Because his sister mentioned how their father left him in the street with a compass to find his way home, which Lucy said sounded like one of his tests.
@@Droski-Boutta-Bag that's borderline child abuse and parental neglect. Leaving their kid in the middle of the road where they can get attacked or kidnapped by some thug.
You know the difference with his tests? He never left Lucy by herself to figure it out. He would watch her learn and problem solve his tests from a reasonable distance. Also, it is his job to teach how to be a competent police officer through rigorous tests. That's what makes him better than his father, among other things.
the way his voice almost broke on "the Tim Tests, those don't make me like him" 😭😭😭 he was trying so hard not to cry! he needed that hug, especially from Lucy
Tim's dad abused them on the pretense of getting tough but actually protected his mistress just cause she was pretty and good-looking at least back then. Jesus.
Some abusers call what tims dad did character building, but others call it what it is straight up abuse....I am curious to know what happened to their mom and maybe even why she didnt try to stop it? No im not saying ANYTHING negative about a currently absent character maybe she finally did see what was going on after tim left for military and took genny away from him(the dad) you know made a new life for herself then genny went off to school and got married etc but maybe her and her dad kept in touch unlike tim who according to something said he was born in 1980 and in whatever year it actually is in the rookieverse....he hadnt seen his dad in 20 years so right around the early 2000s meaning he was around his early 20s then so maybe around end of camp (for military)service record unclear for military but in season 2 ep 8 hes been police for 12 years
@@JjJ-rz5tv as someone who went through abuse as a kid, some adults don't care/want to see that another adult is abusive. I informed my maternal grandmother that her boyfriend was abusing me and she didn't do anything or ask someone else to stop it. He threw my sister into a dresser and she still didn't get rid of him. He would beat us with a belt. She saw a lot of the abuse, but never did anything to protect us. Whether trying to intervene herself or asking someone else to. 💔
@@Unversed333it's possible writer do a miracle n Tim's father to survive, realizing all his wrongs, season 6 we could see him , surprise to his family to ask forgiveness by side Lucy's parents too..
This scene broke me. This is a fantastic show that I've loved since day 1 but this broke me. The anger and hatred for a parent that's really hard to understand from the outside. He's said things I wish I couldve said and hearing them outloud brought me to tears.
I can sadly understand. I saw my biological father mólest my sister for years before another adult finally asked me if he was hurting us and I described in very explicit detail what he was doing. Even though I was a kid, I knew what he was doing was wrong, but I would always forget to try to tell someone what he was doing, until I was finally asked. 💔
@@be1995-r7t Well, in that time, he probably got a taste of his own medicine. No better punishment for sick creeps like that than having to experience the horrific acts that they committed against their victims. But, that's not important. What is important is the well-being of you and your sister, and that he is no longer in your lives. Have courage to speak up someone is doing something wrong to you or someone you care about. The right people will listen.
This scene gave me hope for them! Him showing her being vulnerability shows he’s opening up more. The dads all through our families have been problematic
This father doesn't regret anything. He still thinks he was right and had the right to abuse his children. Tim is so right in saying "I hope it hurts."
"No, I am who I am in SPITE of you!" Is how I am because of the abuse I went through as a kid. 💔 One of the abusers was my biological father. I'm 28 years old now and it took me 18 years to trust someone else enough to call them "Dad" and that's how long I've known the man that I now call Dad.
@@lisarice4402 There are a lot of people who grow up into less-adjusted adults because of the physical and emotional abuse they experience from a parental figure.
Tim was so vulnerable… hes like the Tim test im nothing like him and lucy comforted him. She hates those test but she knows that Tim only did them to help her become a good cop it was malicious or sadistic
First or second episode lucys talking to nolan and she says tim is calculating not cruel... the tim tests are the way he teaches his very first tim test that we saw was I BEEN SHOT BOOT where are you? And she learned her lesson...bc the very next DAY she had that very scene play out in front of her season 3×11 she's jealous he's being nice to his new boot and then he explains.....I had to show you the bad bc you see the good....Barnes only sees the bad so I gotta show her there is good
There's an earlier episode where Lucy blames a civilian for misplacing his kid (there were two children wearing the same costume at a party and he picked up the wrong kid by mistake) and Tim defends the guy, saying 'There's plenty worse than him.' Great foreshadowing for this arc.
Tim also mentioned his scars (the ones that we don't see) is growing up with a dad who tuned him up on the regular. They were planning on Tim's dad being an abusive parent since season 2.
