I wish Toronto would build some tram-train routes to provide local service for communities that are near railroads but don't get much benefit from the commuter services.
What routes will the new Class 398 Citylink Tram-trains will operate on. Obviously serving Cardiff, Newport and South Wales. Perhaps Transport for Wales should order more new trains to operate on the North Wales Coast Line, Mid Wales Line and other lines in Wales. And new trains to replace the older trains that are to be moved for scrap as they are over 30-40 years old. Nice to see some massive changes to the railways in Wales.
The changes we have seen in West Wales is a forced changed at Carmarthen, which is fine until a late running TfW service is signalled across the path of the onward connecting TfW service which then departs while we are changing platform. Not good enough TfW. We are sick of getting a third rate service in West Wales. Promises of " jam tomorrow" does not compensate for the years of neglect and farce.
So even though these tram trains are designed to run on rail tracks and tram tracks (have I got that right?) does it mean we’re going to get any of these actually running on tram tracks like in Nottingham and some other UK cities, or they will be just confined to rail tracks between railway stations?
This is a tramway, not a train. Similar route lenghts are in Manchester, Nottingham or Blackpool. There ride can take up to 1 hour on full lenght of route, and no toilets there as well. Only difference is - this one in Wales can use rail tracks.
Oh! Good luck with the toilet false claim. (Convenient for you to say that, but not for your passengers!!) So that rules out a lot of over 65's using your service, doesn't it? And by the way, they are not trams if they don't travel, substantially, on the streets. Otherwise they are just sub standard trains. Pip Pip.
Over 65s manage to drive cars and use buses that don't have toilets on board so I think this is mostly a non issue and just a talking point for people who love to complain about anything and everything. If they had toilets on board they'd instead moan about them being smelly, out of service or taking up too much space where there could be seats.
@@mattsmith517 I said a lot of, not all of. And I don't complain "about anything and everything". Enjoy your trams to Merthyr when they stink of piss on Saturday nights. Pip Pip.
The Cardiff tram trains, class 398 are based on the Stadler (formerly Vossloh) Citylink platform, while the Merseyrail class 777s are based on the Stadler Metro platform. The Sheffield Super tram (class 399) is also based on the Citylink platform. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadler_Citylink
@@memediatekYes indeed - this type of vehicle allows to go into public space without "special" segregation. Can run on tight curves and steep hills. So it is a basically a tram with "train control equipment" like AWS in UK. And this is why toilets are not included as well. Doors not must be on high level. Can be at ground level like Sheffield's Tram-Train. For comparsion: Normal train tracks must be protected from peds/cars for safety reason.
You've definitely improved lots. But not the 197's for me. They have so much bad ride quality when I rode one of them before from Shrewsbury to Hereford
@@MikeWillSee you’re probably using mono audio coming from either the left or right only on your pc. Do a “stereo speaker test” on your pc and you’ll probably only hear left/right.
my left ear enjoyed this
Thought my headphones were broken lol
I wish Toronto would build some tram-train routes to provide local service for communities that are near railroads but don't get much benefit from the commuter services.
They look like a 3-car version of the 2-car Hannover TW3000 trams
Yes! I’m from Hannover in Cardiff and they look similar!
So exited for this! The trains look perfect for the lines, and are a huge upgrade from the trains currently found in wales. KEEP IT UP TFW!
Do you happen to know where this tram train depot is? I'd like to follow the progress
Taff's Well, just North of Cardiff. Taff's Well station is next to the depot. @@peterpowis4145
these seem cool, though ill probably never use them, so im just waiting for the 231s to go onto the Cheltenham Spa services, which ill sometimes use
Where are the street-running sections for these trams going to be?
On the Butetown Line I think
None at moment
Callaghan Square, Cardiff. Phase one on Cardiff Crossrail.
This is the valleys lol you’ll be far more than 20 min away from a working toilet after the locals youths have said hello
These are great in germany, great in England, and now will be great in wales
What routes will the new Class 398 Citylink Tram-trains will operate on. Obviously serving Cardiff, Newport and South Wales. Perhaps Transport for Wales should order more new trains to operate on the North Wales Coast Line, Mid Wales Line and other lines in Wales.
And new trains to replace the older trains that are to be moved for scrap as they are over 30-40 years old. Nice to see some massive changes to the railways in Wales.
Hi, they will operate on the Core Valley lines from Aberdare, Merthyr Tydfil and Treherbert to Cardiff.
The changes we have seen in West Wales is a forced changed at Carmarthen, which is fine until a late running TfW service is signalled across the path of the onward connecting TfW service which then departs while we are changing platform. Not good enough TfW. We are sick of getting a third rate service in West Wales. Promises of " jam tomorrow" does not compensate for the years of neglect and farce.
They look better than the 399s we have in Sheffield.
Would be good to see some in the Torbay area instead of 40 year old GWR 150s
Amazing you had to include subtitles for the south Wales accent 😂
So very different a world away from the old valleys 116 units that roamed the same rails for years
You’ll be no more than 20 minutes from a toilet at a station…that will inevitably be closed
I believe TFW and ScotRail are excluded from the governments nasty plan to rid all station facilities.
