Thanks Jose - love this. PG and Presence are my favourites so the ‘what if’ template is a lovely indulgence. Keep up the good work my man, you continue to be an absolute Zep trouper. My own take is that I love PG as it is, but the 8 new songs alone with IMTOD and ITL both trimmed, would have resulted in an even more popular and cohesive album. By the by, nobody ever talks about the middle minute of Down by the seaside- it’s stellar!
My running order for Physical Graffiti single LP Side 1 1. Custard Pie 2. Trampled Under Foot 3. In My Time of Dying Side 2 1. In The Light 2. Ten Years Gone 3.. Kashmir Outtakes The Wanton Song and Sick Again Presence Side 1 1. Achilles Lasts Stand 2. For Your Life 3. Sick Again Side 2 1. Nobody's Fault But Mine 2. The Wanton Song 3. Candy Store Rock 4. Tea For One
@@giancarlosilano8690 the LP time limits on a single LP Physical Graffiti is within 45 minutes, and the Presence alternative version is also within the time limit
Physical Graffiti is a statement...like a 3 hour podcast today, it's done because...they were big enough to do it. I love this album because of its boldness. Yes you could make a "single" but what if they had done....a triple album?
My version of Presence if this alternate logic became reality would be... Achilles Last Stand The Rover For Your Life Hots on For Nowhere Nobodys Fault But Mine The Wanton Song Houses of the Holy Tea For One And perhaps the title could be changed to either "Swan Song" or "Achilles Last Stand" Now...this album would be considered one of their best i think
excellent! I'm reading fans' alternate track listings and they are awesome... just wondering about their length and if they wouldve fit the 1 album time restraint...
Off subject question. JCM, it has been 40 years ago that "The Firm" was put together by Paul Rodgers and Jimmy Page. Did you ever consider doing an exclusive documentary video on them? To this day I still play both CDs. Some good stuff there.
As years go by I love this album more and more. I bought the vinyl in January 1990 a month before my 21 birthday. I have the remastered versions but the first CD edition is awesome. So if it was a single album, it would be a brilliant single album. Instead it’s a double brilliant album!
Nice work as always! Really like these “alternate universe “ ponderings. Graffiti would have benefited as a single disc. There is some filler, good filler, but filler. And the double Coda idea is brilliant. PS on a tangent intro krautrock: have you heard the title track from Kraftwerk’s Autobahn? Towards the of its epic 20 minutes there’s a synth line that I believe JPJ lifted (borrowed) for the intro for In the Light! Check it out
Yo Jose - could you maybe do a Presence "discussion" vid? I do not understand why it is so slammed. The music absolutely jumps off the record with Jimmy's "guitar army," Jones' new Alembic tone, arguably Bonzo's best album, and Plant's painful anguish. I can feel and sense the frustration of their personal issues of the last few years and their sesnse of urgency to reclaim their place at the top. Nothing in '76 was even close to this.
Presence discussion! I'm up for that, how do you think i should do it? I ask because i did the two part series on it, but yeah i hear you, Presence it's their FINEST Rhythm section work. Just Jones and Bonham alone made that record SUCCEED!
I know a lot of this is in my head, but I couldn't imagine the feel of the same songs if they were broken up and put on different albums. You associate each album with the metamorphosis of the band and time period, however wrong this might actually be. I guess the time period is only of reference because even though I didn't discover the band until 1980 I do remember a lot of the 70's. I always associate Physical Graffiti with the long hot UK summer of 1976 - 'Down by the Seaside', 'Black Country Woman' recorded outside on a sunny day. I know the timeline doesn't match, but that's just the feel I get and the association I make. Interesting to think that Coda could've been so much better though. I rarely listen to it apart from Bonzo's Montreux, which is utterly fabulous. Interesting video, so thanks.
Down by the Seaside could've been on Houses instead of Jamaica i think...it had some Elton John 1973 keyboard vibes you know? Oh man i LOVE CODA, in full. Bonzo's Montreux agree, is OUTSTANDING! Thanks for watching !!
Side 1 1. Custard Pie 2. In My Time of Dying 3. Trampled Under Foot 4. Kashmir Side 2 1. In the Light 2. Ten Years Gone 3. The Wanton Song 4. Sick Again
Well done sir! The only thing I would have changed was that the double album Coda would’ve had Sugar Mama, Wanton song, Dyer Maker, and the Crunge in place of Were Gonna Groove, White Summer, Traveling Riverside Blues (all are live tracks so they broke your rule), and the 2 Presence tracks. In a perfect world Hey hey what can I do, the Rover, and Houses of the Holy would’ve been released with their respective album sessions recordings. Hats off to Harper was a studio cover jam medley that wasn’t even remotely as good as the feel so bad/fixin to die/that’s alright medley or even the Keys to the Highway / Trouble in Mind medley recorded at the same time. I think everything else we have seen was unfinished.
