I love that the Windows 98SE Boot Disk basically *is* MS-DOS 7 :) once again Phil has come through with another brilliant and priceless video, thanks mate!
@@philscomputerlab i need a copy of the emm386.exe file but i do not have a computer with win 98 installed. i have done an internet search and did manage to find the file but may be a copy from dos 6.22 because the file is 119kb not 125,495 bytes. will any version of emm386.exe file work? is there anyway you can add the win 98 emm386.exe file in the "links to resources" area below the video? thanks.
It is not working for me. showing error as "EMM386 has detected error #17 in an application at memory address 0000:0082. To minimize the chance of data loss, EMM386 has halted your computer." any suggestions?
I really like the utilities that come with Dos 6.22, like scandisk, defrag, msd, memmaker, edit, qbasic... I was hoping for a video on how to replace the entire MS-DOS 6.22 with MS-DOS 7.1 and have these features.... but if I copy the MS-DOS 6.22 software over to a 7.1 system I get "Incorrect DOS version." when I try to run them. Is it possible to get the entire 7.1 package with all the utils?
To do this using MS-DOS 8.0 from the Windows ME Boot Disk, follow these steps: 1. Do fdisk exactly like in this video. 2. Format C: /u /v:{Volume Name Here} 3. Take these three files from the Windows ME OEM CD (You can get one at WinWorldPC): 1. \Win9x\Tools\NetTools\fac\ltools.dta\io.sys 2. \Win9x\Tools\NetTools\fac\ltools.dta\command.com 3. \Win9x\Tools\NetTools\fac\ltools.dta\msdos.sys 4. Move them all to the C: drive. 5. Edit msdos.sys to remove the logo and registry, then add all the attributes. 6. Add all the attributes to io.sys. 7. Add the EMM386 from the Windows ME Windows Folder. 8. Base System Installed! 9. The Boot Menu itself does work, but the Windows ME Boot Disk for some reason can't run emm386 at all. Also, using himem.sys is not necessary, as the MS-DOS 8.0 io.sys includes himem.sys in it.
While Extended Memory works on 8.0 even better than it did on 7.1, 8.0 should really only be considered as a novelty, as, like with Windows, Seven is the best version.
Windows Me does not support loading Emm386.exe from the Startup disk(kb 275423). To restore emm386 functions, try replacing it with jemm386 version 5.78 2012-09-22 from freedos 1.2
Help!!! IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS and the BOOTLOG.TXT files are all missing from the boot disc mentioned in the video. I am trying to setup a pure dos system and have created a partition, formated the drive and made a DOS directory and xcopied over all the files, but as I said, the other nessarsary files are missing. Can you help me please? Thanks.
Are there any disadvantages to using DOS 7.1 instead of 6.22, like incompatibilities or just weird quirks? Also, why use a 32GB partition if 120GB is supported? Great video as always!
To answer the latter half of your question, the 32 GB partition was used because he just happened to have a 32GB Compact Flash card in the machine. Also, under what circumstances would you use all 32GB in DOS, never mind 120GB?
I dunno. I just like the idea of having as much storage as possible and then seeing how much can be used. Edit: Also, thank you for pointing out that detail, I missed it the first time.
hello, i have an old laptop that has win98 SE installed on C: i would like to keep win98 and create a partition to use MS DOS, can i just create a partition and name it D: for example, and install DOS on it or do i absolutely have to delete the primary win98 on C: ? in other words a dual boot computer that has win 98 and MS DOS. thanks
That should not be needed. Windows 98 SE has MS-DOS mode built in. You can try this: www.philscomputerlab.com/ms-dos-mode-tutorials.html The two files at the top with instructions.
thanks for you quick reply, I am trying to program some old Motorola radios that require strictly native MS dos, not sure if launching DOS from a windows environment will work but i will give a try , if it does not work, can i still create a partition to use MS DOS only?
There is DOS from withing Windows, often referred to as DOS session or command prompt. But MS-DOS mode is native DOS. Check my website, follow the instructions and you'll see what I mean.
With a partitions manager for windows we can decrease the primary boot partition without to destroy the content, if we defrag the disk before to put the data near together. And than we can move the content to get space for another primary partition and for a second DOS boot manager for to hide and unhide the just not used primary partition and for to select DOS or Windows for booting. So we can separate DOS from Windows, because only one primary partition is visible at boot time. But within Windows we can temporary make the hidden partion visible for to exchange some files. But all of the partions manager from windows to linux are crazy and can do ugly things with partition. So the best way is to delete all partition and start again to divide the disk with one or more partion.
I am currently installed win2000, but i have both win98 and win2000 disc. How do I create a ms-dos disk and install it to my separate partition. Please help!! Thanks.
Ok, great! I can get a FAT32 system. But, how do I start to get that system? I don’t have a DOS 7, setup disk. This is embedded in the bios which on my two dell pentium systems is FAT16.
