Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.2 in Bb. Op.19 (Helmchen)

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  • @AshishXiangyiKumar
    @AshishXiangyiKumar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    MVT I, Allegro con brio
    Exposition I
    00:00 - Theme 1. Opens with two motifs: a march-like dotted descending arpeggio (m.march), followed by a short lyrical phrase (m.lyr). At 0:15, a motif comprising 3 repeated notes following by an upwards slur enters (m.repeat), and at 0:42, a chromatic staggered descent (m.chr). After a shift to Db, there enters
    1:11 - Theme 1*. This sounds like a typical second theme, but is really a variant of (m.lyr). Theme 1 proper returns at 1:45.
    Exposition II
    02:32 - The piano enters with a short 5-note descending melodic fragment in the upper registers (m.frag). The phrases which immediately follow borrow (m.lyr)’s rhythm. The scale at 2:47 references (m.frag), while the orchestral interlude at 2:50 references (m.repeat), by having three emphasised beats on the same note.
    02:57 - Theme 1, in the piano, diverted into (m.repeat - extending the orchestra’s variation on the idea), and modulating. At 3:17, a move to the dominant of F begins.
    03:31 - Theme 2 proper, introducing the second complex. In its 4th measure, a reference to (m.repeat). the closing measures at 3:58 use (m.frag).
    04:09 - Theme 3, cool, ethereal variant of Theme 2, in Db. Its tail contains (m.repeat) at 4:23 in the strings. At 4:29, it radically extends (m.chr), and eventually leads into a running piano passage (5:08) built entirely off an augmented/trimmed (m.frag), until reaching the cadential trill at 5:29.
    05:31 - Theme 1 in F, now tucked into the bass of the tutti.
    Development
    05:56 - The piano enters much as it did in Expo II.
    06:12 - Piano slips into Gm, while (m.lyr) is taken up by the strings.
    06:27 - Theme 1* in Eb. At 6:48, yet another reference to (m.lyr).
    06:51 - (m.repeat) in the woodwinds, interrupted by piano arpeggios.
    07:06 - (m.repeat) now moves into the piano, eventually taking over the texture entirely (7:12).
    07:29 - Theme 3 (recalling 4:16), incorporating a lot of colour by borrowing the iv from the parallel minor.
    07:49 - Dominant prolongation with lots of lovely minor 9th colour, while the orchestra plays (m.march).
    Recapitulation
    07:56 - Theme 1, with the piano entering at (m.repeat). The passage at 8:21 incorporate the piano arpeggios from the development.
    08:39 - Theme 2, in Bb.
    09:16 - Theme 3
    10:40 - Dramatic tutti combining (m.march), (m.repeat), and (m.chr - 10:47) leading to the
    10:59 - Cadenza. Opens with a fughetta based off (m.march), which at 11:33 leads to a dramatic F pedal, over which the RH plays a version of (m.march) which has been stripped down to little more than its dotted rhythm. (m.lyr) enters at 11:44, the LH harmonies under it gradually growing restless and eventually incorporating (m.lyr). Eventually (m.lyr) is presented in augmentation and is joined by its inversion in the LH, creating an intense running passage (12:08). At 12:19 (m.march), now in Eb, enters majestically in the LH, but is quickly diverted into a kaleidoscopic descending passage that drops through the circle of 5ths (12:31). At 12:19 (m.march) asserts itself as a series of double-note broken arpeggios in the RH, the LH rising as the RH falls, before the hands switch roles. At 13:02, a rumbling measured trill on Bb, over which the RH plays counterpoint which combines (m.march) in both its original and augmented forms.
    13:42 - Theme 1 closes.
    MVT II, Adagio
    14:02 - A section.
    15:35 - B section. Not so much a contrasting melody as much as a sort of semi-free figural complex. 16:41 quotes a harmonically modified version of the A theme (A*).
    17:34 - A section. Melody first taken by the woodwinds, until the piano enters at 18:06 at the emotional peak of the melody. The orchestral tutti at 18:19 quotes material from the B section, as do the piano entries which follow. After an lovely passage in triplet semiquavers, we arrive at the
    19:44 - Coda. Begins in a kind of harmonic wilderness, before three ecstatic rising trills (20:01) lead into A*. This builds into a 6/4 which looks like in would lead into a cadenza. Instead - in a wonderful moment which leaps decades ahead to late Beethoven, we get a rapt recitative (20:38), marked “con gran espressione”. The orchestra eventually interpolates the A theme’s opening phrase, which also closes the movement.
    MVT III, Rondo: Molto allegro
    22:42 - Theme, with fun accents in the middle of each beat.
    23:06 - Transition 1.
    23:32 - Episode 1, in F.
    23:58 - Transition 2.
    24:24 - Theme, modulating to Gm.
    24:55 - Episode 2, starting in Gm but wandering through many keys. Very earwormish, and, like the theme, misplaces the accents in the middle of the beat. The orchestral interruptions borrow from Transition 1. At 25:22, having arriving in the remote Bbm, the syncopation is pushed even earlier in the melody, which is now harmonised in thirds notes and joined by sudden counterpoint in the LH (25:27).
    25:45 - Theme.
    26:25 - Episode 1, in Bb.
    27:21 - Theme, returning in a pretty ridiculous way: it’s in the wrong key, and its defining syncopation has been “corrected” so that the accents now fall on the beat. It now sounds meek, or even a bit confused. After a rather tongue-in-cheek modulation the theme finds its footing at 27:31.
    27:39 - Coda, laden with virtuoso figuration. At 28:00 a new closing theme is introduced, built off the second measure of the rondo theme. The piano dies off via an extended double trill, before the orchestra closes.

