Compare: Breville Dose Control Pro and Smart Grinder Pro Coffee Grinders
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- Marc and Morgan from wholelattelove.com review and compare two coffee grinders from Breville: The Dose Control Pro and Smart Grinder Pro. Both are upgraded versions of previous models. Capable of grinding for espresso, drip, pour-over and press, these grinders offer design and performance at a value.
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Breville Dose Control Pro: www.wholelatte...
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These are great grinders for their prices. They beat any other in that price range because they have so many features only found in more expensive grinders.
Best review on TH-cam!! Super in depth but brief. I was trying to decide between the 2
What did you end up getting??? I think I'm going with the smart pro for the portafilter push to run feature.
Don't hold out on us Dave. Which one did you get bro?
This review helped me pick my grinder. I'd forgotten to say thank you! I am a proud owner of the Smart Grinder Pro and astoundingly happy with it. You cannot knock it for the money.
Hi L, Thanks for the comment! The SGP is a good value.
Marc
can you recommend the smart grinder pro for non pressurized basket espresso?
@@LasdilElizaga , I use this grinder Smart Grinder Pro daily for espresso in non pressurized baskets in different espresso machines and it works fine, more than enough for espresso shots.
hey, can you still say the same after three years? is it still working?
@@Mmarie1234561 Still going strong! Never had a single issue with this grinder, it's been totally bulletproof.
Hey guys, I just got the Smart Grinder Pro but I really love the simple aesthetic of the Dose Control Pro. Question. Do you think the hoppers are interchangeable? I ask because I purchased a single-dose hopper that was 3D printed from Amazon. Works very well with the Smart Grinder Pro but wondering if it would fit the Dose Control Pro. Let me know! thanks!
Hey drew, unfortunately I don't have a Dose Control grinder around to check the fit. I'd check with maker that 3D printed.
The Dose Control Pro is a good grinder but the impeller wears out because it is cheaply made. The impeller stopped pushing out coffee after a year of two or three double shots a day. So, I bought a 3D printed replacement impeller and put it in myself and it's been working great for over a year and hasn't worn down like the old.
Hi Sam, Thanks for the tip! I believe Breville has updated the impeller to more robust material in the Dose Control and Smart Grinder Pro.
@@Wholelattelovepage I would like to find out if Breville BG600SIL has actually upgraded the impeller with more durable impeller. A web site or picture to upgraded impeller would be nice. I was thinking of buying the Breville BG600SIL but now if the impeller wears out after the warranty expires.
@@Casuallz no they didn't. I think only on the smart pro and it's only metal over a still made of plastic impeller. If your willing to use unpressurized and not going crazy on the precision of the grind go for the Baratza Sette 30 a bit more expensive than the smart grinder pro but day and night in quality. You can always add micro adjustment kit later for 90$ more.
@@thesoundpurist Thanks for the response. I ended up buying a Baratza Encore because they stand behind their product and you can always get all the parts to rebuild it once the warranty expires. I'm going to stick with the Baratza brand an upgrade to one of the Sette models like you suggested.
@@Casuallz no prob! Yes Baratza are amazing with their support. Google Encore burr upgrade. I believe you can use the virtuoso burrs on it. Cheers
Im interested in this grinder for espresso and occasional french press. If i get this right, the only real difference with the pro is the LCD screen and dosing options right? Number of grind setting and quality is the same?
Hi VM, Yes, you are correct.
Are those models the same ones still available as of today? Maybe they’re too good an update has not been necessary.
Hi H, I believe there were slight modifications over the years.
You said be careful with dark espresso grind because of the oils. What do I need to avoid to do? Clean more often or don't grind for too long?
Hi a, Thanks for the question. Cleaning a bit more often will help. Duty cycle is probably ~10% meaning if you run it for 10 seconds it should rest for 100 seconds before using again. Run for a minute and it should rest for 10 minutes before next use.
Marc
Hi, great video thanks I have just ordered a Moccamster machine and the Breville smart grinder pro I hope I have made a good pair choice? and what setting for the Breville would you suggest?
