Phantom and Bamboo are allelic,same BEL complex that’s why you can’t produce a normal morph for the minimum bec it acts like super,that also explains the maximum 9 combo genes
Are bamboo and phantom allelic? That would explain why they aren't showing up. If the only single gene combo you can produce is bamboo or phantom, the calculator isn't broken.
The bamboo and the Phantom are allelic which is why you only see 2 single gene animals . every single animal will have either phantom or bamboo in it so you only have the possibility of 2 1 gene animals. No normals. And 9 max gene out of 10.
@@ruthless9609 not with dominate and codominant genes. Bamboo is a codom and so is phantom. Complete codoms are usually called supers and are visually different from incomplete codoms. Doms can be heterozygous (1 gene present) or homozygous (2 genes present) but it doesnt influence the pattern. Pinstripe versus Super Pinstripe is an example. Recessive genes are different. They can be heterozygous or homozygous. An example of a recessive is Piebald. The heterozygous version will be nonvisual bar some possible markers: dragged pattern toward the tail, "railroad tracks" on the belly, and a connected dorsal stripe toward the tail of the snake, etc. Those are only indicators if pied was present in the parents. In the case of a homozygous pied animal, you get the classic Piebald. I hope that helped and I didnt come off as a douche canoe. Also, thats my understanding of how it works and if I am wrong in any way, I wish to be corrected.
I am interested in and plan to breed ball pythons in the future and I was planning on buying both a Female and Male Yellow Belly Albino Het Pied from someone but he told me that you shouldn't breed an albino to an albino because even though it works out fine most of the time, sometimes the offspring can be "weaker." I asked what he meant by that and if he had a source for it (because I can't find anything on this anywhere!) but he didn't really help clarify or provide a source, he just said experienced breeders know this and new breeders might not. So, is this true? Is it possible breeding an albino to an albino can result in some offspring that maybe are more prone to health issues or have a weaker immune system or something? Any insight on this would be really helpful!
I'm considering getting into the breeding snakes business and your channel is helping a lot, thank you! Just out of curiosity, is there a benefit to not having a lay box? You seem to have great success. Thanks again!!!
I've always wondered if the Storm Trooper was a double axanthic . . . Maybe they thought they had hets from the same line and it was actually 2 different hets that eventually got passed down the tree. Thats been my guess anyways. I enjoy all your videos! Thanks for keeping up with it. I learn so much 😊
It's recessive you wouldn't get a double visual you get double hets or something that's the best of both worlds and that would mean they were compatible but still recessive. Like the enhancer and desert ghost.
Im actually trying to expand on his project but of course he doesnt like fans. picked up a bunch of axanthics from all around but guess ill just be playing
@@ChrisHardwickanimaladventures I believe myself and anyone else who chimed in to point out the mistake was possibly missing your valid point about muddying the waters with too many genes. Thanks for more awesome content.
Awesome video one of my projects right now is to make a black axanthic vpi axanthic I'm hoping I should be able to tell the difference I think it's going to be an awesome animal
@@robertbailey4454 you know what they say you can want/wish in one hand and $h!t in the other and see which fills up first. The genetics just dont work that way
I believe with the toffee and candy they both work together to produce a visual snake. Just like toffee with albino and candy with albino one copy of each gene (het) give you a visual. I know morphmarket's calculator doesn't display the visual hets correctly. But yeah I believe if ya had a snake that is het toffee and het candy you'll get a visual. Also I know I saw a snake listed het vpi, tsk and mj axanthic. I couldn't find the ad again, I did find a guy that has a het albino, pied, vpi, tsk axanthic listed but the ad stated he didnt know which line of axanthic, that's why he listed it as double het axanthic. Possibly that's what the other ad was, the person just listed every type of axanthic cause they didnt know truly what was what... but if I recall the price was pretty high. Good video again Chris
Idk how much I agree with your inclusion of lavender albinos on this list. It depends on what you define a project as. If you're talking about working multiple genes into lavender, then I agree with you (unless of course you're going for dreamsicles), but stand-alone lavenders seem to do pretty well.
I just had my first (unexpected) clutch. I looked up diy incubator on TH-cam and came across one that i tried. Took an igloo cooler drill a couple of holes in top. Take an aquarium water heater and water circulation fan. Put water in bottom just enough to cover both water heater and fan. Then i put eggs in a shoe box tub with 2 holes on opposite side and a lid that is not air tight. I put dry substrate in shoe box to cradle eggs. When putting shoe box in the cooler i made a stand so the shoe box wasnt touching the water. Then once a wk i would pop open cooler wipe off condensation from shoe box lid and 60 days later i had 100% successful hatch.
