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- The Kansas/Leftoverture project I'm working on with Tim fletcher is finally up and I'd love for you to check it out. We're already moving forward with the next song on the album.
Here's the link - www.notreble.c...
Please be sure to click on "the first part of the book" link to check out the wonderful words that Tim wrote along with the transcription and tab too!
If you'd like to leave a comment, that would be really nice. The comment section is at the bottom of the NoTreble webpage.
For your reward, you get the title song off of the "Song For America" by Kansas which came out in 1975 and featured the one and only Dave Hope on bass.
Here's an Unlisted version as well - • Song For America/Legend
Dave Hope is one of the bass players that I really like.
Kansas is one of the most underrated progressive bands.
TJ , magnificent work.
Me too!
No doubt!
Thanks a lot!
Underrated? They were HUGE!
Dave always played with a pick so playing this with fingers is pretty impressive!
Phabbulous work there, Troy!
This has always been my favorite Kansas song, so many great changes and melodies in one song.
I got to see them play supporting Yes Masterworks tour in Nashville. Gosh,that’s been 25-ish years ago.
Anyhoo, really enjoyed listening to your video!
Wanted to add Dave Hope is one of 2 bassists I’ve heard who got that grungy prog twang out of a Precision Bass.
(The Other was John Wetton circa Red-era King Crimson.)
Thank you very much.
Awesome, that's great to hear!
Wow, I didn't know that they toured with YES. That must have been some show!
Yeah, Precisions can be anything in the right hands... except mine.
@@TJH3113 I believe it was in 2000 I went to the tour in Boston, Kansas was great.
I saw the last show of the Audio Visions tour in Saratoga Springs, Sept 6, 1981.. Last show the original band played. It was absolutely amazing.
Very cool. "No One Together" is an epic song off of that album.
It's hard for me to pick a favorite Kansas song, but I'd have to say this is the one! Brilliant performance Troy!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Great to hear! I'm very glad that you liked it. Thanks so much.
Might be my favorite as well.
One of my favourite songs ever, and a very important bass song when I first started playing as a kid.
The bass tone at 2:30 blew me away. Still does! Dave had clearly treated himself to some new strings 😄
@Ben Thompson Ditto for me Ben!!!
Yeah, such an incredible song and, to think, at one time, they were selling out arenas playing this music!
Quite agree! I'm not a bass player but always "play the air-bass" during this passage every time I listen to this gorgeous song.
Love it! And at 3:00? Wow! Been trying to figure that one out for over 40 years!
I'm very glad you liked it Glenn. Now you've got it!
I have never heard this song.. I’m not a super big Kansas fan..I like them but never checked out much of there catalog..just a great job as always.. you are just a unbelievable bassist... and I mean that..I’ve checked out so much of your work and I love it.. I don’t know if anyone has told you this but you seam so much more comfortable and happy in your more recent postings..it’s great to see you looking like your having fun...I know there’s no way I’m doing this song so I’ll just enjoy watching you do it..thank you for all the work you do.. have a great day..
Hard song to cover
Kansas has an incredible catalog of great songs. Thanks so much for the very kind words. As far as my demeanor goes, I'm a pretty stiff fellow, if you know what I mean. It's just taken me over ten years of uploading covers to loosen up a bit. Who knows what will be happening after twenty! Thanks again Drew. Take care.
Hi Troy - somehow I only found this now. Magnificent playing on my favourite Kansas song - wow!
I'm glad you liked it. It's one of my favorites as well. Thanks!
@@TJH3113 Absolutely - especially that run around the three minute mark that gets repeated towards the end of the track.
Well done Troy! You certainly always do justice with your covers and I always take away something from watching and listening. THANKS for all you do!
Wow, thank you! I appreciate your very generous compliment.
Oh yes Kansas is definitely going to be a learning curve for me but will be worth the time and effort 💯... I remember you commented on Kansas when you played wayward son and everything you said was so dead on the money and I could not have said it any better because I had the privilege of getting to see them live in Michigan and they were amazing and did not cut any corners in any way and they are a concert I would go to see over and over and never get burned out from it.. and I totally agree with you that anyone who enjoys thier music would be amazed by the energy and precision that is put into the performance 🎸💯..... anyone who has the chance to go see Kansas in concert, I would definitely advise you to. 🎸✌️🎸
Yes, Kansas is one of those band I never miss when they come to town. The Fixx is another one of those bands... great songs and great performances.
