Just a heads up: There is already a follow up video I made with some realizations and breakthroughs that will go up in a day or two since it's shorter, but I feel very concise.
What if it's less about directly infusing something with souls or being bound to a specific body. What if it's just the location? I mean, we know that the same location is used for multiple incidents, right? Is it possible that the reason that fnaf 6 didn't work is because the soles went on to haunt the very location itself?
im 99% sure that line is alluding to the completionist ending, and basically giving a hint towards it and saying that that is the true ending, and thats what we need to do to finish the game
Actually really like this theory. MoltenMCI has always just been so weird to me. Like, no matter which way you try to work it, it's really awkward and convoluted. This is at least a bit more clear cut and simple to understand. That said, my gut feeling is that neither of these is quite right. This is just a suspicion and I have absolutely no evidence for it, but it just feels like the answer is based around some weird quirk of Scott's universe - like, the whole idea that you can play FNAF World and somehow that sets up Happiest Day. Something like that. I just get the feeling there's some rule like that he has in mind but hasn't sufficiently explained. But again, that's just a hunch. Honestly I'm totally cool with this explanation :3 MoltenMCI or whatever the "correct" answer is does feel like one of those things I wish we'd get a Dittophobia like answer to. Like, none of this ten layers of abstraction stuff, just flat out explain it. It feels like one of the few pieces of old Fnaf (pre-UCN) lore that is still a little unclear.
I think Sammy Emily is the real entity behind the "William Afton" persona, in fnaf3 and fnaf6, and he literally stole the souls of William Afton and the MCI victims. It also makes more sense when you consider that Shadow Freddy (a ghost) was the tool used to lure the MCI children to William, which indirectly leads William Afton to Springtrap.
bro i swear Scott or steel wool have to confirm some things at this point or we're gonna keep questioning our FOUNDATION. not related to this but still, excited to watch the video
i love this suggestion honestly. especially with the whole keeping afton alive part; we really never get a definitive answer to HOW he stays alive, i've always just seen it as basically his soul possessing the suit/his own corpse (or something something agony blahblahblah), but i think this idea is pretty solid as an alternative. and if we can use the silver eyes as evidence for moltenmci, why can't we use fazbear frights as evidence for this theory? 🤷🏻♂️ fairs fair
@@southerncoastproductions7587 lmao the gall to suggest i haven't been inhaling every single piece of information from this series like an autistic kirby for the past 9 years. enlighten me then o fuckin wise one
@@ediblefredible Wdym definitive? The MCI itself is already definitive proof that that's the case. The MCI kids were put inside the animatronics, they possessed them. William died inside of Springbonnie, he possesses him. That's just straight up logic. I seriously don't get why people try to find justifications of Afton's possession, when the series itself already gives a solid awnser.
I cant believe i didnt realized the mci victims being in the funtimes doesnt make sense if fnaf 1 were to happen after sister location until this video
Your mention of the log book relating to sister locations placement in the timeline is a very interesting and underutilized point actually, I'd love to see people discussing this more often
The 5 kittens aren't put in the snake. 1 is. Snakes eat one thing at a time and take a while to digest it, and the story never specifies more than one kitten was put in the snake's cage.
FINALLY someone who understands that the Insanity Ending is CLEARLY talking about the original five children and the FNaF 3 mini games. Now we just need someone to make this next theory: Happiest Day takes place during the FFPS fire. We know Fredbear’s, Happiest Day, FFPS, and Security Puppet are all at the same location cause of connections that can be made between all the minigames and events. Happy Frog and Pigpatch and the other mediocre Melodies appear in Happiest Day. And Henry says “it’s time to rest for YOU and THOSE YOU CARRIED IN YOUR ARMS”, and shows the Give Gifts mini game on screen. So shouldn’t that mean he’s putting the soul of The Puppet as well as the souls of the children SHE carried in HER arms (the original characters) to rest? The only one that fails is Golden Freddy, which would explain why Golden Freddy is still haunted and tormenting William, unable to move on, and where the heck Golden Freddy’s spirit was the whole time.
HungryMCI, which is springtrapMCI but instead of the kids attaching to springtrap, william eats their remnant after he gets srpinglocked which explains why he never dies even after being a corpse and getting burnt twice up until UCN
I think what he means When Henry says they're used for a purpose, he thought unimaginable he might be referring to The fact of the animatronics are now killers. Don't forget they do get a little quirky at night and seem to have straight up killed phone guy in the first game
more words than Prankster inbound: 3:12 The Fourth Closet would have been actually written alongside the development of FFPS, so I'm obviously inclined to think that it's more relevant than to FFPS than Frights just from that alone. 4:23 Henry's speech goes, "As if what he had already done wasn't enough... As if the suffering wasn't enough..." When he says "As if the suffering wasn't enough--the loss of innocence, the loss of everything to so many people..." he's reiterating what he just said in the sentence immediately before. So "the loss of innocence, the loss of everything to so many people" is not something that happened after "he found a new way desecrate, to humiliate, to destroy." He found a new way to desecrate, to humiliate, to destroy, as if the suffering wasn't enough--the loss of innocence, the loss of everything to so many people. Since "the loss of everything to so many people" is obviously talking about the MCI, him finding a "new way to desecrate, to humiliate, to destroy" happens *after* the MCI. 4:40 I've said this in response to your RockstarMCI video, but the line "now *set* to new purpose, and *used* in ways I never thought imaginable" is *clearly* in the passive voice. The spirits are *being set* to new purpose and *being used.* This cannot refer to them *setting themselves* to a new purpose and *using themselves.* Someone (or something) else is setting them to a new purpose and using them for those things. Grammer matters. 8:15 I don't understand the point of asking the question "What makes one theory better than another when it's not obvious?" The answer is ironically obvious, as any person could tell you: the theory with greater evidence/arguments for it and less against it. If what you're really trying to say is "What makes one theory better than another when *they're on equal footing?",* then the answer is also obvious: neither of them is better, because they're on equal footing. If one of them actually *is* better, then the problem is with claiming they're on equal footing when they aren't (e.g. this video). Your biggest arguing point in these videos is preemptively framing all FFPS MCI theories as basically on the same footing, so that you can make usually secondary matters like narrative simplicity more important than they actually are. 8:33-9:13 is ironic. Yes, that's very intuitive and doesn't involve retcons or *any* implications to be made and *definitely happens on screen.* 9:15 "It's not really worth explaining as much as the entire remnant injection plotline." You're right. It's simpler, and a whole remnant injection plotline would need more explaining. Which is why the remnant injection plotline *was* explained with Henry's Insanity speech and the literal *"REMNANT INJECTOR"* of the SCUP (Scooper). 9:31 This is what I mean when I say you're giving usually minor matters too much priority. The amount of "homework" to do to come to a theory is *not that important* and not a good judge of how correct a theory is. 9:55 Again with erroneously putting all theories on equal footing: The existence of multiple theories to explain something in no way makes them equal. If two theories explain a plot point and "accomplish the same thing," but one does so half as convincingly as the other, that doesn't really mean much, does it? 10:20 Why would I consider a canon concept to be a plot hole? The same book series you're trying to use to prove SpringtrapMCI features soul-splitting. That is a very crappy line to draw with MoltenMCI. I find it very strange that you always take such issue with the concept of soul-splitting. From the arguments you're making, it seems like you really just want to put theories in limbo and that you hold disdain for theories that people proclaim to be canon, with your entire goal being to conclude, "See? Maybe it's not true." In your RockstarMCI theory, you finished with saying that it didn't matter if there was some fatal flaw with RockstarMCI you didn't see, you just cared to prove that there were valid alternatives to MoltenMCI (even though the video wouldn't have proved any "valid" alternatives if there *were* a fatal flaw with RockstarMCI). It seems less like you're convinced in any of the alternatives that you bring up and more that you just loathe MoltenMCI.
Probably the biggest problem with the current state of fnaf channels is that everyone is constantly trying to come up with crazy theories that uproot widely accepted Canon just for content or to stir the pot. So hard to take these guys seriously when they nitpick wording like somehow everyone else has comprehension issues and they alone can see the truth
Honestly I think the best case for MoltenMCI is to take things at face value. Scott isn’t a perfect writer and combined fnaf’s overbloated lore, he’s bound to make inconsistencies. So instead of trying to mash seperate pieces of media together, I think it’s better actually look at what FNAF 6 (the one he apprears in) was trying to say about Molten Freddy and the MCI kids. During FNAF six’s insanity ending, the computer states that Molten Freddy has the most collective remnant and that his procurement is a crucial element to henry’s plan. During that very same scene, we hear Henry’s voice log talk about how the missing children are still trapped and that he needs to call them back. So we know that the missing children are intended to burn in Henry’s flame and that Molten Freddy has the most souls. Plus we know these facts are in some way linked because they were both established in close proximity to each other. So unless the funtimes killed half a dozen kids that we don’t know about, the MCI kids were most likely INTENDED to be in Molten Freddy.
you see i have a problem believing that the funtimes *didn't* kill half a dozen random kids -- that's literally their purpose and we know william has a bunch of remnant in the scooper anyway
I never got this argument. Why would William build animatronics to capture and kill children more effectively than he could ever have been himself and not used them? It's not like after Elizabeth died they were retired, the rental facility was still operational for years afterwards, we even saw a schedule for them in the lead up to the game's release. Just because we don't get the chance to learn who those children were doesn't invalidate their existence either.
@@calmcat5377 That is not mutually exclusive? Like there being other kids in there(I def believe that) does not mean the MCI kids cannot be in there. It just means there are other kids in there.
@@calmcat5377 Well, that's the catch: We really dont KNOW if they were ever used That Way, aside from the day Elizabeth died. The Scooper? Honestly, probably slathered a bit of the MCI on it/stored them in there at one point. They were PLANNED to kill children yes, but Circus Baby's Pizza World was also planned to open too, then unforseen consequences happened, and he shut it down :V
I think part of the problem you fall into with Henry's secret speech is that the speech wasn't made with the sole purpose of confirming MoltenMCI. It talks about what is Henry's role in the lore of this game and then says some things that (at least for me) kinda confirm MoltenMCI. That's why there's lines like "I have to call all of them together in one place" which obviously isn't talking about any MCI theory, because it's talking about all the scrap animatronics being lured in the pizzeria. But there's also lines like "little souls trapped in machines of my own making, now set to new purpose, and being used in ways I never thought imaginable" which does confirm MoltenMCI to an extent at least, since it's literally saying that the souls are now being used, which can't be explained by ScraptrapMCI since in that theory the souls are haunting William willingly, but in MoltenMCI they are not.
I don't think he's talking about the souls being used, based on the context it's more likely (at least as I read it) that the suits of Henry's making are being used in ways he never thought imaginable as I say in the video.
@@siresquawks Though he literally says it "tiny little souls, were trapped in machines, are set to new purpose, and now are being used" Just for the grammatical order that he puts it, the souls are the subject. He doesn't divert to talk about the actual "machines of my own making" he says the souls are/were: 1. "trapped in machines" 2. "set to new purpose" 3. "being used" Just for grammar, this means he's talking about the souls. That they are being used.
@@nadie887 i think that the "tiny little souls, were trapped in machines, are set to new purpose, and now are being used" referers to mci kids in funtimes tbh, it just makes snese imo
@@Soundwqveknight exactly, and that's MoltenMCI. It's talking about the MCI souls because he literally said "tiny little souls, trapped in machines of my own making" meaning those souls were once trapped in the OGs. It's the MCI kids trapped in the funtimes now.
i feel like SL was proof that we dont need an MCI for every seemingly-aware set of animatronics. Afton was ahead of his time, im sure he was able to cook up a rudimentary AI
I like Molten MCI only because it gives "meaning" and "purpose" to the SL bunker experiments and supports more of the thematic idea that FNAF is a story about the supernatural and the sci-fi smashing into each other. To me it makes for a more interesting story to say a mentally deranged man with a robotics background discovers something supernatural on accident and then intentionally begins implementing/building things to interact with the supernatural element. The idea that he then creates a twisted self-justification then for killing (something I suspect he already had in him; Charlie being the evidence of that) and is driven more and more into madness chasing this idea just... Makes for a better story, to me. Because then you have Henry Emily; this guy who knows the bad man but is sane and moral and wants to make things "right" eventually. I just feel like if it's Springtrap MCI that makes UCN less impactful; UCN to me is like everyone finally having the chance to whale on their killer. If they were attached to him prior to then all burning up and being freed from their physical bodies to then attack him... I don't know, just, feels weird to me.
>discovers something supernatural on accident Not ONLY The Supernatural... The motherfucking HOLY GRAIL of Science. Immortality, something an untold number of people, high and low, have died and killed for. Philosopher's Stone. Mercury Elixirs. Fountain of Youth. etc etc Except this isnt a mere whiff or rumor of it, it's right there, with REAL proof in action. One he finds is reproductible. >UCN to me is like everyone finally having the chance to whale on their killer. I kinda fall in the camp of "it's just him and TOYSHNK", it's using his Past to torment him. Everything he's done, everyone he's wronged, even his own past. I also fall under the "FNAF 6 Fire didnt work" group too :V
I got a crazy Take. What if the true answer is a mix of BOTH ideas? Hear me out now. It does involve a little bit of Soul Splitting. If we take the idea of William destroying the OG animatronics and melt them down to remnant. He inject the Funtimes with Remnants but in a sort of experiment for immortality. William ALSO injected HIMSELF WITH REMNANT. To see if it can extend his life. And let say in a way it’s does but also gets half the MCI spirits attached to him. While the other half are inside the Funtimes. You see where I am going with this? Does this works for anyone? If you see issues with it, just politely let me know and we can talk.
Interesting... joining the conversation, I thought of this. So, right from the games, without using knowledge of the books: In SL the SCUP is used on the animatronics which leads to one entity being Ennard. In between, through the website code and other teasers, you learn "Ennard" kicks Baby out of the entity In Fnaf 6 you find the blueprints of the SCUP, learning that it injects Remnant. It also confirms that it's 100% those 3 funtimes. Another thing it mentions is that fire should work, so it alludes to a situation where it may have been applied. Listening to candy cadet's story helps enforce that's what happened. Since Scott was telling a story through phrases and conversations, most of them wont seem natural. That said, I believe when Henry mentions "Luring them all back", he's just telling you, the player, the plot of the game. They're all showing up in the alleyway, because of his plan. You can derive that the souls where injected into the funtimes as the blueprints seems to say "This was the plot of SL". All of that said, you do need to know what Remnant is and that is only described in the book.
I've been dealing with one of these issues: The location of Golden Freddy, everyone says is just a spiritual manifestation of Freddy/Cassidy/CC but we know from this logbook that there is indeed a physical springlock Golden Freddy suit but NO ONE can't tell where is it and i think as long that suit is out there, Cassidy can't move on and William won't die because of this.
9:36 I think what might, MIGHT, say which one is more trustworthy is when the books themselves came out. I don't know about Silver Eyes, but the Fazbear Frights series came out a while after, seemingly to help us piece together the lore from FNAF simulator and before. However, this is more so speculation and isn't really solid.
