The Goat Strategy - Survivor: Thailand
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- Dragging a goat to the end is a basic Survivor strategy and we take a look at its first successful implementation. So what is the Goat strategy? Let's find out.
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What do you think about Brian Heidik's implementation of the goat strategy? If he hadn't utilized it and instead went against Ted, Helen, or Jan, would he have won?
Brian's strategy is both extremely precise and dangerous. Had Mr. Freeze not played exactly the way he did, he would have lost. I think Brian beats Jan, but loses to Ted. I think it's a tossup against Helen, but I would guess he loses.
@@clarkdawson6848 Considering how much praise Brian receives, it seems to be overlooked how close he was to losing.
No if he would have kept anyone except Claye,he would have lost since everyone on that tribe hated Clay since the begining.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I think the beauty in his game tho is that it might have been close but Clay was never ever getting the votes from Jan, Ted, Helen and Jake . That from the very second that Jake was voted out that was it game set and match Brian had the game sealed uo
Clark Dawson I have a feeling Brian loses to Jan because she didn’t ruffle any feathers on the jury, and in the early game of Survivor I think that helps more
My favorite goat is Russell in Heroes vs Villains. Because he didn't even know he was a goat. Hell, he still doesn't know he was a goat.
Yeah, he was definitely the goat of HvV.
Well said!! I laughed so much when he claimed to be the greatest Survivor player ever... hmmm if it only weren't for that ONE little thing he forgot about the game of Survivor!!!
Even better, lots of his fans believe he isn’t a goat.
Kai, his fans are more delusional than him. He has the weirdest fans of any Survivor ever.
A goat is someone who is carried to the end to be slaughtered. Everyone who won against Russell was carried to the end by Russell. Russell always got himself and his people to the end. So, maybe he's a suicide goat.
Brian may have created the Goat strategy, but future players perfected it
This is true.
Brian perfected it. He knows where the vote is gonna be.
As he said
One disposable (the jury who did not vote for him)
A loyal soldier (the jury that vote for him even though he blindside some of them )
And a good friend(clay who he knows would not flip on him on who to vote every tribal council)
All he need is 4 votes and thats it.
@@jepoymanalo9496 But the goat got 3 votes at FTC and arguably had an opportunity to win if Ken went through with telling the jury about the racist thing
@@drewlmao I'm still convinced Ted was lying about that. No player from that season and nobody from Clay's personal life has ever confirmed he said something racist. I think Ted was trying to distract people from his sexual assault.
@eliwhite5548 Oh no, what the above guy is talking about is that allegedly Brian Heidik in order to gain Ken's favour made outwardly racist comments against Ted.
(He assumed that Ken as a New York cop would be racist) and Ken didn't take too kindly to this.
I think Russell thought he was bringing a goat to the end, but she beat him.
Knowing Russell, he probably did at that!! Though to all of us it was clear who was the goat!!
Mason Lee that was my point.
Mason Lee because of that fact he himself is a goat because he’ll never win by his social game. Natalie knew that and worked on relationships with Galu instead of burning bridges like he did
@@lukepinsky2100 Furthermore, Natalie avoided every single one of the mistakes that sank so many strategically savvy contestants. She never challenged the Survivor gods and never thought herself better than she was.
@@lukepinsky2100 exactly. Had Natalie been a female Russell and that would just give Russell the win.
2:12 I think of Ethan’s “WOOOOOOOOOOO!” as so iconic
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Brian really was a skater, because he was on real thin ice and really cut it close.
His entire game rested on a single plan: Take Clay to the end and get four votes over him.
It all went to plan, but the tolerances in his plan were extremely tight and he had no backup options.
I think this is what makes Brian's game so interesting, because unlike other players who had a general game plan but continued to make decisions late in the game, Brian plotted his one path to the end and ran it through point to point. It was a very good plan, but he left himself zero wiggle room. The amount of confidence inherent to that plan is staggering.
I like that Brian essentially had to work extra hard to overcome the disadvantage of being a psychopath. It's something that might make him a weaker player but it makes him a more interesting character.
I don't think Brian needed to take Clay to the end. He probably wasn't against Ted. And he has a 50/50 shot against Jan or Helen. The only reason the FTC was so close is because he turned on his allies to get Clay to the end. If he told Ted and Helen it was going to be them, they probably vote for him. 😊
I watched your Brian Heidik video last night and I was blown away by how detailed and on point your analysis was. Videos like that for a Survivor nerd like myself, especially in these trying times when there is nothing to do is literally heaven. Thank you so much, I can't wait to binge all your videos!
That is awesome to hear! The story videos take 40-50 hours each to make so a lot of love and care is put into all of them.