Hey Phil, i was looking for a simple way of having a bootable windows 98SE here on my Redmi 9 pro.. unfortunately there is no simple way but i have managed to get it running via magicdosbox, with issues though (mdosbox uses msdos5.0).. do you think it is possible to install 7.1 on that magicdosbox and on that windows98SE??? Thanx
Thanks a lot for this tutorial, it will be a handy reference in the future. I have a Windows 98SE CD but not MS-DOS 6.22 install floppies, so I can do MS-DOS 7.1 but not 6.22.
Hi Phil, is it possible to upgrade the screen size of the HP 200LX running DOS 3.0? And while at it convert the CF to SD? Or build a new PCB for the ROM chip?
Possibly cover how the PCB of this system worked, or the cassio cassiopeia a11, so one could possibly create newer hardware for the rom chip? Thanks for your videos Phil.
MS-DOS 7.1 has another nice feature which is autocompletion, altho I noticed it doesn't work from a windows 98 boot disk but it does from a proper install. It's generally a bit nicer to use
There are a few compatibility issues with it on Windows 98, but I've never experienced any compatibility issues with the bootdisk version, so no, not really.
It's important to get the No Ramdrive version. The Ramdrive version does not have the Format utility! You can also add DisableLog=1 to MSDOS.SYS so that it prevents from creating BOOTLOG.TXT and BOOTLOG.PRV after every boot, which you can delete after putting this line, for an ever sleeker root directory. Also, it would be nice to hack the COMMAND.COM (or is it IO.SYS?) to replace the Microsoft Windows 98 Startup Menu text in the boot menu with a a custom one, as it's distracting!
Because you do not load DOS drivers in Windows 98! You need to keep it separate for MS-DOS mode. I stopped helping people with their DOS / 98 issues because people always mix it up :)
Personally I'd've just used the China DOS Union distribution of MS-DOS 7.1, as that has a bit more flexible installer (as en example relevant to Windows 3.1 users, it asks you if you want to enable LFN or not.)
Do you always use MS-DOS or have you tried using anything like IBM PC-DOS? I have gone up to PC-DOS 6.1 and it still acts like it is a duplicate of MS-DOS. My understanding is that they shared the same code for many years; almost to the end of the DOS run.
Yea I like sticking with MS-DOS. But I will do a review on the experimental 1.2 version of FreeDOS. It's pretty good and supports drives past 120 GB which is nice :)
I am having some difficulties when it comes to emm386. I have that file from a Windows 98 SE installation, but when i try to install it in MSDOS 7.1, i get "emm386 not installed - incorrect machine type". As far as i know, a i586 should be backwards compatible with a 386... That means i only have 640K of memory available, and that is not enough for anything. If anyone knows how to solve this, any help is appreciated.
Great tutorial Phil, but how do i install w98se parallell to dos 7.1, i seem to bump into the problem that w98 is trying to use your dos bootlist before booting into windows.
I have a pentium (3) computer and would like to reformat the hard drive and then install MS DOS 7.1 so that it would be possible for me to use QuickBasic 4.5. Is it possible to run a pentium (3) without any version of windows? I also have windows 98. Can I install it after installing MS DOS? Would the combination work? Thanks very much for any help which you can give me.
a bit late I know! a Pentium III as a DOS-only PC is totally fine; perhaps on the high end but at least you're not wasting the PC compared to doing it on a Core i7 or something. since you actually want to run both MS-DOS 7.1 and Windows 98, you can literally do that by partitioning the hard drive with FDISK and installing DOS on one partition and Windows on the other. without actually doing that though, since MS-DOS 7.1 is just the DOS from the Windows 95 OEM Service Releases and Windows 98, you can do the following to set the PC to start in MS-DOS mode and then Windows 98's graphical operating environment is started manually by typing "win", same as Windows 3.1 etc: (Boot into Windows 98) Click Start, Shutdown, and Shutdown the PC in MS-DOS mode. Type cd\ to get to the C:\> prompt. Type attrib msdos.sys -r -a -s -h Type edit msdos.sys Locate the line BOOTGUI=1 and change the line to BOOTGUI=0 Save the file and reboot the PC. (Source: Computer Hope)
Yes I know exactly the issue. DOS being 16 bit, it can only count up to 65536. So it basically starts counting at 0 when it tries to count to 80 :D If you just want a single 80 GB partition, just FDISK it, format it, and you will have 80 GB, despite the tool showing different numbers. This works up to 120 GB, the "real" limit.
