Review: SOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS A330 Business Class to Johannesburg!
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This is a comprehensive Flight Review of South African Airlines.
Class: Business
Route: Washington D.C. (IAD) to Johannesburg (JNB) via Accra (ACC)
Plane: A330-300
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Hi Josh which one do you think offers a superior product.Kq or SAA
Hi josh.Which one offers a superior product.KQ or SAA.
Josh Cahill 🥺🥺
Try air canada
As a crew member from the 80's and 90's my heart swells with pride. I'm so glad that your experience on SAA was so pleasant despite an inept management team.
I always find the South African service to far exceed any other African (and many European) airlines. Their financial troubles haven't stopped me from continuing to fly SAA at all. I love how the crew are attentive and refer to Business Class passengers by their names. Their lounge in OR Tambo is also fantastic! Rivalled only by the new-ish Air France lounge in Charles de Gaulle in my opinion. And really, NOTHING beats African hospitality.
Worst airline i had bad experiences on many occasions nobody beats Ethiopian airlines i fly only Ethiopian
@@jacqueslorenz977 hahaha nice try ethopian boy.I know you will and deny that you are from ethopia 😂
@@nickgiovanni6518 I don't even get what you bragging about really lol,is it a plane?SAA have many new air bus planes so what do you mean old ass air bus plane as if SAA have one plane?Itleast make sense broe,don't embarass your self.About routes last time I check SAA had longest route in africa from Cape town to New york without refueling,so again I'm lost what are you braging about.
The crews r old n ugly yukkks
Y’all sound dumb as fuck... I’m South African and I really don’t care who has the best airline it doesn’t affect me in any way and calling them ugly is just rude
Excellent review Josh... SAA has had a rough patch the last few months but this review is very refreshing . As a fellow South African i appreciate this . Keep up the great work Josh !!
@David John Murray Reynolds LOL
SAA *IS HAVING* a bad patch- it is financially in a mess. The government has been bailing SAA out for years due to the corrupt leadership. To make matters worse the newly appointed CEO has resigned. A seriously old fleet, the flight schedule reduced and many long distance aircraft sitting around in JHB all dressed up but nowhere to go. This new Business Class is good. However they didnt fit out as many (old) aircraft as planned (lack of funds) and routes where it was supposed to be offered (JHB-MUC for example) have reverted to the old business which is the pits!
@@YellowMellow505 Dit is nie "suid Afrkaans" nie, dit is Afrikaans.
Hahaha... they in more shit now than ever!
Yo anyone else from Johannesburg here?! 🇿🇦🇿🇦❣️❣️
Just found your review of SAA.
It's heartbreaking that such a great airline was ruined by thieving and mismanagement.I have always found them excellent.The only drawback is their price, locally, regionally and internationally I have found their prices to be the highest.if they were competitive I would use them
it's sad really
Who else is watching your fav youtuber's 2019 videos to relive moments that where in the past.
Sam
Hope those moments come back again
Speed of sound is 1234 km/hr at NTP (Normal Temperature and Pressure). There are many variables that go into it. But what you are probably seeing is your Ground Speed and not your Air Speed, which will be totally different.
Exactly, due to strong tail wind (maybe thanks to a jetstream) your groundspeed can be very high compared to your true airpeed.
Correct, I would also add that you could still fly above the sound barrier when using ground speed. Actual airspeed would be less. The reason why ground speed is higher than the sound barrier is because of a strong tail wind. Flight crews DO NEED to monitor the airspeed as to not exceed supersonic / measured via Air speed and not ground speed. These type of flights happen all the time from Hawaii to mainland US and East Coast to EU.
This is not the correct approach to the problem.. Refer to my comment in the main section...
If you cross that amount would it cause a sonic boom or not
Josh
First things first , I'm a huge fan. Love your reviews 👍.
As a pilot and an Aerospace engineer myself, let me clear the concept of supersonic. Now, in aircrafts the speed after a certain point is measured in mach no.. Anything flying above mach 1 is supersonic. Most commercial airlines usually do a Mach 0.8 - 0.9 depending on altitude and load.
The generalization that anything above 1000kmph is supersonic is not correct at all. As i mentioned, high airspeeds are measured in mach no. Which is a ratio of groundspeed and local speed of sound. The value of the local speed of sound changes with the density of air (air is less dense at higher altitudes and high temperatures). So basically 1000kmph may be supersonic at some specific altitude but as the aircraft goes higher and lower or as it passes air of different temperatures, that thing changes.
