TDA 7297 vs TPA 3116 amplifier (which is best)
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- Hard to tell but realy 2x15W TDA7279 amp is powerfull than this TPA3116.. They are both tested on 12V - 18A power supply.. but this kind of TPA realy leaks of power.. and just do not produce enough punch..
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If you're using the same power supply on both, this is a bogus review. 12v 2amp is not the right power for the TPA3116D2 Use a 24v 4 to 5 amp power supply
My observation:
Yes, TPA3116 is more powerful than TDA7297 but the TPA is much lesser Trebles compared to TDA7297 and other class AB amps like STK402-030. I have a TPA3116d2 and im comparing it with my class AB amps (TDA7297 and my JVC MX-GA8V with an STK 402-030 inside of it). I guess Class D amplifiers is lesser when we talking about clarities.
Suggestions:
If you're finding an amplifiers that is used for subwoofers go for Class D and if you're finding an amplifiers that is used for full range drivers go for Class AB Amplifiers.
Have a great day :D
Absolutely I agree with your talk because I also feel it extremely .🤝🏻
pero para los graves es muy necesario el ab ya q los bajos con clase d no se entienden nada , en cambio con un ab son mas armoniosos y calidos
I have the TDA7297 with tone controls - sounds awesome.
Nice Comments . TDA AMPLIFIER BEST .
What tone control did you use? Can you give the link?
I HV both. Tested both at various voltages and with different speakers. 3116 is louder but 7297 wins in sound quality. This is what I found.
well how do i explain it i dont know. i have a logitech USB speaker (S150) its a small usb speaker not mush special about it but what special about it shift sound right to left kind of like in this video but better and makes surrounding type of effect, i am looking for a amp that can produce this kind of sound. The effect is present in the video but not much may b because of microphone i dont know. can you suggest any amp or 7297 can produce this kind of effect.
Did you use the upper end of the suggested voltage and amperage. The lower you go the distortion increases so if you want to be fair about it, if that 50w x 2 say it can run at 8v~24v go with 24v
Tda, 7297 it's great I have 5 of them 15x 15 sound very good
I have the TDA 7297 and it is amazing. Put a couple of of resistors (1kΩ) on the input (ground to right and ground to left) to get rid of the little hiss it has (every D class amp has some and it works on all)
Can you clarify which to put the 1k resistor : the TPA3116 or the TDA7297 or both?
it will work on both
I though of this at some time, but does this get rid of some frequencies?
Microlab Solo9c uses TPA3116d2 and its sound Awesome!
In order to examine the quality of an audio amplifier you need to measure a few characterizing parameters like its noise floor, its undistorted RMS output power, its harmonic distortions (at least for an 1 kHz input signal, even and odd harmonics) and its linearity over the frequency range from 20 Hz up to 20 kHz
sometimes it only comes down to trusting the ear, because it is what is heard and does not lie: v
You can't get enough power to get 15 W or even 50 W out of a 12 V power supply. Both amplifiers operate in bridged configuration. The TDA7297 operates in class AB mode, The TPA3116 in class D mode. Both amplifiers are limited by the power supply to about 10 to 12 Wrms @ 4 Ohm load. The decision between them is therefore not a question of output power. It is more about noise, harmonic distortion and linearity. Within your electro-acoustic chain and with this kind of music material you will not find significant differences. Typically the speaker are the weekest part of the electro-acoustic chain and so it is here. Computer-generated music is not a useful "software" for testing. You need more classical music with flutes, violins, violas, chellos, pianos. I suggest to use Renaissance music like the kind of Antonio Vivaldi (Four Seasons).
Vivaldi barroco :v
That digital Amp works much better at 24v. I used to ran mine at 12v, after I changed my psu it sounded noticeably better. Also the digital produces 50w at 4ohms at 24v. At 12v 8ohms it only produces 10w.
Flavio Gomes I found this out when I tried mine on a mains adapter. Sounds very good for the price. I have since upgraded my battery pack to 3 x 2s lipo batteries in parallel giving 21.6 volts.
The quality of the DC power supply makes all the difference in the world for these cheap chinese amps, which lack adequate filtering. A cheap power supply will not output clean DC, and these cheap amps will allow that to taint the audio, ESPECIALLY if voltage dropping on low frequencies, which is common on cheap power supplies due to inadequate capacitor power reserve to maintain the power draw of low frequencies.