Yes it is possible to use at maximum four primary IDE partition with four different MS DOS installed on one hard drive, but only one of them can be visible and the other three of them have to be hidden by a boot manager. All of the primary partition have to fit into the first 2 GB of the hard drive, so we can give each one ~ 512 MB for drive C:. And with the boot manager we can select which of them is visible ready for booting. We can install on each primary partition a bootmanager, so we can jump from bootmanager to bootmanager befor we boot DOS from one of the primary partition. On the secondary partition we can use the extended partition typ to use the rest space of the hard drive with more driver letters. And from the mainboard bios we can switch to the other IDE channel, so that we can use a secondary drive for booting with additional four primary partition. And if we use an IDE-Controller card or SCSI-Controller card for the ISA/VLB/PCI-Bus then we can enter the card bios of the controller for enable to boot from the controller card.
Natively, without third party boot managers, Windows 95 retail (or 95A) will happily dual boot with an older version of DOS such as 5.0 or 6.22, but you won’t have FAT32 support with the older version or with 7.0 from 95. You basically hit F8 to bring up the menu to choose the older version as needed. You’ll have to find patches to make 95B or 95C dual boot with an older version, and if you do, be sure there is at least one FAT16 partition for the old version of DOS. There are also handy tutorials online to triple boot DOS 6.x (or 5.x), Win 95, and NT 3.51 (or 4.0) which can all share the same FAT16 partition if you wish. Otherwise, if you plan on using more versions of DOS outside of 5.x / 6.x + 7.0, then you’ll want a third party boot manager.
Nahhh. The DOS commands you need to play games are minimal. Just CD to change folders, DIR to list files and identify collectables. If you really need a commander, check out Volkov commander.
Hey man i don't won't not to praise you or anything,but i don't know what is wrong with your bootable floopy disc that you have on ms-dos 7.10,couse to not have the windows 98 splash screen,on my computer doesn't require youre msdos.sys file additional commands,commands like [options] don't require those comands like.The only command you must have in msdos.sys file is ; united with any text,for example ;w98ebd,and that's it all man...
EDIT: I got it! I decided to follow the video extremely literally and install DOS 6.22 on the card first. I’m not sure if having dos on there helped or that EZ-BIOS (from ez drive) survived the partition and format did it but it worked:) Hmm I’m formatting C: with the /s switch but it’s booting to a blank screen with blinking cursor... it’s not saying “no OS installed” but it’s also not loading DOS. I’m using a Gotek so I had to copy the boot disk contents to it but I made sure to include and un-hide the hidden files. Has this happened to anyone? Would anyone be willing to help with advice or copy and paste the files in the no ram boot disk so I can check I have everything? Thank you!!
That's the thing, when you create boot drive from a boot floppy, there is no LOGO.SYS. It's quite interesting how it works, the steps are a bit different compared to having installed Windows 98 from CD.
Oh! Didn't know about that. I've used this method before to install MSDOS and if you copy another LOGO.SYS it shows the newly copied file. But that's only aestetics. MSDOS 7.1 also has native support for LFN, which is great. Great video as usual.
Recently set up a Pentium 4 with Windows 98SE and configured it to boot into Dos 7.1 and Windows independently. I wanted to come up with a text-mode full screen intro logo and came up with the logo from here: www.reddit.com/r/DOS/comments/7z1csd/msdos_full_screen_boot_logo_text_mode/ Thought you might find it interesting, your videos really inspired me to see how well I could turn this machine into a viable DOS and Windows 98 gaming machine.
Windows will recognize it, it just doesn't format them in that size to promote the NTFS file system, you can use partition magic, gparted on Linux, pretty much every partition manager but Windows will do the job, I even remember that somebody I knew had a 2TB hard drive formatted on Fat32, how he passed the limit I don't know, he expained but I don't quite remember, what I can tell you is that it's posible to format them up to 137gb drives, and Windows will read them.
Haha, yea it's part of Windows 98. But there never was a MS-DOS 7.1 in the sense of going to a store and buying it. So this IS basically a hack to be honest.
SOLVED The version of the boot disc image that had missing files, creates a ramdrive (ussually next one after cd-rom) with the files I didn't find. As easy as change to the ramdrive letter (d: or e:) and copy again all the files needed to "C:\DOS" ************************************************************************************************** There's something I don't get. The win98 floppy image used to install ms-dos 7.1 is a custom image? The floppy image I download from the links don't have mscdex, edit, attrib... or do Phil copy the contents over a base 6.22 hd installation?
Have you checked all the drives? AFAIK this boot disk creates a RAM Drive and unpacks files. There are two versions of this bootdisk, one with RAM Drive, the other one without.
I love that the Windows 98SE Boot Disk basically *is* MS-DOS 7 :)
once again Phil has come through with another brilliant and priceless video, thanks mate!
I've lost all my old stuff. Gonna make a bootable dos 7.1 install USB
I like to edit my autoexec.bat and config.sys manually. Been doing that since 1992.
Me too :-) since 1990 and I still Love Q-Edit. DOS Power Tools is an Awesome, Awesome book.
