I mean, this original What-If didn’t even have the real Symbiote. It was a similar looking alien parasite that sucked away his youth and vitality, they explain it in future letters pages of What-If when every Venom fan and their mother kept pointing out the Symbiote shave never done that before, or ever since.
What If Spider-Man kiIIing the burglar: "Oh no! What am I going to do?" Raimi Spider-Man kiIIng the burglar: "Huh. That was easy. Barely an inconvenience."
Good stuff here, always love me some Depressing Spidey Stories, particularly that Wolverine one. As to your request for GBU suggestions, maybe a GBU on stuff various big name artists/writers did before they got big?
I think Spider-Man's outfit in the first book is the same as the one used in silver surfer requiem and Ribic's art compliments the suit (and the entire book) so much that it's nice to see it outside of that book.
Suggestion for future GB&U (as requested in video): each comic is from a different non-American market. Examples: Franco-Belgian market (maybe something from Heavy Metal / Humanoids), Manga (not Junji Ito though, because that would win), British (2000 AD), Italian (Dylan Dog), Argentinian (Cybersix), etc
I like how the Symbiote What if turns into, What If the symbiote went full Majin Buu. Also, its pretty weird that in all the What If books where Spiderman gets the symbiote he never keeps them for the whole thing. The suit sucks up all Peters Youth Juices in this one. In the Zdarsky book, he losses it in issue 3 In the The Other book its more the suit Puppeteering Peters corpse.
The rating system described at the beginning reminds me of something my little brother's best friend would say: "Rate this thing on a scale of the Star Wars movies." I, being over a decade older, would often not know the reference he's making and so I would respond, "Episode 3," Revenge of the Sith being the Star Wars movie, at that time, I had not seen.
Dark X-Men What Ifs at some point? "What If Wolverine became Lord of the Vampires" (What If Vol 2 #24) was my first What If book. I read it so much as a kid that it fell apart. It was also my first introduction to Doctor Strange, which might be part of the reason I read it so much.
24:50, I had an idea like this for Andi Benton aka Mania/scream/silence since she has the hellmark, making her in line for potentially queen of hell, she could easily corrupt her symbomite or create a new suit using the mark to become basically marvels' spawn. I HAVE PITCHES FOR DAYS On those side characters everyone forgets about.
Aw I usually never watch movies on opening weekend, but got a chance to watch Multiverse of Madness last Thursday and was looking forward to hearing y'all talk about it live on Off The Rack since I usually have to skip them until later. Oh well, at least I have this great episode of GBU to get my Comic Pop fix! Can't wait to hear your discussion on the film though 🙂
I really like the close up shots on your faces during this episode. Great content as always, coming back to you to just listen while doing some biring work really elates my day! Keep on reading!
There certainly are a lot of Mars Attacks crossovers with random properties (Judge Dredd, Red Sonja, Transformers, Ghostbusters, Popeye) you could do an episode on some of those books
But as of the ones in this episode the first one, I'd kill for a spin off universe about this assassin Peter, just as I feel like he'd be a very interesting to see him being an international jet setting spy with Alex going on adventures together and the ripples of the marvel stuff.
Okay different idea for future GB&U: Comics based on toy-lines. Examples: GI Joe, Masters of the Universe, Micronauts, My Little Pony, Rom the Spaceknight, Transformers, etc
The “assassian”Spider-Man outfit from my know has only been in one main line Spider-Man game and that’s edge of time releasesd in 2011. I definitely expect it in insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 to be a outfit to wear
@@joefayant6143 Huh so you're right it turns out it is in that game unlocked by an exclusive code from a website. My bad, I never knew that after all these years.
Have you guys heard about/read the "Dark Knights of Steel" mini-series? It's not finished yet (so far 6 out of 12 issues) but it's a really cool Elseworlds story IMO.
More importantly, when Simon Furman created Death’s Head for the UK Transformers comics, he actually had him debut separately in a Marvel UK magazine so Marvel can own him and Simon could take him out of the Transformers universe later. Pretty smart way to keep Hasbro from owning your creation, yes?