I still remember the fox, bear, bunny, goat theory.. at least the term 'goat' stuck around. 🐐🐐
Top 10 Survivors's strategists
1- Helen's husband
He told Helen to drop "Mr. Freeze" but she didn't because of her "blind loyalty" to "Mr. Freeze."
Brain heidick was so strategic and entertaining. Its sad that he never came back.He was a survivor beast
He played a good game, but with major social flaws that almost had him lose to Clay.
He shot a dog at point blank range with a bow and arrow doubt he will be asked back again. Especially after they found out he was in softcore porn and the events that happened last season.
@@Drake_Dimes he said they did ask him back for All Stars and he told them he wanted 50 grand on top of any money he won. They hung and he never talked to them again. He also claimed the dog thing was a mistake. Not saying it was but that's what he claims.
Colby was such a good sport when they revealed the s2 winner.. even if it wasn't COMPLETELY genuine, surely he was a bit bummed/upset, it was still really nice that he reacted the way he did. I think for him his reputation and appearance and morals are more important than winning the money. Also I think he was trying to break into the acting world..? So obviously his reputation would be very important lol
Heidik played a brilliant strategic game, very few mistakes by him but if he had brought someone else I donno if he wins
He’s got a pretty bad social game imo. He seemed like a robot who didn’t give a shit about his wife when the family visit happened which really makes him hard to relate to for the other contestants who are obviously ecstatic to see their family members. He also couldn’t name anyone’s kids or spouses names at final tribal council when asked.
He’s like the anti-Natalie White. Great strategic control of the game and deciding who goes home, but really weak interpersonal relationships which nearly cost him the game.
For that reason, he’s a bottom tier winner for me
@@davidm9026 I agree but Natalie white social game isn't that great she got the votes because everyone hated Russell.... No matter who Russell sits next to he's losing cause the jury isn't gonna let him win, it's not necessarily that Natalie had a great social game... JT had a great social game, Vicepia had a great social game, sandra in pearl islands had it but Natalie I don't think so
Natalie had a bad edit that didn’t show her social game. If it just that people hated Russell, Mick would have gotten at least 1 vote. Natalie has a postgame interview where she talks about how she was always chatting with people, just getting to know them and taking an active interest in their lives. If she got a final tribal question like the one Penny (I think) asked Brian or Michaela asked Brad Culpepper where they ask if the finalist can name any of their family members or anything about them, Natalie would have passed with flying colours. She knew everyone’s kids names, spouses names, occupations, hometowns etc.
Don’t let the edit fool you
@@davidm9026 Natalie White didn't have a social game. You're thinking of Sandra. Natalie White had a great strategic game - get to the end with a guy 10x as hated as Brian or Clay.
Yet another insightful video!! I've been impatiently waiting for your Thailand breakdown!!
That is in 2 weeks. Next week I am covering The Attack Zone ;)
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Survivor Amazon: Rob Cesternino
Survivor Pearl Islands: Lilian Morris
Survivor All-Stars: "Friends Helping Friends"
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Its pretty funny that Clay almost won haha
He was never winning tho. A goat is a goat.
@@danieln.9135 He got three votes. Only one thing needed to go wrong for Brian to lose to the first-ever goat.
Regardless of whether he was gonna win or not, he still got 100,000 dollars from it, which is more than what can be said for all the other "strategic" players of that season(barring Brian, of course).
@@aidanator8008 There were other strategic players that season? The runner up money is kind of problematic in survivor imo for this reason: it rewards people for not being good players. *Edit: I should make it clear: the previous two sentences are in no way intended to be linked.
Welcome to the Goat Army Xander
Its newest member
this is so interesting, great video!!
Love your videos bro
Thank you!
Great video happy to see regular uploads
Brian really played everyone, but that's probably cause he had both the future 'shield' strategy working with him alongside the goat strategy. Clay was both, disliked by everyone so everyone always cast their negative feelings towards him, cause group think starts to get to everyone, instead of to the real snake in the grass. So he sort of pioneered the shield strat, to a small extent, but he definetly knew Clay was an easy win, so he gets credit for pioneering the goat strat.
And yes.... Helens husband was very smart for being in the game for less than a day, lol.
But Russel will forever be the best goat, alongside being one of themost infamous and one of the best idol trackers, he was also the greatest goat. Totally unaware he was the goat and felt he was in control..... twice. But that's the thing he was so unlikable everyone saw him as an easy win, because he could never understand that deserving it, is not enough when you are so unlikable..... and not even subtle or humble. Most smart manipulative players don't call everyone idiots or treat them badly. So in the end people did what he said cause it inflated his ego and made him both a shield an goat. But mostly a goat, so he lost twice in a row simply cause he made no friends and made his good moves moot and unrespectable.
