Just some additional notes on Storage Spaces: I just made one of these pools and didn't realize that it uses multiple disks in a Simple mode like RAID 0 and the data is striped across each drive like RAID 3; the new virtual drive is a Basic Disk. If I add a hard drive, then Storage Spaces will Optimize the striping across the disks again. Storage Spaces also applies a load balancing policy over the drives and uses better drive optimization. If the pool has an issue, then it shows which drive has the issue. When Storage Spaces create the pool, the volumes do not show up in Disk Management anymore. If you create a Spanned mode in Disk Management (RAID 0), then the disks become Dynamic, but I don't think the data stripes across each disk. If the first drive is full, then it overflows to the next, so you are not getting any benefit of using multiple drives. If the Dynamic array fails or if I unplug one hard drive, then all data is lost.
@@11folders Raid 10 is uncommon and sometimes is mistaken for 0+1. Storage Spaces in a way acts like a RAID 0+1 because it stripes across mirrored pairs. You can choose not to stripe the data. So anything except Simple because it has no resiliency.
Looks like a good feature, saving to specific locations and using multiple drives to backup. I feel it would be great if they could save a base-image of the os and link to synced backup data which was ready to re-integrate automatically. Backing up of applicaitons with all of the settings was a thing in the past.
Can anyone reply back as to if you had to restore data and how did it go? So with this, you don't need to purchase any professional software, like Acronis True Image, etc..? And this seems to act like a RAID 0? You could setup some old, slow HDD as a storage space and write across all at the same time to increase speed?
I use windows 10 with my Mac 🖥 on boot camp can I use an SD Card as a external drive? It didn’t recognize a flash stick but did recognize my 1tb external Stargate Drive. I would like to use a sd card because I don’t want nothing protruding from the side I
IIRC, win10 was release by mid 2015 and by the release of this "how to..." vid there are tons of other tutorials on YT (include those from third world countries!) How about real world scenario not just "next, next, apply, OK.. Done". How about mixture of HDD's and SSD's? Tiered, columns, cache, write back cache?
I love this video thanks for making i and I think this is exactly what i am needing to do, I have some questions and need advice...Help but I am not sure if you have another forum to do this with. can apps/ programs already installed on the c drive be moved to the new drive? and say a program saves files to my docs and I move my docs to the new drive, when i open the program will i have to repoint files to the program? I would like to keep my c: just for windows and everything other on another drive. also doing this will i get my lost speed back because im doing this?
When I took different sized drives I get errors that some drives (2 equal sized drives) couldn't be added to pool. If I change out one of the drives, the previous drives would not work but the new one couldn't be added.
My twin SATA spinning WD Black 5400 RPM laptop drives would NOT work on creating a storage space, first step always errored out. But, upon disabling the driver on each drive with device mngr, reboot, re-enable driver after bootup...no issue! (CrystalDiskMark sequential reads/writes only about a moderate 150-160 MB/sec each way with a 'no resoliency'/stripe across the two drives, but, at least it is not pathetically slow for a Windows software RAID 0..)
This is more for your data/documents/music/movies to be protected from loss. You can always install a fresh copy of Windows and then add back the data after its fixed. Hence why he suggested NOT saving data on the C drive in case of failure and instread saving data on a separate partiion or storage space or external drive to separate the OS system from the data
@@sjsphotog How does it look to add a previously created storage pool? The so-called "knowledge" of the storage pool would reside on the operating system drive, would it not? Basically, I guess I'm still trying to better comprehend how adding the previously created storage pool to a clean installation of windows works.
@@macd7743 no, the information about the storage pool are stored on the pool itself. similar to when you create a dynamic volume spanning multiple disks in the "old" windows disc management utility, the pool will just show up when you connect the drives to a new computer or re-install the OS. its just another way of software raid. however, nothing is 100% safe. for example, if you connect the drives to an older build of windows you might run into troubles. always do backups.
There would not be any problem and I don't see why CBT nuggets would suggest this. Maximum partition size for both ReFS and NTFS are billions of terabytes. Literally billions of terabytes. MBR has a address limit of 2TB's but GPT is the new standard + this isn't even a boot drive; which would be the only reason to use MBR. There might be another reason like Anthony didn't wanna go in and convert the partition to GPT if MBR is the standard it is created with by default
Just an fyi, I just upgraded a Home to Pro with a key from urcdkey.com for $17. Everything seems to be good so far. It might take a few minutes for the key to be activated since it failed the first time I tried activating, but then worked fine a few minutes later. I heard the site was a reputable place to get a key and finally tried. I wanted the RDP option only available in Pro but there's a few other small differences.