Red axanthic and VPI axanthic could potentially be possible, due to the fact that red axanthics are an incomplete dominant, and the single gene visuals don't look all that similar. 🤔
really random question and potentially dumb as i am new-ish to ball pythons but why are super fire (black eye leucistics) so expensive? the look really cool but you can get a male and female fire for like $50 each and for example you could get a male and female pastel for $50 each and if you breed them and get a super pastel it cost what $80? but you breed the fires and get a leucistic and the cheapest you can find is a $300 male. I understand that they look alot cooler and are more desirable i guess but they are equally as easy to breed as any other gene so i dont understand why they cost so much. also same with super butter (BEL) butter is a bit more expensive about $100 per snake to breed but BEL cost up to $800 and again is it not just as easy to breed as any other co dom gene? When i said $100 per snake to breed i meant for just the actual single gene snake not the cost to actually breed it but thanks for explaining guys
I thought same but came to conclusion that they're in a high demand also say you do try to breed one the cost of heating and feeding for up to 3 years has to be accounted for not to mention the cleaning of 2 snakes then let's say you succeed and get 8 eggs maybe 1 or 2 will come out super if lucky maybe more if real lucky or even a chance of 0 now you have 10 snakes to house feed and clean clearly costing more then the few extra hundred bucks if you just bought a super in first place lol
Supply and demand is the route to all economics. Super pastels been around since the beginning and it's not that impressive. Thus driving down the need and driving up supply thus we get an inexpensive product. Other more desirable genes like lets use the super sulfur, need goes up supply goes down and in turn drives up prices. This is the same for single genes too. It might only be one gene but when a new gene comes up prices are crazy... ex: zuwadi is pretty new and single geners are going for $2000-4000. Hopefully this crash course in economics helps out
In reality, these snakes should be gene sequenced to instantly prove genes and it would make it far easier to keep track of. Especially with more expensive snakes, people could make a genetic database, seems like it would be worth it for the large breeders with a lot of money.
you don't want to breed spiders at all you could bring two spiders with absolutely no head wobble and half of their babies might still need to be put down. it's really cruel to breed a species for their looks if it's sacrifices their quality of life. Please do not buy or breed spider ball pythons
I got a male vpi axanthic spider and normal female and calico female and pastal female. Planning to do a breeding project with them yes im doing spider gene's you can love me or hate me I really don't care. But I support the more positive then the people that are like ew you're a horrible person.
I feel like if someone wants to see what the double axanthic would look like (If not just like a regular axanthic) I think the snakes produced on the way would all basically be “pet quality”
Have a nice lesser yb pastel get clown and a male clown pastel lesser and put it in calculate and would get 70% white snakes BELs and Ivory's and wouldn't know any other genes in any to hold them back or sell them so I think I'm going to put her to something else.
@@danielpatton3317 I'm just starting so a bunch of white snakes would be ok just harder and you never know could get some nice stuff that's not white .
Phantom and Bamboo are allelic,same BEL complex that’s why you can’t produce a normal morph for the minimum bec it acts like super,that also explains the maximum 9 combo genes
3:55, can't be all single genes at the bottom of the badge because bamboo and phantom are allelic, so everything will have bamboo or phantom
Are bamboo and phantom allelic? That would explain why they aren't showing up. If the only single gene combo you can produce is bamboo or phantom, the calculator isn't broken.
Bamboo and Phantom are allelic. Will not produce normals. Either bamboo or Phantom
A single gene combo? Dont ya need more then one gene for a combo
The bamboo and the Phantom are allelic which is why you only see 2 single gene animals . every single animal will have either phantom or bamboo in it so you only have the possibility of 2 1 gene animals. No normals. And 9 max gene out of 10.
@@19cowgirl77 think BBM already said that a few hour before you. But yep ya both are correct and the calculator was too.
@@ruthless9609 not with dominate and codominant genes. Bamboo is a codom and so is phantom.
Complete codoms are usually called supers and are visually different from incomplete codoms.
Doms can be heterozygous (1 gene present) or homozygous (2 genes present) but it doesnt influence the pattern. Pinstripe versus Super Pinstripe is an example.
Recessive genes are different. They can be heterozygous or homozygous.
An example of a recessive is Piebald.
The heterozygous version will be nonvisual bar some possible markers: dragged pattern toward the tail, "railroad tracks" on the belly, and a connected dorsal stripe toward the tail of the snake, etc. Those are only indicators if pied was present in the parents.
In the case of a homozygous pied animal, you get the classic Piebald.
I hope that helped and I didnt come off as a douche canoe. Also, thats my understanding of how it works and if I am wrong in any way, I wish to be corrected.