The goat strat also basically forced the final three ending. So the strat changed the game, just because they realized that oneperson who played and another didn't or was disliked was boring, so add a third gear in there, cause taking two goats is way harder than one.
Unless you are Boston Rob.
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The thing is in all of the 1st 4 seasons except Australia the player with immunity at Final 3 could not win
My favorite Goat strategy ever used was Jenna Morasca in the Amazon. She brought Matthew who, in my opinion never really stood a chance
She did a sneaky goat strategy. Because Rob was bringing Matt as his goat till she stole him at the end.
Once Upon An Island Exactlyyyy. That’s why it’s so underrated in my opinion. Rob thought he had the game in the bag and Jenna pulled out the final immunity win which was the moment I knew she won
It wasn’t some brilliant maneuver by Jenna. She was brought to final 3 because she had sucked in challenges up to that point, was ill and was almost ready to quit. She happened to win one challenge and got rid of the obvious choice, Rob who would have demolished either Matt or Jenna in a final vote. Not sure why you’re giving her so much credit for something that fell into her lap
David M That’s a complete lie. She won 4 immunity challenges. And it was a good move by Jenna . She promised mat a final 2 so she didn’t have to worry about a bitter juror and she knew Rob would vote for her for playing better
Sarah Parker Ehh you’re right. My memory on that season isn’t great since it’s been years since I watched it. I was referencing when Rob chose to get rid of Heidi at F5 instead of Jenna because he perceived her to be more of a challenge threat. Jenna had won 2 immunities already at that point but she was so sulky and claiming she wanted to quit that they kept her. And unless you’re going to claim that her threats to quit we’re all just a part of her strategy (I strongly believe they weren’t) then it’s not really strategic brilliance which kept her in the game, but just the fact that she was emotionally weak
Another brilliant video!
Brian started this then Chris D, Tom, Danni, Fabio, Boston Rob, Sophie, Cochran, Tyson, Jeremy, Michele, and Nick copied to win a season of their own.
How Chris D not only overcame the odds, but then brought a goat to the final is nothing sort of spectacular gameplay from a winner in the history of survivor
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In Borneo, Kelly wasn't wrong and felt she had a stronger chance at winning against Rich, which was understandable as Rudy was the clearest jury threat. However, if Kelly believed she wouldn't have won, she would've eliminated Rich and taken Rudy to the Final Two.
Natalie White clearly watched this season, because she elevated it to an art form.
Lmao, huh?? She literally didn't have a clue what was going on the entire game. You sensitive, overemotional losers need to get a grip on your jealousy.
I actually think that clay stood a good chance of winning the game
I mean some of the jury actually did like him and the rest would have voted him as a lesser of the two evils if Brian didn’t have a good jury speech
Plus how can you even say a person who was one vote away from victory stood no chance at all
With that thought, who could of Clay beaten out of the Chuay Gahn 5? I can't see him beating Jan, Ted, or Helen.
The point I am trying to make is that Brian won because of his merits and not because of clays faults
Btw love the videos keep up the good work
@@notasmiler1571 Gotta totally disagree with you there!! This excellent video pretty much proves you wrong imho.
Not sure Clay was a "goat." He had a couple enemies but some of the other people liked him.
I don't think Robb with 2 Bs made the jury, but he said Clay was his favorite person out there.
"They thought Brian was a standup guy."
Whoops.
Clay was definitely a goat. Everyone on his tribe disliked him and targeted him all game. Brian basically saved him from going at 5, 4, and 3 so that he could sit at the end with him. Jan recognized Brian was doing this too.
@@OnceUponAnIsland he almost won...
Brian only needed four votes. He got them.
O Haire, true. And it's also true Clay almost won.
@@PatkaBoy831 Which highlights how flawed Brian's game was.
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We need to see Brian give another go
This is how i think ben will make the finale in WaW, hes gonna get carried by tony to the finale
It kind of feels like Ben and Nick are the goats right now.
Once Upon An Island it really does
@@OnceUponAnIsland I think Michelle is the 2nd biggest goat this season. She can only beat ben at this point
@@irfan7395 Michelle is an average player on WAW. I wouldn't say she is a goat like Ben or Nick.
Waw Nick, Ben and Michelle at the moment goats for me... Miss stapley has got a small resume, Jeremy got a better resume/gameplay, Sarah is better than both of them in a social way best social game this season.... And then there's tony sitting with a big ass resume and a good social game
I wouldn't say Kelly was wrong. Rudy would have beat her too.
It is interesting how most of the players of the opposing tribe voted for Clay. Or voted against Brian.
Why do they call people goats
Goat to me has always been an acronym for greatest of all time
I haven't watched this season yet, but it's interesting that a goat managed to get 1 vote away from winning the game, against such a dominating winner. Was it a bitter jury or just a bad final tribal performance?