Nice job. Clean and simple. Thanks.
Cheers :)
@@philscomputerlab i need a copy of the emm386.exe file but i do not have a computer with win 98 installed. i have done an internet search and did manage to find the file but may be a copy from dos 6.22 because the file is 119kb not 125,495 bytes. will any version of emm386.exe file work? is there anyway you can add the win 98 emm386.exe file in the "links to resources" area below the video? thanks.
It is not working for me.
showing error as "EMM386 has detected error #17 in an application at memory address 0000:0082. To minimize the chance of data loss, EMM386 has halted your computer." any suggestions?
What about your site, Phil?
where can you find your archive to download?
I really like the utilities that come with Dos 6.22, like scandisk, defrag, msd, memmaker, edit, qbasic... I was hoping for a video on how to replace the entire MS-DOS 6.22 with MS-DOS 7.1 and have these features.... but if I copy the MS-DOS 6.22 software over to a 7.1 system I get "Incorrect DOS version." when I try to run them. Is it possible to get the entire 7.1 package with all the utils?
I'd like to kinow that as well. I wonder if you partitioned for 1GB and the rest for Win98, you could install MSDOS V6.22 in drive C?
That's easy, these utilities are included when you install Windows 98. Most should be in the Windows or one of its sub-folders.
Thank you! I'll search for it in the Windows folder
To do this using MS-DOS 8.0 from the Windows ME Boot Disk, follow these steps:
1. Do fdisk exactly like in this video.
2. Format C: /u /v:{Volume Name Here}
3. Take these three files from the Windows ME OEM CD (You can get one at WinWorldPC):
1. \Win9x\Tools\NetTools\fac\ltools.dta\io.sys
2. \Win9x\Tools\NetTools\fac\ltools.dta\command.com
3. \Win9x\Tools\NetTools\fac\ltools.dta\msdos.sys
4. Move them all to the C: drive.
5. Edit msdos.sys to remove the logo and registry, then add all the attributes.
6. Add all the attributes to io.sys.
7. Add the EMM386 from the Windows ME Windows Folder.
8. Base System Installed!
9. The Boot Menu itself does work, but the Windows ME Boot Disk for some reason can't run emm386 at all. Also, using himem.sys is not necessary, as the MS-DOS 8.0 io.sys includes himem.sys in it.
While Extended Memory works on 8.0 even better than it did on 7.1, 8.0 should really only be considered as a novelty, as, like with Windows, Seven is the best version.
Windows Me does not support loading Emm386.exe from the Startup disk(kb 275423). To restore emm386 functions, try replacing it with jemm386 version 5.78 2012-09-22 from freedos 1.2
Help!!!
IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS and the BOOTLOG.TXT files are all missing from the boot disc mentioned in the video. I am trying to setup a pure dos system and have created a partition, formated the drive and made a DOS directory and xcopied over all the files, but as I said, the other nessarsary files are missing. Can you help me please?
Thanks.
Are there any disadvantages to using DOS 7.1 instead of 6.22, like incompatibilities or just weird quirks? Also, why use a 32GB partition if 120GB is supported? Great video as always!
To answer the latter half of your question, the 32 GB partition was used because he just happened to have a 32GB Compact Flash card in the machine. Also, under what circumstances would you use all 32GB in DOS, never mind 120GB?
I dunno. I just like the idea of having as much storage as possible and then seeing how much can be used. Edit: Also, thank you for pointing out that detail, I missed it the first time.
Nathan Hardy No problem, and I see your point about seeing how much storage you can use.
Use FreeDOS and 2 TB :)
it is a pig with conventional ram, like 6.22 only consumes 16k when 7.1 consumes 28k
I like that case, Phil. Is it AT or an ATX with PSU adapter?
It's an ATX case with a uATX motherboard :)
I may attempt a setup of Win 98 on a “CF disk” but I have to start somewhere before installing Win 98. Hopefully, the later install will be FAT32.
I was trying to figure out how to remove the boot logo and this video helped! Thanks!
hello, i have an old laptop that has win98 SE installed on C: i would like to keep win98 and create a partition to use MS DOS, can i just create a partition and name it D: for example, and install DOS on it or do i absolutely have to delete the primary win98 on C: ?
in other words a dual boot computer that has win 98 and MS DOS.
thanks
That should not be needed. Windows 98 SE has MS-DOS mode built in. You can try this: www.philscomputerlab.com/ms-dos-mode-tutorials.html
The two files at the top with instructions.
thanks for you quick reply, I am trying to program some old Motorola radios that require strictly native MS dos, not sure if launching DOS from a windows environment will work but i will give a try , if it does not work, can i still create a partition to use MS DOS only?
There is DOS from withing Windows, often referred to as DOS session or command prompt. But MS-DOS mode is native DOS. Check my website, follow the instructions and you'll see what I mean.