Wow, nice job. I hadn't remembered how intricate and interesting the bass line from that song is.
Thank you. Yeah, such an incredible song, isn't it?
Dave Hope. Allways killing on bass.
No doubt!
Great selection!! This cover could not be more perfect,....tone, articulation, power-fills,....so beautiful!
Thanks a lot! I appreciate the very kind words.
Wow,as ALWAYS................GREAT COVER Troy!!! You simply nailed the Fabulous Bass on this one!!! Excellent Job!!! :-)
Wow, thank you!
You make it all look so easy.....well done !
That is an illusion.....thanks so much!
Very beautiful, what a superb playing Troy, thanks for your time and efforts. Love the unlisted version as well.
Many thanks! It is my pleasure.
Marvelous playing.👏👏👏👏🙂🙂💯
Many thanks!!
You never cease to amaze me.
Thanks so much.
@@TJH3113 🎶😎
I am just discovering your channel and gotta say I love your tone and how well you do. I love this song for many reasons and the bass line is a big one and you did it great!! thank you for sharing.
Thank you so much!! I'm glad you liked it.
GREAT job! This is my favorite Kansas song. Masterful cover. 👍🏻
It's one of mine as well. Thanks so much!!
Fantastic!!!! Congratulations.
Thank you!
Love that tone on the Aria Pro!
I'm glad you like it!
Watching you & your ear is nothing short of AMAZING. Been listening to this song for nearly 45 years and NEVER noticed 6:08 before. Incredible detail & ear! Rock on!
awesome cover troy!
Thanks for listening Ray
Wow!
I enjoy your covers so much. Kansas is one of my preferred bands.
It is amazing how you manage to nail the song in a single take, no editing, overdubbings or tricks. Just a lot of rehearsing and very much of enjoying!
Fly By Night!
Cheers!
Thank you very much!
Excellent cover. Very smooth playing. I didn't know the song and it sounded fab. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much!
@@TJH3113 no worries man😁
Did it again! Flawless transItions, not one missed note. I HATE YOU!!!. LOL...
One of my all time faves...
Thanks a lot, but there were actually a couple of small clams in there. Thanks for not pointing them out! I'm very glad you liked it.
Minha canção favorita do Kansas!
Espetacular!
Saudações do Brasil!
É maravilhoso ouvir isso!
Muito obrigado!
Saudações de New Windsor, Nova York!
Great job! Cool song.
Thanks Jeff!
Amazing cover my friend. One of my top 5 Kansas tunes!
Thanks a lot Dustin!
Great bass playing! I've been fortunate enough to have seen Kansas in concert twice; they put on a great show!
Thank you. I'd never seen them until a few years back, 5 or 6. Now we see them every time they come to town. They never disappoint.
Excellent job
Thank you! Cheers!
This series is a tremendous help for my band, which covers Kansas, Styx, and Foreigner. Thanks, man.
That's wonderful to hear. Thanks Andrew.
Great tone - just enough snap and lots of growl
Nice! ...well, off to watch your Magnum Opus vid next
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Jeez, that one was a beast.
As I have said for years and years and years Dave Hope is so amazing and so underrated great job!
I hear you! Thanks a lot.
@@TJH3113 Kansas recorded the Dave Hope's bass with a lot of compression on the albums. What effects if any did you use on that recording?
Really fantastic man! All up and down that neck!
Thanks so much!
Wow, very nice!
Thank you very much!
Dang, one of the more longer covers I've seen from you, and excellent playing throughout as always! Cheers man!
And, from what I've learned, this is actually a few minutes short of the original song's length! Thanks a lot.
@@TJH3113 Ahh I never knew that! That's really awesome, and you are welcome!
I love those Aria Pro II Super Basses. I have a 1980 SB-750. I have received several compliments from my bandmates on the sound. I replaced the original pickup with a Rautia Guitars pickup (out of Finland or Norway). It is supposed to mimic the sound of a Music Man pickup. A subtle difference, but I like it. That was a chore.
Yes, very high quality instruments they are. This bass actually has a Rautia replacement as well... the, period correct, reverse P-style. What was a chore about it? The purchase? The installation?