Yes. This technology was designed for Windows server but has made it's way to windows 7 and was then evolved to have RAID functionality in later editions of windows. It is a high performance software raid that looks a bit more like ZFS storage pools than traditional "hardaware RAID"
Yer this is the first thing that I thought of when I seen storage spaces. It does cloning right.. so I want to protect my C: and then I started googling and nothing was coming up for the operating system drive. I am guessing windows can't protect itself with storage spaces ;c(
Just like Ev3rM0r3 says, there would not be any problem and I don't see why CBT nuggets would suggest this. Maximum partition size for both ReFS and NTFS are billions of terabytes. Literally billions of terabytes. MBR has a address limit of 2TB's but GPT is the new standard + this isn't even a boot drive; which would be the only reason to use MBR. There might be another reason like Anthony didn't wanna go in and convert the partition to GPT if MBR is the standard it is created with by default
Just some additional notes on Storage Spaces: I just made one of these pools and didn't realize that it uses multiple disks in a Simple mode like RAID 0 and the data is striped across each drive like RAID 3; the new virtual drive is a Basic Disk. If I add a hard drive, then Storage Spaces will Optimize the striping across the disks again. Storage Spaces also applies a load balancing policy over the drives and uses better drive optimization. If the pool has an issue, then it shows which drive has the issue. When Storage Spaces create the pool, the volumes do not show up in Disk Management anymore. If you create a Spanned mode in Disk Management (RAID 0), then the disks become Dynamic, but I don't think the data stripes across each disk. If the first drive is full, then it overflows to the next, so you are not getting any benefit of using multiple drives. If the Dynamic array fails or if I unplug one hard drive, then all data is lost.
What would be the best way to have a configuration similar to RAID 10?
@@11folders Raid 10 is uncommon and sometimes is mistaken for 0+1. Storage Spaces in a way acts like a RAID 0+1 because it stripes across mirrored pairs. You can choose not to stripe the data. So anything except Simple because it has no resiliency.
Erick Smith Thanks for clarifying.
@@11folders And just to add, ReFS is not available on Windows 10 Home. Pro and above.
@@MajinErick Apparently it's only Pro Enterprise and above, not the regular pro anymore.
Looks like a good feature, saving to specific locations and using multiple drives to backup. I feel it would be great if they could save a base-image of the os and link to synced backup data which was ready to re-integrate automatically. Backing up of applicaitons with all of the settings was a thing in the past.
Thank you, but when one drive is disconnected with the computer, what happens? Does the drive work with incomplete data or just fail
Depends on how much resiliency you have configured.
Can anyone reply back as to if you had to restore data and how did it go? So with this, you don't need to purchase any professional software, like Acronis True Image, etc..? And this seems to act like a RAID 0? You could setup some old, slow HDD as a storage space and write across all at the same time to increase speed?
Lovely video
whenever i try to do that or make a new one it keeps saying to close all programs when i have only the one tab or program up and i need help pls
I use windows 10 with my Mac 🖥 on boot camp can I use an SD Card as a external drive? It didn’t recognize a flash stick but did recognize my 1tb external Stargate Drive. I would like to use a sd card because I don’t want nothing protruding from the side I
Thank you very much, you explained it very clearly!
IIRC, win10 was release by mid 2015 and by the release of this "how to..." vid there are tons of other tutorials on YT (include those from third world countries!)
How about real world scenario not just "next, next, apply, OK.. Done". How about mixture of HDD's and SSD's?
Tiered, columns, cache, write back cache?
I love this video thanks for making i and I think this is exactly what i am needing to do, I have some questions and need advice...Help but I am not sure if you have another forum to do this with. can apps/ programs already installed on the c drive be moved to the new drive? and say a program saves files to my docs and I move my docs to the new drive, when i open the program will i have to repoint files to the program? I would like to keep my c: just for windows and everything other on another drive. also doing this will i get my lost speed back because im doing this?
This is Awesome
When I took different sized drives I get errors that some drives (2 equal sized drives) couldn't be added to pool. If I change out one of the drives, the previous drives would not work but the new one couldn't be added.
what if we create a storage pool with a formatted drive, would i loose any files??
yes
My twin SATA spinning WD Black 5400 RPM laptop drives would NOT work on creating a storage space, first step always errored out. But, upon disabling the driver on each drive with device mngr, reboot, re-enable driver after bootup...no issue! (CrystalDiskMark sequential reads/writes only about a moderate 150-160 MB/sec each way with a 'no resoliency'/stripe across the two drives, but, at least it is not pathetically slow for a Windows software RAID 0..)