With a partitions manager for windows we can decrease the primary boot partition without to destroy the content, if we defrag the disk before to put the data near together. And than we can move the content to get space for another primary partition and for a second DOS boot manager for to hide and unhide the just not used primary partition and for to select DOS or Windows for booting. So we can separate DOS from Windows, because only one primary partition is visible at boot time. But within Windows we can temporary make the hidden partion visible for to exchange some files.
But all of the partions manager from windows to linux are crazy and can do ugly things with partition. So the best way is to delete all partition and start again to divide the disk with one or more partion.
can you make a video about getting pci soundcards to work under dos?
With why OPL2 or OPL3 chip is important.
Thank you, and keep up the good work.
Of course. It's on my list already, but I can't tell you when I get around to doing it.
+PhilsComputerLab cool
Like the starter pack ... Have been using it a while now!
That's great to hear :)
very good tutorial and very well explained, that Phil!
I am currently installed win2000, but i have both win98 and win2000 disc. How do I create a ms-dos disk and install it to my separate partition. Please help!! Thanks.
Excellent. Going to do this on my old 486. Thanks!
Is that a proper Australian accent? Has a somewhat German accent to me. Or am i mistaken?
Hey there! Could you please make a video on installing GCC / DJGPP to this 7.1 build? Thank you 😊
Ok, great! I can get a FAT32 system. But, how do I start to get that system? I don’t have a DOS 7, setup disk. This is embedded in the bios which on my two dell pentium systems is FAT16.
Hey Phil, i was looking for a simple way of having a bootable windows 98SE here on my Redmi 9 pro.. unfortunately there is no simple way but i have managed to get it running via magicdosbox, with issues though (mdosbox uses msdos5.0).. do you think it is possible to install 7.1 on that magicdosbox and on that windows98SE??? Thanx
Thanks a lot for this tutorial, it will be a handy reference in the future. I have a Windows 98SE CD but not MS-DOS 6.22 install floppies, so I can do MS-DOS 7.1 but not 6.22.
Good you found it useful :) I enjoy making these tutorials and it's great to see people use them.
please can you do a follow up video of how to install windows3.11 after having dos 7.1 installed?
AFAIK you should use MS-DOS 6.22 for Windows 3.11. If you use DOS 7, you should be using Windows 98 SE for best compatibility! Hope that helps.
hello Phil!! CAN i install the dos boot menu to drive d instead of c? is it possible? or its automated to c?
Hi Phil. Where can i get Your install disk you run afterwards?
The DOS Starter Pack? Beck my website PhilsComputerLab.com.
Hi Phil, is it possible to upgrade the screen size of the HP 200LX running DOS 3.0? And while at it convert the CF to SD? Or build a new PCB for the ROM chip?
Possibly cover how the PCB of this system worked, or the cassio cassiopeia a11, so one could possibly create newer hardware for the rom chip? Thanks for your videos Phil.
What is the advantage beyond the large disk space? Or are there compatilibity issues with the older executables?
It's basically 120 GB vs four 2 GB partitions. A huge difference if you want to build a larger DOS library.
MS-DOS 7.1 has another nice feature which is autocompletion, altho I noticed it doesn't work from a windows 98 boot disk but it does from a proper install. It's generally a bit nicer to use
There are a few compatibility issues with it on Windows 98, but I've never experienced any compatibility issues with the bootdisk version, so no, not really.
It's important to get the No Ramdrive version.
The Ramdrive version does not have the Format utility!
You can also add DisableLog=1 to MSDOS.SYS so that it prevents from creating BOOTLOG.TXT and BOOTLOG.PRV after every boot, which you can delete after putting this line, for an ever sleeker root directory.
Also, it would be nice to hack the COMMAND.COM (or is it IO.SYS?) to replace the Microsoft Windows 98 Startup Menu text in the boot menu with a a custom one, as it's distracting!
Thanks for the infor! I do show how to remove the Widows 98 screen at the end of the video.
I know :) I was talking about something different than the logo - the logging files which are useless.
i found a way to get Windows 3.1 working on DOS 7.1, i used the OSR2FIX program to patch the IO.SYS to support Windows 3.1
Nice.
i even got Windows 3.1 to run on DOS mode on Windows 95 with that same method so it's 2 Windows OSes on 1 partition
with a windows 98SE installed, Why not run your Starter Pack.. seems to work fine with my machines.
Because you do not load DOS drivers in Windows 98! You need to keep it separate for MS-DOS mode. I stopped helping people with their DOS / 98 issues because people always mix it up :)
PhilsComputerLab so booting into Win 98SE and then reboot to msdos mode would retain all your sound, CD, and mouse drivers? Well allow them to work?
Jason Hicks No, no no I'm afraid. I recommend you read up on the topic, as it's more complex.
