I’m a Goth and I like ethereal wave, I love horror, my favorite type of horror is dark fantasy which is a sub genre of fantasy which combines horror or gothic elements with fantasy elements which I know is part of the subculture. I love being Goth because I am fascinated with the macabre and I love witches. My favorite fairy tale is Hansel and Gretel.
I see the appreciation of gnarly sights as an empathy test. It teaches me to separate, the outside look of a person from the deeper emotional and insider look. Dead bodies make me feel incredibly sorrowful. I also have a conceptual philosophical idea of partners sharing their blood literally. I think it's such a deep way to connect with someone. To me it's proof that the person is ready to live with me unconditionally. I am absolutely fascinated by this concept. I don't know if anyone else ever hypothesised it.
I'm in awe. Your descriptions touched me deeply. You hit the nail on the head (pardon the pun) LOL. Listening to you is music to my ears. Sometimes I find myself wishing non-Goths would understand and get it.
The “embracing of darkness” (whatever one chooses to call it) makes one raw. It is seen in the mainstream as something that people hide behind. For some that is the truth. For me I am so naked, so free, and so content when I am pursuing this macabre… thing (I am not comfortable with the word lifestyle). Pretentious is a word I get from many not within the subculture. But I believe you did a great job explaining that there are depths within this fascination. As always, thank you for sharing.
I really appretiated this video! I also watched the one about goth lifestyle and I answer to them both here. First of all, I want to congratulate for your kind and respectful way of exposing your arguments! If everyone were like this, our world would be a better place! Now to the actual answer: I'm not goth, nor "alternative" in any way, but I happen to be fascinated by the existence of theese different alternative subcultures. I don't personally shere your point of view, expecially about the macabre aspect (wich actually repells me, I fear it all), but I see your point, I deeply enjoied listening to your opinion and now I can understand much better how all this goth "thing" is actually a lifestyle. It's not just a matter of tastes, but a way of watching life and facing emotions. Never before I've ever found someone so accurate as you in theese explanations: the other videos I found online are just about the "we are not satanists" thing, wich is ok, of course, but doesn't really focus on what goth IS. So thankyou, really thankyou for theese two videos! Ps. Sorry for any grammatical mistake, English is not my mothertongue.
Temporality can be equated to illusion. All matter is temporary, the soul is not matter, and is eternal, experiencing illusion, mainly of suffering. Again and again. To me, one can see beauty in any illusion, or vice versa.
The struggle of humans inner morality is something that fascinates me as well. Reading through Nietzsche, De Sade, Voltaire, and Baudelaire then taking their ideals and observing modern, American society had become somewhat of an obsession. The vast difference in the moral philosophies of old compared to ours today is quite intriguing or maybe its just me..... P.S: Had I not liked the video before I would have been smashing the like button when Dead Can Dance started playing.
I like how you differentiated between being a fan of horror as not being the same as the macabre. While many goths enjoy horror, enjoying horror doesn't make one goth. Very well said!
I wouldn't necessarily consider myself goth, and I certainly don't dress the part, but I do share many interests with those within the goth culture. I've always wondered why I have a natural propensity towards much darker forms of music or art. I consume massive doses of black metal and death metal on a daily basis, I am fascinated by the occult and read about it frequently, I am a horror junkie and my phone is riddled with pictures I've taken of roadkill and dismembered animals (that were killed humanely). In my attempt to explain my unorthodox fascinations I came to the conclusion that I might be something of an emotional masochist since I revel in the feelings of terror, sadness, melancholy and existential dread that are invoked when indulging in such dark aesthetics. But when looking into it further I concluded that my dark fascinations may be much healthier than I thought - they could be derived from a subconscious desire to obtain cathartic experiences in order to purge myself of repressed emotions. That could be one of many psychological explanations for a pursuing interest in the macabre. But I also feel that it has much deeper, more philosophical implications, and that is something I still brood over.
I personally watch and find myself intrigued by many horror movies. Too the point I can debate horror theories and icons with just about anyone. But as you know Count, I'm not goth nor consider myself to be so. I find myself drawn and fascinated with the chaos of it all. A good horror movie will raise your pulse and either have you thrilled or scared. Though I understand what you're talking about, death is indeed one of the few absolutes in life.
First thing i bought at start of covid19... a leather pest doctor mask for the parcel shelf of my car... macabre... yeees... but I am what I am, and I like the macabre.... and what else are the modern masks today, than a newer, sometime not even better version, of this pandemic utility. Its a very macabre time... the stories of the old pandemic periodes have come true... thank god, that we live in this modern times, maybe in the right country and/ore with the right people, so that we have much better chance to go through it very well. But its still interesting thinking about it... what if the macabre come true... like in this times.... its not the same than before?! Aaand at last... now nearly whole society cant look and flee away from it. What do you think about in this context?
I like Gothic literature elements and suspense that isn't drawn out, but generally hate Horror and excessive gore. A part of it is that I don't care for helpless protagonists and villains that are untouchable "just because". Even though Goth arguably has nothing to do with any form of Satanism other than darker aesthetic, Judeo-Christianity has a lot of roots in Western culture, and it adds a forbidden flair to anything under the umbrella of poetic darkness.
Thank you for your thought provoking words!
Great background music Arcana haven't listen to them for ages. Was on goths paradise complitation.