I feel like all the characters are relatable. It's what makes the show so investing. I personally relate with Nolan. Had a father that wasn't there and raised by my mother, who I have become somewhat estranged with in my adult life.
I have a feeling season 1 bradford was headed down the same/similar path as his father, with all the anger/pain isabel caused him, then when she actually got clean and they divorced he changed to the beloved character he is now with lucys help of course😊
In war, the first thing lost... is time. The hours become days, the days tuirn into years and before you know it, one has spent their entire life at war... At war with themselves. At war with their fathers because they rejected their fathers way of doing things.
Thanks for uploading this scene. It is up to you I could discover a mistake in translation I always wondered about. In this original Tim says "goodbye" to his father - he doesn't want to see him anymore. But in the German translation he says "Auf Wiedersehen" , - what doesn't fit to the situation and to Tims whish "I hope it hurts" Seems to be a KI translation 😂
“No, I am who I am in spite of you.” This gives the same energy as Morgan’s moment in Criminal Minds. “No I did that. I pulled myself outta the gutter. All the way to the FBI. I did that.”
2:27 Even though the Tim Tests don’t mean he’s his father, he should definitely understand the slippery slope and how Chen only responded to them because of her own unique parental situation.
I only know this show through YT shorts, but I know Tim's father actor. He is Dexter's father and that's the only one I see when I look at him, so this little father-son talk... I don't know it was kind of weird and nice at the same time
I honestly think Tim’s father is the lesser of two abusive evils here, all things considered, but it still doesn’t make anything he did in the past right.
In terms of the murder? Not really. He let a woman get away with murder instead of calling the cops on her and letting them handle the situation. Now his mistress is going to serve more time than she would have when it first happened.
I did not know the dude who played Tim's father is the same dude who plays *Raiden* in that terrible-ish *Mortal Kombat* movie that came out in 90's and also who plays *Gambi* in the show called *Black Lightning*
Why are they always so nice? I would have said a few more things of which I know they will hurt him so that he can taste a bit of his own medicine. I am not saying that this is the right way but in this situation I couldn't help myself
Bye dad...I hope it hurts....dude is dying no way around it tim needed to say what he said to gain closure if he went borderline violent with it he would be like his dad...but tim chose the high ground probably bc of his (not yet) girls influence bc he didn't want HER to see him as a monster especially since her comment about the tim tests after she found out the abuse he endured as a kid, the previous shift he needed her to tell him that the tim tests didn't make him like his dad
I don't know about American history or laws, but in my country, the right to hit or otherwise physically punish your own kids was removed by law in 1997.
I don't think we have that in the US. Hell, they don't even keep child mólesters in prison. My biological father who is one, only served 13 years. He got jumped twice during his sentence, but is out now living a free life. 😡
I don’t know anything about them as I have never actually watched a whole episode. Every parent wants their kids to grow up strong but using abuse is wrong, there are a lot of ways to make children strong he chose abuse…
It is astonishing how quickly Chen passes judgment on other people and their problems. She is arrogant and way too certain of herself. She needs to be taken down several hundred pegs.
What an ungrateful brat of a son. Methods to be punished back that was an ass kickin. It's what society is missing today and why so many people are just POS people today. Lets not act like the kids who parents acted like friends arent ruining society right now
You clearly have NEVER been abused so you can't relate! Don't judge someone if you don't know what it's like to be ABUSED!! I was for years as a kid and it's NOT fun!😡
"No, I am who I am in SPITE of you!" Love it
Eric's delivery of that line 😭👍👍
One of my favorite lines
I ❤ed that he said that!!!! I think it made him feel good like it helped him get through things he was holding back
I fully expected tim to say" I didn't need to be strong, I needed to be protected"😢
Yes 🙌🏾
the look on tims face when he was talking about the tim-tests.. and lucys reaction. makes me cry like a baby
Because his sister mentioned how their father left him in the street with a compass to find his way home, which Lucy said sounded like one of his tests.
@@Unversed333 yeah i know.
@@Unversed333I mean not the way I'd teach my son but it's a valid method
@@Droski-Boutta-Bag that's borderline child abuse and parental neglect. Leaving their kid in the middle of the road where they can get attacked or kidnapped by some thug.
2:27 even though he says it like a statement you can tell Tim is asking for validation from Lucy. He needs to know he's not like his dad
You know the difference with his tests? He never left Lucy by herself to figure it out. He would watch her learn and problem solve his tests from a reasonable distance. Also, it is his job to teach how to be a competent police officer through rigorous tests. That's what makes him better than his father, among other things.
the way his voice almost broke on "the Tim Tests, those don't make me like him" 😭😭😭 he was trying so hard not to cry! he needed that hug, especially from Lucy
Anyone else hear the pain in his voice when he said "No, I am who I am in SPITE of you!"