Phone guy does not say they are mostly crappy cosplays. His line suggests the people organizing the attraction have found at least one crappy cosplay, possibly more, but it does not mean most of the maks are crappy cosplays, especially since they are the same 3d model and seem to be the same masks seen in the bad ending. Also, or at least I heard, according to Tales, apparently a fake wall was put in the saferooms, one that only opens from the outside. Which I think is why Springtrap gets for thirty years. No one suddenly went back to the location years later to lock Afton in the saferoom, the door just got shut and oopsie. Interesting video. If we want to do extremely absurd amounts of soul-splitting, ever thought about how both SpringtrapMCI and MoltenMCI could be canon at the same time?
>Also, or at least I heard, according to Tales, apparently a fake wall was put in the saferooms, one that only opens from the outside. Which I think is why Springtrap gets for thirty years. No one suddenly went back to the location years later to lock Afton in the saferoom, the door just got shut and oopsie. ...that WOULD honestly explain that plot hole, damn.
My headcannon was that the MCI came in with Charlie, the DCI came in with William, and the experiment victims came in with Funtime Freddy- minus the bite victim (and maybe another one omitted) that stuck with Micheal to keep him alive after the Scooping. Anyway, this is what is going in my comic. In the context of "which is true?" I agree, as long as we get from point A to B, it doesn't really matter. In fact, I would go so far as to say with small stuff like this Scott purposefully wrote it as 'it could go one of two ways' as it is his style.
I think Mike is writing in the log book during fnaf 1, which considering he's already been through SL still makes springtrap MCI more plausible than molten MCI.
@@Cian-A-Jones It's definitely 100% absolutely the FNAF 3 office specifically. It's a brand new location that was built in an Amusement Park as a walk-through horror house/museum of sorts, as per the intro newspaper (Coming Soon) + Phone Dude's dialogue. Unless an Amusement park just happened to spring up around an abandoned rotting building over 40~ years until Phone Dude renovated it heavily?
@@higueraft571 phone dude seems like the guy to recreate an office from an old location, one that just so happens to be in the logbook that creepy purple skin man had.
@@Cian-A-Jones MAYBE? Although this relies on "Oh there happened to be a location LIKE FNAF 3's, but ONLY for the Guard Office", which is kinda odd. Especially since none of the locations we know about would reasonably have such a layout. It even has the same box of Toy masks, Bonnie's Guitar, and FNAF 1 posters too. It's a bit grimier, and MAYBE possibly the desk is a different color? (Although that could be the green lighting making it look more grey-green here), and the lightbulb at the top is missing. It definitely seems like a stretch to assume it's just "modeled after another location", with everything nearly exactly 1:1...
A note for Rockstar MCI, FNAF Special Delivery did have a un-used thing about Original Bonnie & Rockstar Bonnie being conneted, but again it was Unused (and seeing what happened with FNAF AR, It's uncertain with the intent of it)
Huh, I always thought that Cassidy was just "forgotten", left to rot in a unmovable animatronic suit with Evan until Henry was able to burn them all down. Like the reason that Cassidy tormented William to the point where it was obsessive was because she was forgotten by everyone, including the person who was suppose to "save" everyone. Probably just me being dumb tho ngl
I like the concept, but in a UCN line she says “they tried to burn us” Which means that she wasn’t forgotten. I think her vengefulness is more so out of being stuck in a spring lock suit
@@qualitytimewithted5160 yeah that honestly makes more sense, I just got confused because of that one cutscene in Ucn where the golden Freddy suit was shaking aggressively while the camera zoomed out.. it gave off the feeling of "one was missing" vibe if that makes sense? As if she was left behind or stayed behind in her iron prison while everyone else she knew was gone. It made more sense in my head but thinking about it now.. Scott probably wouldn't have taken that direction tbh
@@Lustfullynova >it gave off the feeling of "one was missing" vibe if that makes sense? More "I'm still here", it's a direct copy (if reversed) of the FNAF 3 teaser. But yeah, i suspect the Enragement Child is 100% still kicking even in Ruin, William certainly was already... >evan (do note this isnt a canon name at all, it's a fanon name, "Greg/Greggory" or "Garrett" are likely much more "canon" :V)
Btw, I do hope you get that Shattered Elizabeth theory done because I like hearing a variety of different theories so I can compare and derive ideas from them, possibly allowing me to try and form my own derivative theory.
The possible problem with Shattered Elizabeth is the fact that Baby is kicked out of Ennard between SL and FFPS. Who would kick her out if it was all Elizabeth (pun not intended)? That means that (unless there is some other explanation to this) Shattered Elizabeth would have to coincide with some other possesion of the Funtimes
ShatterElizabeth has the funtimes as different pieces of Elizabeth's personality, the majority of her hates William, but one part still loves and looks up to him.
Before now I was quite dismissive of SpringtrapMCI but this video got me reconsidering. It is actually quite an interesting theory and really does remind me of the Man in Room 1280 as you said. I mean hey if he can do it maybe the other ghost kids wanted in on the action. It also puts a nice bow on the story. Afton's final defeat and destruction also comes with the added bonus of freeing the children which I do like as I find it a bit hard to imagine any of the spirits calling it quits if the mouldy mfer is still wandering the earth in any form.
That actually makes sense from the story perspective Serial killer has souls of his victims as part of him If Frights are canon to games that would also fix Andrew's character or at least make his character way less random
This may be silly but maybe henry didnt know they were all combined into molten freddy, springtrap, or whatever else floats your boat so he wants to gather them all back while still thinking that they are individuals and not a combined character
BB the true mastermind behind the murders, he tampered with the animatronics in fnaf 2, he is the MIMIC... he wore the spring bonnie suit and slaughtered the kiddies because Daddy issues go RAH RAH RAH...
Tbh I do like the idea of Springtrap MCI for many reasons. From being shown on screen and deriving from a more recent, less nonsensical book series, to the SL timeline problems it just feels more well built than Molten MCI.
What if Mike never really returned the logbook and kept it until sister location? The problem there being both a why and a how did Fazbear Entertainment get it back. The why seems simple enough - if Mike realises that the reworked text is somehow related to his brother, it would make sense for him to want to keep it. The how Fazbear Entertainment got it back (or even why it would be given to a next guard assuming the FNaF 1 pizzeria is closed by the time SL happens) is......... A hope I don't think anyone can fill.
im still not sure why you think William using the remnant to have the funtimes harvest more remnant is a plothole or logistical hole when you get a valuable resource it tends to be used to get more of that resource instead of being instantly spent on a vanity project, if that wasn't the case we never would've discovered that iron breaks rocks good because we would've used it for "ooh shiny" instead of tools also, the "Super Soul Splitting" section about needing two 100% whole souls existing simultaneously just summarizes my issues with VanessaPrincess perfectly lol
I feel like we could argue that, whatever soul splitting the main four went through, Cassidy could have simply... Not? Like, I've been on the possibility that Golden Freddy isn't really a real suit, so it could be that Cassidy can shapeshift (?) Also, I'm wondering if William wanted to have the remnant of Golden Freddy, would it have been used for Yendo?
I mean, I feel like we can safely say that Golden Freddy as we see them in the games isn’t a real suit, unless you have a explanation on why they literally fade from existence or can turn into a floating head the size of a hallway.
I think both theories have huge inconsistencies, just like the rest of Fnaf's lore. Here's my take. The story has so many loose threads and unstable connections (ie; 2 MCIs, first one at Fazbear's, second one at the Fnaf 2 location, where did the puppet go during Fazbears Frights, how did the puppet wind up inside of Lefty, what is Lefty, where the funtimes actually possessed?) Most of the first three game's continuity errors are a result of Scott attempting to write the series in a way that the fans enjoyed. He went all over the place, and in every direction. There's a ton of easter eggs in the first three games that exist just purely because they were imagery that Scott found nightmarish. We can't expect all the pieces to fit nicely together. There's too many pieces that have had their contexts changed. We don't even know if the original 4 games are even canon at this point in time because of Steelwool's revision of the franchise. We will never know for sure what Molten Freddy is. Or what happened with the spirits of both MCI incidents. Or if the puppet is still alive and kicking. I could list every tangible clue or hint in the whole series about what has 'actually happened', but that wouldn't help anything. They are all pieces that don't entirely fit into the puzzle. The book series really only compounds this issue. By trying to write a series that neatly gives context for the story of the first four games, it overrides the actual story and clues from those games. By claiming those games never even happened means that we don't know if any of the original events ever even happened. Fnaf lore has turned into a tar filled pit. The only things we know for sure is that we're seeing some of the old characters or characters that kinda seem like references to older characters crop up, devoid of context.
I feel like FNAF 6 feels better with MoltenMCI, but FNAF 3 feels better with SpringtrapMCI. Overall I feel like I prefer MoltenMCI but this is definitely an interesting idea
@@siresquawksyeah, good point. But still, I feel this one is too specific of a information for him to know. Like there is no evidence in springtrap behaviour to suggests that there are multiple souls attached to it, and probably Henry didn't have springtrap accessible to be studied. This is not to discredit your theory because it's not like is that much absurd than moltenMCI, like I still don't understand why William would even put the spirit of the kids in robots designed to kill children, and if he already had remnant why he even created the runtimes. Honestly the only thing that makes sense to me is that the MCI were already freed before Fnaf 6, but again why would Fnaf 6 put so much focus on them if they weren't in it.
Honestly I should just make my own video about it but I think what’s most important for thinking of where the mci kids went is to look at the endo skeletons since I think the main way they possess the animatronics is actually through the endo. It’s a thing about the joy of creation line from the original that I think Scott used to form his ideas of remnant, agony, memories, and being put back together, and how those play a role in the possession of the animatronics. So the idea is that in fnaf 3 the animatronic suits are destroyed and it releases the phantoms of the kids and also the phantom animatronics so their remnant is what is left in the endo skeletons which disappear in the games after fnaf 3 we don’t see those again. And even the shells of the animatronics are all throughout the pizzeria but we never find the endo skeletons and we see the shells of the toy animatronics and we never see the endo skeletons so it is evidence that maybe William did melt them to create the funtimes. The dci could’ve played into this as well but it kind of just cleans up that theory by saying it doesn’t really matter if the dci happened or not because all of the remnant from that ends up in the same place as the mci kids so it inadvertently ties up that loose end and I think that’s the entire point of fnaf 6 right. There shouldn’t be any more loose threads after that game at least for what Scott intended do molten mci shouldn’t really be a question it’s really an answer to a problem he created when happiest day became about crying child what happens to the kids souls so by making fnaf 4 he had to re release the children’s souls because the masked kids in happiest day just become representative of crying child’s “friends” or imaginary friends in the characters on those masks who he stopped liking because people wearing Freddy’s masks killed him. So now we have the idea that the souls were actually remnant since it’s now more sci-fi based after fnaf 5 and the silver eyes trilogy / fnaf world. And so the phantoms become part of that whole thing where you can see memories of other people through remnant and that’s what the consciousness of the kids are manifesting through or something
Sorry off topic, but wanted to hear your thoughts on this if you have the time and inclination. I noticed that the character encyclopaedia says that Glitchtrap is from the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience, the in-universe name for the fnaf VR game. Then I thought, is this meant to have been an in-universe encyclopaedia? High chance it's just badly researched and written, (and it still is regardless) but that could explain the absence of Mike and hate towards Elizabeth if it's meant to be written by William's sympathisers. Obviously if that was the actual intention then it should have been stated, even if subtly. I couldn't find anything else particularly 'in-universe sounding' in the text I had available to me, so not a strong theory, just a thought.
Why is Mangle (not funtime foxy) in the Logbook? Take a look at which animatronics, which series, are in the log book; Original Fazbear cast, Funtimes AND Mangle AND the Puppet AND the fredbear plush (and BB and JJ), but not fredbear. When you mentioned the logbook I picked it back up and started flipping through it again; Foxy is in his FNAF1 state of disrepair, the other FNAF1 characters show no damage. Bonnie is drawn at one point as a British Captain; sort of as the opposite of a Pirate. JJ is under a desk and the stick note says "don't mention the springlocks"... I really think the Logbook is a time stamp, I think it still holds a lot of information. Why does only Bonnie become discolored into a different color on the coupons as you progress further into the book?
This could tie into Fazbear's Fright being the makers of the book. It's a brand based on all the tragedies of fazbear's so them having the spooky versions and rumor interpretations makes sense.
I have my own idea for how this could work and I understand if you all do not like this I call it molten Agony MCI basically it kind of goes something like this every night in the follow me mini games William destroys one of the animatronics but when he does this the soul is released but a large amount of Agony is still left inside of the endoskeletons this is what William puts in each of the fun times not the actual Souls this could be the explanation for why the souls appear when William gets springlocked the agony their emotions not their actual Spirits were put in the fun times but the actual Spirits attach themselves to the FNAF 1 shells and maybe became the Phantoms or they could have attached themselves to Afton and that's how they end up in FNAF 3 and FNAF 6
FNaF 3 is after SL (Im going to come find you), the logbook isnt really contradictory hes in fazbear frights which is an open establishment talking about how crazy it is they made this place about his life and everyones okay with it
If Scraptrap is holding the MCI, then it solves the FNAF 3 and SL plot hole. If William is collecting the MCI Remnant in FNAF 3 then immediately gets springtrapped, then who the heck puts the MCI kids in the funtimes? Either he went to the bunker then returned to FNAF 3 mini game location for no reason just to die, or went there to put the remnant in the funtimes after surviving the FNAF 3 gameplay, or some other person put the remnant in the funtimes.
Simple: the funtimes are kinda obvius to have circus baby entertainment and rentals scooped random kids, why scott would built a concept of "scoop kids" and not use that? edit: could be also the dci kids
While not the most important factor, when trying to figure out things about FNAF, i try to see from a narrative standpoint, What gives a satistying answer?, and I think that's why Molten MCI i so popular, because if we take Scraptrap MCI, Molten Freddy is now in a weird place on the PS story, that game was all about having the big players in the same place, so there's Mike, Elizabeth, Charlie, William, all characters we know well by that point, if the MCI really are in Scraptrap, Molten becomes the only guy in this game that's not related to well know characters of the games, because while the DCI could be a neat patch to that, let's be real, the DCI is completely ignored for the rest of the franchise, if PS wanted to throw a bone to that, they didn't really comunicate that intention, there's not much of FNAF 2 in PS(same thing with Funtime having their own victims, not much attetion id given to that in PS), like, at all, but the MCI have graves with names, so if feels like they should be one the important animatronics here, not just kinda hanging out with old Willy. The references to Sister Location are the most annoying part of Molten MCI, but I don't think it's impossible for it to still work, It's a strech, but at the start of SL, Hand Unit already has "Mike" written on it, that could imply that Micheal has already been in this bunker, maybe not doing the same work that he does in the game as a technician, but he has, so references to the silly things Hand Unit says can still happen before SL.