PhilsComputerLab Oh okay thanks. I'll have to take a refresher course ;)
Bring back the DOS games!!!
What a nice case that is. I'm looking for something similar. Where did you get it? Oh, nice video as usual.
It's an older Antec media PC case.
Personally I'd've just used the China DOS Union distribution of MS-DOS 7.1, as that has a bit more flexible installer (as en example relevant to Windows 3.1 users, it asks you if you want to enable LFN or not.)
Do you always use MS-DOS or have you tried using anything like IBM PC-DOS? I have gone up to PC-DOS 6.1 and it still acts like it is a duplicate of MS-DOS. My understanding is that they shared the same code for many years; almost to the end of the DOS run.
Yea I like sticking with MS-DOS. But I will do a review on the experimental 1.2 version of FreeDOS. It's pretty good and supports drives past 120 GB which is nice :)
Thanks. I look forward to seeing a review of the 1.2 FreeDOS. Have never tried that one myself.
FreeDOS supports networking too ;)
Well you can network with MS-DOS, it's just the most painful thing ever.
darkstar100x Yea I tried it once for a YT video, but now I just use sneaker net :D
I am having some difficulties when it comes to emm386. I have that file from a Windows 98 SE installation, but when i try to install it in MSDOS 7.1, i get "emm386 not installed - incorrect machine type".
As far as i know, a i586 should be backwards compatible with a 386...
That means i only have 640K of memory available, and that is not enough for anything.
If anyone knows how to solve this, any help is appreciated.
What do you mean by no ram drive?
Also, can ms dos 3 os like win1.01 be ran on ms dos 6?
Great tutorial Phil, but how do i install w98se parallell to dos 7.1, i seem to bump into the problem that w98 is trying to use your dos bootlist before booting into windows.
MS-DOS 7.1 IS part of Windows 98 SE.
I have a pentium (3) computer and would like to reformat the hard drive and then install MS DOS 7.1 so that it would be possible for me to use QuickBasic 4.5. Is it possible to run a pentium (3) without any version of windows? I also have windows 98. Can I install it after installing MS DOS? Would the combination work? Thanks very much for any help which you can give me.
a bit late I know! a Pentium III as a DOS-only PC is totally fine; perhaps on the high end but at least you're not wasting the PC compared to doing it on a Core i7 or something.
since you actually want to run both MS-DOS 7.1 and Windows 98, you can literally do that by partitioning the hard drive with FDISK and installing DOS on one partition and Windows on the other.
without actually doing that though, since MS-DOS 7.1 is just the DOS from the Windows 95 OEM Service Releases and Windows 98, you can do the following to set the PC to start in MS-DOS mode and then Windows 98's graphical operating environment is started manually by typing "win", same as Windows 3.1 etc:
(Boot into Windows 98)
Click Start, Shutdown, and Shutdown the PC in MS-DOS mode.
Type cd\ to get to the C:\> prompt.
Type attrib msdos.sys -r -a -s -h
Type edit msdos.sys
Locate the line BOOTGUI=1 and change the line to BOOTGUI=0
Save the file and reboot the PC.
(Source: Computer Hope)
is there any why to have it say Starting MS DOS 7.1 and not "starting windows 98"
yup, use the dos 7.1 cd installer iso
winworldpc.com/product/ms-dos/7x
Is there any difference between this and a "retail" version of MS DOS (Like 6.22)? And what about MS DOS 8.0 from Windows Me?
Fat32 support is the biggest difference. I tried 8.0, didn't work for me.
I've done 8.0 perfectly, with a custom installation located here: www.multiboot.ru/msdos8.htm
darkstar100x I tried with the ME boot disk and it wouldn't work. What's the benefit of 8?
Tip for those of you that want windows 3.11 to work with fat32 file system. Works like a charm on my PS\1.
yeah but for windows 3.x use the China DOS Union Version in WinWorldPC
great Job Phil
Can you install Windows 3.11 on top of MS-DOS 7.1?
tomoya97 yes :) but only you must have 1 GB of ram
Yes without any problems...
I need to know how to get the keyboard language to german
I'm going through the steps and even though I have an 80GB HDD it's only letting me use 10GB of it. Any ideas?
Yes I know exactly the issue. DOS being 16 bit, it can only count up to 65536. So it basically starts counting at 0 when it tries to count to 80 :D
If you just want a single 80 GB partition, just FDISK it, format it, and you will have 80 GB, despite the tool showing different numbers. This works up to 120 GB, the "real" limit.
can you make a video about how to install ISA Plug and Play Sound Blaster in DOS 7.1
Just install from the Sound Blaster disks, there is really not much to it.
wen i try to install the Sound Blaster disk keep saying something about Creative PnP Configuration Manager is not installed and i not got that disk
Yea you need the CTCM disk for that. Just insert it when asked.
Your channel is great!
Thanks!