TJH3113 installation was a chore for me. I had an electrician friend help me. He knows a lot, but we had to bypass the switch that is on the bass. The main chore was we had to use a dremel tool to remove some wood inside the pickup cavity to make room for the cable coming out of the pickup. We started out trying to chisel the wood out. The wood is very hard (huh-huh). It mostly took a long time because my friend couldn’t stay focused on the work at hand. I wasn’t unhappy with the original pickup, but I wondered if there might be some cool sounding replacements out there I could try. I was willing to experiment.
@@benjaminleimkuhler6812 I see. Fortunately, I have the luxury of just dropping my shit off and then picking it up when it's finished. I have not technical skills whatsoever.
Magnificent. I have a new appreciation for prog rock, so thank you. I truly believe the bass should be more front-and-center in rock bands’ recordings.
Thank you. That's wonderful to hear. I'd sign that petition!
amazing as always!
Thanks so much!
Awesome Job Brother!! That's a fabulous song and quite a job following Brother Dave! Well done!
Thank you kindly! Definitely.
Great performance! Good cover my friend!!!
Thank you very much my friend.
You are awesome Troy
Downloaded and promise to read. Will always support you my friend.
You are! And thanks.
great job Troy as usual, enjoyed the bonus footage at the end..met the current line-up in S.C., nice folks, very talented!
Thank you very much, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I was introduced to the lead singer, Ronnie, by Phil's drum tech, Eric, before a show last October. He could not have been nicer... and he's a giant!
Troy - that was a great cover! Always loved this song... has quite a bit of tricky sets of runs in it, up and down the neck, Well done my friend!!!!
Thanks so much!
One of my favorites. Thank you Troy.
Awesome! It was my pleasure!
Magnificent!
Thank you!
Wow.... what a cool composition. Sounds fantastic!
Thanks for listening. I'm glad you liked it. Kansas has many other songs just as great as this one.
Very cool...how exciting!!
I'm very glad you liked it!
Dude your house looks like the goosebumps mask store
You should see the basement!
Nice bass tone and cover
Thanks a lot.
great
thanks
Great sound Troy! Excellent song pick!
Hey, thanks a lot!
Bravo!
Grazi!
Awesome cover ! A long and very rich song. Wow ! ;-)
Thanks a lot! Yeah, it's a wonderful piece of music, isn't it?
I have often thought that I would have more fun playing bass in a Kansas cover band than in a Rush cover band, even though Rush is my #1 love. A Song for America is the first Kansas song I heard, beside Dust in the Wind. My brother had the live record album, and I was sitting at the kitchen table, hearing the live version of this song from Two for the Show, and I was blown away. I was about 12, and I was already the world's biggest Rush freak, and I thought this song was a lot like Rush, in its badass-ness. The bass is all over the place. Kansas music is a feast for bass players. Any time I have heard Kansas live in concert, I couldn't hear one bass note. So disappointing. What the hell is wrong with most sound men?
That's a very good point and I think I'd have to agree with you, though there would be so many more moving parts in a Kansas tribute. Yeah, bass sound, overall, is pretty much hit or miss. To be honest, I've only heard Geddy sound really good a handful of times out of the many shows I've seen. We saw Kansas at an old theatre in Albany, NY last December and the bass sound was exquisite... just how you want to hear it. I think it has a lot to do with the acoustics of the venue and where your particular seats are located.
TJH3113 yeah, out of the 20+ Rush shows I’ve seen (all of them Presto and after) I never could hear the bass notes like I wanted to. Vi could see his hands doing cool shit, but couldn’t freaking hear it. So much guitar and bass drum. His distortion seems to blend in too much with the guitar. I have some audience sourced arena bootlegs from Moving Pictures through Power Windows where I can hear his bass really well, with tone and articulation.
@@benjaminleimkuhler6812 Some of the best sounding Rush shows I've heard was when he was playing the Steinberger and the Wal. Seen a few good Ric shows, but the Jazz bass is just too boomy. I hate to say it, but the last few tours had some of the worst live sound that I've ever heard.
Awesome cover! My 2nd favorite Kansas song next to The Wall! 🤟
Thanks! "The Wall" is the next song up for dissection with the project I'm doing with Tim Fletcher.
Love it
Thank you
Cool Bass Troy
Thanks, I think so too.
phenomenal as always!
thank you
Troy, Windows of the Vinyl Confessions album would be a fun one.
I’ll check it out. Thanks for the suggestion.