13:55 When you say where is golden Freddy if not in ennard I feel it would be best to say that golden Freddy is in spring/scraptrap because of ultimate custom night and the man in room whatever the number is Cassidy latches on William all the other Spirits probably went into fun times that became ennard that became molten Freddy My problem with golden Freddy being possessed by two people is five things becoming one is probably referring to the souls and not the animatronics but there are six original Souls in fnaf one
don't really feel like going through all the comments to see if someone pointed this out, you might be addressing it in the followup anyway; what about "and to you monsters trapped in the corridors, be still, and give up your spirits, they don't belong to you"?
I mean you monsters is plural, so Springtrap, Molten Freddy, and Elizabeth are multiple monsters with multiple souls between them, including the MCI spirits in Springtrap (under scraptrapmci).
@@siresquawks This did cross my mind while thinking about it, but it'd be kinda weird to address these "monsters" separately from elizabeth and william, considering he speaks to them both directly in the same scene. Well saying that I suppose elizabeth could be part of the mix considering baby's on screen as that line is happening iirc. Still, saying "for MOST of you I believe there is peace and perhaps more bla bla" is really weird wording if he's just addressing liz and william, and not to mention molten freddy does show up during that specific line as well. I don't think william fits into this section as he's separately addressed with the don't keep the devil waiting old friend thing.. I guess he could just be referring to the hypothetical victims of the funtimes that now reside within them maybe?? weird line of dialogue
@@bunnii-latte9182 I'd recommend rereading the context of the monster's line because you're arguing it's being used differently than it is. He clearly uses "you monsters" to refer to basically everyone there, then clarifies that Afton's soul should go to hell. It really doesn't favor any theory honestly.
@@siresquawks nah you're right, I wrote this at like 5 am thinking I was onto sumn lol, the monsters line diverges into "for most of you"(elizabeth, whatever else?) and "although for one of you"(william)
I'm not familiar with the novels, but is it possible that remnant and souls are different? Like, the souls are souls. And when the souls are bound to the metal, the metal becomes remnant, but the souls are still souls, they're just bound to the metal by remnant. This is why the haunted animatronics have personalities that are mostly derived from the mascot's personality rather than the souls. In this way, remnant is more like a horcrux -- except the soul may or may not actually be split, it's just bound to this plane by the metallic remnant
It's PRETTY likely Remnant *is* the Soul. Agony and Love are both components of/are "Remnant", even if they arent in metal. Infact, both of those "Components" are specifically Dark and Light Remnant from AR. Both combined likely creates a whole "Soul", much like how Henry created one by just pouring his love and agony into an Ella doll, creating a whole-ass person he Gaslit into believing they WERE his daughter "Charlie". > This is why the haunted animatronics have personalities that are mostly derived from the mascot's personality rather than the souls. This IS covered by the books in a fairly simple way The Dead Forget. They slowly forget about who they were, and potentially what happened to them, the Novel kids even forgot that Springtrap was their killer, and began to believe they WERE the characters, until they were "put back together". And the Trilogy kids who had forgotten had only been in there for 10 years, too... Now imagine if The Blob *was* Molten Freddy via MoltenMCI too: Killed by William in 1985, stuffed into suits in brutal fashion > Left to rot for 2 years > Scavenged for parts to fit into Toys/TOYSHNK possibly gaining another level of Vengeance Rank if William used her for a possible DCI > Shipped to FNAF 1 location and Refurbished > Torn apart, melted into a Child Soup, split into chunks > Shocked repeatedly and trapped in a bunker for god knows how much of that 30 year span > Finally Reunite, and wander the region for an unknown about of time > Lured into FNAF 6 and Burned, trapped for yet ANOTHER 10 years or so underground... This may be why they're little more than a Feral Thing *50 years* after they died :V
Maybe I missed something you said, but in Help Wanted it was found that there are 4 melted down endo skeletons, FNaF 1 endo skeletons. I feel like the answer is maybe a combo of different things. But overall it would seem molten MCI is the theory Scott is nudging us towards. Golden Freddy really is the odd one out here, since the suit isn’t in Animatronic mode. It cannot walk around and be dismantled like the others in “Follow Me”. This would imply that in order for Cassidy/Andrew to be present in FNaF 6, they would need to be somehow melted down into Molten Freddy/Ennard, or the Spirit has just been clinging to SpringTrap since … Afton died???? Which begs the question, if Golden Freddy is in Molten Freddy/Ennard … how? The Help Wanted finding only shows 4 endoskeletons, not 5, and without the Suit being destroyed how is Cassidy able to be with Molten Freddy/Ennard? These aren’t questions that can be answered by simply making a new game or book I feel, you can’t be cryptic with something *THIS SPECIFIC*
See, my interpretation is something with even less evidence, but imo is more narritively satisfying. ScraptrapMCI, and MoltenDCI. That means, that in the Fnaf6 Fire, *EVERYONE* is there to be burned and have the potential to move on. The MCI kids and Cassidy attached to William, the DCI kids as Molten Freddy, Elizabeth, Charlie, Henry, Michael... They all would be there. Obviously we know Cassidy doesnt move on, and torments William forever in UCN (at least until he _possibly_ comes back as Glitch/Burntrap) EDIT: He mentions MoltenDCI in passing in the video XD. Probably shoulda watched it all the way through before making my comment. But my point still stands.
yeah ikr its kinda hard to pin point what's what i think molten mci makes more sense then a springtrap one but with both there's just so many problems some answers but then holes in them and then it starts to be confusing i think it really would have just made more sense for them to stick around with charlie and help free other kids then just be put in other animatronics by being melted down then cling to something else and then fnaf 6 can happen your probably wondering how that would work considering their broken but tbf they don't exactly have to be in anything to my knowledge to interact in some way plus they could probably take control on almost anything also just a side thought i know its not true and probably will never be but i have had the idea that fnaf 3 might just be a different area in or redesigned fnaf 1 location just a thought plus also the endo skeletons they could totally just posses that and well they know how to stuff things in suits so its not like they can't just use the other spare heads and and bodies if they ever did choose to stick around with charlie also i mean i think its obvious but who else would charlie be trying to help who else is still trapped besides baby which oh man i could definitely some something cool of a rivalry like the books and idk some other kids maybe micheal maybe possibly bite victim maybe someone else idk maybe trying to also convince cassidy to chill out for a bit and eat some hoagies
Question: While it is implied through dialog and Springbonnie usage, is he EXPLICITLY called "William Afton" directly, by name in the Fazbear Frights books? Not Springtrap, not some alias, but directly "William Afton"? I am working out a FazProp theory [Fazbear Propaganda] that the main gameplay loop stuff in the Scott FNaF games [cameras, flashlight, lures, doors, mask, vents etc], the Fazbear Frights books and either the Silver Eyes Trilogy OR the Tales from the Pizzaplex books are in-universe coverup FazProp [based on the lines in Help Wanted and the fact that Fetch, Scraptrap ans Plushtrap are merch/arcade games in Help Wanted and Security Breach]. The Silver Eyes and Tales Books tell very different origins for the company, and William Afton is the key to Which is propaganda. Unless Afton [in Steel Wool continuity] actually existed and was convicted for his crimes, his name in Fazbear Frights implies that his story and thus the whole Emily / Afton family story are exaggerated propaganda by Fazbear Inc. There still might have been a killer in the Springbonnie suit, but William Afton wasn't his name, and it is Edwin/David, not Henry/Charlie that are the creators. Confirmation will also come in what form the Sister Location and FNaF6/UCN stuff is incorporated into HW2, if it keeps the video game tester storyline. Note, under this theory, the 8-bit minigames, the Pizza sim part of FNaF6 [not the end of night stuff], and potentially FNaF World are depictions of actual events, since to my knowledge, the 8-bit minigames weren't in Help Wanted. [they also don't use the Afton/Emily Names]. If the Silver Eyes turns out to be the cover-up, then Gregory drawing Burntrap/Scraptrap comes from his having played FNaF6 or UCN. If Tales is the Tie-in Merch, then Burntrap is William and he always comes back. The Tangle/Blob is interesting since it has both an analog in Fazbear Frights, the games in question, and in Ruin, since it is either the Stitchwraith/Agony Amalgamation or Ennard/Molten Freddy.
@siresquawks thanks, how the SL stuff is handled in HW2 will confirm or debunk my theory. The confounding thing is how both stuff from Silver Eyes (well, specifically Twisted Ones) and the Tales books are both shown in some form in Ruin, but potentially contradict each other. The Edwin vs Henry as creator is the sticking point.
@@Lightman0359 >then Gregory drawing Burntrap comes from his having played FNaF6 or UCN. This kinda doesnt work. You'd have to take some HEFTY Liberties to cook up Burntrap's Design from Springtrap/Scraptrap. Personally: Burntrap is William, and IS still Canon, alongside most events as we see them. We do know that the only games made by Fazbear were FNAF 1-3, then ALSO the 1-SL or so VR games (referenced as specifically being VR games in-setting). So everything 4-UCN is likely still Canon as we see it play out.
@higueraft571 I'm not saying I like my own theory, just trying to think like a hack game designer trying to put some stank on an established franchise, like how JJ Abrams made nonsensical decisions in both Star Trek and Star Wars to... make whatever those movies were. The "FNaF1-3 are in-universe games" thing is the same as Nimoy in JJ Trek1 looking into the camera and saying essentially 'this isn't my Star Trek'. I really hope it isn't the case and by bringing it up online anyone from Steel Wool that somehow sees the comments can see how bad even considering this idea is and doesn't. I have posted similar on other FNaFtubers and you are the first to bite. Please poke more holes in this.
I don't really see anything weird about William just taking the parts offscreen. This whole thing blatantly was not the intent back in FNAF 3, that was supposed to be the last game. So Scott used the insanity ending to gently reveal what is going on in the new lore he envisioned. The insanity ending monologue does not go 'off topic' to talk about the Funtimes. Most of it is about the Funtimes. It is all about how William did something even worse to the kids after killing them that took away what they had beforehand. And he had to undo what he had done to help them move on. It is pretty consistent with the interpretation that he is talking about William putting the kids in the funtimes. Them being trapped in prisons of his making was in the past tense, with the 'now' part leading to the current situation. They were set to a new purpose by William.
I’m a huge MoltenMCI hater personally, but I can’t deny it would make fnaf6 all the more satisfying than it already is, given that molten freddy is literally the only character being burnt that would have like… zero actual relevance, and having it be the 5 MCI kids would legit be every single major player all being ended at once would be pretty satisfying, albeit still confusing with how we got there. Either way, if MoltenMCI is real, happiest day probably takes place after fnaf6, which is a better ending for Charlotte and the kids, since she doesn’t have to fake move on and continue living, but it would also mean the Crying Child has to wait a RIDICULOUS amount of time to be set free for like, no reason (assuming the golden freddy mask kid is indeed CC, instead of Cassidy/Andrew/TOYSNHK whatever) Additionally, Henry’s Line “it’s time to rest, for you, and for those you have carried in your arms” makes even more sense if MoltenMCI is in fact what was being implied, since he’s actually setting free the kids she gave new life to and whatnot
unpopular opinion but i dont think the mci spirits are ever present in the fnaf 6 location. theres no place where they fit without causing problems and theres not even much pointing to the idea of them being there
Im kinda spit ballin here but what if the Insanity Ending speech takes place before Fnaf3? If the theory that Fnaf3 and Fnaf6 takes place in the same year (2023) is true, which I believe it is. It could be that Henry is the one that started Fazbear Frights to free the MCI kids by burning what remained of their animatronic shells to then find that not only William/ Springtrap came back but so did Charlie/ Puppet. So he tries a second time in FFPS with the main focus being to burn the remains of the 4 animatronics we see in that game. This could explain why the Insanity Ending speech heavily references follow me (A minigame played in Fnaf3) but also is relevant to the story in FFPS because FFPS would essentially be fnaf3 part 2.
Also in a meta sense this lines up with how Fnaf3 was supposed to be the ending but due to fan reception and also Scott wanting to expand the story FFPS kinda became the second ending in the series (sorry fnaf4 lol)
@@WindsAwakendsbut the thing is that TOYSHK talking through Orville Elephant said this to William Afton “He tried to release you. He tried to release us. But I’m not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here. No matter how many times they burn us.” Which they in Orville Elephant’s death quote still could had been referring to both Michael Afton and Henry. Meaning Michael Afton for the fire at Fazbear’s Fright and Henry for the fire at the Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza Place. And also for Henry’s quote “somehow found this job listing not intended for you” was still referring to Michael Afton. Since not one Phone Dude is still either alive and not doing anything related to Freddys or was killed offscreen and didn’t possess anyone, but also certain quotes from William Afton and Molten Freddy’s “Together aga-ain!” and probably even Scrap Baby’s “You’re not who I expected to see.” still seems to be referring to someone who would they know or at least met before. Even then Phone Dude would actually want to escape and not stay especially for the fire to die, but not for Michael Afton.
Another thing to note. When Springtrap shows up in FNAF 3, so to do the phantoms. Almost as if he brought them with him. I know most people dismiss them as hallucinations, but wouldn't it make sense that they where the children's souls doing the same thing they'd done for the last few decades (attacking night guards). But that also brings up the questions of where is bonnie, and why is mangle there?
Fazbear Frights implies that Springtrap can create hallucinations resembling the person's biggest fear (which to Michael are the Phantoms we know. Also, that bit is from the story What We Found), but if you're willing to, you may say that they're the children coming with William because they're clinging onto him. To me, both are equally good explanations.
@henriquefigueiraferreira1608 yea but then what would happen to the souls of the kids in the mci? Also the dci souls I feel like have no story relevance besides fnaf 2 and maybe 3
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I personally don’t think any book takes priority over another book. The only time I would say a book is more important is the Survival Logbook, because unlike the other books this book is confirmed 100% canon. Great video btw.
I feel like Tales was confirmed canon, especially with the description literally being that they "take place in the world of the newest games" and that Tales is currently our only source for the Mimic backstory. So I would argue Tales is 100% more important
@@Personian >take place in the world of the newest games I mean... Scott in the Novel era said that the Trilogy takes place in the same Universe. ...however they're different *timelines* in the same world.
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what if springtrap MCI is true and the good ending is us releasing the 5 spirits from springtrap, thats why his name changes to William Afton (Scraptrap) because now he is just william
I do sort of agree, don't really like MoltonMCI (although that's mostly for it retconning the good ending of FNAF 3), which is why I sort of like to think the Funtimes were the FNAF 2 robots souls (again, if those even had any to begin with which they probably do) Even SpringtrapMCI still erks me for keeping those kids souls around to 6 when 3 says they should be gone by now.... but if they are just sort of hanging onto William it is a little better.
@@siresquawks That also works too. It's all very confusing, but even still the good ending with the bots heads is still another part of it where it's hard to see the original 4/6 souls end in 3, then to have to appear again in pizza sim and sort of 'cheapen' 3's good ending. More just me wanting a satisfying ending than anything else rlly.