    • @DavidAnguera
      @DavidAnguera 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wow. Thank you very much. This listening guide is gold. +1 subscribe 👏

    • @shodanart
      @shodanart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is a pretty spectacular explanation of Beethoven’s genius virtuosity and ability to make anything work. Thank you. He’s taking his audience through the majestic, the virtuous, the ridiculous, to the sublime. Confirming he can make anything work.
      In his teens when composing this and 24 when he presented it in Vienna, your analysis allows us a guide through his deep forest of musical capacities and beautiful impossibilities.

    • @mrassassin3963
      @mrassassin3963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      okay you gotta admire the dedication to write all this

    • @yudiwang8533
      @yudiwang8533 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for the anaylsis!! I got so confused between which one is the first and the second theme!!

    • @HikariKrome
      @HikariKrome 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What you called "theme 1*" IS theme 2. And even what you called "theme 3" is also part of theme 2. Notice that "theme 1*" and "theme 3" sound very similar to each other.

  • @AshishXiangyiKumar
    @AshishXiangyiKumar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    00:00 - Mvt 1
    14:01 - Mvt 2
    22:42 - Mvt 3

    • @shodanart
      @shodanart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It is as if one gets a master’s degree of information!

  • @howardchasnoff208
    @howardchasnoff208 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    if Mozart heard this piece he would suddenly realize that this genius is now doing what I do. Just as imaginative and structured. Just as brilliant. At this point Beethoven has taken the baton from Mozart and is going ahead. It's a continuum. Of course what comes later on is very different.

  • @JoUllo-r7d
    @JoUllo-r7d 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Ah! What a beautiful second movement. How musically expressive, and in what an touching way does the piano enter into it, cantabile style.

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    27:13 I love this key change. It reminds me of a similar one at the end of his Piano Sonata No. 3, fourth movement

  • @herbertortiz9159
    @herbertortiz9159 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love the second movement so much. I find it very evocative.

  • @markito3311
    @markito3311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Following your comment, Uchida said that Beethoven's late was all there at the begining of his compositions, that one can hear it already in his first opuses.

  • @gerzonsosa2902
    @gerzonsosa2902 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beautiful Beethoven Concerto for Piano and Orchestra #2.

  • @VanillaSky_11
    @VanillaSky_11 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I like this concert so much ❤️

  • @Anthonyprinciotti
    @Anthonyprinciotti 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Fantastic playing. Every phrase is filled with a persuasive intention, and the left-hand definition is incredibly vivid.