Really nice job Troy! The tone is very “Hope-ish” . I’ve been trying to master this one for quite some time. Still pile up on a couple of the runs, but hope springs eternal 😄
Thank you! Do you think? Keep at it, it will come!
Great job as always.
Thanks so much.
excellent
Thanks Chris.
Dave Hope is awesome. I always thought Kansas was an underrated prog band, always in the shadow of the better known bands from the UK.
Yes, he's one of my favorite players. Definitely, though they were selling out arenas at one point in time.
Troy , man I think you nailed it 100%. Do you think you did or is there some imperfection. I have been listening to this song since it came out. Great job. The G section always trips me up ,weird fingerings.
Thanks, I think it's pretty close, but I'm sure there are a few things that are open for interpretation. Yeah, those weird fingerings are what happens when keyboardists write parts.
Perfect! Love it!
Thank you!
A great talent!
Yes, Dave Hope certainly is!
I said about you.
never a big fan of Kansas, but Hope was/is an outstanding player, as are you; nicely done 👍🏻
Thanks for taking the time to watch it and comment, even though it is not your cup of tea.
TJH3113 dude, all of your vids are worthwhile watches 👍🏻
I love your channel and I'm consistently impressed and uplifted. Any chance you could do one of my favorites "Shout to the Top" by The Style Council?
I see someone has a video of it up but would still enjoy it done by you. Or maybe "Sheep" by The Housemartins?
Thanks so much. I'll check your suggestions out. Thanks for making them.
Epic! 👍
Thanks!
Thanks for posting this!
Could you please cover "Love Takes Time" by Orleans? Can't find it anywhere!
It was my pleasure, thank you for watching. I will check it out, thanks for the suggestion. We’re actually going to see Orleans this Friday.
Groovy 😀👍
Thank you.
Another great job! Are you using a touch of chorus? I can hear some subtle pitch wavering, especially on low sustained notes, but that might be the backing track coming through.
Thank you. No, it sound like my E string may be slightly out of tune.
@@TJH3113 gotcha - I had always thought Ross Valory's tone had a nice way of taking up a lot of space in the mix, years before I read that he had just a touch of chorus running all the time.
❤️
Thanks Cindy.
I have an Aria Pro SB-1000 but I struggle to get a good tone out of it. Yours is wonderful. What's your signal chain/amp? Longtime watcher/first time commentator- thanks!
I'll admit that the sound of this bass is a bit "drier" and flatter than I prefer. It tends to blend in a bit more than I'm used to, but it sticks out just enough to make the cut. All of my EQ is coming from a SansAmp Bass Drover Ver. 2 which has a Midrange control unlike the original version. The p/u is the reverse P-style.
Loved watching all your versions of this masterpiece, and learned most of it from you. However each of your takes is on a different version vs the full song on the remastered album. At 7:28 it is supposed to go back to the intro. There are also some interesting variations from the intro at around 8:03 to 8:10 (I would love to see you play them). The full length is 10:03.
Thank you. Actually, I believe that this is the same version of the song that I covered years ago. It's off of the "Best of Kansas" compilation. I believe I got this version because the full length version required you to purchase the entire album on iTunes. It's funny, because I was just watching a live clip that I took of them playing the song last December and I notice the change in the arrangement. I thought they just revamped it for live shows, or something like that.
@@TJH3113 Hi Troy. Nope - that version you heard live is probably close to the original full length version (that is what I have heard them play live recently), and I did notice that the version you did with the Rickenbacker in 2010 was also the shortened version. I am still very impressed by the excellent job that you did with the version you have, I was just hoping to pick up some more from you on that extra part. Take a listen to this version th-cam.com/video/KHbkrHwy7I0/w-d-xo.html. FYI - I was never a big Kansas fan - even during the 70's - until 3 months ago, and since then I've been binging on everything I can find from them. Before that I was in my Chicago/Terry Kath era phase for about 9 months - Peter Cetera was actually a good bass player. Thanks, Steve
Did your fingers fall off after that performance Troy? Lol. Awesome!
Almost! Thanks Chris.
Fantastic!!!
BTW, the unlisted link is not there.
Looking forward to more Kansas.
Thanks David!
(fixed it... thanks)
What happened at 7:27?
I'm assuming it was the "Best of Kansas" edit.
How long did it take for get that down in all honesty?