Like you i wish Hey Hey What Can I Do should have been on III! but maybe it's pop single power was a bit distracting from the album, this is why i feel III is the most consistent conceptually speaking. You are right about Sugar Mama, they had it in the can too!
Agree! I think they were so excited about No Quarter (that really doesn't fit the rest of the HOTHoly album) that the song HOTHoly was put off til PG. I think it should've gone on the album, and they should've saved NQuarter for later release. (NQ uarter came from the zep 4 sessions so they could've kept that one for later just as they kept the others for later).
I once read that Achilles Last Stand came out of the sessions for PG, but it wasn’t complete and did not make the cut. Now, if that is true, I think it is far more interesting as a what if, to think about PG as a double album with Achilles Last Stand included in the place of some of the throw away tracks like Boogie with Stu and Black Country Woman. Now what a double album that would have been!
PG is Zeppelin at their very best. And cutting it down to a single would be ONE TOUGH CALL... Just like trying to cut down the White Album down to a single
Good comparison. Love the White album. But do we really need Rev #9, WHPie, HPie, LLLong? Weeding out some of these would've made for a stronger album ....just like PGrafitti (imho).
I was just thinking this morning that if the guys in Led Zeppelin thought about it for a second all the bad press they received helped make them big, famous and wealthy. They helped to define them and give them street cred, so to speak. After every bad review especially when it came to the albums, especially this album, they should have sent the publication or reviewer a bouquet of roses and a bottle of champagne with a note that said Thanks for all the cash and another gold album. Wait I'm sorry Platinum album, no wait I meant to say diamond album. I'll do you a favor. I'll put the diamonds on my guitar. That way if you come see us in concert you can see the fruits of your labor. Enjoy the Dom Perignon. I've never taken issue with Physical Graffiti being a double album. For me more Led Zeppelin music is better Led Zeppelin music. Three great albums some people can never stop crying about, all popular beyond popular. All get criticized for as being as big and sprawling as the bands that created them. The Beatles White Album The Rolling Stones Exile On Main Street Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti All three being the best albums ever recorded by their respective somewhat fanatical fans. All three are criticized for not being what the critics wanted. Then getting more criticized because the music Gods refused to oblige them by being flops. To further rub salt on their wounds the popularity of these albums continues to this day. Enshrining them as albums that are historically significant, as well as insanely popular. Making their defeat more humiliating with each passing year. My advise is give up the ghost, admit you were/are still wrong and slink away. All three of those albums are panoramic works that are an open door to where each band was at the time. All three are must haves. All three let you in on a little secret. All three contain songs that make life on Earth more bearable. All songs on these albums humanity is richer for. More importantly all three of these albums are different from each other. Being that they come from three different bands, that were in different places in their lives, with three different agendas on their minds. I've got blisters on my keyboard, I'm happy, and there's a plane flying above me. It's dark and I'm wearing sunglasses.
I liked reading your view. But just one thing: I think PGrafitti should've been 1 album exactly because of what you said: 'where each band was at the time' - including softer acoustic songs is not where they were. If you can, read my response to this video.
@giancarlosilano8690 I don't know, even Rock stars can get nostalgic. Something old, something new kind of thing. One could say Exile on Main Street is all pure nostalgia with a Rolling Stones twist.
Well, I don't think PG is their best album as too many people think. Neither their fourth is. PG is a very good one, of course, but to me their greatest ones are their first and second. It's because I see LZ as a tremendous blues-rock band, not a heavy metal one. Of course there are a lot of metal in the band, but those blues feelings of their two first albums are what I really apreciate, inheritance from their old days as the Yardbirds. Not a blues band properly as Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac or John Mayall's Bluesbrakers are, but a blues band full of hard rock 'n' roll characteristics. An outstanding band indeed........ yeah, PG could be a simple album, not a double one. 😊Greetings from Brazil!
