparsely you might have noticed the reverse facet of the sound

  • @benoitdufresne3288
    @benoitdufresne3288 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hasn't Harley Benton destroyed that 500-800$ price range? Roasted maple necks and staggered locking tuner and all that good stuff can be had for much cheaper with HB. When a no-name brand tries to sell the same specs for twice the price I tend to go 'who do you think you are?'

  • @robertlathan4639
    @robertlathan4639 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    INSTEAD OF CONSTANT RETUNING WHY DON'T YOU TRY TUGGING THE TREM BAR A COUPLE OF TIMES!!! IT ALWAYS WORKS ON THE STRAT STYLE TREMS AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE JAGUAR STYLE TREMS

    • @dragoonphotography5847
      @dragoonphotography5847 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      OKAY COOL BUT I CANT TUNE WHEN IM SHOUTING

    • @60CycleHumcast
      @60CycleHumcast  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT WORKS AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN’T. TUNING WORKS EVERY-TIME. THIS ISN’T A STAGE SHOW WHERE I GET TO LIVE IN THE MOMENT, IT’S A VIDEO WHERE IF THINGS SOUND BAD I HAVE TO RESHOOT IT. WHICH IS A HUGE PAIN IN THE ASS.

    • @robertlathan4639
      @robertlathan4639 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dragoonphotography5847CELL PHONE SCREEN IS CRACKED FROM A COUPLE TIMES I HAVE DROPPED IT AND IT IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN READ ANY THING!¡ SORRY, I AM NOT SHOUTING!!

  • @MrBlowncat
    @MrBlowncat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🌟🌟✨🙌🏼

  • @Nicky-T
    @Nicky-T 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't know if the future is effects and all in the guitar. Seems impractical. Can't beat my Helix with my Variaxes, and I have footswitch control of all my effects, amps, guitar emulations, tunings. Too bad that guitarists are such Luddites that the Variax line has been discontinued due to lack of interest. I have four now and can't imagine a world where I don't have at least several. The one-trick pony passive circuit electric guitar is obsolete as far as I'm concerned. Nothing out there to get excited about any more, except for these rare exceptions to the old school rehash models and overpriced signature guitars.

  • @Paul_Lenard_Ewing
    @Paul_Lenard_Ewing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nothing is dumber than building such electronics into a guitar that is guaranteed to become redundant in a very short time. Put that crap on the floor and leave my guitar alone to age and improve over time just like guitars decade old do. They increase in value instead of being full of crap that turns them into a 'Wall Hanger'

  • @dylandylan2676
    @dylandylan2676 ปีที่แล้ว

    😉

  • @andreasguldner1917
    @andreasguldner1917 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good evening. which famous stars play such a guitar?

  • @johnrichardson6927
    @johnrichardson6927 ปีที่แล้ว

    what reverb pedal are you using?

    • @Eddyvnhln5150
      @Eddyvnhln5150 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably Surfybear

  • @kdakan
    @kdakan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would stay away from guitars with built in effects or guitar tone simulations. Because a proper guitar can always be upgraded with parts and doesn't get outdated but digital effects and will lose their value and appeal in a few years time. Like the variax or Roland VG guitars, these are not upgradable and will be useless in less than 5 years.

    • @60CycleHumcast
      @60CycleHumcast  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In the case of these guitars the built in effects don’t need to be on to function. So yeah if that part goes bad it sucks but the guitar it’s self isn’t bricked.

  • @dabottle
    @dabottle 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ir they make it better why don't they make it beautiful? That headstock is hideous!!!

  • @robertmailloux3720
    @robertmailloux3720 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    😆😆👍..sorry,this is crap and reality is get a used Strat for this price..Schecter,Ibanez ..Thx for the trouble ,this is not a good option.

  • @mykhedelic6471
    @mykhedelic6471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Unpopular opinion, but I LOATHE HSS Strats, and really, hate Strat copies, even immaculate ones like Suhr. They just "look" like a butchered design, those neutered headstocks. Besides, design your own guitar. The violin has, more or less, a locked shape/design for functional/sound purposes-- NOT SO with an electric guitar. All that said, room for one-- Eddie's glorious punk monstrosity. Served a purpose and artistically consistent. If I want a bucker I go SG etc. Leave the Strat to the glory of The Strat. Leo.

    • @cheebsgod
      @cheebsgod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Fender: play authentic

    • @lowkeyd34d63
      @lowkeyd34d63 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This dude is doin that sweet fender propaganda for free! Chill dude, leo fender is not going to come back to the world of the living to praise you for choosing authentic lmao

    • @lowkeyd34d63
      @lowkeyd34d63 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Also, do you think musicman and g&l are also strat butchered abominations?

    • @houstontexaslivingth
      @houstontexaslivingth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s great and all but have you played the nick Johnston from schecter ? Crazy awesome strat copy

    • @BoltRM
      @BoltRM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Strat? Anything less than the Rickenbacker Frying Pan is just hokum.

  • @onefatstratcat
    @onefatstratcat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Better is gooder

  • @yogasuite8659
    @yogasuite8659 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have multiple sclerosis, can hardly walk I bought the guitar. Why? Because all my stuff is too heavy for me. Now I'm so happy because I can finally play properly again without getting tangled up in the cables lol that's the best argument for me. The Spund goes great and with my "hotone" the system can even keep up.