It's really hard to say. This was a do-over, so I'd done another version 10 years earlier, so I had some of it stored in the back of my brain. That being said, every song is different and comes together at its own pace. Learning the song is one thing; getting it to the point to where I can play it straight through without making any glaring errors is another. There have been songs that I've worked on for months.
Would this happen to be the Best of Kansas edit? :D
Probably is. At 7:28 the original album version goes back to the intro in C with the octaves.
Yes, it's off of the "Best of..." album. I think I got this off of iTunes, way back when, because the full length version required you to buy the full album.
9:00 practising after the performance... 'cause you're never satisfied with yourself and next time will be better hehehh
Big truth.
you do realize you covered the edited version right?
the full unedited album version is about a minute longer
Yes. Nine minutes is long enough.
@@TJH3113 fair enough
Great cover and tone. BTW, you on TalkBass?? I'd follow you if you are
Thanks Daniel. I am, but I mostly just go there to roll my eyes.
@@TJH3113 hahaha, whys that
@@DannyBoi2112 Oh jeez, don't get me started.
@@TJH3113 since we were on the topic of Rush, let me tell you a story of a guy that replied to a post of mine. So, the post I made was that I asked people what their dream bass was, and I explained that my dream bass is the Fender Jazz Bass Geddy Lee Signature. About a week goes by and I enjoyed reading about what basses others own and someday hope to own. Then, some guy tries to tell me that he is Geddy's cousin and tells me that Geddy bought his number one bass (his '72 J Bass) in a 'Porn Shop', yes, 'Porn Shop'. Which I think he meant pawn shop. I highly doubt he is Geddy's cousin because that can just be some random dude in his house that does nothing but browse Talkbass Forums. And, there is a video of Geddy explaining his number one and explaining how he obtained it. I just responded by telling him the real story of hoe he got his number one. He also goes on to tell me that there is nothing special about his number one, and that you can easily buy a Fender J Bass USA and just put a Badass II on it to save money. Nope, I am continuing and will always continue to save so one day I can buy that bass. That is one reason why I dont like TB sometimes. Full of people making up BS stories. So yeah, thanks for reading
@@DannyBoi2112 The Geddy Lee Signatures are nice basses. Some people say that the ones made in Japan are better than the ones currently made in Mexico, but I don't buy into that. I really don't care for the American made signatures. I have to agree with the fellow about finding the right bass that works for you though. Actually, if you bought a USA model Jazz bass you'd probably wind up paying more than you would for a Japanese or Mexican made signature. I'm not sure if Geddy said it in the video or somewhere else, but sometimes everything just clicks to make a bass special in your hands. There's no secret recipe... you can play 10 Jazz basses and they will all sound different... some slightly and some greatly. I will say that the Signatures all seem to have a fairly consistent sound from bass to bass. I love my Spector basses, but my favorite one of them all is the cheapest, import model. I bought a few, much more expensive Spectors thinking they'd be my #1, but I keep returning to the entry level Legend. I actually just got a comment from a fellow (Luv Basses... I think) on my "Waste of Your Valuable Time Pt. 1" video who say he sold Geddy the seafood green Jazz bass that essentially replaced Geddy's #1. He sounds legit and I asked some followup questions and am looking forward to hearing back from him. Yeah, there are like 5 or 6 guys on TalkBass who comment on every single thread. I can barely stand to look at their avatars. I loathe know-it-alls. One guy has the James Brown bobble-head avatar. I mainly go there to browse the classifieds.
What kind of bass is that?
It is an Aria Pro II Elite I.
Yo, tune that bass bro!
Tune that ass, Bro! Ping-ping pie!
Are you a bass teacher
No, I am not.
.......my nigga did you just play one of my favorite songs by---- yup off rip im slapping that subscribe button harder than my family slaps ribs on a grill you're cool through me
Are you open to any constructive criticism? You're playing is really fantastic. However, there's a lot of negative energy behind you to the point I can't watch because the spiritual vibes are really powerful. I don't know if you have those things behind you in all your videos, but maybe your channel would grow more without those?
Of course, and thank you. I’ve always been a big horror fan, and I consider the masks behind me to be art. Certainly a lot of artistic talent went into creating them. They’ve been behind me since before I started my channel, which was over 14 years ago. As far as growing my channel goes, I’ve never been concerned about that. I’m happy that it’s still of a size that allows me to respond personally to every comment. Thanks and take care!
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nice job