Butttt you make a valid point.
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The only stations with a toilet on the Merthyr to Cardiff route will be Pontypridd 30mins each way so where do they get 20mins from?
Pretty sure Radyr and Abercynon are getting toilets too.
Why have they got so few doors? This seems more suitable for a regional service than for a local service.
Easy clean traveling latrines , with cement seats
guessing you bought the 398's with hitatchi seats?
We will be having brand new TFW trams until our class 150 will be leaving
how come a commuter train has the same seats as the ones on the 197’s which are mean to be our regional express trains?
Why is there a grey front on one of the trains instead of the yellow, I was passing the depot yesterday
yellow front ends are not legally required anymore if the headlights are modern and visible enough.
It's just unwrapped, straight from where it was fabricated. They'll put yellow foil on it when it needs to go on a train.
@@MrAronymous k thanks 👍🏻
So even though these tram trains are designed to run on rail tracks and tram tracks (have I got that right?) does it mean we’re going to get any of these actually running on tram tracks like in Nottingham and some other UK cities, or they will be just confined to rail tracks between railway stations?
certain lines will have street running sections
Only sound in one ear :(
how many stations have toilets? ( very very few ) Isn't it just an excuse to fit more seats in ?
neither does most of tube station and London is massive
This is a tramway, not a train. Similar route lenghts are in Manchester, Nottingham or Blackpool.
There ride can take up to 1 hour on full lenght of route, and no toilets there as well.
Only difference is - this one in Wales can use rail tracks.
Oh! Good luck with the toilet false claim. (Convenient for you to say that, but not for your passengers!!) So that rules out a lot of over 65's using your service, doesn't it? And by the way, they are not trams if they don't travel, substantially, on the streets. Otherwise they are just sub standard trains. Pip Pip.
Over 65s manage to drive cars and use buses that don't have toilets on board so I think this is mostly a non issue and just a talking point for people who love to complain about anything and everything. If they had toilets on board they'd instead moan about them being smelly, out of service or taking up too much space where there could be seats.
@@mattsmith517 I said a lot of, not all of. And I don't complain "about anything and everything". Enjoy your trams to Merthyr when they stink of piss on Saturday nights. Pip Pip.
@@grangetowncardiff6935 The 150s smell like that now. And I didn't say you liked complaining but given you took offence to it I suspect you do.
@@mattsmith517 Well you are wrong. Pip Pip.
What's the chances of the Valleys Lines not getting these until last.....
seats kinda look like LNER azuma ones
The difference is that these are for short journeys, so I guess those seats are kind of OK for the job they're doing
Looks very like the new Merseyrail trains, are they the same / related?
They are made by the same company (stadler) but i couldnt find info on weather they are the same stadler metro family. I would assume they are tho
The Cardiff tram trains, class 398 are based on the Stadler (formerly Vossloh) Citylink platform, while the Merseyrail class 777s are based on the Stadler Metro platform.
The Sheffield Super tram (class 399) is also based on the Citylink platform.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadler_Citylink
So the short answer is no, the Class 398/399 and Class 777 are not related.
No, they're not... But yeah, same Stadler planning style...
I think that gwr should be used on the wcml who agrees?
TRAINS!!!
What- WHAT IS IT THEN??? A TRAM OR A TRAIN???
A tram they can stick on the mainlines to go further distances. Germany loves them in particular
Both. It can run on tram tracks but also run on heavy rail tracks
@@memediatekYes indeed - this type of vehicle allows to go into public space without "special" segregation.
Can run on tight curves and steep hills.
So it is a basically a tram with "train control equipment" like AWS in UK.
And this is why toilets are not included as well.
Doors not must be on high level. Can be at ground level like Sheffield's Tram-Train.
For comparsion: Normal train tracks must be protected from peds/cars for safety reason.
You've definitely improved lots. But not the 197's for me. They have so much bad ride quality when I rode one of them before from Shrewsbury to Hereford
How come there's no audio?
Turn up your volume.
@@aoxby8037oh yeah it seems to be working now. I had it on max but that was on my PC, it seems to work better on my phone though
Thanks again
@@MikeWillSee you’re probably using mono audio coming from either the left or right only on your pc. Do a “stereo speaker test” on your pc and you’ll probably only hear left/right.
Why am i watching this? Im australian. Its midnight right now. Never even been to wales.
They remind me of Marge Simpson when you see them front on
Please don't tell me those yellow fronts are permanent??
"Tram-Train" = "Railbus 2.0"
Trains are shit where i am in wales. Dirty and always delayed. Oh! And well over priced too.
A two car 150 is longer than the 3 CAR 398!!! Not exactly progress!
The extremely low number of visits to the Welsh language version of this video rather speaks for itself I think...
Can't be no worse than the 197s. Really bad ride quality they are you can feel every bump and grind from the trackwork
Egad thats horrid
😂 Embarrassing
“Better for the environment”. So? Stop with this woke bull
@GLovesTrains