Me. Eric's delivery of that line broke me 😭👍👍
And the pain when he said the tim tests dont make me like him
@@JjJ-rz5tvLucy, having been on receiving ends of those tests, knows that they were nothing compared to what he had been put through.
I did.
Yes 💔
Tim's dad abused them on the pretense of getting tough but actually protected his mistress just cause she was pretty and good-looking at least back then. Jesus.
He called his mistress' husband an abusive asshole, yet could not see the faults in himself. That should have been an eye-opening moment for him.
Some abusers call what tims dad did character building, but others call it what it is straight up abuse....I am curious to know what happened to their mom and maybe even why she didnt try to stop it? No im not saying ANYTHING negative about a currently absent character maybe she finally did see what was going on after tim left for military and took genny away from him(the dad) you know made a new life for herself then genny went off to school and got married etc but maybe her and her dad kept in touch unlike tim who according to something said he was born in 1980 and in whatever year it actually is in the rookieverse....he hadnt seen his dad in 20 years so right around the early 2000s meaning he was around his early 20s then so maybe around end of camp (for military)service record unclear for military but in season 2 ep 8 hes been police for 12 years
@@JjJ-rz5tv as someone who went through abuse as a kid, some adults don't care/want to see that another adult is abusive. I informed my maternal grandmother that her boyfriend was abusing me and she didn't do anything or ask someone else to stop it. He threw my sister into a dresser and she still didn't get rid of him. He would beat us with a belt. She saw a lot of the abuse, but never did anything to protect us. Whether trying to intervene herself or asking someone else to. 💔
@@Unversed333it's possible writer do a miracle n Tim's father to survive, realizing all his wrongs, season 6 we could see him , surprise to his family to ask forgiveness by side Lucy's parents too..
@@catrachaV4You realize that he was in a hospice. He is literally at his deathbed....and he still regrets nothing.
This scene broke me. This is a fantastic show that I've loved since day 1 but this broke me. The anger and hatred for a parent that's really hard to understand from the outside.
He's said things I wish I couldve said and hearing them outloud brought me to tears.
Let alone the strange grief you feel for someone who should've meant a lot... and somehow does.
I can sadly understand. I saw my biological father mólest my sister for years before another adult finally asked me if he was hurting us and I described in very explicit detail what he was doing. Even though I was a kid, I knew what he was doing was wrong, but I would always forget to try to tell someone what he was doing, until I was finally asked. 💔
@@be1995-r7twell, I hope he has received proper punishment for what he did.
@@Unversed333 he served 13 years in prison, but to me that will never be enough.
@@be1995-r7t Well, in that time, he probably got a taste of his own medicine. No better punishment for sick creeps like that than having to experience the horrific acts that they committed against their victims.
But, that's not important. What is important is the well-being of you and your sister, and that he is no longer in your lives. Have courage to speak up someone is doing something wrong to you or someone you care about. The right people will listen.
The door was open and Lucy was right outside🥲 she heard everything
An abusive parent will teach you one thing.
To never be like them.
Because you don't want anyone to go through what you did.
This scene gave me hope for them! Him showing her being vulnerability shows he’s opening up more. The dads all through our families have been problematic
James ReMar is a great actor. Despite limited screen time he left a mark.
I fully expected tim to say" I didn't need to be strong, I needed to be protected"😢
Kudos to his character for getting fans to absolutely HATE him in just 1 episode. Maybe 2, because we learned about him before Tim went to see him.
I fully expected tim to say" I didn't need to be strong, I needed to be protected"😢
This father doesn't regret anything. He still thinks he was right and had the right to abuse his children. Tim is so right in saying "I hope it hurts."
I don’t recall he abused his daughter, so yeah he believes he made a man out of Tim.
@@kaydens6964no, he did. She just trying her best to move on from it.
@@Unversed333 yes she got therapy but also tim got the worst end of it
But it hurt to hear. I had an excellent relationship with my dad.
@@kaydens6964 his children resent him and he's dying alone. if that doesn't change his mind he's just insane.
"No, I am who I am in SPITE of you!"
Is how I am because of the abuse I went through as a kid. 💔
One of the abusers was my biological father. I'm 28 years old now and it took me 18 years to trust someone else enough to call them "Dad" and that's how long I've known the man that I now call Dad.
“He’ll get judged soon enough.”