I think what you needed to point out was the fact that it can travel at 1200-1300kph ground speed but still not Mach1 because of the fact that it's at the same 900-950kph air speed (tailwind)! Mach number (1>) and thus supersonic speed is defined by air speed and not by ground speed. If you push the air by an overall speed of over 343 m/s (1235 kph) then you're supersonic! Over the Atlantic the plane flies at the same air speed going west and east; ground speed though changed because the direction of the high altitude wind is different! Hope that makes sense!
This is also true in jet streams. In late 2019, there was a huge jet stream spanning North America to Europe, which cause flights to be an hour early and for record time to be broken. Those planes went supersonic on ground speed, but were travelling at Mach 0.8-0.9. The push that they were getting from the tailwind was upwards of 200 knots.
Thank you for the clarity....!
@@bboyjunyor I've just read something like this.....Thanks buddy!
as a pilot and aerospace engineer,you better not fly any passenger plane since you simply don't know it is the TAS and not the GS..not being surprised to see thousands of jobless Indian pilots around.
Thank you for flying South African airways Josh! and thank you for this beautiful review! People are starting to loose confidence in SAA recently due to mismanagement but I'm happy to see they pulled up thier socks this business and economy class are very beautiful and off high standard! Shout out from South Africa 🇿🇦 ❤️
Howzit! Really impressed with their service! Really hope new management can save SAA!
no first class cabin anymore. remember the Diamond first class on SAA
Eyyy bru appreciate the comment
@@malcolmchristoyeomans2134 I pray so too that saa can be saved I'm so sad and bitter that saa is not operational because of corruption the employees had to lose their jobs because of mismanagement and corruption what a very sad story I love saa and pray for it's survival and that all employees will be reinstated 😰🙏✈🌏
I just love most things South African. My overseas travels are always on South African Airways
Nice to see our national carrier being projected positively. To all the guys at sea keep the good work...one day we will get it right.
As a 40 year aviator, and from your reactions, i would say this is the best catering really.
Their new Business Class is definitely an improvement over their old product. I wonder if this will force Ethiopian Airways to revamp their premium cabin.
no champagne only sparkling wine
I don’t think so as saa are bankrupt and probably will go under very soon
I'm hoping for the best for SAA (not saa Mr Mama)
Doubt ET take SA seriously as competition. Completely different models.
ET is a network operator, closer to EK or QR. SA is basically only important for people travelling to and from South Africa, and small neighbouring countries. And geography means that probably can’t and won’t change.
As things stand, ET is more likely to buy SA, or a stake, and use SA to complement ET’s network, if SA is successfully revived.
We hope you enjoyed the A330! We hope to see you on our next flight!
Lovely airline and I’m a huge fan of South African people as have very very good friends from Durban and find the people delightful and the country is beautiful 👍 also a great trip report and much appreciated and so happy we are part of you’re patreon As we get so so much enjoyment thankyou 👍🇬🇧
We love you sir!
Ok but have you heard of Xenophobia
@@kevinuk1196 what are u trying to imply hee?
@@kevinuk1196 And??
Shout out from SA. Excellent review, as always!
Thanks mate!
Shout out from South Australia, another SA!
I prefer the I old SAA with the flying springbok personally. However you commented on supersonic travel. I went on a BA concord (BA16) from Bahrain to London 29 December 1978. It flies at a higher altitude (50,000ft on our flight) and according to the flight/tech crew it's more technical than normal subsonic aircraft. We hit M1 then M2 speed from memory. You get a jolt when you hit the speed of sound. You go so fast that the small passenger windows get warm with the friction. As an amazing experience that you need to do once. Took about 2 hours less than normal. In flight service was the best ever than I've ever seen and I've travelled many times in all classes and many airlines all over the world. I worked for 3 airlines from 1981-2008, so seen a lot.