  • @xavierortega742
    @xavierortega742 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow 20:40... he plays in such a marvelous way with the pedal and the resonance 😍

  • @doctorfoster1968
    @doctorfoster1968 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The reason it's called "Number 2" is because it was the second to be published. But it was written before what we now call Number 1.

  • @pianiman
    @pianiman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    20:59 - that A-flat is everything... such poignancy in one stray note (phrase starting 20:38)

  • @timward276
    @timward276 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I like this better than the 1st Concerto, especially the finale, which so joyous and energetic and never fails to put a smile on my face.
    It's not as great as 3, 4, or 5 but that's a pretty damn high bar to clear.

    • @jimwinchester339
      @jimwinchester339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Intereseting - Beethoven himself said something to the effect of it "not being his best".

  • @Bruce.-Wayne
    @Bruce.-Wayne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    There is something very Mozartian about this piece

    • @Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co
      @Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Dan Ordel If you played the first five minutes to someone with basic knowledge of the Classical era and asked them to name the composer, ten to one they'd say Mozart. But then you reach the cadenza a few minutes later and it's so, so Beethoven.

    • @cangjie12
      @cangjie12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Definitely not. The introduction alone is not Mozartean. It is not coherent; it just doesn't flow. And it just sounds strange - musically totally ineffective. Like random bits and pieces cobbled together.

    • @NFStopsnuf
      @NFStopsnuf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      cangjie12 I think what you describe as incoherent is you mislabeling Beethoven’s unique harmonic language and developmental structure. Maybe it is not Mozartian, but that is because it is already Beethoven’s own style, which did wonders for the music world. Give it another listen, with composition, music history, and theory in mind.

    • @prototypeinheritance515
      @prototypeinheritance515 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@NFStopsnuf but that's the point: that it's not mozartean

    • @dukeofcurls3183
      @dukeofcurls3183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co probably because the cadenza was composed years after the rest of the concerto

  • @jimwinchester339
    @jimwinchester339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for the program notes. I've learned many parts of this concerto (roughly half - didn't like the 2nd movement!), and never knew what you stated about it actually being written before #1. It kind of makes more sense this way, since the 3rd movement of #1 presents what is essentially the birth of ragtime as its secondary theme, and I doubt even Beethoven wouldn't start out of the blocks with something like that.

  • @OmarFernandesAly
    @OmarFernandesAly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Marvelous, thank you for this beautiful concerto, precisely interpreted with a valuable score sincronized.

  • @penzio7
    @penzio7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks to you, now I'm listening to his Beethoven Piano Concerto no.1(new released CD). It's amazing! He's so close to my ideal op.15, and especially I love his Beethoven-like dynamic very much. Thank you Kumar!

  • @baconkid640
    @baconkid640 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Love the voicing in the LH @25:27

  • @m.calloway2624
    @m.calloway2624 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Superb performance. And thanks for score.

  • @Schubertd960
    @Schubertd960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    First movement just sounds like a masterclass in 'How to write a Mozartian piano concerto better than Mozart.'
    Also, Schubert's D960 4th movement at 4:31

    • @brianr.3085
      @brianr.3085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Outside of the opening theme, they hardly sound alike. Not in their harmony, the way the themes are developed, or how one section flows to the next. As for which is "better," well, the relationship in this concerto between the soloist and orchestral tutti is considerably dumbed down compared to Mozart's late piano concertos, so I guess that would be considered an improvement for some people.

  • @shodanart
    @shodanart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your explanation of the score is brilliant! Thank you so very much! ❤️

  • @djsuia1265
    @djsuia1265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    24:55 best part

    • @JJ-cl6wh
      @JJ-cl6wh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Truly agreeeeeeeed

  • @MargaretGeorgila
    @MargaretGeorgila 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent !!

  • @JoUllo-r7d
    @JoUllo-r7d 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Beethoven composed this concerto before he decided to break with the strictly classical style which composers such as Mozart and Haydn were obliged to follow according with the wishes of their employers. His compositions gave rise to the romantic period which was adopted by future musicians.

    • @Swaroque
      @Swaroque หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haydn and Mozart has so vastly different styles that you can't compare them together.

    • @JoUllo-r7d
      @JoUllo-r7d หลายเดือนก่อน

      I never said that Haydn and Mozart were similar in style. I only stated that they, like others of the same period, were obliged to compose according to the style dictated by their employers.