I am interested in and plan to breed ball pythons in the future and I was planning on buying both a Female and Male Yellow Belly Albino Het Pied from someone but he told me that you shouldn't breed an albino to an albino because even though it works out fine most of the time, sometimes the offspring can be "weaker." I asked what he meant by that and if he had a source for it (because I can't find anything on this anywhere!) but he didn't really help clarify or provide a source, he just said experienced breeders know this and new breeders might not. So, is this true? Is it possible breeding an albino to an albino can result in some offspring that maybe are more prone to health issues or have a weaker immune system or something? Any insight on this would be really helpful!
I'm working on producing my panda pies and lighting pies. Then breading those two together and then again to get visuals.
I'm considering getting into the breeding snakes business and your channel is helping a lot, thank you! Just out of curiosity, is there a benefit to not having a lay box? You seem to have great success. Thanks again!!!
I've always wondered if the Storm Trooper was a double axanthic . . . Maybe they thought they had hets from the same line and it was actually 2 different hets that eventually got passed down the tree. Thats been my guess anyways. I enjoy all your videos! Thanks for keeping up with it. I learn so much 😊
Hello welcome back I hope you are ok I’m sorry for your loss
I'll be finding about VPI axanthic crossed with HRA.
It's recessive you wouldn't get a double visual you get double hets or something that's the best of both worlds and that would mean they were compatible but still recessive. Like the enhancer and desert ghost.
Jolliff began breeding his Axanthic with VPI line Axanthic 20 years ago sir.
Im actually trying to expand on his project but of course he doesnt like fans. picked up a bunch of axanthics from all around but guess ill just be playing
@@Ascensionadventures I have a killer female Axanthic Tiger possible Het ALbino for sale right now.
I have a Sulfur fire with a full dorsal??? How do I know if its not a super???
lmao i guess after reading everyone posted what i thought as well on the morph calc.. lmao.. another great vid chris.. always learning from you.. thx
Yea, I missed the allelic Bamboo Phantom combo, such a rookie mistake LOL
@@ChrisHardwickanimaladventures I believe myself and anyone else who chimed in to point out the mistake was possibly missing your valid point about muddying the waters with too many genes. Thanks for more awesome content.
Great video . Those first snakes though the black/grey/silver are gorgeous.
Look up the storm trooper
@@al3xdak1dd34 Thank you these snakes are gorgeous.
Awesome video one of my projects right now is to make a black axanthic vpi axanthic I'm hoping I should be able to tell the difference I think it's going to be an awesome animal
Do more live the week of it was awesome lol
It was awesome! But I think he's burned out... 12 hour streams will burn anyone out!
I wish there was a way to get a Butter or Bamboo with blue eyes.
Umm supers
@@ruthless9609 True, but I want a visual Butter or Bamboo with blue eyes.
@@robertbailey4454 you know what they say you can want/wish in one hand and $h!t in the other and see which fills up first. The genetics just dont work that way
@@ruthless9609 Yeah I already knew that. lol Hence the wishing part.
@@robertbailey4454 lmfao right back at ya... hence why I used that "WISH" phrase. I wish ya the best in wishing!
I believe with the toffee and candy they both work together to produce a visual snake. Just like toffee with albino and candy with albino one copy of each gene (het) give you a visual. I know morphmarket's calculator doesn't display the visual hets correctly. But yeah I believe if ya had a snake that is het toffee and het candy you'll get a visual. Also I know I saw a snake listed het vpi, tsk and mj axanthic. I couldn't find the ad again, I did find a guy that has a het albino, pied, vpi, tsk axanthic listed but the ad stated he didnt know which line of axanthic, that's why he listed it as double het axanthic. Possibly that's what the other ad was, the person just listed every type of axanthic cause they didnt know truly what was what... but if I recall the price was pretty high. Good video again Chris
Candy and Toffee are the same mutation, but different lines. So a Candy x Toffee looks like a Candy (or a Toffee lol).
Idk how much I agree with your inclusion of lavender albinos on this list. It depends on what you define a project as. If you're talking about working multiple genes into lavender, then I agree with you (unless of course you're going for dreamsicles), but stand-alone lavenders seem to do pretty well.
Hey chris, looking to start breeding ball pythons. Which incubator do you recommend or should I go diy cooler?
I just had my first (unexpected) clutch. I looked up diy incubator on TH-cam and came across one that i tried. Took an igloo cooler drill a couple of holes in top. Take an aquarium water heater and water circulation fan. Put water in bottom just enough to cover both water heater and fan. Then i put eggs in a shoe box tub with 2 holes on opposite side and a lid that is not air tight. I put dry substrate in shoe box to cradle eggs. When putting shoe box in the cooler i made a stand so the shoe box wasnt touching the water. Then once a wk i would pop open cooler wipe off condensation from shoe box lid and 60 days later i had 100% successful hatch.