@@trainmaster36productions Honestly, i kinda fall into the "Happiest Day was retconned" group. It annoyingly doesnt really FIT anywhere, unless it was only specifically CC "moving on" for some reason, which may put it/World at 3 or earlier then. >More just me wanting a satisfying ending than anything else rlly. Alas, i dont think that'll be until Cassidy fucks off, she's gonna keep William alive, which'll likely keep the MCI kids around too, and Charlie Cassidy is The Problem Child here :V
>anything to get away from the bad sci-fi stuff It's been haunting the series as early as FNAF 2, and it's gonna keep doing so :V ...also i'm not sure why people seem to think Remnant is "Sci-fi", it's a Mysterious Soul Juice that possesses Objects that seems made up of Emotions and Memory, with some aspects having special properties. Wheel of Time, Mistborn, ESPECIALLY Fullmetal Alchemist (by far the most "Sci-fi" Magic System) I guess it's because William is studying it, which is nerdy/"science shit"? Even though that's also Wizards. SL is definitely Sci-fi, but i mean... We've got hyper-advanced robots in 1987 connected to a "Criminal Database" that can read faces, ones that can walk around on TWO legs, and dont forget the Springlock suits with enough force to rival a Car Spring for each springlock.
@@higueraft571remnant is just a substance to make ghosts and souls being overcomplicate because for the sake of it, we can accept tye toys and the springlocks, but the funtimes are downright unrealistic for fnaf logic of fnaf 1--4
@@Wizardjones69 >remnant is just a substance to make ghosts and souls being overcomplicate because for the sake of it It basically just gives the "Weird Possession Shit" a name, and explains how stuff like the Toys even *exist* to begin with. We know kids werent shoved in them, yet they act possessed. >but the funtimes are downright unrealistic for fnaf logic of fnaf 1--4 Robots built for killing kids? Tly the main "Sci-fi" aspect is likely *just* the Mimicry. Which, admittedly, if they're more advanced than today, we DO have the AI which is built for mimicking voices already. It's not perfect but it definitely exists... (Not to mention it could also be seen as a *much* more advanced version of stuff like the Speak & Spell... which funnily enough released in *1983* too.)
@@Wizardjones69 >and why scraptrap dont looks nothing like springtrap if remnanr explain that? Definitely a questionable one in general that really NOTHING explains. Seemingly a combo of "Wow holy shit Scott sucks at humans, holy FUCK" and "Weird plot reasons, assuming it's even Canon anymore (Security Breach throws this into question)" Remnant doesnt really explain jack shit about that, but neither does Sci-fi in general, "Weird Plot Shit(tm)" would though :V >Who wanted in the flesh? Who wanted grumdrop angel? Assuming those even *do* exist to begin with.
No matter what anybody says, nothing will ever make more sense than HappiestMCI. The souls were freed in the fire at Fazbear's Fright. We know that fire doesn't forcibly free the soul, only unbinds it from the metal. FNAF World was always about putting everything in place for Happiest Day, FNAF3 did a Ruin and melded the digital world that the Agonized Animatronics exist in with the Real World that the Souls exist in, and allowed an interloper to carry out Happiest Day and free the souls, thats why we haven't seen them since, they're gone, all save the Puppet, who we see refused to be set free and chose to keep going. None of this "Well technically, we never hear that Follow Me all takes place on the same night so maybe-" nonsense. None of this soul splitting. None of the book nonsense. Happiest Day was it, that was the end, until the day you can prove beyond a doubt that it was something else, which never happens in this series, they all left during Happiest Day.
> thats why we haven't seen them since, they're gone, all save the Puppet, who we see refused to be set free and chose to keep going. ...and Cassidy/TOYSHNK. We SEE them still twitching in a reversed 1:1 of FNAF 3's Teaser. Assuming the Gfreddy wasnt them for some reason. This also raises the question of "what the hell IS Ennard/Molten Freddy?" Also raises the question if "No Soul Splitting", what happens if you cut a possessed animatronic in half?
@@higueraft571 Happiest Day is the building burning, so they're still haunted until after FNAF 3. Ennard is more complicated, but still pretty simple. Agony. You know of it, but theorists treat it as "Remnant but angry" but when we're introduced to it we get an actual answer. Machines can experience trauma just like humans, they can experience any emotion, but pain and sorrow is the most potent. That's why we see OG Freddy pausing when Charlie gets Williamed. That's why an animatronic that isn't haunted can be animate. They remember what happened, the souls are secondary. Within this series there are two animating forces: Possession and Provenance. Objects, robots, machines have memory, and that memory can animate for better, but typically for worse. One example is the Security Puppet going outside to cradle Charlie's body. That thing wasn't haunted until after it went out, so why else would it go out? Ennard and the Funtimes aren't haunted at all, we get a straightforward answer as to what they are. They're normal robots that got tortured, ripped apart, electrocuted, and abused. That's why the Mimic is the Mimic. These things can see, they can feel, and they can become angry, bitter, and sad. If you don't like it, well I'm sorry, but that's literally what Phineas Taggart said it was, and if Agony exists, that's what it is. No matter what anybody says, it will always make more sense that the MCI were freed in Happiest Day, and *again* freed doesn't mean they passed on, freed means the Remnant is gone and the soul is no longer forcibly trapped in the metal.
@@thefrogthatknows5251 >Agony. You know of it, but theorists treat it as "Remnant but angry" but when we're introduced to it we get an actual answer. Honestly, how i interpret it is simple: Agony and Love are a Component/type of Dark and Light Remnant specifically. Dark and Light Remnant mixed together create a "Soul". Agony being the strongest form of Dark Remnant, like Love is the strongest form of Light Remnant. Structured like so: Love ??? ??? v v v Light Remnant (Book "Remnant") v Soul ^ Dark Remnant ^ ^ ^ Agony ??? ??? Hell, we even get a good example of this in the Trilogy books, Henry pours his Love and Agony into that Ella Doll, treating it as if it WERE Charlie, and created a Soul from it. Something seemingly healthy with no real issues or "side-effects" of being Artificial, in a sense. ...one he proceeded to gaslight into believing it WAS Charlie of course, but still. >That thing wasn't haunted until after it went out, so why else would it go out? Because it was programmed to protect Charlie, and keep her indoors? It was also shorting out and "dying", because the rain was frying it. If it's plan was to scoop her up and bring her back in, it has to reach her first, even if it has to drag itself onto her before it soon dies too. >That's why the Mimic is the Mimic. The Mimic (from the books specifically) had Edwin *pour* his Agony into Mimic, much like Henry poured his Agony (and Love) into that Ella doll. The "Machines feel agony and self-possess" IS an interesting idea, and one that fits similar beats that mine does... Although you immediately have to ask: "Why arent the Glamrocks possessed the same way?" Freddy ABSOLUTELY should be, and Roxy, maybe even Monty if you count his legs being smashed and such, and the Anger Issues. Really the only one who might not be is Chica. >and again freed doesn't mean they passed on, freed means the Remnant is gone and the soul is no longer forcibly trapped in the metal. ??? So did they Pass On or not? What *exactly* keeps them there to begin with? And where'd said spirits go anyways? If they didnt Pass On, this means Happiest Day "Failed". When Andrew Passed On in the Stichwraith Stingers (i believe, the only definitive hard confirmed Passing in the series, where someone left the Living World and went to the Afterlife), he didnt leave behind any Angry Ghost Goo (which Jake would have definitely noticed i imagine), he simply Peaced Out from the Stitchwraith AND the Plot entirely.
@@higueraft571 But Remnant isn't the glowy soul juice the fans say it is. According to the books and blueprints it's just metal that has a soul bound to it. Heat unbinds the soul from the metal. The Scooper was designed to harvest Remnant from the Funtimes, but they never had Remnant, and Baby knew how to hide her's as she explains in game, so the Scooper was never able to harvest them, but when they acted up they were assumed to be haunted and Scooped, but it never worked. The same mechanics that would free the soul from the Remnant and re-ensnare it in the Scooper removed Michael's soul, but could not capture it, and kind of just left it there in his body, making him a Revenant. Glamrocks do get traumatized. Roxy is actively sobbing, Monty is actively screaming, the body of Freddy who no longer has a head actively tries to kill us. Chica, well, Chica doesn't really have much characterization let's be fair that ones a brick wall. Charlie didn't pass on, because she wants to shoulder the burdens. Cassidy or whoever the hell is in Golden Freddy might've passed on, but more realistically stayed behind. Whether or not Happiest Day "worked" or not for them isn't quite relevant, it still makes more sense than "The Souls got crammed into this other thing that we have no meaningful evidence for, then they stayed there until the second fire and *that's* when they were freed." It is, for all intents and purposes, the better answer, because we have nothing in the plot of the game that demands otherwise and Happiest Day, as well as the FNAF 3 ending, is the most overt display of what could be happening and requires no assumptions to be made.
@@thefrogthatknows5251 >According to the books and blueprints it's just metal that has a soul bound to it. Except we *know* it isnt JUST metal. We're straight up told that Metal is simply the best Conductor of it. The description described it as a bubbling/glowing silvery liquid in appearance, similar to Mercury. Not that it IS Mercury. How does Book Charlie work by the way? That's neither a machine NOR metal, and yet the Ella Doll became possessed. Thus there should be no Remnant or Soul period, no Life. >but when they acted up they were assumed to be haunted and Scooped So why havent they been scooped the OTHER times they tried to escape? Making a run for the exit/outside is pretty *strange* gonna be honest, especially several times. >Heat unbinds the soul from the metal. This also contradicts the Scooper blueprints (where the whole "Fire destroys Remnant" thing even came from to begin with) to a degree, which states that Sustained Heat makes it Inert and Malleable as long as it's applied to the storage tank. Not that it causes the Soul Juice to Fall Out of it. And that there's a chance that even higher heat *may possibly* have a chance of making the effect permanent. Infact, it's pretty likely said "inert"/stunned state is what the Controlled Shocks briefly cause too. A sudden flash of fairly high heat going through all the Remnant AND Electrically conductive metal. >Glamrocks do get traumatized. Roxy is actively sobbing, Monty is actively screaming, the body of Freddy who no longer has a head actively tries to kill us. Chica, well, Chica doesn't really have much characterization let's be fair that ones a brick wall. Yet again, they got Shit Going On personality-wise, yet the ONLY one with any form of hint of Possession would be Freddy, who states that "I AM NOT ME" line, which... honestly could be many things. Is it Possession? By who if anyone? Is it referring to Glitchtrap/Mimic? Or perhaps having realized he isnt THE Freddy Fazbear (he already has a small Existential Crisis when he finds the room he was made in, about this subject)? Could he even be going "Rampant"? As far as we know though, while we know Trauma CAN bring things to life, such as the Book Charlie i keep referencing, the only evidence we DO have of that is from something Alive giving life to something Not. From the ones i can think of off the top of my head: Henry > Ella Jake > Simon Though i will admit Glamrocks are CERTAINLY a Grey Area where the rules could bend, since i believe they're one of *the* first self-aware AIs/Animatronics in the entire series, which ARE capable of feeling emotion and thinking on their own.
Just a heads up: There is already a follow up video I made with some realizations and breakthroughs that will go up in a day or two since it's shorter, but I feel very concise.
THE BALLOON BOY MCI VIDEO!!! 👀
MICHAEL MCI (MCDONALD'S INC )
@@Does-not_exist McDonalds MCI... the "MC-I" if you will 😂
@@thescorpion1012 lol yea
What if it's less about directly infusing something with souls or being bound to a specific body. What if it's just the location?
I mean, we know that the same location is used for multiple incidents, right? Is it possible that the reason that fnaf 6 didn't work is because the soles went on to haunt the very location itself?
i always assumed "all of them" meant every soul affected by williams actions, so it would include Baby and Charlie too. and maybe William himself
im 99% sure that line is alluding to the completionist ending, and basically giving a hint towards it and saying that that is the true ending, and thats what we need to do to finish the game
Actually really like this theory. MoltenMCI has always just been so weird to me. Like, no matter which way you try to work it, it's really awkward and convoluted. This is at least a bit more clear cut and simple to understand.
That said, my gut feeling is that neither of these is quite right. This is just a suspicion and I have absolutely no evidence for it, but it just feels like the answer is based around some weird quirk of Scott's universe - like, the whole idea that you can play FNAF World and somehow that sets up Happiest Day. Something like that. I just get the feeling there's some rule like that he has in mind but hasn't sufficiently explained. But again, that's just a hunch. Honestly I'm totally cool with this explanation :3
MoltenMCI or whatever the "correct" answer is does feel like one of those things I wish we'd get a Dittophobia like answer to. Like, none of this ten layers of abstraction stuff, just flat out explain it. It feels like one of the few pieces of old Fnaf (pre-UCN) lore that is still a little unclear.
This seems like a very creative idea. The victims being unintentionally bound to their killer is better than moltenMCI or RockstarMCI.
Wait, I've never heard about RockstarMCI, is this like, the souls possessing the Rockstar Animatronics?
@PeterPeter20 same idea of molten mci but to the rockstars
I think Sammy Emily is the real entity behind the "William Afton" persona, in fnaf3 and fnaf6, and he literally stole the souls of William Afton and the MCI victims. It also makes more sense when you consider that Shadow Freddy (a ghost) was the tool used to lure the MCI children to William, which indirectly leads William Afton to Springtrap.
Wheres toymci lol
I disagree in my opinion
bro i swear Scott or steel wool have to confirm some things at this point or we're gonna keep questioning our FOUNDATION. not related to this but still, excited to watch the video
i love this suggestion honestly. especially with the whole keeping afton alive part; we really never get a definitive answer to HOW he stays alive, i've always just seen it as basically his soul possessing the suit/his own corpse (or something something agony blahblahblah), but i think this idea is pretty solid as an alternative. and if we can use the silver eyes as evidence for moltenmci, why can't we use fazbear frights as evidence for this theory? 🤷🏻♂️ fairs fair
If you knew basic fnaf lore you would know.
Bro, wtf? Afton stayed alive the same way his victims stayed alive: He possessed his own corpse/suit. Simple as that.
@@Wattson19 i literally said that but ok. i said we never DEFINITIVELY get an answer from the series. simple as that 🙄
@@southerncoastproductions7587 lmao the gall to suggest i haven't been inhaling every single piece of information from this series like an autistic kirby for the past 9 years. enlighten me then o fuckin wise one
@@ediblefredible Wdym definitive? The MCI itself is already definitive proof that that's the case. The MCI kids were put inside the animatronics, they possessed them. William died inside of Springbonnie, he possesses him. That's just straight up logic.
I seriously don't get why people try to find justifications of Afton's possession, when the series itself already gives a solid awnser.
I cant believe i didnt realized the mci victims being in the funtimes doesnt make sense if fnaf 1 were to happen after sister location until this video
Your mention of the log book relating to sister locations placement in the timeline is a very interesting and underutilized point actually, I'd love to see people discussing this more often
Springtrap MCI is my preferred theory, its something about the snake story (all five cats we're in the snake) before being put together
from what i remember that one has just one of the five cats in the snake before the pieces of the one cat got stitched together
The 5 kittens aren't put in the snake. 1 is. Snakes eat one thing at a time and take a while to digest it, and the story never specifies more than one kitten was put in the snake's cage.