Hey Jose - I thought this would be harder than it actually was. All IMHO, of course - First I listed the obvious "must stays" (Kashmir...), then got rid of those obvious ones (Boogie With Stu...) and kept the best of the similar ones (Custard Pie over The Wanton Song...), and ended up with: SIDE ONE (about 21 minutes) Custard Pie The Rover In My Time Of Dying SIDE TWO (about 25 minutes) Trampled Underfoot Kashmir Ten Years Gone Sick Again i tried to limit myself to one epic per side, but I could not get rid of any of those three. If forced to do so, it would have been In My Time Of Dying (and I think In The LIght is just not up to any of these three). But I kept it because any two of the leftover tracks combined are simply not nearly as good (I went purely for quality over variety). I kept the running order the same just because it still seemed to work just fine. The only change I think I wouild make is put Sick Again ahead of Trampled Underfoot. AFTER VIEWING THE VIDEO - WE WERE PRETTY DARN CLOSE!
Your choices are strong, it's definitely ROCKING. Interesting on In The Light, do you think they shouldn't have repeated the intro? I feel this but with Ten Years Gone. I agree, man, our picks are quite similar! awesome!
Hot Dog and South Bound Saurez definitely needs to be on this Coda double ! Put Wearing & Tearing on ITTOD and you've the Hammer of the Godz! PLAY LOUD
Cool theory, the second theory would have made the box set worth buying, other than a good looking wall hanger , but sides 3 and 4 of graph I love to death
JMC love this channel so much. I always thought PG should've been a single LP too. In fact, Zep made some odd choices to me stating in 1969! Nothing you can change about 1 that was their best material at that time. However, as much as i love the "Moby Dick" Riff the drum solo bogs down the LP. There are better bootleg versions of "Pats Delight" than the Moby Dick that ends up on zep 2 But why not put "Traveling Riverside " on 2 instead of MD? For 3 "Hats off to Roy" is the bside with "Immigrant song" and dropped from 3 Instead "Hey What can i Do" closes 3... Much much better! Zep 4 ,is perfection no changes Houses of the holy Drop two of the worst Zeppelin songs ever "The Crunge & Dyer Maker" Replace them with "Houses of the Holy" and "The Rover" How amazing is that Lp??? Pysical Graffiti I agree completely with you! Presence is so much better with the Wanton Song and with "Royal Orleans," the worst Zep song ever gone And damn i wished he coulda finished "Swan Song" in time to include on Presence to drop "Candy Store Rock" ITTOD well, there has to be a spot for "Wearing and Tarering" take out the 2nd worst Zep song ever" Hot Dog" As for Coda I liked your idea but only if all those other I would have wanted changed never happened. But Id maybe go: Were gonna groove Poor Tom Black Country Night Flight Ozone Baby Bron y Aur Moby Dick Walters Walk Although i like that version of "i cant quit you" over "Ozone Baby..but it is stil an outake Lp in my. Alternate Zeppelin universe Although i thought i saw you say you weren't a big fan of that song.. Sorry if i misquoted you :) Keep these amazing Zep video's coming Love your musical takes on the making of series too Especially 4 Just so well researched and factually correct
I think it was Jimmy himself who said an album is a snapshot of where a band is (musically) in a given period - (paraphrased). I hold the very unpopular opinion that PG should've been a single album and that they should've included only the new songs of the day. Adding the older acoustic based songs weakened its quality and made it much much softer. They weren't writing acoustic songs at that time. Also, with the exception of ECourt, they didn't even play the acoustic set in all of the 75 tour. The power of a single PG album would've been astonishing and would've also added quality to the albums that followed (since the time restraints (YES, I KNOW ABOUT THE TIME RESTRAINTS!) of the new songs dictated that they would not all fit on a single album). So I say, they should've come up with a solution (as you, JCM, and others did below, bravi bravi) and make PG an ABSOLUTE (current to the day) powerhouse....and not a powerhouse with softer older songs.
For years Physical was my 'desert island' album. Still is, but LZ is a close second. Fav tracks Ten Years Gone In My Time of Dying Boogie with Stu Kashmir In the Light
(Sorry for over posting) But where is Hey Hey What Can i do in all this? I believe Hey Hey should have been the closing track on Zeppelin 3 minus Hats off to Roy Harper. Now...that would have solidified Zep 3 as an equal to Zep 2 and Houses. Or it could have went on Coda...paring that with Baby Come on Home
So Hey Hey What Can I Do was not an outtake technically speaking as it was released as a single back in 1970. So i stuck with the unreleased or album released tracks. I always ask myself why didn't Zepp add Hey Hey on III or IV at least!
I think PG is a great double album, but if they left off the outtakes, they could have used them on Presence and it would have been much better. IMO, the only worthwhile tracks on Presence are Nobody’s Fault, Achilles and Tea for One. The rest should have been left on the cutting room floor. They weren’t even good enough for Coda.