I have TDA 7297, and at 12V it only producing 2x8W @ 8Ohm 10% THD/2x6W @ 8Ohm 1% THD, which is still lower than TPA3116D2. TDA7297 recommended voltage is 16.5v will producing 2x15W @ 8Ohm 10% THD, it even better at 18v. Always add DC input filter caps if using cheap power supply or adapter, will clean the ripple producing better performance.
Flavio Gomes , exactly, these things never come with a big enough power supply.
Nope amplifier start getting hot after 18 volt and even hotter at stand by when no music is playing through it it works well on 12 volt
Awesome... new era of amp
tpa for full power need to work on 24v you dont get 60w with 12v you get 30w
Don't confuse gain for maximum output power. The TPA 3116 is a class "D" switchmode amplifier, while the TDA 7297 is a half bridge analog amplifier. The TDA7297 sounds much better, because it doesn't have the passive lowpass filters used by the pulse width modulated TPA 3116. The gain may be set a little less on the switcher, but, depending on supply voltage, can produce much more power. On the analog amp, the output power is approximately 70% of 1/2 the supply voltage squared, then divided by the impedance of the speaker. On the switch mode amp, the power is 70% of the FULL supply voltage squared, then, divided by speaker impedance. If the analog amp uses 24 volts,(+- 12 volts) and you apply 12 volts to the switcher, the output will be the same in the same impedance speaker.
Both are full bridge amplifiers.
TPA3116 deliver more power if you have a pre amp and connect to it . However, TDA7297 will sound better
Agree with you bro
u seem to be an intellectual .... keep up researching
Il mio TPA 3116 l'ho alimentato a 24 v. e 4 A. Unito ad un paio di casse AR e un giradischi con un preamplificatore fonografico tutto suona magnificamente. Il prezzo dell'amplificatore e il preamplificatore fonografico complessivamente è di 37 euro. Rapporto qualità/prezzo insuperabile. Ciao da Roma.
這是因為老外不懂 TPA 3116 必須 24V 來推~才有那個力度與質感
使用12V 對 TPA 3116 (D2)~就好像給吃不飽的運動員去比賽一樣
建議的參數是很重要的~ 必須知道自己在幹啥 做了才有意義
我這兩顆都有,3116吃24V真的猛到夭壽
hello sir
I have a question. I try to make an amplifier with 2 speakers (110w & 4 ohm ) and 2 woofers (40w & 16ohm) with 12v power supply which support car mobile charge port. I'm confuse with amplifier board use to make an amplifier? please recommend any an amplifier board.
thanks for the infos, i just wanted to know if there any hiss/buzz noise from those amps ?
el tpa3116 nesesita 24 volltios 5 amps a 4 ohms(por canal) y 45 watts por canal
(the tpa3116 needs 24 volts 5 amps at 4 ohms (per channel) and 45 watts per channel)
Thanks sir to gad me I need some more gad for wae tubs? Can you help me
well how do i explain it i don't know. i have a logitech USB speaker (S150) its a small usb speaker not mush special about it but what special about it shift sound right to left kind of like in this video but better and makes surrounding type of effect, i am looking for a amp that can produce this kind of sound. The effect is present in the video but not much may b because of microphone i don't know. can you suggest any amp or 7297 can produce this kind of effect.
The reason I still choose linear power amplifiers: switched mode power amplifiers need critical high quality supporting components. Linear power amplifiers work well with regular quality supporting components.
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Ampli diatas itu linear bukan bro????
Good observation: Switch mode amplifiers have low pass filters on the output, which introduce some distortion. the linear amplifier has no such filter, thus, a much better sound. I like switch mode for bass (subwoofer) use, where you need horsepower, I like linear for the highs, where you need resolving power.
Hi thanks for the very helpful advice. What do you recommend for a 50W/channel solution able to drive also demanding loads ? i am looking for something not too big Thanks a lot, gino
At first I thought so, but considering the TPA 3116 reviews are good and the price is also cheap. I'm tempted
@@vincentrobinette1507 I use class d amp only for subwoofer amp, for middle and high amp I use TDA 2050
A/B Class will almost always beat a Class D. Are you using a 24v power supply with the TPA3116D2?
please make a video on tda7297 vs la4508 which is better....
did you use the recommended tpa3116 voltage of 24 volts to meet design wattage? the TDA 7297 is 12 volt recommended. I am using tpa 3116d2 120wattsx2 21 volts sound is clear and deeper bass.