Hey Morgan and Mark, great review as always. Thanks.
Is there a burr grinder for espresso shots only, I mean all great grinders what you showed, but what I simply need is one for my espresso machine, the Duo Temp Pro, I don’t need all hundreds of settings. Any recommendations? Thanks again!
Hi Photog, The Breville grinders are on the budget price side of espresso grinding. For low volume home use they will serve your needs and the Duo-Temp well. If you want to move up to a more ruggedly built espresso specialist, there's no substitute for a grinder with stepless grind size adjustment and larger burrs. This type of grinder will last for decades and produce a grind capable of serving higher-end machines should you upgrade. There are many options in that category. One of my favorites is the Ceado E5P: www.wholelattelove.com/ceado-e5p-electronic-coffee-grinder
I am going to buy a grinder and an espresso machine. I figured Sage BCG820 and Gaggia Classic would be a decent choice. What do you think? Thank you!
Hi mFCR, The Gaggia Classic Pro is IMO the best premium entry-level espresso machine. It is a true machine with commercial size/weight 58mm portafilter. The Sage/Breville Smart Grinder Pro can work. Be aware the grinder is more of an appliance grade product with a lot of plastic used in construction. Also, it tends to be a little clumpy at espresso grind size, slow in grinding compared to others and lacks super fine control of grind size. That said, it can get the job done but is a bit of a compromise. If you have the budget I'd have a look at machine grade grinders from Eureka or Bezzera. They have some lower cost options like Bezzera's BB005: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder or Eureka's Silenzio: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/eureka-mignon-silenzio-16cr-grinder-in-white
Hope that helps!
Marc
I love the details on your video. Let me ask you this, I want to know the advantages to have these grinders vs. Standard grinder comes with Breville Expresso machine? Are these worth paying $ 200 for them?
Hi ER, If you have a built in grinder in a Breville I do not think it's worth getting an additional Breville grinder. Burrs if not identical are very similar in both products.
Marc
Thank you for your honest opinion. I almost order one. Thanks again.
Hi, Thanks for your review! I have a question about the coffee-basket of Breville Precision Brewer. I saw in some videos that you can put it under the dose control Pro to grind and fill in directly to the coffee paper/basket. Can one do that with the Grinder Pro too? It looks a bit smaller...I would appreciate your feedback. Thanks!
Thanks for your review! Are these grinders good for Gaggia Classic? Thanks :)
Hi TS, You are welcome! That can work but definitely not my first choice. They are somewhat slow, produce a clumpy grind and lack super precise grind size adjustment which makes a big difference in potential espresso quality. Currently the most popular pairing with the Gaggia Classic is the Baratza Sette 270. It's fast (also louder), has very precise control of grind size, produces incredibly fluffy grind and has excellent dose to dose weight consistency based on timed grinding. Check it out here with customer reviews, videos and more: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-sette-270-conical-burr-grinder
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks so much Marc
Great video. What would you consider high volume grinding? I would grind daily for one person, thanks!
Hi MD, Thanks for the comment and question. You should be fine grinding daily for one person. High volume would be something like more than 10 grind cycles per day.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for your quick reply :) impressive! I am mainly interested in med to coarse for drip and cold brew. What is your recommend setting? I am a Breville fan & am really leaning towards this machine & your review helped a lot. Thanks again
What is de measurement of the grinder plates? 40 mm? 45mm or 50 mm?
Hi Bob, The Breville grinders use conical burrs that are ~40mm.
Marc
Hi, I just ordered the smart grinder pro. What grind setting would you recommend for pour over?
HI Matthew, Pour over typically uses a grind size similar to that of drip coffee. We'd start in the middle of the drip range on the display of the SGP. From there you can adjust based on taste and coffee used. Here's a video that gives visual reference of grind size for different brewing methods: th-cam.com/video/bgJ8E6e8rko/w-d-xo.html
Flavor wise, we typically use a slightly coarser grind for darker roasts. Bitter notes may indicate over-extraction so grind a little coarser. Sour notes may indicate under-extraction so grind a little finer. That's an oversimplification as variables like coffee dose, bean type, brew water temperature and brew time play a role as well. Hope that helps and enjoy your new grinder!