@@siresquawks oh well that's what I interpreted, I understand though.
FINALLY someone who understands that the Insanity Ending is CLEARLY talking about the original five children and the FNaF 3 mini games.
Now we just need someone to make this next theory: Happiest Day takes place during the FFPS fire. We know Fredbear’s, Happiest Day, FFPS, and Security Puppet are all at the same location cause of connections that can be made between all the minigames and events. Happy Frog and Pigpatch and the other mediocre Melodies appear in Happiest Day. And Henry says “it’s time to rest for YOU and THOSE YOU CARRIED IN YOUR ARMS”, and shows the Give Gifts mini game on screen. So shouldn’t that mean he’s putting the soul of The Puppet as well as the souls of the children SHE carried in HER arms (the original characters) to rest? The only one that fails is Golden Freddy, which would explain why Golden Freddy is still haunted and tormenting William, unable to move on, and where the heck Golden Freddy’s spirit was the whole time.
Ok so you actually got quite close to saying this. It’s about time someone actually proposed this.
HungryMCI, which is springtrapMCI but instead of the kids attaching to springtrap, william eats their remnant after he gets srpinglocked which explains why he never dies even after being a corpse and getting burnt twice up until UCN
the reason he goes to dismantle the animatronics is because he was hungwy, he ated all the remnant
I have no idea if this is saecasm or not
we out a remnant @@Sopsy_Hallow
I think what he means When Henry says they're used for a purpose, he thought unimaginable he might be referring to The fact of the animatronics are now killers. Don't forget they do get a little quirky at night and seem to have straight up killed phone guy in the first game
Judging by the thumbnail and title, this is going to be an insane video, even by fnaf standards
more words than Prankster inbound:
3:12 The Fourth Closet would have been actually written alongside the development of FFPS, so I'm obviously inclined to think that it's more relevant than to FFPS than Frights just from that alone.
4:23 Henry's speech goes, "As if what he had already done wasn't enough... As if the suffering wasn't enough..." When he says "As if the suffering wasn't enough--the loss of innocence, the loss of everything to so many people..." he's reiterating what he just said in the sentence immediately before. So "the loss of innocence, the loss of everything to so many people" is not something that happened after "he found a new way desecrate, to humiliate, to destroy." He found a new way to desecrate, to humiliate, to destroy, as if the suffering wasn't enough--the loss of innocence, the loss of everything to so many people. Since "the loss of everything to so many people" is obviously talking about the MCI, him finding a "new way to desecrate, to humiliate, to destroy" happens *after* the MCI.
4:40 I've said this in response to your RockstarMCI video, but the line "now *set* to new purpose, and *used* in ways I never thought imaginable" is *clearly* in the passive voice. The spirits are *being set* to new purpose and *being used.* This cannot refer to them *setting themselves* to a new purpose and *using themselves.* Someone (or something) else is setting them to a new purpose and using them for those things. Grammer matters.
8:15 I don't understand the point of asking the question "What makes one theory better than another when it's not obvious?" The answer is ironically obvious, as any person could tell you: the theory with greater evidence/arguments for it and less against it. If what you're really trying to say is "What makes one theory better than another when *they're on equal footing?",* then the answer is also obvious: neither of them is better, because they're on equal footing. If one of them actually *is* better, then the problem is with claiming they're on equal footing when they aren't (e.g. this video). Your biggest arguing point in these videos is preemptively framing all FFPS MCI theories as basically on the same footing, so that you can make usually secondary matters like narrative simplicity more important than they actually are.
8:33-9:13 is ironic. Yes, that's very intuitive and doesn't involve retcons or *any* implications to be made and *definitely happens on screen.*
9:15 "It's not really worth explaining as much as the entire remnant injection plotline." You're right. It's simpler, and a whole remnant injection plotline would need more explaining. Which is why the remnant injection plotline *was* explained with Henry's Insanity speech and the literal *"REMNANT INJECTOR"* of the SCUP (Scooper).
9:31 This is what I mean when I say you're giving usually minor matters too much priority. The amount of "homework" to do to come to a theory is *not that important* and not a good judge of how correct a theory is.
9:55 Again with erroneously putting all theories on equal footing: The existence of multiple theories to explain something in no way makes them equal. If two theories explain a plot point and "accomplish the same thing," but one does so half as convincingly as the other, that doesn't really mean much, does it?
10:20 Why would I consider a canon concept to be a plot hole? The same book series you're trying to use to prove SpringtrapMCI features soul-splitting. That is a very crappy line to draw with MoltenMCI. I find it very strange that you always take such issue with the concept of soul-splitting.
From the arguments you're making, it seems like you really just want to put theories in limbo and that you hold disdain for theories that people proclaim to be canon, with your entire goal being to conclude, "See? Maybe it's not true." In your RockstarMCI theory, you finished with saying that it didn't matter if there was some fatal flaw with RockstarMCI you didn't see, you just cared to prove that there were valid alternatives to MoltenMCI (even though the video wouldn't have proved any "valid" alternatives if there *were* a fatal flaw with RockstarMCI). It seems less like you're convinced in any of the alternatives that you bring up and more that you just loathe MoltenMCI.
Probably the biggest problem with the current state of fnaf channels is that everyone is constantly trying to come up with crazy theories that uproot widely accepted Canon just for content or to stir the pot. So hard to take these guys seriously when they nitpick wording like somehow everyone else has comprehension issues and they alone can see the truth
Honestly I think the best case for MoltenMCI is to take things at face value.
Scott isn’t a perfect writer and combined fnaf’s overbloated lore, he’s bound to make inconsistencies. So instead of trying to mash seperate pieces of media together, I think it’s better actually look at what FNAF 6 (the one he apprears in) was trying to say about Molten Freddy and the MCI kids.
During FNAF six’s insanity ending, the computer states that Molten Freddy has the most collective remnant and that his procurement is a crucial element to henry’s plan. During that very same scene, we hear Henry’s voice log talk about how the missing children are still trapped and that he needs to call them back.
So we know that the missing children are intended to burn in Henry’s flame and that Molten Freddy has the most souls. Plus we know these facts are in some way linked because they were both established in close proximity to each other.
So unless the funtimes killed half a dozen kids that we don’t know about, the MCI kids were most likely INTENDED to be in Molten Freddy.
you see i have a problem believing that the funtimes *didn't* kill half a dozen random kids -- that's literally their purpose and we know william has a bunch of remnant in the scooper anyway
I never got this argument. Why would William build animatronics to capture and kill children more effectively than he could ever have been himself and not used them? It's not like after Elizabeth died they were retired, the rental facility was still operational for years afterwards, we even saw a schedule for them in the lead up to the game's release. Just because we don't get the chance to learn who those children were doesn't invalidate their existence either.
@@calmcat5377 It's probaly both. The Funtimes have the remnants of the kids they killed *plus* the remnant from the Missing Kids.
@@calmcat5377 That is not mutually exclusive? Like there being other kids in there(I def believe that) does not mean the MCI kids cannot be in there. It just means there are other kids in there.
@@calmcat5377 Well, that's the catch: We really dont KNOW if they were ever used That Way, aside from the day Elizabeth died.
The Scooper? Honestly, probably slathered a bit of the MCI on it/stored them in there at one point.
They were PLANNED to kill children yes, but Circus Baby's Pizza World was also planned to open too, then unforseen consequences happened, and he shut it down :V
I think part of the problem you fall into with Henry's secret speech is that the speech wasn't made with the sole purpose of confirming MoltenMCI. It talks about what is Henry's role in the lore of this game and then says some things that (at least for me) kinda confirm MoltenMCI. That's why there's lines like "I have to call all of them together in one place" which obviously isn't talking about any MCI theory, because it's talking about all the scrap animatronics being lured in the pizzeria. But there's also lines like "little souls trapped in machines of my own making, now set to new purpose, and being used in ways I never thought imaginable" which does confirm MoltenMCI to an extent at least, since it's literally saying that the souls are now being used, which can't be explained by ScraptrapMCI since in that theory the souls are haunting William willingly, but in MoltenMCI they are not.
I don't think he's talking about the souls being used, based on the context it's more likely (at least as I read it) that the suits of Henry's making are being used in ways he never thought imaginable as I say in the video.
@@siresquawks Though he literally says it "tiny little souls, were trapped in machines, are set to new purpose, and now are being used" Just for the grammatical order that he puts it, the souls are the subject. He doesn't divert to talk about the actual "machines of my own making" he says the souls are/were:
1. "trapped in machines"
2. "set to new purpose"
3. "being used"
Just for grammar, this means he's talking about the souls. That they are being used.
@@nadie887 i think that the "tiny little souls, were trapped in machines, are set to new purpose, and now are being used" referers to mci kids in funtimes tbh, it just makes snese imo
@@Soundwqveknight exactly, and that's MoltenMCI. It's talking about the MCI souls because he literally said "tiny little souls, trapped in machines of my own making" meaning those souls were once trapped in the OGs. It's the MCI kids trapped in the funtimes now.
@@nadie887 counter point: moltendDCI
i feel like SL was proof that we dont need an MCI for every seemingly-aware set of animatronics. Afton was ahead of his time, im sure he was able to cook up a rudimentary AI
I like Molten MCI only because it gives "meaning" and "purpose" to the SL bunker experiments and supports more of the thematic idea that FNAF is a story about the supernatural and the sci-fi smashing into each other. To me it makes for a more interesting story to say a mentally deranged man with a robotics background discovers something supernatural on accident and then intentionally begins implementing/building things to interact with the supernatural element. The idea that he then creates a twisted self-justification then for killing (something I suspect he already had in him; Charlie being the evidence of that) and is driven more and more into madness chasing this idea just... Makes for a better story, to me. Because then you have Henry Emily; this guy who knows the bad man but is sane and moral and wants to make things "right" eventually. I just feel like if it's Springtrap MCI that makes UCN less impactful; UCN to me is like everyone finally having the chance to whale on their killer. If they were attached to him prior to then all burning up and being freed from their physical bodies to then attack him... I don't know, just, feels weird to me.
>discovers something supernatural on accident
Not ONLY The Supernatural...
The motherfucking HOLY GRAIL of Science.
Immortality, something an untold number of people, high and low, have died and killed for.
Philosopher's Stone.
Mercury Elixirs.
Fountain of Youth.
etc etc
Except this isnt a mere whiff or rumor of it, it's right there, with REAL proof in action. One he finds is reproductible.
>UCN to me is like everyone finally having the chance to whale on their killer.
I kinda fall in the camp of "it's just him and TOYSHNK", it's using his Past to torment him. Everything he's done, everyone he's wronged, even his own past.
I also fall under the "FNAF 6 Fire didnt work" group too :V
I got a crazy Take. What if the true answer is a mix of BOTH ideas? Hear me out now. It does involve a little bit of Soul Splitting. If we take the idea of William destroying the OG animatronics and melt them down to remnant. He inject the Funtimes with Remnants but in a sort of experiment for immortality. William ALSO injected HIMSELF WITH REMNANT. To see if it can extend his life. And let say in a way it’s does but also gets half the MCI spirits attached to him. While the other half are inside the Funtimes.
You see where I am going with this? Does this works for anyone? If you see issues with it, just politely let me know and we can talk.
The idea of a compromise theory is actually the subject of the bonus video for this one.
@@siresquawks Oh. Damn I must be able to see the future or something. Lol 😝 what a coincidence.
Interesting... joining the conversation, I thought of this. So, right from the games, without using knowledge of the books: In SL the SCUP is used on the animatronics which leads to one entity being Ennard. In between, through the website code and other teasers, you learn "Ennard" kicks Baby out of the entity In Fnaf 6 you find the blueprints of the SCUP, learning that it injects Remnant. It also confirms that it's 100% those 3 funtimes. Another thing it mentions is that fire should work, so it alludes to a situation where it may have been applied. Listening to candy cadet's story helps enforce that's what happened. Since Scott was telling a story through phrases and conversations, most of them wont seem natural. That said, I believe when Henry mentions "Luring them all back", he's just telling you, the player, the plot of the game. They're all showing up in the alleyway, because of his plan.
You can derive that the souls where injected into the funtimes as the blueprints seems to say "This was the plot of SL". All of that said, you do need to know what Remnant is and that is only described in the book.
I personally adhere to the Bucket Bob MCI theory.
I've been dealing with one of these issues: The location of Golden Freddy, everyone says is just a spiritual manifestation of Freddy/Cassidy/CC but we know from this logbook that there is indeed a physical springlock Golden Freddy suit but NO ONE can't tell where is it and i think as long that suit is out there, Cassidy can't move on and William won't die because of this.
9:36 I think what might, MIGHT, say which one is more trustworthy is when the books themselves came out. I don't know about Silver Eyes, but the Fazbear Frights series came out a while after, seemingly to help us piece together the lore from FNAF simulator and before. However, this is more so speculation and isn't really solid.
Phone guy does not say they are mostly crappy cosplays. His line suggests the people organizing the attraction have found at least one crappy cosplay, possibly more, but it does not mean most of the maks are crappy cosplays, especially since they are the same 3d model and seem to be the same masks seen in the bad ending.
Also, or at least I heard, according to Tales, apparently a fake wall was put in the saferooms, one that only opens from the outside. Which I think is why Springtrap gets for thirty years. No one suddenly went back to the location years later to lock Afton in the saferoom, the door just got shut and oopsie.
Interesting video. If we want to do extremely absurd amounts of soul-splitting, ever thought about how both SpringtrapMCI and MoltenMCI could be canon at the same time?
>Also, or at least I heard, according to Tales, apparently a fake wall was put in the saferooms, one that only opens from the outside. Which I think is why Springtrap gets for thirty years. No one suddenly went back to the location years later to lock Afton in the saferoom, the door just got shut and oopsie.
...that WOULD honestly explain that plot hole, damn.
My headcannon was that the MCI came in with Charlie, the DCI came in with William, and the experiment victims came in with Funtime Freddy- minus the bite victim (and maybe another one omitted) that stuck with Micheal to keep him alive after the Scooping.
Anyway, this is what is going in my comic.
In the context of "which is true?" I agree, as long as we get from point A to B, it doesn't really matter. In fact, I would go so far as to say with small stuff like this Scott purposefully wrote it as 'it could go one of two ways' as it is his style.
I think Mike is writing in the log book during fnaf 1, which considering he's already been through SL still makes springtrap MCI more plausible than molten MCI.
Except FNAF 3 is *also* featured, even though that couldnt have possibly existed pre-FNAF 1.
@@higueraft571 could have been Fredbears, the original Freddy's or like a prize counter thing line the one in help wanted
@@Cian-A-Jones It's definitely 100% absolutely the FNAF 3 office specifically.