The signal comming into the amp needs to be higher, an amp needs to be at full power way less than full power on the volume control so it also can play songs that are not recorded loud at max volume/wattage, thats why many play max volume at 12 o'clock or less
Speakers is the final bit of a amplifier circuits that speaker your using may sound better on that amp has to do with ohms and wattage if your not powering up the 2x50 watt amplifier with the right amount of amperage or voltage and ohms and wattage speakers it will not function to its best ability So u can’t determine from the same speaker which is better And u still got to know the deference between rms and watt Cause u can get confused by that
By powering TPA with 12V instead of e.g. 26V (its maximum rated voltage), you are getting out just 21% of its rated power.
If you wish to compare power output of amps, you must drive each at their recommended maximum voltage. That's what they were designed for. Power output of an amp is relative to square of supply voltage: double your supply voltage and you get four times power output.
And no, powering both with 12V does not make it for a fair comparison. It is like comparing 110V and 220V light bulb plugged into a 110V power line and then finding out that the 220V bulb does not produce the expected output.
Doing what you've done just reveals that you don't really have a clue what you are doing.
exactly.. I agree with you. :)
I know it's really misleading to people that don't know a thing about suitable power sources for these small amps, like the fella that made this video.
The 7297 is rated to 18v, if you have a good heatsink. Being a linear amp, it sounds amazing, but it is hard to get tons of power cause of heat.
The 3116 is much more efficient, but needs more voltage to produce the same volume output, compared to the 7297. If using the same power supply, the 7297 will be louder, as long as it isn't going into thermal protection. However, you can get more power out of the 3116 by giving it more power than the 7297 can take.
Volume aside, I think the 7297 sounds better, but it isn't nearly as efficient. Mostly in the richness of the mid/low end. The 3116 sounds too analytical and airy, as if it has a treble boost. I had to pass mine through a tone control to tame the high frequencies.
Well u pls make a video on TPA3116D2 Bluetooth 4.2 Amplifier Board 5.1 Channels Audio Amplifiers 100WX1+50WX5
Plz suggest 2.1 200 watts subwoofer amplifier board long life ... For home use
Tpa3116 has a good detail on bass ,tda7297 has a clear sound ,thats what i hear from headphone. But if you supply tda 24v it will be different sound ,😁
Yes salute brother.. because of you i really tried to buy a 2x15w amp and i cannot believe it because i plug it to my subwoofer 200w and that works pretty fine with no distortion or skipping. So i buy more of them like 4 of them and then i tried to make an amp connect to my marantz equalizer and yeah i tell you its like a (stereo wide) and very cool though
The tda distorts at maximum volume?
The Breeze Audio amp uses two TPA3116 chips, while that other one appears to just use a single one. Well, my Breeze Audio uses two at least. I know that they aren't all the same. I think the Breeze Audio is "good for what it is", i.e. a super cheap mini amp that you can get out when you need to test a pair of speakers, just to make sure they aren't faulty or something. I wouldn't use it for a daily driver though.
power supply u used? tpa need 24v 8ohm speaker to deliver 50watt
For my ear tpa3116(2x50w) sounds way more clear than tda
How is the bass quality of tda7297 for boom box?
Can i connect 6ohm speaker in tda7297 board
Inducters used in the output may effects the quality of the digital amp
Tda 7297 or tda 7498? Which is better
Legend says that you need to reverse polarity on speakers and bass come in......
What are you using to power this
7279has much higher gain than tpa3116, but max output is much lower on 7279.
If you get a high gain pre amp then you can take advantage of 3116 50w output.
I had a tda 20W mono, but build my own power supply, my own radiator snd box, had distorsion when no aux imput was on but despite that sounded great when phone was conected was more clear & had bass could operate even with big disco speakers gave it to a noob friend for free & don’t know what he even did with it😢, now I have this tpa3116 but doesen’t have real bass & sound quality, you can see in my video the only bonus is the bluetooth, still tested only on 12V 1A wasn’t able to connect my 18.5V 3A from my hp
Actually that tiny tpa amp can produce 60 watt rms at 1% thd per channel at 24 volts into 4 ohms.u just need a pre amp.but for hifi it gives 30 watts rms at .1% distortion which is just awesome. These ampsbare great for subs and these are very energy efficient. Class ab doesn't come close to these tiny amps in terms of power and efficiency.