Breville & Sage - are they the same company?
Breville Smart Grinder Pro exist like Sage BCG820BSS
on market.
Hi N, 100%!
Yes. Sage is the brand name Breville uses in Europe, while it's still Breville just about everywhere else (Breville's "home" country is Australia). Some sort of old corporate naming rights issue - apparently there is or used to be a Breville brand in Europe that's from a different company.
@@mglenn7092
Thank you very much for detail answer.
What's the point of having a "freshness" seal on the hopper lid when air can just get in through the bottom where the grinder is?
Hi CC, Good question! It reduces air movement. In most use cases not much air is coming up from the grinder as partially ground coffee is there.
@@Wholelattelovepage ah ok, I was confused haha
Great overview. I have the Smart Grinder Pro and love it.
Hi KK, Thanks for the comment and sharing your love of the BSGP!
Marc
Just got one for my wife!
BTW, there isn't a non-pro version of the Dose Control. There is a non-pro Smart Grinder though.
+ascosta Thanks for the correction!
Hi, I just got my espresso machine by breville Bes870xl already with grinder, would are you thoughts? Should I buy the little model Bes840xl then buy the grinder apart? Thank you
Hi Mauro, Thanks for the question. Depending on what grinder you pair with a machine you can up the grind quality compared to the built in grinder.
Marc
If i grind the amount of beans for 5 double espressos (a day),will there be any problem if they are dark roasted?
+Alve Pant That should not be a problem at all!
what worried me was closing comment that if one grinds dark oily beans and does a lot of grinding, they*re in trouble. i have the breville 870cr with this grinder built-in and do an average of 7 double espressos daily....... is that considered alot?????
Hi Milo, Thanks for the question. I think you will be okay so long as not grinding for rapid fire back to back shots. Appliance grade grinders like the Brevilles typically have a 10% duty cycle rating. Meaning if you grind for 20 seconds you should let the grinder rest for 200 seconds before grinding again.
Marc
thanks a bunch ! I appreciate that you actually took the time to reply !@@Wholelattelovepage
Should I get the Smart Grinder Pro or the Virtuoso+ for pour overs?
Hi Jacky, Thanks for the question. I'd go with the Baratza Virtuoso+. Better build quality IMO. Faster grinding and excellent Breville support including a fixed price repair program should you ever need it. www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-virtuoso-coffee-grinder
Marc
I wouldn't trust baratza as far as I could throw it. Had the virtuoso - it destroyed itself while trying to grind coffee on the finest settings, and I am now looking for a different grinder. While I was trying to get a grind fine enough for turkish coffee, I'd expect the grinder to just not get fine enough results if it couldn't grind that fine, not destroy its own motor or coupling to burr trying. So, yeah - NOT impressed with baratza's durability.
I only drink coffee but like to switch beans depending on what Im feeling that day. How much grind retention does the pro have? I know the sette 30 is probably the better choice but the breville pro is cheaper and seems much quieter.
Hi brolly, thanks for the question. I have not measured the SGP for retention. Honestly most users of this level of grinder are not concerned about retention. I can say this, the path from the burrs of the SGP to delivery is short so retention should be relatively low. Also, burrs are smaller so not a lot left their either. I would keep this in mind. If grinding for regular drip coffee in larger amounts retention is not a huge concern. Depends on how much your grinding, but if doing pots at a time any retention would be a very small percentage of the amount ground. The Sette 30 is louder than the SGP but it's a heck of a lot faster. At drip sizes it grinds about 4g/sec. If retention is a concern the Sette can single dose and retention if you grind all the beans out is typically
@@Wholelattelovepage So which of those 2 grinders offer more consistent grinds? Which is better at repeatable dose amounts? Im still trying to fine tune the grams/water ratio but its 13g or so per cup. Thanks for the replies!