Damn that hurt. 😭
Bradford s dad his a hypocrite cause all Eric memories of him is him being an alcoholic and abusive in many ways and Tim never forgot any of it.
We never do. I know Tim is a character on a show, but the truth remains for so many of us.
@@lisarice4402 There are a lot of people who grow up into less-adjusted adults because of the physical and emotional abuse they experience from a parental figure.
Tim was so vulnerable… hes like the Tim test im nothing like him and lucy comforted him. She hates those test but she knows that Tim only did them to help her become a good cop it was malicious or sadistic
First or second episode lucys talking to nolan and she says tim is calculating not cruel... the tim tests are the way he teaches his very first tim test that we saw was I BEEN SHOT BOOT where are you? And she learned her lesson...bc the very next DAY she had that very scene play out in front of her season 3×11 she's jealous he's being nice to his new boot and then he explains.....I had to show you the bad bc you see the good....Barnes only sees the bad so I gotta show her there is good
Also, that no matter how harsh some of the tests were, it was nothing compared to what Tim had to go through.
@@Unversed333Even Jackson success in Tim test easy
@@elbirri Jackson was a little bit more prepared than Lucy. Honestly, Jackson is one step ahead of Tim.
@@Unversed333 i know, his only problem was scared of bullets
2:30 I was like hug him hug! 😢
There's an earlier episode where Lucy blames a civilian for misplacing his kid (there were two children wearing the same costume at a party and he picked up the wrong kid by mistake) and Tim defends the guy, saying 'There's plenty worse than him.' Great foreshadowing for this arc.
Tim also mentioned his scars (the ones that we don't see) is growing up with a dad who tuned him up on the regular. They were planning on Tim's dad being an abusive parent since season 2.
Rapid blinking during the hug...he was crying....saw some rapid blinking during the burial scene(2×11) lucy allows him to be vulnerable
“I hope it hurts” My God 😞
The fact that they share blood does not make them family. He said the right thing
The casting for this was phenomenal
I have never related to Tim more than this very scene
I feel like all the characters are relatable. It's what makes the show so investing. I personally relate with Nolan. Had a father that wasn't there and raised by my mother, who I have become somewhat estranged with in my adult life.
Same 💔
Isn’t this the same guy who played karev’s dad in greys anatomy? He plays abusive drunk dad well.
Yes
He also played Giuseppe Salvatore in Vampire Diaries, AKA Stefan and Damon's dad
@@andresplatas aka abusive drunk dad who beat and burned his sons so they can be men, im seeing a pattern here.
and dexter dad to
He also plays a character on Black Lightning (the adoptive father of Jefferson)
End of the scene, that is a good woman right there.
The way his voice breaks when he says “those don’t make me like him”
And the sigh after Lucy hugs him
He really needed that hug
The amazing acting on this scene!
I have a feeling season 1 bradford was headed down the same/similar path as his father, with all the anger/pain isabel caused him, then when she actually got clean and they divorced he changed to the beloved character he is now with lucys help of course😊
I also feel like he's had an effect on her too. He's toughen her up a bit to stand up to her parents who can't accept her life choices.
Why is it Lucy who helps and comforts him? Where is Ashley?
@@fightinamrah Tim and Ashley broke up in Season 5 episode 5 after Tim's surgery.
@@fightinamrahlol because he likes Lucy more, he was with Ashley when they were cleaning up his old house and even this. Always Lucy ❤
The worst fear that stays with you the rest of your Life when you get abused in any way.. be like him/her somehow 💔😢
Lord he was Alex Karev’s abusive dad too in Greys Anatomy 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Damn this makes me cry hard 😭😭😭😭
"The Tim Tests....those don't make me like him" 😭
In war, the first thing lost... is time. The hours become days, the days tuirn into years and before you know it, one has spent their entire life at war... At war with themselves.
At war with their fathers because they rejected their fathers way of doing things.
Thanks for uploading this scene. It is up to you I could discover a mistake in translation I always wondered about. In this original Tim says "goodbye" to his father - he doesn't want to see him anymore. But in the German translation he says "Auf Wiedersehen" , - what doesn't fit to the situation and to Tims whish "I hope it hurts" Seems to be a KI translation 😂
“No, I am who I am in spite of you.”
This gives the same energy as Morgan’s moment in Criminal Minds.
“No I did that. I pulled myself outta the gutter. All the way to the FBI. I did that.”
2:27 Even though the Tim Tests don’t mean he’s his father, he should definitely understand the slippery slope and how Chen only responded to them because of her own unique parental situation.