    • @JoUllo-r7d
      @JoUllo-r7d หลายเดือนก่อน

      I never said that Haydn and Mozart were similar in style. I only stated that they were obliged to comply with the wishes of their employers when composing. 😊

    • @Swaroque
      @Swaroque หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JoUllo-r7d let me say something. They were fiendishly complex compared to their contemporaries so that their music was derided as difficult and incomprehensible. It may not look so from the standpoint of 21st century, but they went beyond their employer's standards.
      Mozart's minor key works are already more emotionally stronger than many of the Romantics. Also his childhood works like KV 152 and 138 show chromaticism and dissonances which will not be explored until 200 years later. Listen closely. Let's take a simple work, like Mozart's piano Sonata 13. What happens when he enters into the minor key in the second movement ? He already explores harmonies and dissonances which one will expect from Beethoven. Beethoven follows a logic. Mozart puts a lot of contrasting emotions in a single piece of work.

  • @urquisabicalho5047
    @urquisabicalho5047 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    boa tarde A. X. Kumar, na escuta ouvindo. obrigada.

  • @jessielu8235
    @jessielu8235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Congrats on 80k

  • @PEDRO_boaro
    @PEDRO_boaro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:08 Beethoven used that to show his skills to Mozart in 1787... After some years, Beethoven collect somes sketches and made the Cadenza of his Second piano concerto

    • @leonhardeuler6811
      @leonhardeuler6811 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How could you possibly know that?

    • @PEDRO_boaro
      @PEDRO_boaro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@leonhardeuler6811 Because that concerto was made between 1787 and 1789... There isn't trumpets, clarinettes and timpani in this piece, that was very usual in classical concertos. At that time, Beethoven was a promising young man, he played the piano devilishly so that no one could reach him. Mozart praised their extremely fast trills and their exceptional scales. You can find everything that I said in this concerto

    • @leonhardeuler6811
      @leonhardeuler6811 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PEDRO_boaro Where did Mozart praise this concerto? proof?

    • @PEDRO_boaro
      @PEDRO_boaro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@leonhardeuler6811 Mozart praise Beethoven's skills on piano

    • @leonhardeuler6811
      @leonhardeuler6811 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PEDRO_boaro There is literrally no proof Mozart ever heard of this concerto

  • @JJ-cl6wh
    @JJ-cl6wh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    25:23 The first time human being creat this accent

  • @Seungyoun
    @Seungyoun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Exciting!

  • @JoUllo-r7d
    @JoUllo-r7d หลายเดือนก่อน

    🎉Oh Great Beethoven!

  • @gilbertpangyarihan8014
    @gilbertpangyarihan8014 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    אינטרגלקטי מוסמך!🌹

  • @miskatonic3197
    @miskatonic3197 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't understand why that's the least liked of all 5 LVB's piano concerto.

  • @isidoraailic
    @isidoraailic ปีที่แล้ว

    I 00:00
    II 14:02
    III 22:42

  • @shodanart
    @shodanart 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh...7:30 so poignant - So touching.

  • @ulysse__
    @ulysse__ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When is this concerto located in Beethoven's sonata timeline?
    I'm guessing around before Sonata 7-8 or something?
    Before or after Pathethique?

    • @counterpoints_
      @counterpoints_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The bulk of this work is in fact done between 1787 and 1789, with a finale written in 1796, which is about the same time as his first three piano sonatas (Op.2). OP wrote this fact above. I am just pointing out the timeline. Source: Wikipedia.

    • @bradleyscarffpiano2921
      @bradleyscarffpiano2921 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      after. though it may have actually been written before. it is listed as opus 19. while pathetique is opus 13. but again it's difficult to know how long he worked on this piece

    • @tien-linyang3195
      @tien-linyang3195 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@bradleyscarffpiano2921 it's listed op19 only because Beethoven decided to publish it after the first piano concerto. Beethoven himself had performed this concerto no.2 around 1795 in Vienna several times.