It's a brand new location that was built in an Amusement Park as a walk-through horror house/museum of sorts, as per the intro newspaper (Coming Soon) + Phone Dude's dialogue.
Unless an Amusement park just happened to spring up around an abandoned rotting building over 40~ years until Phone Dude renovated it heavily?
@@higueraft571 phone dude seems like the guy to recreate an office from an old location, one that just so happens to be in the logbook that creepy purple skin man had.
@@Cian-A-Jones MAYBE? Although this relies on "Oh there happened to be a location LIKE FNAF 3's, but ONLY for the Guard Office", which is kinda odd.
Especially since none of the locations we know about would reasonably have such a layout.
It even has the same box of Toy masks, Bonnie's Guitar, and FNAF 1 posters too.
It's a bit grimier, and MAYBE possibly the desk is a different color? (Although that could be the green lighting making it look more grey-green here), and the lightbulb at the top is missing.
It definitely seems like a stretch to assume it's just "modeled after another location", with everything nearly exactly 1:1...
A note for Rockstar MCI, FNAF Special Delivery did have a un-used thing about Original Bonnie & Rockstar Bonnie being conneted, but again it was Unused (and seeing what happened with FNAF AR, It's uncertain with the intent of it)
Huh, I always thought that Cassidy was just "forgotten", left to rot in a unmovable animatronic suit with Evan until Henry was able to burn them all down.
Like the reason that Cassidy tormented William to the point where it was obsessive was because she was forgotten by everyone, including the person who was suppose to "save" everyone.
Probably just me being dumb tho ngl
I like the concept, but in a UCN line she says “they tried to burn us” Which means that she wasn’t forgotten. I think her vengefulness is more so out of being stuck in a spring lock suit
@@qualitytimewithted5160 yeah that honestly makes more sense, I just got confused because of that one cutscene in Ucn where the golden Freddy suit was shaking aggressively while the camera zoomed out.. it gave off the feeling of "one was missing" vibe if that makes sense? As if she was left behind or stayed behind in her iron prison while everyone else she knew was gone.
It made more sense in my head but thinking about it now.. Scott probably wouldn't have taken that direction tbh
@@Lustfullynova >it gave off the feeling of "one was missing" vibe if that makes sense?
More "I'm still here", it's a direct copy (if reversed) of the FNAF 3 teaser.
But yeah, i suspect the Enragement Child is 100% still kicking even in Ruin, William certainly was already...
>evan
(do note this isnt a canon name at all, it's a fanon name, "Greg/Greggory" or "Garrett" are likely much more "canon" :V)
Btw, I do hope you get that Shattered Elizabeth theory done because I like hearing a variety of different theories so I can compare and derive ideas from them, possibly allowing me to try and form my own derivative theory.
I agree.
The possible problem with Shattered Elizabeth is the fact that Baby is kicked out of Ennard between SL and FFPS. Who would kick her out if it was all Elizabeth (pun not intended)?
That means that (unless there is some other explanation to this) Shattered Elizabeth would have to coincide with some other possesion of the Funtimes
ShatterElizabeth has the funtimes as different pieces of Elizabeth's personality, the majority of her hates William, but one part still loves and looks up to him.
@@siresquawks the horny Elizabeth part be like:
*OH BIRTHDAY BOOOOOY*
@@siresquawks is there any evidence for the personality split tho?
@@Vlodya It's more based on Mike's Line "I put her back together just like you asked me to".
15:06 apparently when lighting is removed it's Shadow Freddy who I personally think is the half of Yellow Bear possessed by the CC from FNaF 4
Before now I was quite dismissive of SpringtrapMCI but this video got me reconsidering. It is actually quite an interesting theory and really does remind me of the Man in Room 1280 as you said. I mean hey if he can do it maybe the other ghost kids wanted in on the action. It also puts a nice bow on the story. Afton's final defeat and destruction also comes with the added bonus of freeing the children which I do like as I find it a bit hard to imagine any of the spirits calling it quits if the mouldy mfer is still wandering the earth in any form.
That actually makes sense from the story perspective
Serial killer has souls of his victims as part of him
If Frights are canon to games that would also fix Andrew's character or at least make his character way less random
I think the MCI kids could’ve gotten part of their remnant into the Funtimes through the toy animatronics getting scrapped.
This may be silly but maybe henry didnt know they were all combined into molten freddy, springtrap, or whatever else floats your boat so he wants to gather them all back while still thinking that they are individuals and not a combined character
I thought that happiest day set the mci spirits free?
It does. It's largely believed by a lot of the community that Happiest day just happens after 6 now instead of right after 3.
Balloon Boy MCI ??? 👀👀👀👀
BB the true mastermind behind the murders, he tampered with the animatronics in fnaf 2, he is the MIMIC... he wore the spring bonnie suit and slaughtered the kiddies because Daddy issues go RAH RAH RAH...
I completely agree.
Candy Cadet MCI.
Ooftroop clarified it's Balloon Boy DCI
@@vincentmorris8431 ooftrap just got that idea out of his @$$ because his FNAF timeline is made up you can tell ooftrap made it as a joke
Tbh I do like the idea of Springtrap MCI for many reasons. From being shown on screen and deriving from a more recent, less nonsensical book series, to the SL timeline problems it just feels more well built than Molten MCI.
I can definitely see soul splitting being a thing. It would support Charlie Plush, esp if the Fredbear plush comes from the prize counter
What if Mike never really returned the logbook and kept it until sister location?
The problem there being both a why and a how did Fazbear Entertainment get it back. The why seems simple enough - if Mike realises that the reworked text is somehow related to his brother, it would make sense for him to want to keep it. The how Fazbear Entertainment got it back (or even why it would be given to a next guard assuming the FNaF 1 pizzeria is closed by the time SL happens) is......... A hope I don't think anyone can fill.
im still not sure why you think William using the remnant to have the funtimes harvest more remnant is a plothole or logistical hole
when you get a valuable resource it tends to be used to get more of that resource instead of being instantly spent on a vanity project, if that wasn't the case we never would've discovered that iron breaks rocks good because we would've used it for "ooh shiny" instead of tools
also, the "Super Soul Splitting" section about needing two 100% whole souls existing simultaneously just summarizes my issues with VanessaPrincess perfectly lol
6:13 I think when he said all of them he meant the other entities too like the Puppet, Scrap Baby, and ScrapTrap or Molten Freddy
Molten Freddy is a fusion between MoltenDCI, Shattered Elizabeth and new victims-sources: cuz why not
Why do i unironically think theres a chance ill believe this theory lmao
Never thought i would here sonic music in your video but im happy with it
“Which books do you value”
Good question
I feel like we could argue that, whatever soul splitting the main four went through, Cassidy could have simply... Not?
Like, I've been on the possibility that Golden Freddy isn't really a real suit, so it could be that Cassidy can shapeshift (?)
Also, I'm wondering if William wanted to have the remnant of Golden Freddy, would it have been used for Yendo?
I mean, I feel like we can safely say that Golden Freddy as we see them in the games isn’t a real suit, unless you have a explanation on why they literally fade from existence or can turn into a floating head the size of a hallway.
This could also explain why Orville (‘toysnhk’talking through Orville) says they will not let William go “no matter how many times they burn us”
9:12 we also still have the events leading up to and after FNaF 1 to account for
I think both theories have huge inconsistencies, just like the rest of Fnaf's lore.
Here's my take.
The story has so many loose threads and unstable connections (ie; 2 MCIs, first one at Fazbear's, second one at the Fnaf 2 location, where did the puppet go during Fazbears Frights, how did the puppet wind up inside of Lefty, what is Lefty, where the funtimes actually possessed?)
Most of the first three game's continuity errors are a result of Scott attempting to write the series in a way that the fans enjoyed. He went all over the place, and in every direction. There's a ton of easter eggs in the first three games that exist just purely because they were imagery that Scott found nightmarish.
We can't expect all the pieces to fit nicely together. There's too many pieces that have had their contexts changed. We don't even know if the original 4 games are even canon at this point in time because of Steelwool's revision of the franchise.
We will never know for sure what Molten Freddy is. Or what happened with the spirits of both MCI incidents. Or if the puppet is still alive and kicking. I could list every tangible clue or hint in the whole series about what has 'actually happened', but that wouldn't help anything. They are all pieces that don't entirely fit into the puzzle.
The book series really only compounds this issue. By trying to write a series that neatly gives context for the story of the first four games, it overrides the actual story and clues from those games. By claiming those games never even happened means that we don't know if any of the original events ever even happened.
Fnaf lore has turned into a tar filled pit. The only things we know for sure is that we're seeing some of the old characters or characters that kinda seem like references to older characters crop up, devoid of context.
I feel like FNAF 6 feels better with MoltenMCI, but FNAF 3 feels better with SpringtrapMCI. Overall I feel like I prefer MoltenMCI but this is definitely an interesting idea
would fnaf 6 feel better with moltendci and fnaf 2 with toymci
@@Wizardjones69 no, the toys have never been important it'd be weird for it to suddenly mean something
@@randomrhino4371 its the same thing with bonnie bully being cassie's father
But how would henry know that springtrap has inside him other souls?
How the fuck does he know half this shit?
@@siresquawksyeah, good point. But still, I feel this one is too specific of a information for him to know. Like there is no evidence in springtrap behaviour to suggests that there are multiple souls attached to it, and probably Henry didn't have springtrap accessible to be studied. This is not to discredit your theory because it's not like is that much absurd than moltenMCI, like I still don't understand why William would even put the spirit of the kids in robots designed to kill children, and if he already had remnant why he even created the runtimes. Honestly the only thing that makes sense to me is that the MCI were already freed before Fnaf 6, but again why would Fnaf 6 put so much focus on them if they weren't in it.
Scraptrap mci + rockstar mci = rockstar scraptrap
You know, under MoltenMCI, theoretically, parts of the MCI remnant could be on ScrapBaby
Honestly I should just make my own video about it but
I think what’s most important for thinking of where the mci kids went is to look at the endo skeletons since I think the main way they possess the animatronics is actually through the endo. It’s a thing about the joy of creation line from the original that I think Scott used to form his ideas of remnant, agony, memories, and being put back together, and how those play a role in the possession of the animatronics. So the idea is that in fnaf 3 the animatronic suits are destroyed and it releases the phantoms of the kids and also the phantom animatronics so their remnant is what is left in the endo skeletons which disappear in the games after fnaf 3 we don’t see those again. And even the shells of the animatronics are all throughout the pizzeria but we never find the endo skeletons and we see the shells of the toy animatronics and we never see the endo skeletons so it is evidence that maybe William did melt them to create the funtimes. The dci could’ve played into this as well but it kind of just cleans up that theory by saying it doesn’t really matter if the dci happened or not because all of the remnant from that ends up in the same place as the mci kids so it inadvertently ties up that loose end and I think that’s the entire point of fnaf 6 right. There shouldn’t be any more loose threads after that game at least for what Scott intended do molten mci shouldn’t really be a question it’s really an answer to a problem he created when happiest day became about crying child what happens to the kids souls so by making fnaf 4 he had to re release the children’s souls because the masked kids in happiest day just become representative of crying child’s “friends” or imaginary friends in the characters on those masks who he stopped liking because people wearing Freddy’s masks killed him. So now we have the idea that the souls were actually remnant since it’s now more sci-fi based after fnaf 5 and the silver eyes trilogy / fnaf world. And so the phantoms become part of that whole thing where you can see memories of other people through remnant and that’s what the consciousness of the kids are manifesting through or something
Also isn't the Funtime created before FNAF 1, as that would mean FuntimeMCI doesn't make that much sense
Toy Chica beak mouth was inspired by laughing vengeful spirit souls reminds me of Balloon Boy As well. Think about it 😜
maybe single souls can exist in multiple states simultaneously...
Sorry off topic, but wanted to hear your thoughts on this if you have the time and inclination.
I noticed that the character encyclopaedia says that Glitchtrap is from the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience, the in-universe name for the fnaf VR game. Then I thought, is this meant to have been an in-universe encyclopaedia?
High chance it's just badly researched and written, (and it still is regardless) but that could explain the absence of Mike and hate towards Elizabeth if it's meant to be written by William's sympathisers.
Obviously if that was the actual intention then it should have been stated, even if subtly. I couldn't find anything else particularly 'in-universe sounding' in the text I had available to me, so not a strong theory, just a thought.
I feel like you've mentioned Shatter Elizabeth so many times its almost disingenuous to not make a video about it at some point xD
Why is Mangle (not funtime foxy) in the Logbook? Take a look at which animatronics, which series, are in the log book; Original Fazbear cast, Funtimes AND Mangle AND the Puppet AND the fredbear plush (and BB and JJ), but not fredbear. When you mentioned the logbook I picked it back up and started flipping through it again; Foxy is in his FNAF1 state of disrepair, the other FNAF1 characters show no damage. Bonnie is drawn at one point as a British Captain; sort of as the opposite of a Pirate. JJ is under a desk and the stick note says "don't mention the springlocks"... I really think the Logbook is a time stamp, I think it still holds a lot of information. Why does only Bonnie become discolored into a different color on the coupons as you progress further into the book?
This could tie into Fazbear's Fright being the makers of the book. It's a brand based on all the tragedies of fazbear's so them having the spooky versions and rumor interpretations makes sense.
I have my own idea for how this could work and I understand if you all do not like this I call it molten Agony MCI basically it kind of goes something like this every night in the follow me mini games William destroys one of the animatronics but when he does this the soul is released but a large amount of Agony is still left inside of the endoskeletons this is what William puts in each of the fun times not the actual Souls this could be the explanation for why the souls appear when William gets springlocked the agony their emotions not their actual Spirits were put in the fun times but the actual Spirits attach themselves to the FNAF 1 shells and maybe became the Phantoms or they could have attached themselves to Afton and that's how they end up in FNAF 3 and FNAF 6
FNaF 3 is after SL (Im going to come find you), the logbook isnt really contradictory hes in fazbear frights which is an open establishment talking about how crazy it is they made this place about his life and everyones okay with it
If Scraptrap is holding the MCI, then it solves the FNAF 3 and SL plot hole. If William is collecting the MCI Remnant in FNAF 3 then immediately gets springtrapped, then who the heck puts the MCI kids in the funtimes? Either he went to the bunker then returned to FNAF 3 mini game location for no reason just to die, or went there to put the remnant in the funtimes after surviving the FNAF 3 gameplay, or some other person put the remnant in the funtimes.
Simple: the funtimes are kinda obvius to have circus baby entertainment and rentals scooped random kids, why scott would built a concept of "scoop kids" and not use that?
edit: could be also the dci kids
While not the most important factor, when trying to figure out things about FNAF, i try to see from a narrative standpoint, What gives a satistying answer?, and I think that's why Molten MCI i so popular, because if we take Scraptrap MCI, Molten Freddy is now in a weird place on the PS story, that game was all about having the big players in the same place, so there's Mike, Elizabeth, Charlie, William, all characters we know well by that point, if the MCI really are in Scraptrap, Molten becomes the only guy in this game that's not related to well know characters of the games, because while the DCI could be a neat patch to that, let's be real, the DCI is completely ignored for the rest of the franchise, if PS wanted to throw a bone to that, they didn't really comunicate that intention, there's not much of FNAF 2 in PS(same thing with Funtime having their own victims, not much attetion id given to that in PS), like, at all, but the MCI have graves with names, so if feels like they should be one the important animatronics here, not just kinda hanging out with old Willy.