The speed of sound is 767 miles per hour (1235 km/hour). The screen showed a speed of 642 miles per hour (1035 km/hour) which is below the speed of sound. Great report! I flew business class from Victoria Falls to Johannesburg on SAA A330-200 last December and loved it. I will be publishing my report on TH-cam in the near future
Hello Josh and congratulations for your SAA trip report. As I former SAA ticket office employee I must say that GRU-JNB (São Paulo/Brazil) as well as EZE-JNB (Buenos Aires/Argentina) routes are a good check for your experience. One long non-stop entirely over the Atlantic flight is the proof of a few things: warm and friendly South African welcome, efficiency, excellent food and wines, all the necessary information for the passengers before landing and upon arrival and our desire to experience it all again! Keep on going!
Congrats SAA -I am proud of you! Thanks, Josh ❤️
I'm obsessed with your channel. You have the calmest demeanor in some of the most challenging situations.
I'm based in NYC, and Delta is my preferred airline.
South Africa is high on my list of places to visit. I have a friend in Cape Town, so maybe one day soon.
Happy Travels
The cabin crew looked so welcoming and friendly, it’s great they were fine being filmed because their beaming smiles really gave a great representation of the airline!
yrs 18 hors where are u going since when i dont mind the question since he is going gone
Hi Josh. As a South African I do swell with pride to see a positive review of our national airline. Its such a bitter sweet thing for SA citizens. The airline has been mismanaged for years now and is sadly draining much of our tax money. I do hope things turn around but it won't be soon sadly.
Have they thought of letting it be private instead of state owned would save your country a lot of money
Over feeding is so South African. You must eat☝🏽and take home a Tupperware "can't be going around telling people they didn't feed me in" 🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣
lmao
Tupperware😂😂😂even in the woolies ice cream container
Lol I'm sure SAA must have!
Lol
OMG I CANT WAIT TO GO TO BEAUTIFUL SOUTH AFRICA AGAIN!!! WOOHOO PARTY PARTY PARTY
I flew on them from Cape Town to Johannesburg in 2016, very enjoyable in coach class.
great vid thank you. You are so cute when a little buzzed after a couple of glasses of wine! Yes- that feeling of wanting to get off the plane no matter how good the food, how comfortable the seat/bed, even being in a business class seat feels like being confined after a few hours...
Your 2 cents are totally on point. I agree with ya. Just subscribed! I loved your honesty!
Thank you so much for this very rare SAA review especially the business class. This airline is surely on its rise to redemption and so it will be exciting to see more SAA reviews
@David John Murray Reynolds true however it's a step up from the previous product hence my statement is correct.
@David John Murray Reynolds I agree with your statement but it lacks thorough analysis and in depth knowledge.
@David John Murray Reynolds that makes the both of us bru. Since you know better then you're absolutely right.
@@khumoaviator4060 True, but as the months (and years) go by, the "previous product" which is still found on 70% of their long haul fleet (15 year old A340s) is still standard and becomes more dated by the day. Here is some info regarding the 2 new A350s they have just leased
www.aerotelegraph.com/en/south-african-airways-leases-two-a350-aircraft
What's with all your cynical comments mate?
This was one of the best.... and sadly no more
The seatbelt. That's super sick! like a car.
Hey Josh, this brings back memories, I used to fly SAA from JNB to LHR regularly, but after years of corruption and mismanagement, SAA has been reduced to a regional airline with no destinations outside of the African continent. What a pity...
Lovely to see you 'let go' - the wine has been the star of this review - good to see you so happy!
I stumbled across your channel through a TH-cam recommendation and I'm glad I found it. You have a new sub. Great video.
The Business class is really impressive , the 6K screen wow 🤩 and the seats also
Crazy long flight with a little too much wine and food. You looked sick at the end. Poor Josh!! Thanks as always for the great review.❤️👍
Yes 18 hours in an airplane can be very long haha - don't try haha
I was fortunate enough to fly on a maiden flight on SA. Impeccable service, delicious food, absolutely splendid!
Great video Josh! Thanks :)
Supersonic speed is mach 1(speed of sound in air) or 767.269 mph or 1234.79976156002 kmph. Normally, turbofan engines cannot go above mach 0.92 - 0.94.
Loved your review of our national carrier : )
Nice review. Considering how few passengers were in your cabin I am surprised that the FA did not offer to make your bed. That simple act is one way to distinguish average service from exceptional Business Class service. The lack of salt and pepper shakers may be a good economic decision on SA's part and they probably are pilfered but it stood out glaringly in an international Business Class cabin. Take care and Happy Travels!
Really guys, just make your own beds and sleep.