I made mine from an old beverage cooler like Chris. It works great. Also the Hot Box incubator looks like a good brand. I hear good things about it
@@shannonbailey342 thanks!
@@aidenortega4737 your welcome. Hope it helps. Good luck with your breeding season. :)
I liked the Super Sulfur and the Super Fire .
The mon arch gene is compatible for the Bourgogne gene ( Bourgogne is proven for JPP ) french Breeder
Thanks for everything Chris! would love to chat some day dude!
Red axanthic and VPI axanthic could potentially be possible, due to the fact that red axanthics are an incomplete dominant, and the single gene visuals don't look all that similar. 🤔
I didn’t even think about the fact that a coral glow and banana would make a super form. What a hilarious frustrating predicament.
Its the same morph so its very easy to ID
really random question and potentially dumb as i am new-ish to ball pythons but why are super fire (black eye leucistics) so expensive? the look really cool but you can get a male and female fire for like $50 each and for example you could get a male and female pastel for $50 each and if you breed them and get a super pastel it cost what $80? but you breed the fires and get a leucistic and the cheapest you can find is a $300 male. I understand that they look alot cooler and are more desirable i guess but they are equally as easy to breed as any other gene so i dont understand why they cost so much. also same with super butter (BEL) butter is a bit more expensive about $100 per snake to breed but BEL cost up to $800 and again is it not just as easy to breed as any other co dom gene? When i said $100 per snake to breed i meant for just the actual single gene snake not the cost to actually breed it but thanks for explaining guys
I thought same but came to conclusion that they're in a high demand also say you do try to breed one the cost of heating and feeding for up to 3 years has to be accounted for not to mention the cleaning of 2 snakes then let's say you succeed and get 8 eggs maybe 1 or 2 will come out super if lucky maybe more if real lucky or even a chance of 0 now you have 10 snakes to house feed and clean clearly costing more then the few extra hundred bucks if you just bought a super in first place lol
Supply and demand is the route to all economics. Super pastels been around since the beginning and it's not that impressive. Thus driving down the need and driving up supply thus we get an inexpensive product. Other more desirable genes like lets use the super sulfur, need goes up supply goes down and in turn drives up prices. This is the same for single genes too. It might only be one gene but when a new gene comes up prices are crazy... ex: zuwadi is pretty new and single geners are going for $2000-4000. Hopefully this crash course in economics helps out
Different axanthic lines are not compatible
Why does the lavender albino's eyes turn black when they are older
? Black... um dark ruby?
In reality, these snakes should be gene sequenced to instantly prove genes and it would make it far easier to keep track of. Especially with more expensive snakes, people could make a genetic database, seems like it would be worth it for the large breeders with a lot of money.
I think itd be cool to see the eyes of a black eyed lucy albino, or blue eyed lucy albino feel it could look interesting
Bobby is getting so big!
you don't want to breed spiders at all you could bring two spiders with absolutely no head wobble and half of their babies might still need to be put down. it's really cruel to breed a species for their looks if it's sacrifices their quality of life. Please do not buy or breed spider ball pythons
Awesome video
Yes, but why avoid ultramel? You never said.
Has anyone attempted inducing parthenogenesis to produce female half-clones?
Why dont we talk about the full scaleless females not being fertile Hardwick?
I got a male vpi axanthic spider and normal female and calico female and pastal female. Planning to do a breeding project with them yes im doing spider gene's you can love me or hate me I really don't care. But I support the more positive then the people that are like ew you're a horrible person.
Sick to death of "WHAT IS IT?" and "probable_______" ads on Morph Market. 😡
Yeah, sometimes they’re pretty as pets but there’s been a ton of them
I feel like if someone wants to see what the double axanthic would look like (If not just like a regular axanthic) I think the snakes produced on the way would all basically be “pet quality”
Should be over 3000 combos shouldn’t there. 5 to the power of 5
Have a nice lesser yb pastel get clown and a male clown pastel lesser and put it in calculate and would get 70% white snakes BELs and Ivory's and wouldn't know any other genes in any to hold them back or sell them so I think I'm going to put her to something else.
Is the male yb? If not, you won't get ivories. Just bel+
@@danielpatton3317 yep missed that yb not pastel
@@danielpatton3317 I'm just starting so a bunch of white snakes would be ok just harder and you never know could get some nice stuff that's not white .
First for those that like that thing.
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