The references to Sister Location are the most annoying part of Molten MCI, but I don't think it's impossible for it to still work, It's a strech, but at the start of SL, Hand Unit already has "Mike" written on it, that could imply that Micheal has already been in this bunker, maybe not doing the same work that he does in the game as a technician, but he has, so references to the silly things Hand Unit says can still happen before SL.
Why no one talks about "scooped mci"? Kids being scooped by the funtimes, thats the most simple reason for the funtimes having souls
13:55 When you say where is golden Freddy if not in ennard I feel it would be best to say that golden Freddy is in spring/scraptrap because of ultimate custom night and the man in room whatever the number is Cassidy latches on William all the other Spirits probably went into fun times that became ennard that became molten Freddy
My problem with golden Freddy being possessed by two people is five things becoming one is probably referring to the souls and not the animatronics but there are six original Souls in fnaf one
don't really feel like going through all the comments to see if someone pointed this out, you might be addressing it in the followup anyway; what about "and to you monsters trapped in the corridors, be still, and give up your spirits, they don't belong to you"?
I mean you monsters is plural, so Springtrap, Molten Freddy, and Elizabeth are multiple monsters with multiple souls between them, including the MCI spirits in Springtrap (under scraptrapmci).
@@siresquawks This did cross my mind while thinking about it, but it'd be kinda weird to address these "monsters" separately from elizabeth and william, considering he speaks to them both directly in the same scene. Well saying that I suppose elizabeth could be part of the mix considering baby's on screen as that line is happening iirc. Still, saying "for MOST of you I believe there is peace and perhaps more bla bla" is really weird wording if he's just addressing liz and william, and not to mention molten freddy does show up during that specific line as well. I don't think william fits into this section as he's separately addressed with the don't keep the devil waiting old friend thing.. I guess he could just be referring to the hypothetical victims of the funtimes that now reside within them maybe?? weird line of dialogue
@@bunnii-latte9182 I'd recommend rereading the context of the monster's line because you're arguing it's being used differently than it is. He clearly uses "you monsters" to refer to basically everyone there, then clarifies that Afton's soul should go to hell. It really doesn't favor any theory honestly.
@@siresquawks nah you're right, I wrote this at like 5 am thinking I was onto sumn lol, the monsters line diverges into "for most of you"(elizabeth, whatever else?) and "although for one of you"(william)
I'm not familiar with the novels, but is it possible that remnant and souls are different? Like, the souls are souls. And when the souls are bound to the metal, the metal becomes remnant, but the souls are still souls, they're just bound to the metal by remnant. This is why the haunted animatronics have personalities that are mostly derived from the mascot's personality rather than the souls. In this way, remnant is more like a horcrux -- except the soul may or may not actually be split, it's just bound to this plane by the metallic remnant
It's PRETTY likely Remnant *is* the Soul.
Agony and Love are both components of/are "Remnant", even if they arent in metal.
Infact, both of those "Components" are specifically Dark and Light Remnant from AR.
Both combined likely creates a whole "Soul", much like how Henry created one by just pouring his love and agony into an Ella doll, creating a whole-ass person he Gaslit into believing they WERE his daughter "Charlie".
> This is why the haunted animatronics have personalities that are mostly derived from the mascot's personality rather than the souls.
This IS covered by the books in a fairly simple way
The Dead Forget.
They slowly forget about who they were, and potentially what happened to them, the Novel kids even forgot that Springtrap was their killer, and began to believe they WERE the characters, until they were "put back together".
And the Trilogy kids who had forgotten had only been in there for 10 years, too...
Now imagine if The Blob *was* Molten Freddy via MoltenMCI too:
Killed by William in 1985, stuffed into suits in brutal fashion > Left to rot for 2 years > Scavenged for parts to fit into Toys/TOYSHNK possibly gaining another level of Vengeance Rank if William used her for a possible DCI > Shipped to FNAF 1 location and Refurbished > Torn apart, melted into a Child Soup, split into chunks > Shocked repeatedly and trapped in a bunker for god knows how much of that 30 year span > Finally Reunite, and wander the region for an unknown about of time > Lured into FNAF 6 and Burned, trapped for yet ANOTHER 10 years or so underground...
This may be why they're little more than a Feral Thing *50 years* after they died :V
Maybe I missed something you said, but in Help Wanted it was found that there are 4 melted down endo skeletons, FNaF 1 endo skeletons.
I feel like the answer is maybe a combo of different things. But overall it would seem molten MCI is the theory Scott is nudging us towards.
Golden Freddy really is the odd one out here, since the suit isn’t in Animatronic mode. It cannot walk around and be dismantled like the others in “Follow Me”. This would imply that in order for Cassidy/Andrew to be present in FNaF 6, they would need to be somehow melted down into Molten Freddy/Ennard, or the Spirit has just been clinging to SpringTrap since … Afton died????
Which begs the question, if Golden Freddy is in Molten Freddy/Ennard … how? The Help Wanted finding only shows 4 endoskeletons, not 5, and without the Suit being destroyed how is Cassidy able to be with Molten Freddy/Ennard?
These aren’t questions that can be answered by simply making a new game or book I feel, you can’t be cryptic with something *THIS SPECIFIC*
See, my interpretation is something with even less evidence, but imo is more narritively satisfying. ScraptrapMCI, and MoltenDCI. That means, that in the Fnaf6 Fire, *EVERYONE* is there to be burned and have the potential to move on. The MCI kids and Cassidy attached to William, the DCI kids as Molten Freddy, Elizabeth, Charlie, Henry, Michael... They all would be there. Obviously we know Cassidy doesnt move on, and torments William forever in UCN (at least until he _possibly_ comes back as Glitch/Burntrap)
EDIT: He mentions MoltenDCI in passing in the video XD. Probably shoulda watched it all the way through before making my comment. But my point still stands.
yeah ikr its kinda hard to pin point what's what i think molten mci makes more sense then a springtrap one but with both there's just so many problems some answers but then holes in them and then it starts to be confusing i think it really would have just made more sense for them to stick around with charlie and help free other kids then just be put in other animatronics by being melted down then cling to something else and then fnaf 6 can happen your probably wondering how that would work considering their broken but tbf they don't exactly have to be in anything to my knowledge to interact in some way plus they could probably take control on almost anything also just a side thought i know its not true and probably will never be but i have had the idea that fnaf 3 might just be a different area in or redesigned fnaf 1 location just a thought plus also the endo skeletons they could totally just posses that and well they know how to stuff things in suits so its not like they can't just use the other spare heads and and bodies if they ever did choose to stick around with charlie also i mean i think its obvious but who else would charlie be trying to help who else is still trapped besides baby which oh man i could definitely some something cool of a rivalry like the books and idk some other kids maybe micheal maybe possibly bite victim maybe someone else idk maybe trying to also convince cassidy to chill out for a bit and eat some hoagies
Question: While it is implied through dialog and Springbonnie usage, is he EXPLICITLY called "William Afton" directly, by name in the Fazbear Frights books? Not Springtrap, not some alias, but directly "William Afton"?
I am working out a FazProp theory [Fazbear Propaganda] that the main gameplay loop stuff in the Scott FNaF games [cameras, flashlight, lures, doors, mask, vents etc], the Fazbear Frights books and either the Silver Eyes Trilogy OR the Tales from the Pizzaplex books are in-universe coverup FazProp [based on the lines in Help Wanted and the fact that Fetch, Scraptrap ans Plushtrap are merch/arcade games in Help Wanted and Security Breach].
The Silver Eyes and Tales Books tell very different origins for the company, and William Afton is the key to Which is propaganda. Unless Afton [in Steel Wool continuity] actually existed and was convicted for his crimes, his name in Fazbear Frights implies that his story and thus the whole Emily / Afton family story are exaggerated propaganda by Fazbear Inc. There still might have been a killer in the Springbonnie suit, but William Afton wasn't his name, and it is Edwin/David, not Henry/Charlie that are the creators.
Confirmation will also come in what form the Sister Location and FNaF6/UCN stuff is incorporated into HW2, if it keeps the video game tester storyline.
Note, under this theory, the 8-bit minigames, the Pizza sim part of FNaF6 [not the end of night stuff], and potentially FNaF World are depictions of actual events, since to my knowledge, the 8-bit minigames weren't in Help Wanted. [they also don't use the Afton/Emily Names].
If the Silver Eyes turns out to be the cover-up, then Gregory drawing Burntrap/Scraptrap comes from his having played FNaF6 or UCN.
If Tales is the Tie-in Merch, then Burntrap is William and he always comes back.
The Tangle/Blob is interesting since it has both an analog in Fazbear Frights, the games in question, and in Ruin, since it is either the Stitchwraith/Agony Amalgamation or Ennard/Molten Freddy.
He's called "Afton" in Frights
@siresquawks thanks, how the SL stuff is handled in HW2 will confirm or debunk my theory. The confounding thing is how both stuff from Silver Eyes (well, specifically Twisted Ones) and the Tales books are both shown in some form in Ruin, but potentially contradict each other. The Edwin vs Henry as creator is the sticking point.
@@Lightman0359 >then Gregory drawing Burntrap comes from his having played FNaF6 or UCN.
This kinda doesnt work. You'd have to take some HEFTY Liberties to cook up Burntrap's Design from Springtrap/Scraptrap.
Personally:
Burntrap is William, and IS still Canon, alongside most events as we see them.
We do know that the only games made by Fazbear were FNAF 1-3, then ALSO the 1-SL or so VR games (referenced as specifically being VR games in-setting). So everything 4-UCN is likely still Canon as we see it play out.
@higueraft571 I'm not saying I like my own theory, just trying to think like a hack game designer trying to put some stank on an established franchise, like how JJ Abrams made nonsensical decisions in both Star Trek and Star Wars to... make whatever those movies were.
The "FNaF1-3 are in-universe games" thing is the same as Nimoy in JJ Trek1 looking into the camera and saying essentially 'this isn't my Star Trek'.
I really hope it isn't the case and by bringing it up online anyone from Steel Wool that somehow sees the comments can see how bad even considering this idea is and doesn't.
I have posted similar on other FNaFtubers and you are the first to bite. Please poke more holes in this.
Idk if this is stupid or not but could one of the two be the DCI kids and the other be MCI so they’re ALL in one place?
I don't really see anything weird about William just taking the parts offscreen. This whole thing blatantly was not the intent back in FNAF 3, that was supposed to be the last game. So Scott used the insanity ending to gently reveal what is going on in the new lore he envisioned.
The insanity ending monologue does not go 'off topic' to talk about the Funtimes. Most of it is about the Funtimes. It is all about how William did something even worse to the kids after killing them that took away what they had beforehand. And he had to undo what he had done to help them move on. It is pretty consistent with the interpretation that he is talking about William putting the kids in the funtimes. Them being trapped in prisons of his making was in the past tense, with the 'now' part leading to the current situation. They were set to a new purpose by William.
I’m a huge MoltenMCI hater personally, but I can’t deny it would make fnaf6 all the more satisfying than it already is, given that molten freddy is literally the only character being burnt that would have like… zero actual relevance, and having it be the 5 MCI kids would legit be every single major player all being ended at once would be pretty satisfying, albeit still confusing with how we got there. Either way, if MoltenMCI is real, happiest day probably takes place after fnaf6, which is a better ending for Charlotte and the kids, since she doesn’t have to fake move on and continue living, but it would also mean the Crying Child has to wait a RIDICULOUS amount of time to be set free for like, no reason (assuming the golden freddy mask kid is indeed CC, instead of Cassidy/Andrew/TOYSNHK whatever) Additionally, Henry’s Line “it’s time to rest, for you, and for those you have carried in your arms” makes even more sense if MoltenMCI is in fact what was being implied, since he’s actually setting free the kids she gave new life to and whatnot
But then MoltenMCI almost has to require either soul splitting or retconning or some insane sequence of events, which I hate. This series exhausts me
Fnaf 3 with springtrap mci is more satysfying lol
unpopular opinion but i dont think the mci spirits are ever present in the fnaf 6 location. theres no place where they fit without causing problems and theres not even much pointing to the idea of them being there
So uh... which kids IS Henry talking about then? Who are the Give Gifts Give Life kids?
@@higueraft571 the kids from save them
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is-is lefty mci not as stupid as I thought it was?
Im kinda spit ballin here but what if the Insanity Ending speech takes place before Fnaf3? If the theory that Fnaf3 and Fnaf6 takes place in the same year (2023) is true, which I believe it is. It could be that Henry is the one that started Fazbear Frights to free the MCI kids by burning what remained of their animatronic shells to then find that not only William/ Springtrap came back but so did Charlie/ Puppet. So he tries a second time in FFPS with the main focus being to burn the remains of the 4 animatronics we see in that game. This could explain why the Insanity Ending speech heavily references follow me (A minigame played in Fnaf3) but also is relevant to the story in FFPS because FFPS would essentially be fnaf3 part 2.
Also in a meta sense this lines up with how Fnaf3 was supposed to be the ending but due to fan reception and also Scott wanting to expand the story FFPS kinda became the second ending in the series (sorry fnaf4 lol)
sorry I thought this was funny but could it also be that the "somehow found this job listing not intended for you" was referring to phone dude lmao
@@WindsAwakendsbut the thing is that TOYSHK talking through Orville Elephant said this to William Afton “He tried to release you. He tried to release us. But I’m not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here. No matter how many times they burn us.” Which they in Orville Elephant’s death quote still could had been referring to both Michael Afton and Henry. Meaning Michael Afton for the fire at Fazbear’s Fright and Henry for the fire at the Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza Place. And also for Henry’s quote “somehow found this job listing not intended for you” was still referring to Michael Afton. Since not one Phone Dude is still either alive and not doing anything related to Freddys or was killed offscreen and didn’t possess anyone, but also certain quotes from William Afton and Molten Freddy’s “Together aga-ain!” and probably even Scrap Baby’s “You’re not who I expected to see.” still seems to be referring to someone who would they know or at least met before. Even then Phone Dude would actually want to escape and not stay especially for the fire to die, but not for Michael Afton.
The for answer fnaf 6 is that it is a game where you play stuff and sometimes and extra stuff like other endings 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
Another thing to note. When Springtrap shows up in FNAF 3, so to do the phantoms. Almost as if he brought them with him. I know most people dismiss them as hallucinations, but wouldn't it make sense that they where the children's souls doing the same thing they'd done for the last few decades (attacking night guards). But that also brings up the questions of where is bonnie, and why is mangle there?