Hi b, The Brevilles have similar grind quality to each other. Real difference between the 2 grinders is in the controls and not the burrs. You might want to have a look at Bartaza's Virtuoso+ grinder. One of my favorites for brew grinding with pure time based grinding adjustable in 1/10th of a second intervals. Also has a burr designed specifically for brew grinding where the Brevilles use an all-purpose burr. www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-virtuoso-coffee-grinder
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks! I think Im leaning towards the sette 30 and purchasing the bg/s2 burr while still keeping my espresso options in the future. Good idea or better off buying the virtuoso+?
Can you clarify if both these models have the dreaded plastic impellers that push the coffee grinds towards the chute? There are numerous reports that the tips of this impeller get sanded down by fine espresso grinds, to the point of no longer being able to get the coffee out of the grinding chamber.
Hi DG, Current Smart Grinder Pros, model#: BCG820BSSXL have a metal impeller. Plastic may have been used in earlier non "Pro" models.
So by your omission, do I understand that the BCG600SIL still has a plastic impeller?
Mine does, and it's toast. There are 3rd party replacements though (3d printed), if you have bought one already
Will the outer Burr fit older machines?
Would you recommend the Breville Smart Grinder or the Baratza Sette 30 as an entry level espresso grinder?
Hi AR, Neither is perfect for espresso. The Breville is slow, has limited precision in grind size setting and tends to produce a clumpy grind at espresso grind sizes. The Sette 30 is fast and loud, produces a very fluffy grind but is limited in grind setting precision. If I only had those options I'd choose the Sette 30 for sure. Much better grind quality with no clumping. And, down the road you can upgrade the 30 with the grind adjustment mechanism of the 270.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Interesting to know the mechanism can be upgraded, thanks for the info.
How is the consistency of the grinds at the coarser end of things (like for French press) in the video it seems like it’s pretty uniform but just want to check because I am considering buying this unit primarily for use in my French press, thanks!
Hi j, Thanks for the question. It's fine for press!
Marc
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Does the grinds container and sealing lid from the pro model fit and compatible with the dose control? Have the dose control and looking for a good container to collect the grinds.
Hi Kitty, Thanks for the question. The Grinds container from the Smart Grinder Pro does not work with the Dose Control grinder. :(
So I’m am fairly new to espresso and bought an entry level machine ( mr coffee auto dual shot ) and want to get into grinding. At this price point , would I see any benefit from a nice grinder vs pre ground ? I am either going to get the dose pro or a nicer delonghi espresso machine ( no grinder) but not sure what the better move is. Thoughts ?
Gabe Sanchez Hi, thanks for the question. You will see some benefit going to fresh ground. But you will be limited by your machine. Dose control pro is a decent first grinder. Get the grinder and upgrade to a machine like the Gaggia Classic when you can.
Whole Latte Love Thank you for the advice ! Keep up the great content !
I am wondering between these two which grinds coarser for French Press? Looks like the Doser Pro is a bit coarser. Is this true?
Out of the box the Dose Control seems to grind a little coarser. As mentioned in the video the upper burr on the Smart Grinder has additional adjustments. Either grinder can be set to grind to a size larger than what would be typical for a french press.
+Whole Latte Love Thanks for your kind reply.
Hey , really hope my question is answered :) I currently have the Breville duo temp pro and I am looking for a grinder that goes well this it . I’ve tried the sunbeam grinder and it’s not great at all . Extractions never work and only drop like 2-3 drops . Also do you have any tips on how to achieve the best extraction . Thanks !!!
Hi Madison, Your question will be answered!
Grinder: The Breville Smart Grinder Pro is an option. It tends to produce a clumpy grind and is rather slow but can serve your Duo-Temp. Next step up in quality is the Baratza Vario but it's nearly double the price: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/all-grinders/products/baratza-vario-grinder-w-metal-portaholder
Advice: If extractions are slow that usually means your grind is too fine. Here's my video on how to dial-in grind size: th-cam.com/video/jOY7D02n4Cw/w-d-xo.html
Here's what I would do using your machine:
1. Use the larger single wall (non-pressurized) filter basket.
2. Fill the basket loosely with ground coffee and level off gently without compacting coffee.
3. Tamp coffee firmly and try an extraction. If too slow increase grind size and try again. If too fast decrease grind size and try again - this is the dialing-in process.