I'd move like Z:/Users/YourUsername/Documents/ (if you've multiple accounts setup on PC)
You just had to replace C: with Z:
Whaaaaaaat! I am about to set this up that is so convenient
also, when i change it to put new "apps" (i'd assume that means programs) on the D drive, why'd my next install go to the fucking C drive?
Great for video editing
What would happen if Windows gets corrupted? Can a clean install view the Space as previously created?
This is more for your data/documents/music/movies to be protected from loss. You can always install a fresh copy of Windows and then add back the data after its fixed. Hence why he suggested NOT saving data on the C drive in case of failure and instread saving data on a separate partiion or storage space or external drive to separate the OS system from the data
@@sjsphotog Thank you!
@@sjsphotog How does it look to add a previously created storage pool? The so-called "knowledge" of the storage pool would reside on the operating system drive, would it not? Basically, I guess I'm still trying to better comprehend how adding the previously created storage pool to a clean installation of windows works.
@@macd7743 no, the information about the storage pool are stored on the pool itself. similar to when you create a dynamic volume spanning multiple disks in the "old" windows disc management utility, the pool will just show up when you connect the drives to a new computer or re-install the OS. its just another way of software raid.
however, nothing is 100% safe. for example, if you connect the drives to an older build of windows you might run into troubles. always do backups.
Great!
Can I still use raid1 on, say, a Dell R610?
There would not be any problem and I don't see why CBT nuggets would suggest this. Maximum partition size for both ReFS and NTFS are billions of terabytes. Literally billions of terabytes. MBR has a address limit of 2TB's but GPT is the new standard + this isn't even a boot drive; which would be the only reason to use MBR. There might be another reason like Anthony didn't wanna go in and convert the partition to GPT if MBR is the standard it is created with by default
Too bad the resilient format doesn't work anymore through storage spaces.
Is it fair to say Storage Spaces is a very simplified way of using RAID?
It is RAID, without simplification.
It's better than RAID since RAID is not so flexible. StorageSpaces is more like a JBOD with RAID functionalities.
@4:32 "I think that Windows 10 would have a little bit a problem addressing 12 terabytes..."
Why?
Does this only work on Windows 10 Pro? I cant get it to work on my Home Edition.
Just an fyi, I just upgraded a Home to Pro with a key from urcdkey.com for $17. Everything seems to be good so far. It might take a few minutes for the key to be activated since it failed the first time I tried activating, but then worked fine a few minutes later. I heard the site was a reputable place to get a key and finally tried. I wanted the RDP option only available in Pro but there's a few other small differences.
So the idea of Storage Spaces is actually what RAID means for normal user?
Yes. This technology was designed for Windows server but has made it's way to windows 7 and was then evolved to have RAID functionality in later editions of windows. It is a high performance software raid that looks a bit more like ZFS storage pools than traditional "hardaware RAID"
@@erikg007 "*high performance* software raid" LOL! :)
@@mdd1963 HiGh PeRfOrmAnCe* ;)
@@kbng02 the 30-33 MB/sec transfers in a single parity RAID (RAID 5) are awe-inspiring!
@@mdd1963 Hell yeah! IDE drives FTW!
why can't i create a storage pool with my goddamn C drive?
Yer this is the first thing that I thought of when I seen storage spaces. It does cloning right.. so I want to protect my C: and then I started googling and nothing was coming up for the operating system drive. I am guessing windows can't protect itself with storage spaces ;c(
@shylimelight . You'd have to destroy the data to save it... So. No it wouldn't work. You should be using backup instead or a hardware raid.
2.5 minutes in a 6 minute video talking about things other than storage spaces.......
Yeah...Windows and ANY other OS would have a problem with 12 TB!!
Explain better people!
No it wouldn't actually. That's what GPT is for. Allows to handle partitions larger then 2TB just fine.
Just like Ev3rM0r3 says, there would not be any problem and I don't see why CBT nuggets would suggest this. Maximum partition size for both ReFS and NTFS are billions of terabytes. Literally billions of terabytes. MBR has a address limit of 2TB's but GPT is the new standard + this isn't even a boot drive; which would be the only reason to use MBR. There might be another reason like Anthony didn't wanna go in and convert the partition to GPT if MBR is the standard it is created with by default
when I change where new storage is saved it still trys to save it to my full one …..
Same