From your review, (I’ve flown Ethiopian Business in a similar route) I can tell that I would prefer SAA, if they flew to Bangkok, which unfortunately they don’t at the moment. It feels as if there is a down to earth feeling and the crew are so lovely, so welcoming and happy. Ethiopian train their cabin crew vigorously, whereas I feel as if SAA have a very down-to-earth “motherly” feeling with their cabin crew. The product is also a lot better for solo travelers. The only possibility of flying SAA for me is to go to Hong Kong then hop on their A340-300 to Joburg. The laughs, the jokes, the casual comments of the cabin crew give such a warm feeling, whereas on Ethiopian they seem to be too focused on the task at hand, but I did meet a lovely cabin crew who was very casual and genuinely happy.
Thanks for this comment continue flying SAA
Nomde's Take I wish I could, they don’t fly to Bangkok anymore do they? I had the chance to fly them JNB-CPT but the rest of the group was booked on BA op comair so it only made sense to follow suit unfortunately. Amazing service from BA even in economy. The crew are so kind and so genuinely happy.
Amazing service & I loved the friendly crew, I love crew that are smiling & open to a friendly conversation. Such an organized airline it looks. I lived in Accra for 9 years, you should visit there one day.
What a comprehensive review!
From the video, I can see how much you enjoyed the flight and how passionate the flight attendant was to provide you hospitable services.
A big thumbs-up to both you and South African Airways
around 1200km/h is supersonic btw HUGE fan
thanks josh for flying on SAA's premium business class product
Years ago I flew a CX flight from YVR-YYZ, the last leg home. We had the Gulf Stream, and a strong westerly wind, behind us, and it was very cold at altitude. The captain announced when the wind and the engines gave us Mach 1.1 (without trying). The flight was only four hours long.
Could you hear the sonic boom?!
1. You’re a legit cutie
2. Love your accent
3. You seem very kind and genuine
4. 2 videos in to your channel I can tell it’s unique and unlike any other airline review channel, you offered info and views that I would be interested to see.
5. Just watching your drinks to get an idea of the turbulence after you mentioned just made me anxious, if someone that flys all the time says someone like me wouldn’t be happy I believe it!!!
Great review! The dinner and dessert looked amazing!!!
Thanks! Yes, best cheesecake ever!
You gotta love the Rainbow Nation Courier.
Do you mean British Airways which now fly our Springbok Rugby Team around as SAA is bankrupt once again?
What a lovely cabin crew too! Having a nice cabin crew can make a flight experience twice as good!
SAA has just received the first of four A350-900s, fly on those and you’ll be amazed
... A350s which don't belong to them (just to add to the record) and will soon be returned back to the owner and resprayed over to another carrier, due to account non-payment...
@@deonellis8577 this is a joke of the Security
Hi Josh. That speed you see would be supersonic if it were the airspeed but its actually the ground speed plus tailwind that you get when traveling eastbound across the atlantic. This is a great flight report, keep it up
Hospitality! Fantastic stuff, the first video of yours where I am actually envious of your adventures!
..i do like your honesty, yet always remember, that we need to be very patient with other people from other cultures.
Hope you are feeling better now Josh. The seats look cool. I'd love to try the dessert that you tried during the flight. 😊 Safe travels 👍
the color scheme is great
Some of the best service and food I have had was in South Africa.
Good review Josh. I will soon be taking their A330-900 from LHR to JNB. Thanks a million
I’d love to see a video with like travel tips and/or travel must haves!
As far as I know, when you fly at high speeds some parts of the frame can go supersonic, precisely those parts where the airflow is higher. But not the overall aircraft.
I’ve flown GRU-JNB-JFK and back in Y on a mistake fare back in 2015....that was crazy
Speed of sound at sea level is about 1225 km/h . Anything above that speed is supersonic.But speed of sound decreases with altitude. So at an altitude of 30,000 feet the speed of sound will be approximately 1091 km/h. But your aircraft speed was less than speed of sound.Therefore it is not supersonic.(correct me if I am wrong)
And also it would be related to the concept of ground speed and air speed, air speed is what actually matters.
And 6 months later this airline is no more. I am sad about this as a former traveller (best seats, food and service) and very sad as a South African.
Painful indeed.
Very sad state of affairs, I hope the new owner doesn't rebrand it...