Not a bitter jury in this case. Brian's social game was just that flawed. He had top notch strategy though.
Clay was racist. Brian already knew that at least 4 of the 7 jury members were not going to vote for him.
Kelly still made the right choice in taking Rich. She had a much better shot against him. If she took Rudy it may have been 7-0.
She made the right choice, but she blew up her game way before she reached that point.
Once Upon An Island this is true. I always feel that as long as you’re not a complete goat, like for example Philip, it all depends on how articulate you are in convincing your jury to vote for you. I feel that Kelly could have beaten Rich if she was a better public speaker.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Mhmm she could of atleast acted like she was loyal to sue even tho sue was not loyal. and lets be honest production def had some kind of tie breaker they didnt tell us about. There is no way in hell they would just let the votes keep getting tied over and over. And maybe sue could beat rich and if kelly wins final immunity she votes Rudy out and easily crushes Sue 5-2 and possibly even more if Rich respects her.
What song did you use at the start of the video?
The one dislike is Clay
Honestly I still can't believe that wigglesworth thought she had a better shot against hatch than rudy. Rudy doesn't even give af lmao like he would say whatever tf he wanted during ftc, it would've been much easier going against him.
helen should have listened to her husband by voting our brian
It's so funny that the first ever season and first ever winner of this show was such a disappointment to Jeff and, I assume, all of production lmao Jeff seemed so annoyed that he won 😂 the look on his face, the deadpan "congratulations".. it's hilarious
It's interesting because you make it sound like Clay losing was a foregone conclusion when it wasn't. Brian won 4-3. I don't know how you can call Clay the goat when he was one vote away from winning.
You mention Clay's issues with the game but you didn't mention Brian's, where almost all of Sook Jai slammed Brian for the issues he had relating to them whereas they praise Clay for connecting to them. He also had to contend with Brian making him seem lazy by doing his work and spreading rumors he was racist against Ted.
Clay's game clearly had problems and I'm not discrediting that. Brian likely did drag Clay to the end thinking he'd be easy to win against, but he wasn't. Calling him the first goat seems like a stretch, I'd give that title to Matt in Amazon or Lill in Pearl Islands as both were drawing dead prior to the finale.
Bailey Vogt Yeah I think Jake and Teds votes were more up in the air tbh. They both have talked about it post season that they felt very betrayed by Brian and could have gone either way so I don’t think Brian had the game on lock, which is why I’ll never consider him in the highest tier of winners
Brian only needed four votes. He got them. He had the game wrapped up before the merge.
O'Haire that is not true both Ted and Jake were on the fence and have confirmed this post season. Brian did not have all of the votes locked, and Clay very easily could’ve slipped past Brian. Brian played well but he really should tried to build bonds with the Sok Jai members because he was in legitimate danger of not beating Clay. He would’ve gotten destroyed by Jan or Helen, so he was definitely not walking away with the win from merge on.
@@PatkaBoy831 You only need to rewatch the final tribal to find how untrue that is. Brian won against the only person who he could beat, and he almost lost.
I do have a 46 minute video that dives deep into Brian's game and all of his flaws. But Clay was a goat. There wasn't anyone he could beat out of that final 5. He was the most disagreeable player and Brian dragged him to the end.
RIP Clay
Who do you think is a goat on WaW? I say Nick.
Joshua Hebert he’s certainly not well liked by the jury.
Michelle, Denise and Kim more than Nick
Mason Lee Kim’s gone, Denise is a dark horse to win, and Michele has friends on the jury.
Definitely Ben.
Oh Ben is a goat!
Do the jurors get to see the contestants confessionals before they vote in the finale?
Nope
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IM good how about you and who do you think will win winners at war
@@joemama-vb4yo I have been on board the Tony train since week 7, but I don't know who will come back from the edge. We could have another Rick Devens vs Chris Underwood situation. Who do you think will win?
Tbh I want Parvati or Natalie to come back from the edge and I think Tony will win the whole thing but I think he needs to get Denise out
I think you are giving Brian too much credit here. No one on the jury really like Brian, they just happened to hate Clay more. Brian only is able to win against Clay. He did a good job of ensuring he gets to the end with who he needs to get to the end with, but his jury management was pretty awful and he was in reasonable danger of losing to Clay, and would’ve lost to anyone else.
Yes, the entire point of the goat strategy is to bring someone to the end who is more disagreeable than yourself. Brian brought Clay to the end knowing Chuay Gahn did not like him at all, which is why Clay gets none of their votes. Brian was disliked, but Clay was disliked more. As Ted calls it "The lesser of two evils."
@@OnceUponAnIsland EXACTLY, he carefully did his best to make sure that the one guy everyone hated more than himself was there with him at the end.
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