Thank you :)
Where did you find a motherboard for the Cyrix GX chip?
Git it from an awesome VOGONS forum member.
PhilsComputerLab
Cool. I'd like to find one. Did that card arrive yet?
Not yet. It arrived at the forwarder last week, so shouldn't be too long. Won't have much time though as I'm moving soon.
where's the build video of this machine? Love to see it..
Hehe you noticed it :) Might to a video on it. A bit stressed currently as I'm moving soon, so might be a while :/
Why do you speak with an upward affliction?
i dont understand the first step... what is this win98 thing for?
I don't understand your question I'm afraid?
PhilsComputerLab sry. you said we should download something windows 98 with no ramdisk. What is that? Sry. i am new to dos
Yes, from the download link in the description. I put a screenshot in the video as well.
HOW DO I EVEN GET TEH FUK DISK
Can multiple dos systems be on one pc?
Yes it is possible to use at maximum four primary IDE partition with four different MS DOS installed on one hard drive, but only one of them can be visible and the other three of them have to be hidden by a boot manager. All of the primary partition have to fit into the first 2 GB of the hard drive, so we can give each one ~ 512 MB for drive C:. And with the boot manager we can select which of them is visible ready for booting.
We can install on each primary partition a bootmanager, so we can jump from bootmanager to bootmanager befor we boot DOS from one of the primary partition. On the secondary partition we can use the extended partition typ to use the rest space of the hard drive with more driver letters.
And from the mainboard bios we can switch to the other IDE channel, so that we can use a secondary drive for booting with additional four primary partition. And if we use an IDE-Controller card or SCSI-Controller card for the ISA/VLB/PCI-Bus then we can enter the card bios of the controller for enable to boot from the controller card.
Natively, without third party boot managers, Windows 95 retail (or 95A) will happily dual boot with an older version of DOS such as 5.0 or 6.22, but you won’t have FAT32 support with the older version or with 7.0 from 95. You basically hit F8 to bring up the menu to choose the older version as needed. You’ll have to find patches to make 95B or 95C dual boot with an older version, and if you do, be sure there is at least one FAT16 partition for the old version of DOS.
There are also handy tutorials online to triple boot DOS 6.x (or 5.x), Win 95, and NT 3.51 (or 4.0) which can all share the same FAT16 partition if you wish. Otherwise, if you plan on using more versions of DOS outside of 5.x / 6.x + 7.0, then you’ll want a third party boot manager.
No NC install?
Nahhh. The DOS commands you need to play games are minimal. Just CD to change folders, DIR to list files and identify collectables.
If you really need a commander, check out Volkov commander.
It's going good, thank you.
I miss installing windows 98SE :)
My main question is: What 7.1 can' t do that FreeDos can?
I've done a review on the latest version of FreeDOS on my channel, might be worth taking a look!
Can you do a video on how to install this to a computer that already has an OS? Please? I have a vista computer! Please... please...по.... ио...
Wait what? I HAVE VICE CITY! Why do I need DOS?!?!
+Boyborg690_ DOS is fast than windows at least
+MeatBeat Vice city. Yeah
Why would you put DOS on the same system with Vista.....
+HappyBeezerStudios why would I have Vista when I can have XP or DOS?
super cool video
thanks for the video
Hey man i don't won't not to praise you or anything,but i don't know what is wrong with your bootable floopy disc that you have on ms-dos 7.10,couse to not have the windows 98 splash screen,on my computer doesn't require youre msdos.sys file additional commands,commands like [options] don't require those comands like.The only command you must have in msdos.sys file is ; united with any text,for example ;w98ebd,and that's it all man...
why is this showing on my recommed?
Because Google knew you would click on it and comment? :D No idea man.
EDIT: I got it! I decided to follow the video extremely literally and install DOS 6.22 on the card first. I’m not sure if having dos on there helped or that EZ-BIOS (from ez drive) survived the partition and format did it but it worked:)
Hmm I’m formatting C: with the /s switch but it’s booting to a blank screen with blinking cursor... it’s not saying “no OS installed” but it’s also not loading DOS. I’m using a Gotek so I had to copy the boot disk contents to it but I made sure to include and un-hide the hidden files. Has this happened to anyone? Would anyone be willing to help with advice or copy and paste the files in the no ram boot disk so I can check I have everything? Thank you!!
You can also change the Logo.sys with the Windows 98 Splash screen for the MSDOS 7 Splash screen. If you want, I can email it to you
That's the thing, when you create boot drive from a boot floppy, there is no LOGO.SYS. It's quite interesting how it works, the steps are a bit different compared to having installed Windows 98 from CD.
Oh! Didn't know about that. I've used this method before to install MSDOS and if you copy another LOGO.SYS it shows the newly copied file. But that's only aestetics. MSDOS 7.1 also has native support for LFN, which is great.
Great video as usual.