I’m a Goth and I like ethereal wave, I love horror, my favorite type of horror is dark fantasy which is a sub genre of fantasy which combines horror or gothic elements with fantasy elements which I know is part of the subculture. I love being Goth because I am fascinated with the macabre and I love witches. My favorite fairy tale is Hansel and Gretel.
I see the appreciation of gnarly sights as an empathy test. It teaches me to separate, the outside look of a person from the deeper emotional and insider look. Dead bodies make me feel incredibly sorrowful.
I also have a conceptual philosophical idea of partners sharing their blood literally. I think it's such a deep way to connect with someone. To me it's proof that the person is ready to live with me unconditionally. I am absolutely fascinated by this concept. I don't know if anyone else ever hypothesised it.
I love the collar on your shirt
I'm in awe. Your descriptions touched me deeply. You hit the nail on the head (pardon the pun) LOL. Listening to you is music to my ears. Sometimes I find myself wishing non-Goths would understand and get it.
The “embracing of darkness” (whatever one chooses to call it) makes one raw. It is seen in the mainstream as something that people hide behind. For some that is the truth. For me I am so naked, so free, and so content when I am pursuing this macabre… thing (I am not comfortable with the word lifestyle). Pretentious is a word I get from many not within the subculture. But I believe you did a great job explaining that there are depths within this fascination. As always, thank you for sharing.
I really appretiated this video! I also watched the one about goth lifestyle and I answer to them both here.
First of all, I want to congratulate for your kind and respectful way of exposing your arguments! If everyone were like this, our world would be a better place!
Now to the actual answer: I'm not goth, nor "alternative" in any way, but I happen to be fascinated by the existence of theese different alternative subcultures. I don't personally shere your point of view, expecially about the macabre aspect (wich actually repells me, I fear it all), but I see your point, I deeply enjoied listening to your opinion and now I can understand much better how all this goth "thing" is actually a lifestyle. It's not just a matter of tastes, but a way of watching life and facing emotions.
Never before I've ever found someone so accurate as you in theese explanations: the other videos I found online are just about the "we are not satanists" thing, wich is ok, of course, but doesn't really focus on what goth IS. So thankyou, really thankyou for theese two videos!
Ps. Sorry for any grammatical mistake, English is not my mothertongue.
Very interesting video
Temporality can be equated to illusion. All matter is temporary, the soul is not matter, and is eternal, experiencing illusion, mainly of suffering. Again and again. To me, one can see beauty in any illusion, or vice versa.
The struggle of humans inner morality is something that fascinates me as well. Reading through Nietzsche, De Sade, Voltaire, and Baudelaire then taking their ideals and observing modern, American society had become somewhat of an obsession. The vast difference in the moral philosophies of old compared to ours today is quite intriguing or maybe its just me.....
P.S: Had I not liked the video before I would have been smashing the like button when Dead Can Dance started playing.
Agreed, my wife is Goth and she won't watch anything horror related.
I like how you differentiated between being a fan of horror as not being the same as the macabre. While many goths enjoy horror, enjoying horror doesn't make one goth. Very well said!
I wouldn't necessarily consider myself goth, and I certainly don't dress the part, but I do share many interests with those within the goth culture. I've always wondered why I have a natural propensity towards much darker forms of music or art. I consume massive doses of black metal and death metal on a daily basis, I am fascinated by the occult and read about it frequently, I am a horror junkie and my phone is riddled with pictures I've taken of roadkill and dismembered animals (that were killed humanely). In my attempt to explain my unorthodox fascinations I came to the conclusion that I might be something of an emotional masochist since I revel in the feelings of terror, sadness, melancholy and existential dread that are invoked when indulging in such dark aesthetics. But when looking into it further I concluded that my dark fascinations may be much healthier than I thought - they could be derived from a subconscious desire to obtain cathartic experiences in order to purge myself of repressed emotions. That could be one of many psychological explanations for a pursuing interest in the macabre.
But I also feel that it has much deeper, more philosophical implications, and that is something I still brood over.
That was poetry my friend!
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rock on CountDraken rock on
I personally watch and find myself intrigued by many horror movies. Too the point I can debate horror theories and icons with just about anyone. But as you know Count, I'm not goth nor consider myself to be so. I find myself drawn and fascinated with the chaos of it all. A good horror movie will raise your pulse and either have you thrilled or scared. Though I understand what you're talking about, death is indeed one of the few absolutes in life.
Living is the next thing to dying we must live together has 1 and and loving one another 🖤☠️🎩
First thing i bought at start of covid19... a leather pest doctor mask for the parcel shelf of my car... macabre... yeees... but I am what I am, and I like the macabre.... and what else are the modern masks today, than a newer, sometime not even better version, of this pandemic utility. Its a very macabre time... the stories of the old pandemic periodes have come true... thank god, that we live in this modern times, maybe in the right country and/ore with the right people, so that we have much better chance to go through it very well. But its still interesting thinking about it... what if the macabre come true... like in this times.... its not the same than before?! Aaand at last... now nearly whole society cant look and flee away from it. What do you think about in this context?
I like Gothic literature elements and suspense that isn't drawn out, but generally hate Horror and excessive gore. A part of it is that I don't care for helpless protagonists and villains that are untouchable "just because". Even though Goth arguably has nothing to do with any form of Satanism other than darker aesthetic, Judeo-Christianity has a lot of roots in Western culture, and it adds a forbidden flair to anything under the umbrella of poetic darkness.
Great video, subed ;)