Tpa3116 4homs 2x50w in 21v
Or 8homs 2x40w 24v
Try to power the TPA up to 24v
@Legendary Drawings dude, is it running okay ?
@Legendary Drawings Yes, but it won't produce 50 watts unless you give it 24v, as the specifications state for the TPA3116
They all work from 12 to 24 but in my personal experience sweet spot 18 to 20v .
@Legendary Drawings LMFAO! That was a the TDA you had, not the TPA LOL!
The TPA3116 can go up to 24v, not the TDA7297.
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If u did a 24v on the red board the sound would be much better because of the more juice
I have a TDA7377 and it sounds great. I guess the bigger brother to the one you have there.
I had such an amplifier 7377, I later bought a 3118d2 middle became open, I really liked it.
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It will be very usefull to me if you make a video on mosfet based amp vs tda7293.
the tpa3116 is a class-D amplifier, is based on mosfets
I'm wondering if you are aware that for us, viewers, there is no difference between them, we are listening to what our own speakers sound...
both of the boards aren't hifi?
TDA7297 Number one
your TPA 3116 amplifier does not have the output chokes with the red toroidal ferrite of 22uH, and does not have the necessary power supply of 19-20V minimum.
The TDA is a Class AB amp, so it should produce better audio quality than the TPA which is a Class D amp. Class D amp will be more power efficient, but introduce more noise.
Nope. Do your homework and check your sources.
According to datasheets, at 10W output power at 1KHz, the TDA's output will be 10 times more noisy or distorted compared to TPA. And that is quite typical for class AB amps when compared to modern class D amps.
BTW, these charts are usually based on measurements, not quackery. They can be easily reproduced.
I've seen the data sheets you're comparing the wrong ICs compare 15W with 15W not he higher 30W or 50W that TI also put in one data sheet. It's quite clear the D class amp has higher distortion, which should be obvious as Class D amps use 'switching' to save on efficiency over quality.
Hey, thanks for the response. You've got me interested in stuff you wrote, however I can't find the same data that you are writing about.
I've compared figure 4 on the TDA7297 datasheet with figure 10 on the TPA3116D2 datasheet (both are distortion vs output power charts, measured at max supply voltage and powering 8-ohm load).
TPA stays below 0.1% THD until 30 W of output power, whereas TDA manages that level of distortion only until 5 W.
When both are being powered with 12 volts (figure 9 and 5 compared), TDA is indeed better (which is expected, because you're driving TDA 35% below its nominal voltage, and TPA at 52% below ideal voltage).
Can you please help me find data that you were looking at. Thanks.
Did you get enough input level? I think you only found TPA has lower gain. If you want to test max power you must gain almost to clip.
nop, TDA has got a THD = 0,1% for 5w and TPA has got a THD = 0,1% for 25W. TPA its better
Will i have to buy extra power adapter for it or it is included?
external
TDA 7297 BEST PERFORM
what is better for you between that two sir?
Axl Go.. deffinitely TDA.. even if you feed the TPA with 24V.. the tda is better sounding and powerfull...
I had the 2x35W TDA but is realy powerful and nice sounding, better than TPA.. if you chosing the TPA, chose at least 100W per channel.
Practice TPA 3116 , simple and mini.
Full power and suport for subwoofer.
What do you use as a power supply? I'm looking for a cheap power supply
KenjaTaimu.. you can modefy the computer power suply.. there you will have ore then enough power.. or simply buy power adapter for led lights at least 3A or more it should work just fine..
I have an old pc power supply laying around I'll use that TY
But you can use laptop charger 19v 3.8A
The wrong opinion is class D is more noise and distort. The new technology of Class D can make the best efficial amlipier with clarify sound!
TDA should sound better on higher frequencies as it is class AB amplifier. Make sure you using proper power supply with voltage set to the amp's allowed max voltage. Remember P(power) = U(voltage)^2/R(speaker impedance) in ideal situation. THIS IS NOT A CAR AMP! Car amps have voltage boost circuit witch boost 12V to 50V or something. With 12V powered amp hooked with 4 ohm speaker max you can get is 12^2/4 = 36W and even less due to amp's efficiency (take a look at datasheet for specific IC).
power is not everything,. Class D amps sure are powerful,. but I really liked a Class A amps in terms of sound quality.