SAA is being resurrected, it's a vast source of graft for corrupt officials, and while the infrastructure in South Africa is crumbling in almost every aspect, and children are still dying in pit latrines at schools, the government is hellbent on bankrupting public and SOE to ensure they can still fly in style🙄🙄
there's hope! SAA Will fly again
Oh Liezl, you just had to unfortunately.
Thanks for this good review. I have flown SAA very frequently over the years, on numerous domestic routes and internationally. Mostly good experiences, but will never fly that 18 hour journey from the USA to South Africa again. I have flown that route at least 6 or 7 times, as I get older it is just too exhausting. My wife and I are traveling to Cape Town in February 2022, but are flying from Boston via London. A short break in London will break the journey nicely.
Good job,love the seat in business class
Perfect. I really like this video. 👍👍
Thanks you Josh for reviewing our country's airline.
Nice to see a positive review.
Great flight report... I totally agree, they should splurge for the mini salt and pepper shakers.
Great video! Love SAA 👌👍
I play a game that features this airport in good detail. Was nice to watch your videos of the apron. And great you passed through my home country☺️
Excellent!!
The speed of sound changes in accordance to air temperature & density. At air temp. of +15°C the speed of sound around 1000km
The seats have such good design
Anyone tried watching this video with the captions on? Outrageously hilarious with the translation.
He said THE SEAT and the caption was DECEIT. He said BED the caption was BAD. I feel sorry for the deaf passengers who are watching the infotainment system.
Your videos are passionating
I just found your channel through TH-cam recommendation and so glad to find you. Very much enjoyed this, but wondered what the Johannesburg airport was like. By the way, if the airplane had reached supersonic airspeed (not ground speed) it would have been a unpleasant experience for you and the pilots. Recovery from that speed is a tricky and pilots are trained to avoid the experience.
What would have happened to make it unpleasant? A lot of turbulence?
Excellent review 👍👍👍
Dope review im definitely gonna fly this once i go to sa next month
Josh, Great video.
Wow! I would love to experience this someday! I am randomly watching this video after watching James Asquith's vlog on traveling in an African Business Class. Definitely worth watching too! Good luck on your next vlog 😊😊
Nonstop flights? Oh My God, So Beautiful long flight!18 hours😲😲
My country does me proud again 🇿🇦
The Indicated Air speed(which takes into consideration air compresibility) of the aircraft is different to the True Air speed (speed on the ground) due to the fact that as altitude increases , air dencity decreases, so in order to maintain the nessesary lift , a higher ground speed is needed but the I.A.S will remain the same due to air compressibility.
Beautiful video, beautiful cabin! I'm focusing on Star Alliance this year, so South African is definitely an airline on my want list.
- Red
Josh supersonic is when you travel faster the sound which occurs at 768 miles per hour, or for the rest of the world 1,235 kilometers per hour, and culminates in a sonic boom
Hi from South Africa. Glad you enjoyed your SAA experience its a great airline despite its financial problems. Made me proud. Btw I did that 18 hour flight a few years ago on a 747 in economy class...a very long flight.
I wish you showed more footage of the crew... they look like the friendliest bunch I have ever seen and I’ve gotten happy just listening to their laughter and smiles. South Africans really are some of the cheeriest people in the world!
The reason for the high speed seen in the IFE is the high groundspeed that is being caused by high windspeeds in the direction of your flights. The Jetstream is also the reason why aircraft frequently set up speed records on eastbound transatlantic flights, as a Virgin Atlantic Dreamliner recently did. Its groundspeed was higher than the speed of sound, but with the wind boost substrates from the groundspeed you will find it to be a normal, not supersonic, speed. The airspeed is always the speed relative to the surrounding air. So the crucial factor is the wind speed.
Damn, this one started with a very exciting drum set. I am hyped beyond belief!!!!
Indicated airspeed +tailwind gives you the groundspeed which you see. The true airspeed is no where near supersonic.
Super video 👌Thank you, and good trip 👌
Awesome!!
thank you for trying our country 🌸😊
Safe travels to you Josh Cahill.
I traveled 4 times by SA by economy, flights are amazing.
Very nice trip report, SAS has the same seats in business class as well.
Good review. I am taking this same flight tomorrow. 17.5 hours is long as f*ck!
From what I can judge based on your video, it looked great. Would definitely fly them when I go to South Africa.