    • @bradleyscarffpiano2921
      @bradleyscarffpiano2921 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tien-linyang3195 Thanks for the correction :)

    • @tien-linyang3195
      @tien-linyang3195 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@counterpoints_ The finale written in 1796 was not used in the final publication.

  • @ethansvideos354
    @ethansvideos354 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ms. Adele starts crying in the 108 classroom and Ms. Kubat is a bunny 14:01

  • @ethansvideos354
    @ethansvideos354 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sometimes, when I get to close with my dad and when my dad starts yelling at me and starts to hold me down. In the beginning, I go to my brother Eric and my mother Trang to buy a Disneyland account 14:01

  • @quynhtrangtran8250
    @quynhtrangtran8250 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite part 14:01

  • @mortonbaychestnut4072
    @mortonbaychestnut4072 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmmm... does the fisrt movement cadenza sound a bit like the Hammerklavier? Also B flat major...

  • @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
    @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    23:29

  • @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
    @CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:22 sounds like the Grosse Fugue

  • @quynhtrangtran8250
    @quynhtrangtran8250 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ms. Kubat is a bunny 14:01

  • @CanelonVegano
    @CanelonVegano 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hype

  • @曹诗雨-d2l
    @曹诗雨-d2l 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello. How to get this complete score?

  • @cbwilson2398
    @cbwilson2398 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why does this have three flats, if it is in B flat, which is supposed to have just two?

  • @_kim7271
    @_kim7271 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a plan for uploading No.3?

  • @quynhtrangtran8250
    @quynhtrangtran8250 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Big Laugh Phan 14:01

  • @Max-qd3rb
    @Max-qd3rb ปีที่แล้ว

    28:29 the pianist is playing here? i thought it was a tutti part

    • @jackfusco5232
      @jackfusco5232 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was a common practice in the 18th century for the soloist to play throughout all the tutti sections of the concerto by realising the bass line.

  • @bmgrooh
    @bmgrooh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the cadenza you will find the origin of the "rag" in opus 111

  • @hyunjinso1380
    @hyunjinso1380 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who composed Cadenza? I don't think Beethoven wrote it.

    • @em8714
      @em8714 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Beethoven did later on in life. He style changed a lot between composing the concerto and the cadenza

  • @handledav
    @handledav ปีที่แล้ว +1

    u

  • @sarshlyx
    @sarshlyx ปีที่แล้ว

    2:22

  • @lotharklein1896
    @lotharklein1896 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ist das von J.S.Bach oder von Mozart?🤔

  • @RicAbapo
    @RicAbapo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whose cadenza is this?

    • @APotatoWT
      @APotatoWT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Beethoven. But he did it later on in life. His style changed a lot.

  • @lucasdelliosiv7493
    @lucasdelliosiv7493 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Although I really love Beethoven, I have to say that this piece bores me beyond death. I've been open minded, I've listened to it 8 times by now, but the more I listen to it, the more it bores me...

    • @lennynicotra5883
      @lennynicotra5883 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What’s a piece by Beethoven that does not bore you? Besides the obvious ones (his 3rd, moonlight sonata, 9th, etc...)

    • @lucasdelliosiv7493
      @lucasdelliosiv7493 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lennynicotra5883 Apassionata, Pathetique Sonata, Waldstein Sonata, Hammerklavier Sonata, Sonata No. 32, Concertos no 3, 4, 5, and the 5th symphony. Just to name a few off the top of my head.

    • @Lordran__
      @Lordran__ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lucasdelliosiv7493 Do you still find it boring?

    • @lucasdelliosiv7493
      @lucasdelliosiv7493 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Lordran__ Yes

    • @em8714
      @em8714 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lucasdelliosiv7493 even the second movement? I can understand not enjoying the first movement and maybe even the third but the second is amazing. Then again I did play this concerto so my view on it might be different.

  • @mariostangoni2154
    @mariostangoni2154 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:24

  • @apug296
    @apug296 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:59

  • @ethansvideos354
    @ethansvideos354 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ms. Kubat is a bunny 14:01

  • @ethannguyen9257
    @ethannguyen9257 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    14:01

  • @calebhu6383
    @calebhu6383 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:21

  • @quynhtrangtran8250
    @quynhtrangtran8250 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    14:01