Thank you :)
Never believed that this tutorial actually existed.
Lol, it id long ago... Just never in video form
Wo ist meine "any key" Taste? :D
Die habe ich damals auch gesucht.
wow admin your are youtuber in here ('3')/
Recently set up a Pentium 4 with Windows 98SE and configured it to boot into Dos 7.1 and Windows independently. I wanted to come up with a text-mode full screen intro logo and came up with the logo from here: www.reddit.com/r/DOS/comments/7z1csd/msdos_full_screen_boot_logo_text_mode/ Thought you might find it interesting, your videos really inspired me to see how well I could turn this machine into a viable DOS and Windows 98 gaming machine.
Fat32 can support of up tp 32GB max. NTFS can support up to 2 TB.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table
Yea I wouldn't go by wikipedia here. 120 GB is more or less the limit for Windows 98 and I've used such drives with FAT32 many times.
the 32gb limit is imposed by Windows, if you format your drive with another software you'll be able to get the 137gb limit
No. Windows will not recognise it. (Or was I wrong?)
And what software are you talking about?
Windows will recognize it, it just doesn't format them in that size to promote the NTFS file system, you can use partition magic, gparted on Linux, pretty much every partition manager but Windows will do the job, I even remember that somebody I knew had a 2TB hard drive formatted on Fat32, how he passed the limit I don't know, he expained but I don't quite remember, what I can tell you is that it's posible to format them up to 137gb drives, and Windows will read them.
Thanks!
that is a Terminal Operating System his real name is Terminal *Version*
Awsome :D
Cheers :)
I didn´t know MS-DOS 7.1 was official... I thought it was a hack xD
Haha, yea it's part of Windows 98. But there never was a MS-DOS 7.1 in the sense of going to a store and buying it. So this IS basically a hack to be honest.
win98 SE have version 7 :) I know all screem 6.22 is best dos...
SOLVED
The version of the boot disc image that had missing files, creates a ramdrive (ussually next one after cd-rom)
with the files I didn't find.
As easy as change to the ramdrive letter (d: or e:) and copy again all the files needed to "C:\DOS"
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There's something I don't get.
The win98 floppy image used to install ms-dos 7.1 is a custom image?
The floppy image I download from the links don't have mscdex, edit, attrib... or do Phil copy the contents over a base 6.22 hd installation?
Yes it does, but you got to boot from it to see them.
What am I doing wrong?
The downloaded win98se disk image content is this:
( I boot from it) but I don't see the files mscdex, edit, attrib.
ASPI2DOS.SYS 35.330 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
ASPI4DOS.SYS 14.386 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
ASPI8DOS.SYS 37.564 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
ASPI8U2.SYS 40.792 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
ASPICD.SYS 29.620 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
AUTOEXEC.BAT 1.129 Archivo por lotes de Windows 05/05/1999 22:22:00
BTCDROM.SYS 21.971 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
BTDOSM.SYS 30.955 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
COMMAND.COM 96.306 Aplicación MS-DOS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
CONFIG.SYS 825 Archivo SYS 07/04/2018 17:25:56
COUNTRY.SYS 30.742 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
DISPLAY.SYS 17.239 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
DRVSPACE.BIN 69.143 Archivo BIN 05/05/1999 22:22:00
EBD.CAB 275.718 Archivo WinRAR 05/05/1999 22:22:00
EBD.SYS 0 Archivo SYS 07/04/2018 17:26:00
EGA.CPI 58.870 Archivo CPI 05/05/1999 22:22:00
EXTRACT.EXE 93.242 Aplicación 05/05/1999 22:22:00
FDISK.EXE 64.956 Aplicación 05/05/1999 22:22:00
FINDRAMD.EXE 6.855 Aplicación 05/05/1999 22:22:00
FLASHPT.SYS 64.425 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
HIMEM.SYS 33.351 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
IO.SYS 222.390 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
KEYB.COM 20.183 Aplicación MS-DOS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
KEYBOARD.SYS 34.566 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
LEAME.TXT 17.028 Documento de texto 05/05/1999 22:22:00
MODE.COM 29.895 Aplicación MS-DOS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
MSDOS.SYS 9 Archivo SYS 07/04/2018 17:26:00
OAKCDROM.SYS 41.302 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
RAMDRIVE.SYS 12.807 Archivo SYS 05/05/1999 22:22:00
SETRAMD.BAT 1.430 Archivo por lotes de Windows 05/05/1999 22:22:00
What I'm doing wrong ???
Thankyou
Phil
Did you boot from it?
Have you checked all the drives? AFAIK this boot disk creates a RAM Drive and unpacks files. There are two versions of this bootdisk, one with RAM Drive, the other one without.
SOLVED.
Was the windows 98 se floppy image used.
See first post of the thread.
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first?
You've put a DOS machine into that shiny black case?
How lame.