4. When dialing-in keep all variables other than grind size as consistent as possible. So use same dose of coffee, same pressure tamping, etc.
Beyond that use best practices like warming up your machine, keep the PF in group when not in use so it stays warm, etc.
Hope that helps!
Marc
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Greetings . May i know does the grinder on the left was similar to the BES870 build in grinder? or the external grinder is better than the build in grinder?
Hi GDD, I prefer an external grinder. If something goes wrong with a built in you may be left without a machine and a large repair!
Marc
Thank you !
For espresso only;
Dose controle pro vs baratza sette 30 ?
Hi Eric, Thanks for the question. Neither is a personal first choice for espresso. But if your expectations are not too high they are passable. If me, I'd go with the Sette 30. The DCP is slow and the grind is often clumpy at espresso sizes. The Sette 30 can be upgraded down the road with the burr adjustment mechanism of the Sette 270 for more precise control of grind size.
Marc
Why did you grind at 7 and not at 1 ?
Did this video about 7 years ago - I don't remember :)
Can the smart grinder make fine enough coffee for rocket espresso machines?
+AJ Jasper The smart grinder is passable for use with Rocket Espresso machines. Not exactly our first choice but you could get by with it. Some things about the Smart to keep in mind if pairing with a Rocket:
Rocket machines are considered to be at the "sexy" end of espresso machine design for their counter top appearance. So a flashy take on traditional espresso machines. They tend towards a pure appearance with no visible digital displays (removable on machines like R58/R60). The aesthetic of the Breville doesn't really compliment that. Also, the case of the Breville is predominantly plastic. Those are things that don't effect performance but some would say the design of the two clash a bit. Performance wise... most people going with a prosumer level machine would pair it with a more solid prosumer level grinder. The Breville has a rather narrow adjustment window in the espresso grind size range. If a problem one can generally get around that with dosage adjustments. On prosumer level grinders you will get larger burrs, more precise grind size adjustment, more powerful motor and durable metal case. We'd be a little concerned with the Breville getting heavy consistent use. It's more appliance like as opposed to prosumer level grinders designed/built to go for many years.
I have heard that Breville has upgraded their impellers from the plastic to metal. Is this true for both of these models?
Hi Kaleb, I can confirm the impeller in our currently shipping Breville Smart Grinder Pro's have a metal impeller. We no longer stock the Dose Control Pro. Hope that helps!
Marc
Whole Latte Love thank you! Hoping to get one within the next month or so
do the grinders have slow speed grind, i heard grinders with high speed grind will burn the beans
Marshall Mayes Hi thanks for the question. Overheating beans not an issue with these grinders.
Marc
What is better brevile smart pro or baratza sette 30 ?!
Hi 10, Thanks for the question. IMO Sette 30 is far better than the BSGP. Beautiful fluffy grind out of a Sette. The BSGP is slow and clumpy at espresso grind size.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage
Thank you so much 💞
What would you recommend between the 2? We normally weigh the beans we need and then grind. We are between these 2 we're just not sure if it's worth the extra $50 for the smart grinder.
Hi Jason, If you are doing espresso only and pre-weighing then the Dose Control should suit your needs. If you brew using other methods also then the Smart Grinder Pro is a good multipurpose grinder.
Whatever i grind the smart grinder pro in 2 shot always come out less ground coffee in 16.5s more like 1-5g need to grind repeatedly
Hi BP, Thanks for the comment. Yes, it's not perfect in the scaling up and down of weights.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage oh i see prefer which grinder could be easiest to grind
Other than the fact that the doe control has a smaller height, I think that 820 is much easier to use. I constantly adjust the grind size according to the coffee beans, and it's much simpler to do with the 820. And most of the settings are easier to do with 820. The digital display is a plus, but that can add to a distress if it fails. I had a problem with the first one I bought as the display failed after a few days. I sent it to Breville and the sent me a new one. I really like the Smart pro.
Hi l, Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience!