Definitely drop For Your life in favor of keeping Hots On For Nowhere on Presence. Put it on Coda, or drop it altogether. The second half of Night Flight's 50s-esque rocking stomp makes it a keeper for me, but perhaps not on Graffiti. I'd swap with Tea For One on Presence, and move Tea to Coda.
Only works as a double album as there were no fillers . The mood changes thoughout the experience finishing strongly and the key to its success is The Rover with its drum opening In my time of Dying Kashmir In the light and Sick Again as the main classics and finishing as it started with awesome power. Theres no such thing as too much swagger. Presence is their sceond best with Achilles nearing the Kashmir level.
Hi JCM. What would have been the Zeppelin legacy in the late '80s onwards if the theft of demos, scratch tapes, home movies, etc... from Page's home had never occurred?
If it was than Coda would of been a double album. Or Presence could of been a double album with the existing previous outtakes. Doesn't matter it happened at the right time for Physical.
Fun episode JCM. Makes me wish PG WAS a single LP. As long as we are playing "what if?", my supposition is that the songs on PG over 6 minutes, were purposely made longer in order to pad the running time, as to fill a double album. Personally I think that "In the Light" "Kashmir" and "In my Time of dying" would actually be better if they were edited to 6 minutes or less. I like the idea of some PG outtakes finding their way on Presence. "What if?" indeed.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Yes. The In the light keyboard intro would have been better as a live element, maybe even as a show opener like how Jason Bonham starts shows at times. 10 years gone was too long and sounded too much like a live performance
Thanks Jose - love this. PG and Presence are my favourites so the ‘what if’ template is a lovely indulgence. Keep up the good work my man, you continue to be an absolute Zep trouper.
My own take is that I love PG as it is, but the 8 new songs alone with IMTOD and ITL both trimmed, would have resulted in an even more popular and cohesive album. By the by, nobody ever talks about the middle minute of Down by the seaside- it’s stellar!
Couldn’t have this album without The Rover.
My running order for Physical Graffiti single LP
Side 1
1. Custard Pie
2. Trampled Under Foot
3. In My Time of Dying
Side 2
1. In The Light
2. Ten Years Gone
3.. Kashmir
Outtakes
The Wanton Song and Sick Again
Presence Side 1
1. Achilles Lasts Stand
2. For Your Life
3. Sick Again
Side 2
1. Nobody's Fault But Mine
2. The Wanton Song
3. Candy Store Rock
4. Tea For One
I really dig your Presence running order, that would be the hardest rocking album of 1976 alone!
@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories I really never thought of an alternative version of Coda
Bravo! timing-wise, would it have fit on a single album?
Nobody's Fault & The Wanton Song is a wicked pairing 🎸🎶😎
@@giancarlosilano8690 the LP time limits on a single LP Physical Graffiti is within 45 minutes, and the Presence alternative version is also within the time limit
Great episode man! Thanks for putting that together for us. Soundtrack to my youth
My pleasure! This was short but it's just a theory! Thanks for watching !!
i would remove 0 tracks from that album. it's my all-time favorite zeppelin album as there's not a dull moment on that album. i love it.
Fair enough, it's hard coming up with What If Scenarios when the albums are SO GOOD right'? Thanks for watching !
Jose! I love these "what if" episodes. Happy Thanksgiving!
Always a challenge to explore these scenarios Paul, it's hard to rip the albums apart!
@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories 💯! You always do a great job, Jose!
Physical Graffiti is a statement...like a 3 hour podcast today, it's done because...they were big enough to do it. I love this album because of its boldness. Yes you could make a "single" but what if they had done....a triple album?
My version of Presence if this alternate logic became reality would be...
Achilles Last Stand
The Rover
For Your Life
Hots on For Nowhere
Nobodys Fault But Mine
The Wanton Song
Houses of the Holy
Tea For One
And perhaps the title could be changed to either "Swan Song" or "Achilles Last Stand"
Now...this album would be considered one of their best i think
This is a killer tracklist, easily king of 1976! Thanks for watching Charles!
excellent! I'm reading fans' alternate track listings and they are awesome... just wondering about their length and if they wouldve fit the 1 album time restraint...
If the question is, what songs should stay, what songs should go,
In The Light needs to stay (for me)
One of their finest studio creations, In The Light is eerie, mixed emotions, a disturbing song in a good way!
Off subject question. JCM, it has been 40 years ago that "The Firm" was put together by Paul Rodgers and Jimmy Page. Did you ever consider doing an exclusive documentary video on them? To this day I still play both CDs. Some good stuff there.