Fazbear Frights implies that Springtrap can create hallucinations resembling the person's biggest fear (which to Michael are the Phantoms we know. Also, that bit is from the story What We Found), but if you're willing to, you may say that they're the children coming with William because they're clinging onto him. To me, both are equally good explanations.
For some reason I had to watch it at .75 speed
What Is even happening anymore
who knows
If scraptrap mci were the the real deal. Who would be possessing molten freddy then?
moltendci
@@Wizardjones69 I feel like "afton TOYSNHK" is relatively believable, but I feel like the CC and the other 4 mci kids remnant are in the funtimes
@@sparx6766 it could be pretty much that willian collected the remnant from the kids in fnaf 2 and injected them in the funtimes
@henriquefigueiraferreira1608 yea but then what would happen to the souls of the kids in the mci? Also the dci souls I feel like have no story relevance besides fnaf 2 and maybe 3
@@sparx6766 so we have to think that jimmy neutron MCI and moltenDCI coexist together, or happiest day happens after or at the same time as fnaf 3
Ive always preferred the supernatual elements of old fnaf. SpringtrapMCI is a better story to me.
What the fuck is a Shatter Elizabeth
I think its the theory about elizabeth mind or soul being split in all the funtime animatronics
what about MoltenDCI...
What about toymci..........
@@Wizardjones69 idk who that is
@@CharaViolet withereds parts used to built the toy animatronics in fnaf 2, thats why they have the 1985 souls
People who believe moltenmci 🗿🗿🗿🗿 People who believe moltendci 🗿🗿🗿🗿 People who believe they have their own victims 🗿🗿🗿🗿 People who believe springtrapmci🗿🗿🗿🗿 People who believe rockstarmci 🗿🗿🗿🗿shatter elizabeth 🗿🗿🗿🗿
Toymci:
I personally don’t think any book takes priority over another book. The only time I would say a book is more important is the Survival Logbook, because unlike the other books this book is confirmed 100% canon. Great video btw.
I feel like Tales was confirmed canon, especially with the description literally being that they "take place in the world of the newest games" and that Tales is currently our only source for the Mimic backstory.
So I would argue Tales is 100% more important
@@Personian >take place in the world of the newest games
I mean...
Scott in the Novel era said that the Trilogy takes place in the same Universe.
...however they're different *timelines* in the same world.
good video
You have been doing this youtube thing for 7 yearss please upgrade your audio quality
I’ve had a channel I’ve messed with for 7 years. I’ve actively used it for 7 months. My mic is nice. It can make nice audio, it just sometimes doesn’t and I can’t always figure out why.
@@siresquawks physical sound proofing can go a long ways, as well as digital noise reduction, something that can be easily done on audacity
Freddy Fazbear
100% agree
what if springtrap MCI is true and the good ending is us releasing the 5 spirits from springtrap, thats why his name changes to William Afton (Scraptrap) because now he is just william
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I do sort of agree, don't really like MoltonMCI (although that's mostly for it retconning the good ending of FNAF 3), which is why I sort of like to think the Funtimes were the FNAF 2 robots souls (again, if those even had any to begin with which they probably do) Even SpringtrapMCI still erks me for keeping those kids souls around to 6 when 3 says they should be gone by now.... but if they are just sort of hanging onto William it is a little better.
I don't think 3's ending/happiest day is "retconned" as much as it is moved later in the timeline. It just happens in 6 now.
@@siresquawks That also works too. It's all very confusing, but even still the good ending with the bots heads is still another part of it where it's hard to see the original 4/6 souls end in 3, then to have to appear again in pizza sim and sort of 'cheapen' 3's good ending. More just me wanting a satisfying ending than anything else rlly.
@@trainmaster36productions Honestly, i kinda fall into the "Happiest Day was retconned" group. It annoyingly doesnt really FIT anywhere, unless it was only specifically CC "moving on" for some reason, which may put it/World at 3 or earlier then.
>More just me wanting a satisfying ending than anything else rlly.
Alas, i dont think that'll be until Cassidy fucks off, she's gonna keep William alive, which'll likely keep the MCI kids around too, and Charlie
Cassidy is The Problem Child here :V
Personally, like this theory better than moltenMCI, anything to get away from the bad sci-fi stuff
>anything to get away from the bad sci-fi stuff
It's been haunting the series as early as FNAF 2, and it's gonna keep doing so :V
...also i'm not sure why people seem to think Remnant is "Sci-fi", it's a Mysterious Soul Juice that possesses Objects that seems made up of Emotions and Memory, with some aspects having special properties.
Wheel of Time, Mistborn, ESPECIALLY Fullmetal Alchemist (by far the most "Sci-fi" Magic System)
I guess it's because William is studying it, which is nerdy/"science shit"? Even though that's also Wizards.
SL is definitely Sci-fi, but i mean... We've got hyper-advanced robots in 1987 connected to a "Criminal Database" that can read faces, ones that can walk around on TWO legs, and dont forget the Springlock suits with enough force to rival a Car Spring for each springlock.
@@higueraft571remnant is just a substance to make ghosts and souls being overcomplicate because for the sake of it, we can accept tye toys and the springlocks, but the funtimes are downright unrealistic for fnaf logic of fnaf 1--4
@@Wizardjones69 >remnant is just a substance to make ghosts and souls being overcomplicate because for the sake of it
It basically just gives the "Weird Possession Shit" a name, and explains how stuff like the Toys even *exist* to begin with.
We know kids werent shoved in them, yet they act possessed.
>but the funtimes are downright unrealistic for fnaf logic of fnaf 1--4
Robots built for killing kids? Tly the main "Sci-fi" aspect is likely *just* the Mimicry.
Which, admittedly, if they're more advanced than today, we DO have the AI which is built for mimicking voices already. It's not perfect but it definitely exists...
(Not to mention it could also be seen as a *much* more advanced version of stuff like the Speak & Spell... which funnily enough released in *1983* too.)
@@higueraft571 and why scraptrap dont looks nothing like springtrap if remnanr explain that? Who wanted in the flesh? Who wanted grumdrop angel?
@@Wizardjones69 >and why scraptrap dont looks nothing like springtrap if remnanr explain that?
Definitely a questionable one in general that really NOTHING explains.
Seemingly a combo of "Wow holy shit Scott sucks at humans, holy FUCK" and "Weird plot reasons, assuming it's even Canon anymore (Security Breach throws this into question)"
Remnant doesnt really explain jack shit about that, but neither does Sci-fi in general, "Weird Plot Shit(tm)" would though :V
>Who wanted in the flesh? Who wanted grumdrop angel?
Assuming those even *do* exist to begin with.
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You're overcomplicating everything
Actually it's simpler but whatever
No matter what anybody says, nothing will ever make more sense than HappiestMCI.
The souls were freed in the fire at Fazbear's Fright. We know that fire doesn't forcibly free the soul, only unbinds it from the metal. FNAF World was always about putting everything in place for Happiest Day, FNAF3 did a Ruin and melded the digital world that the Agonized Animatronics exist in with the Real World that the Souls exist in, and allowed an interloper to carry out Happiest Day and free the souls, thats why we haven't seen them since, they're gone, all save the Puppet, who we see refused to be set free and chose to keep going.
None of this "Well technically, we never hear that Follow Me all takes place on the same night so maybe-" nonsense. None of this soul splitting. None of the book nonsense. Happiest Day was it, that was the end, until the day you can prove beyond a doubt that it was something else, which never happens in this series, they all left during Happiest Day.
> thats why we haven't seen them since, they're gone, all save the Puppet, who we see refused to be set free and chose to keep going.
...and Cassidy/TOYSHNK.
We SEE them still twitching in a reversed 1:1 of FNAF 3's Teaser.
Assuming the Gfreddy wasnt them for some reason.
This also raises the question of "what the hell IS Ennard/Molten Freddy?"
Also raises the question if "No Soul Splitting", what happens if you cut a possessed animatronic in half?
@@higueraft571 Happiest Day is the building burning, so they're still haunted until after FNAF 3.
Ennard is more complicated, but still pretty simple. Agony. You know of it, but theorists treat it as "Remnant but angry" but when we're introduced to it we get an actual answer. Machines can experience trauma just like humans, they can experience any emotion, but pain and sorrow is the most potent. That's why we see OG Freddy pausing when Charlie gets Williamed. That's why an animatronic that isn't haunted can be animate. They remember what happened, the souls are secondary. Within this series there are two animating forces: Possession and Provenance. Objects, robots, machines have memory, and that memory can animate for better, but typically for worse.
One example is the Security Puppet going outside to cradle Charlie's body. That thing wasn't haunted until after it went out, so why else would it go out?
Ennard and the Funtimes aren't haunted at all, we get a straightforward answer as to what they are. They're normal robots that got tortured, ripped apart, electrocuted, and abused. That's why the Mimic is the Mimic. These things can see, they can feel, and they can become angry, bitter, and sad.
If you don't like it, well I'm sorry, but that's literally what Phineas Taggart said it was, and if Agony exists, that's what it is.
No matter what anybody says, it will always make more sense that the MCI were freed in Happiest Day, and *again* freed doesn't mean they passed on, freed means the Remnant is gone and the soul is no longer forcibly trapped in the metal.
@@thefrogthatknows5251 >Agony. You know of it, but theorists treat it as "Remnant but angry" but when we're introduced to it we get an actual answer.
Honestly, how i interpret it is simple:
Agony and Love are a Component/type of Dark and Light Remnant specifically.
Dark and Light Remnant mixed together create a "Soul".
Agony being the strongest form of Dark Remnant, like Love is the strongest form of Light Remnant.
Structured like so:
Love ??? ???
v v v
Light Remnant (Book "Remnant")
v
Soul
^
Dark Remnant
^ ^ ^
Agony ??? ???
Hell, we even get a good example of this in the Trilogy books, Henry pours his Love and Agony into that Ella Doll, treating it as if it WERE Charlie, and created a Soul from it. Something seemingly healthy with no real issues or "side-effects" of being Artificial, in a sense.
...one he proceeded to gaslight into believing it WAS Charlie of course, but still.
>That thing wasn't haunted until after it went out, so why else would it go out?
Because it was programmed to protect Charlie, and keep her indoors? It was also shorting out and "dying", because the rain was frying it.
If it's plan was to scoop her up and bring her back in, it has to reach her first, even if it has to drag itself onto her before it soon dies too.
>That's why the Mimic is the Mimic.
The Mimic (from the books specifically) had Edwin *pour* his Agony into Mimic, much like Henry poured his Agony (and Love) into that Ella doll.
The "Machines feel agony and self-possess" IS an interesting idea, and one that fits similar beats that mine does...
Although you immediately have to ask: "Why arent the Glamrocks possessed the same way?" Freddy ABSOLUTELY should be, and Roxy, maybe even Monty if you count his legs being smashed and such, and the Anger Issues.
Really the only one who might not be is Chica.
>and again freed doesn't mean they passed on, freed means the Remnant is gone and the soul is no longer forcibly trapped in the metal.
???
So did they Pass On or not? What *exactly* keeps them there to begin with? And where'd said spirits go anyways?
If they didnt Pass On, this means Happiest Day "Failed".
When Andrew Passed On in the Stichwraith Stingers (i believe, the only definitive hard confirmed Passing in the series, where someone left the Living World and went to the Afterlife), he didnt leave behind any Angry Ghost Goo (which Jake would have definitely noticed i imagine), he simply Peaced Out from the Stitchwraith AND the Plot entirely.
@@higueraft571 But Remnant isn't the glowy soul juice the fans say it is. According to the books and blueprints it's just metal that has a soul bound to it. Heat unbinds the soul from the metal. The Scooper was designed to harvest Remnant from the Funtimes, but they never had Remnant, and Baby knew how to hide her's as she explains in game, so the Scooper was never able to harvest them, but when they acted up they were assumed to be haunted and Scooped, but it never worked. The same mechanics that would free the soul from the Remnant and re-ensnare it in the Scooper removed Michael's soul, but could not capture it, and kind of just left it there in his body, making him a Revenant.
Glamrocks do get traumatized. Roxy is actively sobbing, Monty is actively screaming, the body of Freddy who no longer has a head actively tries to kill us. Chica, well, Chica doesn't really have much characterization let's be fair that ones a brick wall.
Charlie didn't pass on, because she wants to shoulder the burdens. Cassidy or whoever the hell is in Golden Freddy might've passed on, but more realistically stayed behind. Whether or not Happiest Day "worked" or not for them isn't quite relevant, it still makes more sense than "The Souls got crammed into this other thing that we have no meaningful evidence for, then they stayed there until the second fire and *that's* when they were freed."
It is, for all intents and purposes, the better answer, because we have nothing in the plot of the game that demands otherwise and Happiest Day, as well as the FNAF 3 ending, is the most overt display of what could be happening and requires no assumptions to be made.
@@thefrogthatknows5251 >According to the books and blueprints it's just metal that has a soul bound to it.
Except we *know* it isnt JUST metal. We're straight up told that Metal is simply the best Conductor of it. The description described it as a bubbling/glowing silvery liquid in appearance, similar to Mercury. Not that it IS Mercury.
How does Book Charlie work by the way? That's neither a machine NOR metal, and yet the Ella Doll became possessed. Thus there should be no Remnant or Soul period, no Life.
>but when they acted up they were assumed to be haunted and Scooped
So why havent they been scooped the OTHER times they tried to escape? Making a run for the exit/outside is pretty *strange* gonna be honest, especially several times.
>Heat unbinds the soul from the metal.
This also contradicts the Scooper blueprints (where the whole "Fire destroys Remnant" thing even came from to begin with) to a degree, which states that Sustained Heat makes it Inert and Malleable as long as it's applied to the storage tank. Not that it causes the Soul Juice to Fall Out of it.
And that there's a chance that even higher heat *may possibly* have a chance of making the effect permanent.
Infact, it's pretty likely said "inert"/stunned state is what the Controlled Shocks briefly cause too. A sudden flash of fairly high heat going through all the Remnant AND Electrically conductive metal.
>Glamrocks do get traumatized. Roxy is actively sobbing, Monty is actively screaming, the body of Freddy who no longer has a head actively tries to kill us. Chica, well, Chica doesn't really have much characterization let's be fair that ones a brick wall.
Yet again, they got Shit Going On personality-wise, yet the ONLY one with any form of hint of Possession would be Freddy, who states that "I AM NOT ME" line, which... honestly could be many things.
Is it Possession? By who if anyone? Is it referring to Glitchtrap/Mimic? Or perhaps having realized he isnt THE Freddy Fazbear (he already has a small Existential Crisis when he finds the room he was made in, about this subject)? Could he even be going "Rampant"?
As far as we know though, while we know Trauma CAN bring things to life, such as the Book Charlie i keep referencing, the only evidence we DO have of that is from something Alive giving life to something Not.
From the ones i can think of off the top of my head:
Henry > Ella
Jake > Simon
Though i will admit Glamrocks are CERTAINLY a Grey Area where the rules could bend, since i believe they're one of *the* first self-aware AIs/Animatronics in the entire series, which ARE capable of feeling emotion and thinking on their own.
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