Marc
HI I got this grinder smart grinder 11 months ago and it broke down i took to coustumer service ,not problem they fixed, but as soon i got back it broke again i took it back and the answer was that the coffe i use has too much oil (from costco brand) they toll me i have to use a diferent kind of cofffee, (I wont do that i will change of grinder brand )am disappointed.
Hi Carlos, Sorry to hear you had issues using oily beans with your grinder. Breville tends to pack a lot of features into their grinders at a lower price point. At that lower price you typically get motors with less power than competing grinders and more plastic used in construction. As mentioned at appox 11:45 in video these grinders may not be the best choice in heavy use applications especially when grinding oily and/or dark roasted beans.
If I would grind "oily" beans, would I have to clean the burrs often?
27westmount Cleaning the burrs will help. It depends on just how oily the beans are. Also be careful with the "appliance" type of grinders featured in this video when using extra oily beans. They have less powerful motors which may have trouble with very oily beans - especially when grinding in fine ranges for espresso.
Whole Latte Love do you feel your description of dark oily beans is applicable to Starbucks French roast?
Can these grinders be used to grind dese nuts …..?
😂 I mean it's a coffee grinder so...
I'd like to know what's the best SIZE of grind and AMOUNT of grind time for a smooth and consistent espresso coffe ? I have a Mr. Coffee Barista Semi Automatic espresso machine.
Hi LF, So your machine uses a pressurized filter basket. With those,
grind size is not super critical as it is for standard non-pressurized
baskets. But, you do want a very fine grind - it should be a little
finer than granulated sugar. Can't really give you a number for your
grinder as every grinder (even same make/model) is a little different.
As to amount to use, I'd fill the filter basket and then tamp it a bit
before attaching to machine.
You made a statement that really confused me at the end of the video . you said that darker roasts contain more oil. i believe it's light roasts that contain more oil . when they are roasted , the oil rises to the surface , kinda like bbqing a steak . the roasting process is a drying process it cannot oil. in fact, i 've only one article that concurs with my belief
Hi MV, I was referring to surface oils on the bean. Roasting darker tends to bring those oils to the surface. I think I see where you are going with more oils remaining in the beans in lighter roast.
In Europe, I believed we get the "Breville" products sold under the "Sage" same.
You are correct sir!
Great video. Was helpful for me. Thanks
You're welcome!
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@@itsJPhere Damn. I just ordered one two days ago
@@lucashearne Yeah, you might want to get something better that doesn't grind plastic into your coffee.
I just bought a Smart Grinder Pro and I'm still getting used to it. I came from a Cuisinart grinder that recently bit the dust and that one always ground very coarse, even when I set it almost to fine. It never ground fine enough for espresso. Anyway I set it [Breville Smart Grinder] to 40 (right in the middle of the "drip" area) and using a very dark bean. I noticed the flavor change right away. Very bitter! lol Anyway, I'll just change that up to 48 or so.
Hi DJ P, Thanks a whole latte for sharing your experience - sounds like you got a big upgrade!
Marc
9:58 Looks like you won’t have a fresh grind beans with that much retention
This help me decide
Hi JJ, That's great - thanks for the comment!
Marc
assist plugs are awesome
Hi Kam, Thanks for the comment. Wish I had them on all my plugs!
Thanks the smart it bee it fits my machine
He had the Grind Master Pro on 7 not 1. He moved it from 1 but forgot to go back down to the finest setting because he waffled about other stuff. Kinda annoying.
Mopantsu I noticed that! What’s irritating is that my sole purpose for watching this video was to see the finest espresso grind on each of these! Guess I’ll have to check out Seattle Coffee Gear’s video and see what Gayle thinks. I’m leaning towards the Breville Grind Master Pro.
Why u have low subscribers!!! Ur channel doing very good !!!!!!
Hi ASA, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
nice
its good for the price, but not the best for espressos.
Hi Peter, It may be passable for some but there are much better options.
Marc
You accidentally made it to grind size 7 instead of 1
Piece of junk. Cheap plastic impeller below the burrs which gets sandblasted in about a year of moderate use. This causes the grinder to clog.