As years go by I love this album more and more.
I bought the vinyl in January 1990 a month before my 21 birthday.
I have the remastered versions but the first CD edition is awesome.
So if it was a single album, it would be a brilliant single album. Instead it’s a double brilliant album!
You need to get the Diament 80s CD, i think it's the best sounding Graffiti!
@ I just did! Awesome!
Nice work as always! Really like these “alternate universe “ ponderings. Graffiti would have benefited as a single disc. There is some filler, good filler, but filler. And the double Coda idea is brilliant. PS on a tangent intro krautrock: have you heard the title track from Kraftwerk’s Autobahn? Towards the of its epic 20 minutes there’s a synth line that I believe JPJ lifted (borrowed) for the intro for In the Light! Check it out
Well done.
Yo Jose - could you maybe do a Presence "discussion" vid? I do not understand why it is so slammed. The music absolutely jumps off the record with Jimmy's "guitar army," Jones' new Alembic tone, arguably Bonzo's best album, and Plant's painful anguish. I can feel and sense the frustration of their personal issues of the last few years and their sesnse of urgency to reclaim their place at the top. Nothing in '76 was even close to this.
Presence discussion! I'm up for that, how do you think i should do it? I ask because i did the two part series on it, but yeah i hear you, Presence it's their FINEST Rhythm section work. Just Jones and Bonham alone made that record SUCCEED!
I know a lot of this is in my head, but I couldn't imagine the feel of the same songs if they were broken up and put on different albums. You associate each album with the metamorphosis of the band and time period, however wrong this might actually be.
I guess the time period is only of reference because even though I didn't discover the band until 1980 I do remember a lot of the 70's. I always associate Physical Graffiti with the long hot UK summer of 1976 - 'Down by the Seaside', 'Black Country Woman' recorded outside on a sunny day. I know the timeline doesn't match, but that's just the feel I get and the association I make.
Interesting to think that Coda could've been so much better though. I rarely listen to it apart from Bonzo's Montreux, which is utterly fabulous.
Interesting video, so thanks.
Down by the Seaside could've been on Houses instead of Jamaica i think...it had some Elton John 1973 keyboard vibes you know? Oh man i LOVE CODA, in full. Bonzo's Montreux agree, is OUTSTANDING! Thanks for watching !!
Side 1
1. Custard Pie
2. In My Time of Dying
3. Trampled Under Foot
4. Kashmir
Side 2
1. In the Light
2. Ten Years Gone
3. The Wanton Song
4. Sick Again
Still their best album as is!
The greatest band of the 70s!!!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Even better than the Loaf of Meat?
@@steverickenbacher7110 LMFAO!
Well done sir! The only thing I would have changed was that the double album Coda would’ve had Sugar Mama, Wanton song, Dyer Maker, and the Crunge in place of Were Gonna Groove, White Summer, Traveling Riverside Blues (all are live tracks so they broke your rule), and the 2 Presence tracks. In a perfect world Hey hey what can I do, the Rover, and Houses of the Holy would’ve been released with their respective album sessions recordings. Hats off to Harper was a studio cover jam medley that wasn’t even remotely as good as the feel so bad/fixin to die/that’s alright medley or even the Keys to the Highway / Trouble in Mind medley recorded at the same time. I think everything else we have seen was unfinished.
Like you i wish Hey Hey What Can I Do should have been on III! but maybe it's pop single power was a bit distracting from the album, this is why i feel III is the most consistent conceptually speaking. You are right about Sugar Mama, they had it in the can too!
It wouldn't have killed them to put the song 'houses of the holy' on the album 'Houses of the holy"
I know right? It was a misstep. Can't believe they thought Dancing Days was BETTER...or D*yer*Mak*er. Houses was the best song for 1973!
Agree! I think they were so excited about No Quarter (that really doesn't fit the rest of the HOTHoly album) that the song HOTHoly was put off til PG. I think it should've gone on the album, and they should've saved NQuarter for later release. (NQ uarter came from the zep 4 sessions so they could've kept that one for later just as they kept the others for later).
No way Jose haha. I wouldn’t take anything off it. Can’t wait to see what you leave off
Hope you enjoy my selection hahah
I once read that Achilles Last Stand came out of the sessions for PG, but it wasn’t complete and did not make the cut. Now, if that is true, I think it is far more interesting as a what if, to think about PG as a double album with Achilles Last Stand included in the place of some of the throw away tracks like Boogie with Stu and Black Country Woman. Now what a double album that would have been!