I agree 100%. The bridged switchmode is a better choice for bass, Linear amplifiers are much more clear for highs, because they don't use a low pass filter to integrate the pulse width modulated square wave produced by the switching output stage. You just can't get the timbre out of a class "D" amplifier.(higher supply voltage helps, because it can chase the inductance more quickly)
sometime circuit diagram maters
Thats cause the tpa chip need 24v and about 4-5A for the maximum punch!!! The tda max drive voltage is 12V . Drive the tpa as you should its going to brake your glasses
Well, 12v on tpa3116 Is a bad comparation, only get 20->30w whit hi distorsion, for beta work of tpa put un 24v, 4amp min. recommendet 24@6amp
Tda class a-b better sound and more less THD,bad effeciency
TPA : low Fequence, TDA High frequence for twiter
That because TPA has inductors and capacitors at the output power that can makes audio distortion
@@LabArlyn trus cara ngatasin biar suaranya bisa oke gimana Mbah?
You ran the TPA3116 at the wrong voltage and impedance for the 50W rating.
At 12V 8Ohm, they indeed only output a little over 10W per channel.
At the rated voltage of 26V, good TPA3116 boards run almost dead flat 50W per channel at 10% distortion and 45ish at 0.1% distortion, just like the chip rating lists.
Crazy to do a music test with electronic music - there is no way to know what it should sound like. Acoustic guitar and unaltered voice is much more useful.
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Because whoever built that mini amp never built it according to the manufactures specs.
Tpa good
Yeah bro the 2*15w sounds way better and it has got deeper bass
TDA7297 is best
TDA 7297 gives very sweet sound.
How sweet is it ?
Is it as sweet as strowberry or what fruit ?
@@LabArlyn as sweet as honey.😃
Done👍👍👍hug too
Can I connect tda7297 amplifier in bridge mode
Plz reply..
@@mukeshmji3630 No, each channel already works internally in bridge mode.
TDA 7297 Good
1 build six TDA 7297 its very powerfull and i build TDA 7377 2.1 AMP ALSO POWERFULL
I have two TPA... and I sorry for that mistake
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4:47 dude because you used 12V instead 24V for TPA. Wrong comparison
You should use audiophile well-recorded music and not that crap for this kind of test.
Fabrizio Vigni how is digital music crap for it????
Probably the TPA3116 is a fake one. you can check it cause the original TPA3116 has 32pins and the fake only 16.
the fake one is in reality a CS8673E chip.
You could check datasheets out first. THD and at which voltage. Both are so so. But D is also dry.
1% THD cannot be “good”, “amazing”, and so on. You have a mind, don’t you?
3116👌
You need 24V man lol
Powering the TPA3116 with 12v was never going to produce a fair test, as the 2x50w is quoted at double the voltage.
_because u use only 12v on tpa. use 24v. 5
what is better?
Hard to tell.. But in this case for me personaly.. The TDA 👍 sound and power.
@@als-techreview thanks
Tripath Is Better Clarity
its all about gain & supply voltage - if you dont measure the gain
- the comparison is useless
Tda is best imo its class a/b i beleive
TPA..all the way!! 👍
TPA is more powerful than TDA?
Axl Go.. yes but you deffinitly got more sound power from tda.. and better sound I think..
Zasilanie obu układów powinno być całkowicie inne aplikacja obu układów jest różna więc i efekt jest różny, ten test niczego tak naprawdę nie pokazuje
I love amps made of rice xD
Na TDA7297 słychać więcej szczegółów.
Bo to klasa AB więc więcej sopranów jest słyszalnych ale dla mnie bassheada tpa starczy... i tak soprany zawsze wyciszam mocno jak i średnie by basy grały pierwsze skrzypce.
Tak dla ciekawskich co myślą o tych dwóch rozwiązaniach:
- Jak głównie zależy ci na basach i wszystkie średnie i wysokie tony gdzieś tam w tle są mniej istotne dla twoich upodobań to leć w TPA.
- Jak chcesz mieć dużo średnich i wysokich bo one są dla ciebie ważniejsze a bassy są na drugim miejscu to lepiej idź w TDA.