2:40 Tim looks like he's about to start crying 💔😭
I only know this show through YT shorts, but I know Tim's father actor. He is Dexter's father and that's the only one I see when I look at him, so this little father-son talk... I don't know it was kind of weird and nice at the same time
"Judged soon enough" does that mean he believes in god or a higher power.
We all get what we deserve in the end.
I guess, without believing in a higher judgement, he would have punished his dad for what he did.
Time will heal all wounds.
I hope you’re right. I really do
Clearly it wasn't for Tim, as he could not bring himself to face his father in years.
I realize now that Tim’s dad is also Karevs
I honestly think Tim’s father is the lesser of two abusive evils here, all things considered, but it still doesn’t make anything he did in the past right.
In terms of the murder? Not really. He let a woman get away with murder instead of calling the cops on her and letting them handle the situation. Now his mistress is going to serve more time than she would have when it first happened.
I always see him as Richard in SaTC.
I did not know the dude who played Tim's father is the same dude who plays *Raiden* in that terrible-ish *Mortal Kombat* movie that came out in 90's and also who plays *Gambi* in the show called *Black Lightning*
I also thought he was the person who plays Alex’s abusive dad in Grey’s Anatomy, but I could be wrong.
@@daniellespeller8402 yea he was
He also plays damon and stefan s dad on tvd
@@justinemissy almost forgot about that.
Also plays Dexter's Dad in the Dexter TV show.
Why are they always so nice? I would have said a few more things of which I know they will hurt him so that he can taste a bit of his own medicine. I am not saying that this is the right way but in this situation I couldn't help myself
Bye dad...I hope it hurts....dude is dying no way around it tim needed to say what he said to gain closure if he went borderline violent with it he would be like his dad...but tim chose the high ground probably bc of his (not yet) girls influence bc he didn't want HER to see him as a monster especially since her comment about the tim tests after she found out the abuse he endured as a kid, the previous shift he needed her to tell him that the tim tests didn't make him like his dad
Maybe Tim's dad was pushing his kids around so that he could get them off his life to have a good time with his mistress.
Almost like "American Murder: The Family Nextdoor" except he didn't kill them.
Damn Ajax you lookin rough.
isnt that alex karevs abusive father too
These comments funny I love it😂
Heeeeeeh it’s the actor that plays gambi
Wow decters dad really came a long way
Dexter's dad.
Didn’t this actor also play Alex Karev’s drunk absent Dad in Greys anatomy?
yep, that's him!! i was hoping someone else noticed it
Damn what happened to Raiden 😂😂
Dexter dad
Ajax? So after prison he didnt go back to Coney
I don't know about American history or laws, but in my country, the right to hit or otherwise physically punish your own kids was removed by law in 1997.
I don't think we have that in the US. Hell, they don't even keep child mólesters in prison. My biological father who is one, only served 13 years. He got jumped twice during his sentence, but is out now living a free life. 😡
Doesn't stop parents from abusing their kids behind closed doors.
I don’t know anything about them as I have never actually watched a whole episode. Every parent wants their kids to grow up strong but using abuse is wrong, there are a lot of ways to make children strong he chose abuse…
Rayden??
I dont recall, did it say what thw abuse was?
Smashed his head into a wall when Tim was 7. Left him at Griffith Park with only a compass to find his way home, which he did.
The first time mentioned him, Tim said his father "tuned" him up on the regular, which he labels as one of his layered scars like Isabel's addiction.
@@be1995-r7tHe also made Isabel cry at their wedding.
Isn’t that Raiden?
Ajax from The Warriors
Why is Tim bringing Tequila to his abusive father? Can anyone please explain this to me?
Yes. Tim's father is dying of cirrhosis of the liver. Alcohol aggravates the situation
Raiden.
Ajax
It is astonishing how quickly Chen passes judgment on other people and their problems. She is arrogant and way too certain of herself. She needs to be taken down several hundred pegs.
What are you talking about?
🤡
What an ungrateful brat of a son. Methods to be punished back that was an ass kickin. It's what society is missing today and why so many people are just POS people today. Lets not act like the kids who parents acted like friends arent ruining society right now
You clearly didn't see the whole story, did you.
He’s been real quiet after the replies 👀
@@Squid_451 He's probably abusive to his family which is why he relates to Tim's dad so well
youve never seen the rookie if you have the nerve to say that.
You clearly have NEVER been abused so you can't relate! Don't judge someone if you don't know what it's like to be ABUSED!! I was for years as a kid and it's NOT fun!😡
That hits hard