This was the first Zepp album I heard. I wanted to play drums after hearing it.
Bonham makes you want to pick a drum set i know, that's the instrument I wanted to play!!!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories😃
PG is Zeppelin at their very best. And cutting it down to a single would be ONE TOUGH CALL...
Just like trying to cut down the White Album down to a single
Yeah the White album would be a nightmare task too!
Good comparison. Love the White album. But do we really need Rev #9, WHPie, HPie, LLLong? Weeding out some of these would've made for a stronger album ....just like PGrafitti (imho).
So creative,love it.
Love this album.😊
Excellent video as always! A video about the album Talk from 1994 would be perfect and complete the Trevor Rabin trilogy.
I was just thinking this morning that if the guys in Led Zeppelin thought about it for a second all the bad press they received helped make them big, famous and wealthy. They helped to define them and give them street cred, so to speak.
After every bad review especially when it came to the albums, especially this album, they should have sent the publication or reviewer a bouquet of roses and a bottle of champagne with a note that said Thanks for all the cash and another gold album. Wait I'm sorry Platinum album, no wait I meant to say diamond album. I'll do you a favor. I'll put the diamonds on my guitar. That way if you come see us in concert you can see the fruits of your labor. Enjoy the Dom Perignon.
I've never taken issue with Physical Graffiti being a double album. For me more Led Zeppelin music is better Led Zeppelin music.
Three great albums some people can never stop crying about, all popular beyond popular. All get criticized for as being as big and sprawling as the bands that created them.
The Beatles White Album
The Rolling Stones Exile On Main Street
Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti
All three being the best albums ever recorded by their respective somewhat fanatical fans. All three are criticized for not being what the critics wanted. Then getting more criticized because the music Gods refused to oblige them by being flops. To further rub salt on their wounds the popularity of these albums continues to this day. Enshrining them as albums that are historically significant, as well as insanely popular.
Making their defeat more humiliating with each passing year.
My advise is give up the ghost, admit you were/are still wrong and slink away.
All three of those albums are panoramic works that are an open door to where each band was at the time. All three are must haves. All three let you in on a little secret. All three contain songs that make life on Earth more bearable. All songs on these albums humanity is richer for. More importantly all three of these albums are different from each other. Being that they come from three different bands, that were in different places in their lives, with three different agendas on their minds.
I've got blisters on my keyboard, I'm happy, and there's a plane flying above me.
It's dark and I'm wearing sunglasses.
I liked reading your view. But just one thing: I think PGrafitti should've been 1 album exactly because of what you said: 'where each band was at the time' - including softer acoustic songs is not where they were. If you can, read my response to this video.
@giancarlosilano8690
I don't know, even Rock stars can get nostalgic. Something old, something new kind of thing. One could say Exile on Main Street is all pure nostalgia with a Rolling Stones twist.
Well, I don't think PG is their best album as too many people think. Neither their fourth is. PG is a very good one, of course, but to me their greatest ones are their first and second. It's because I see LZ as a tremendous blues-rock band, not a heavy metal one. Of course there are a lot of metal in the band, but those blues feelings of their two first albums are what I really apreciate, inheritance from their old days as the Yardbirds. Not a blues band properly as Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac or John Mayall's Bluesbrakers are, but a blues band full of hard rock 'n' roll characteristics. An outstanding band indeed........ yeah, PG could be a simple album, not a double one. 😊Greetings from Brazil!
Hey Jose - I thought this would be harder than it actually was. All IMHO, of course - First I listed the obvious "must stays" (Kashmir...), then got rid of those obvious ones (Boogie With Stu...) and kept the best of the similar ones (Custard Pie over The Wanton Song...), and ended up with:
SIDE ONE (about 21 minutes)
Custard Pie
The Rover
In My Time Of Dying
SIDE TWO (about 25 minutes)
Trampled Underfoot
Kashmir
Ten Years Gone
Sick Again
i tried to limit myself to one epic per side, but I could not get rid of any of those three. If forced to do so, it would have been In My Time Of Dying (and I think In The LIght is just not up to any of these three). But I kept it because any two of the leftover tracks combined are simply not nearly as good (I went purely for quality over variety). I kept the running order the same just because it still seemed to work just fine. The only change I think I wouild make is put Sick Again ahead of Trampled Underfoot. AFTER VIEWING THE VIDEO - WE WERE PRETTY DARN CLOSE!
Your choices are strong, it's definitely ROCKING. Interesting on In The Light, do you think they shouldn't have repeated the intro? I feel this but with Ten Years Gone. I agree, man, our picks are quite similar! awesome!
Hot Dog and South Bound Saurez definitely needs to be on this Coda double ! Put Wearing & Tearing on ITTOD and you've the Hammer of the Godz! PLAY LOUD
Cool theory, the second theory would have made the box set worth buying, other than a good looking wall hanger , but sides 3 and 4 of graph I love to death
It's hard coming up with these scenarios that's for sure. I have much love for CODA!
A fun episode. I will surely listen to the new track listing for Coda based on what you did. Happy Thanksgiving! Oh, what about Bron-Yur-Aur last?
JMC love this channel so much.
I always thought PG should've been a single LP too.
In fact, Zep made some odd choices to me stating in 1969!
Nothing you can change about 1 that was their best material at that time.
However, as much as i love the "Moby Dick" Riff the drum solo bogs down the LP. There are better bootleg versions of "Pats Delight" than the Moby Dick that ends up on zep 2
But why not put "Traveling Riverside " on 2 instead of MD?
For 3 "Hats off to Roy" is the bside with "Immigrant song" and dropped from 3
Instead "Hey What can i Do" closes 3...
Much much better!
Zep 4 ,is perfection no changes
Houses of the holy
Drop two of the worst Zeppelin songs ever
"The Crunge & Dyer Maker"
Replace them with "Houses of the Holy" and "The Rover"
How amazing is that Lp???
Pysical Graffiti
I agree completely with you!
Presence is so much better with the Wanton Song and with "Royal Orleans," the worst Zep song ever gone
And damn i wished he coulda finished "Swan Song" in time to include on Presence to drop "Candy Store Rock"
ITTOD well, there has to be a spot for "Wearing and Tarering" take out the 2nd worst Zep song ever" Hot Dog"
As for Coda
I liked your idea but only if all those other I would have wanted changed never happened.
But
Id maybe go:
Were gonna groove
Poor Tom
Black Country
Night Flight
Ozone Baby
Bron y Aur
Moby Dick
Walters Walk
Although i like that version of "i cant quit you" over "Ozone Baby..but it is stil an outake Lp in my. Alternate Zeppelin universe
Although i thought i saw you say you weren't a big fan of that song..
Sorry if i misquoted you :)
Keep these amazing Zep video's coming
Love your musical takes on the making of series too
Especially 4
Just so well researched and factually correct
I think it was Jimmy himself who said an album is a snapshot of where a band is (musically) in a given period - (paraphrased). I hold the very unpopular opinion that PG should've been a single album and that they should've included only the new songs of the day. Adding the older acoustic based songs weakened its quality and made it much much softer. They weren't writing acoustic songs at that time. Also, with the exception of ECourt, they didn't even play the acoustic set in all of the 75 tour. The power of a single PG album would've been astonishing and would've also added quality to the albums that followed (since the time restraints (YES, I KNOW ABOUT THE TIME RESTRAINTS!) of the new songs dictated that they would not all fit on a single album). So I say, they should've come up with a solution (as you, JCM, and others did below, bravi bravi) and make PG an ABSOLUTE (current to the day) powerhouse....and not a powerhouse with softer older songs.
The first 6 tracks + The Wanton Song.
Unrivaled best hard rock album of all time, if physical graffiti were released as one album with the best songs
YOU CANT GET RID OF HOTS ON FOR NOWHERE ON PRESENCE!!! IT TOOK ME AGES TO FIND OUT WHAT THE HELL THAT SONG WAS CALLED AND WHAT ALBUM IT WAS ON!!!!
One of the absolute best Riffs Page and Jones ever played, and Bonham...get out, what a rhythm section DAMN IT!
For years Physical was my 'desert island' album. Still is, but LZ is a close second.
Fav tracks
Ten Years Gone
In My Time of Dying
Boogie with Stu
Kashmir
In the Light
(Sorry for over posting)
But where is Hey Hey What Can i do in all this?
I believe Hey Hey should have been the closing track on Zeppelin 3 minus Hats off to Roy Harper. Now...that would have solidified Zep 3 as an equal to Zep 2 and Houses. Or it could have went on Coda...paring that with Baby Come on Home
So Hey Hey What Can I Do was not an outtake technically speaking as it was released as a single back in 1970. So i stuck with the unreleased or album released tracks. I always ask myself why didn't Zepp add Hey Hey on III or IV at least!
I think PG is a great double album, but if they left off the outtakes, they could have used them on Presence and it would have been much better. IMO, the only worthwhile tracks on Presence are Nobody’s Fault, Achilles and Tea for One. The rest should have been left on the cutting room floor. They weren’t even good enough for Coda.
What if? 🤔 There was a companion Live in '75 Double LP... 🎸
That's a cool idea, but i think Robert would've shot it down over his vocals unless they patched these from another show!
Definitely drop For Your life in favor of keeping Hots On For Nowhere on Presence. Put it on Coda, or drop it altogether. The second half of Night Flight's 50s-esque rocking stomp makes it a keeper for me, but perhaps not on Graffiti. I'd swap with Tea For One on Presence, and move Tea to Coda.
Tea to Coda...hmmm that's interesting, quite a career retrospect in a single song right? Thanks for watching !!
Unlike The White Album, there's no fat to trim from this one.
Not even the outtakes? I can't compare them to Kashmir! It's always been hard for me!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-StoriesThe outtakes?? Like The Rover and Down By The Seaside? The outtakes from previous records are my favorite songs on Graffiti.
Suggest that Sick Again goes last to foreshadow the coming of Presence, just like it did in the original playing order.
It does foreshadow Presence, to the tee. The contents, the vibe, the groove! One of my favs! Thanks for watching !!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories One of mine too! You're doing God's work Jose. Thank you for the stories, the ideas, the possibilities!
Only works as a double album as there were no fillers .
The mood changes thoughout the experience finishing strongly and the key to its success is The Rover with its drum opening In my time of Dying Kashmir In the light and Sick Again as the main classics and finishing as it started with awesome power.
Theres no such thing as too much swagger.
Presence is their sceond best with Achilles nearing the Kashmir level.
Slightly disagree :) Night Flight is filler.
They should have dropped Boogie with Stu in favour of Poor Tom.
I like this! Poor Tom IS better!
Hi JCM. What would have been the Zeppelin legacy in the late '80s onwards if the theft of demos, scratch tapes, home movies, etc... from Page's home had never occurred?
Always needed cropping. Same with electric lady land. Layla and exile leave alone
If it was than Coda would of been a double album. Or Presence could of been a double album with the existing previous outtakes. Doesn't matter it happened at the right time for Physical.
Fan theories are fun just to think of scenarios, of course Page made the right decisions, i don't question his judgement, wouldn't dare!
That was Jimmy's Band, it was his band. He made the decisions for the Grand Vision.
Glad they released the records as they were, this scenario is crap
Don't shoot the messenger. It was a Zepp fan theory suggested by the dear subscribers here on the channel ! Hehe
Maybe that's the point.
Presence would of had Wanton Sonng Sick Again and Custard Pie
Custard on Presence? Hmm interesting, don't you feel the SOUND of it makes it hard to move past February 1974?
@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories i wasn't entirely convinced either. As, to me, it is too colorful* and pop for most of Presence.
Presence feels like a hangover and intervention in parts! Love the album!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories it's got their best song on it (Achilles*), and I jokingly call it the glam rock album Lol
Let's see you attempt a real challenge....
Turn "In Through The Out Door" into an EP.
@@John_Locke_108 wow i like this one. How long is an EP? 23 Minutes?
Shame they couldnt do their best tracks live like custard and the Rover or Tea for One..
Custard was DOable, 100%
Following the logic of truth in advertising, maybe Graffiti should have been titled “The Best (and the Worst) of Led Zeppelin” 🤔
You imply that Darlene is an inferior tune, I respect your opinion and i'm wondering why?
Double best. Only thing id change is put on Poor tom over boogie with stu
Fun episode JCM. Makes me wish PG WAS a single LP. As long as we are playing "what if?", my supposition is that the songs on PG over 6 minutes, were purposely made longer in order to pad the running time, as to fill a double album. Personally I think that "In the Light" "Kashmir" and "In my Time of dying" would actually be better if they were edited to 6 minutes or less. I like the idea of some PG outtakes finding their way on Presence. "What if?" indeed.
yes it was padded out
i'm confused
The 50 minutes of 1975 material could fit on one album look at Genesis
They could've made that happen, i think trimming down some sections!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-StoriesI agree
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Yes. The In the light keyboard intro would have been better as a live element, maybe even as a show opener like how Jason Bonham starts shows at times. 10 years gone was too long and sounded too much like a live performance
There's too many great songs. Night flight would go, lol.
It could take Flight away indeed haha. Thanks for watching !!
I hate Physical Graffiti ! ISo boring ... The worst from Zeppelin.
That would be horrible! Great video like always.
Fan theories come and go, we'll try them all! Thanks for watching !!