@@kemmdog4444 Yes!! And that’s why issue 11 of Death’s Head’s first comic series couldn’t be reprinted in the recent Death’s Head tpb (which featured all of the first Death’s Head classic appearances not tied to either licensed characters or Death’s Head II), because issue 11 was about Doctor Who Magazine comics villain Cyrus P. Dogbolter, evil comic relief amphibian businessman villain from the 30th century, hiring Death’s Head to kill the 7th Doctor.
spidey has a healing factor? is that something relatively new? I read spiderman from maybe 1988-1994 and i can remember him getting a cold, suffering injuries etc.
This creates some questions about Mjolnir. Is the symbiote worthy? Or does manually controlling someone worthy allow wielding it? Could Ant-Man shrink Thor, tape him to the hilt, then lift the hammer?
Personally, I'd like to see a Spider-man story where he gets the symbiote and has to go on a quest to make peace with it, and thus himself. Maybe he takes up meditation with Iron Fisk and learns to use the symbiote to calm people, like a ranged chi motion. As far as GBU - my good is the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine. The symbiote one does hold a special place in my heart as I read it when it came out, but I have to agree with the table that it was all over the place.
I hate when writers use what if as a middle finger to any criticism. Like: what if one more day civil war, and what if world war hulk. Like instead of Aunt may being shot it’s Mary Jane, and I guess that’s enough for him kill kingpin in that version
So this is my very pedant distinction of eras in comics Golden Age - 1937-1955 Silver Age - 1955-1970 Bronze Age - 1970-1985 Dark/Iron Age - 1985-2000 Early Modern/Copper? Age - 2000-2015 Modern/Digitial? - 2015-Now
Wait, Simon Furman? The Guy who built the Transformers Mythology? No seriously, Simon Furman was in charge of Marvel's Transformers and more or less set the basis for all Transformers lore, he created the Transformers God Primus and the definitive origin for the Transformers race. Holy shit, he wrote the worst one
GBU idea 2 parter: Spider-man Clones no not the Ben Riley, Kaine and Ultimate Jessic Drew type clones but the Richard Ryder, Anya Corazon, Jaime Reyes, Derek James and yes even Virgil Hawkings type of clones , the ones who at one point or another the creatives in charge of the project either stated or it's clear as day "This is the (time period/rival company's) answer to/copy of spider-man" with a teen superhero adjusting to their great powers and trying to be responsible with them type clone. part 1 : the best Spider-man clones. (stuff you know is great and people might agree but might not have heard of, including the people who co-host with you) part 2 : the worst spider-man clones. (the absolute trash flops who all seem to be demanding a wrong box but only one can possibly get that honor. )
I have a suggestion for a GBU episode, you can take it or leave it. While we're waiting for the Garth Ennis Punisher MAX episodes of Back Issues, how about you do Punisher number 1's? Like Punisher MAX number 1 by Garth Ennis, then number 1 by Jason Aaron and then another MAX number 1 by a different author.
Support so GBU is never canceled!
I like how the Alien Costume what if is basically the concept Zdarsky went with and he really ran with it.
I mean, this original What-If didn’t even have the real Symbiote. It was a similar looking alien parasite that sucked away his youth and vitality, they explain it in future letters pages of What-If when every Venom fan and their mother kept pointing out the Symbiote shave never done that before, or ever since.
What If Spider-Man kiIIing the burglar: "Oh no! What am I going to do?"
Raimi Spider-Man kiIIng the burglar: "Huh. That was easy. Barely an inconvenience."
You’re bound to lose a few across the multiverse 😂
Why even give the burglar a chance of thought….What About My Uncle!? Did you give him a chance!
@@benparrish672 Bro what? Raimi's Peter is great and Tobey was like 26 years old
He didn’t kill him the burglar tripped and fell out the window
@@benparrish672 Tobey worked as a high school senior in that original Spiderman. I dont really get why hes so jarring for many people.
That assassin costume looks a lot like superior Spider-Man
"What if Mr. Fantastic was 25% dumber"
so...838 Reed?
Oh wait, that one's about 250% dumber, nevermind...
I lost it at "S&M Dual-Wield." Perfect name, Sal.
Simon Furman wrote most of the Transformers comics i grew up on. Salute you sir.
I THROCHED that Like button
Good stuff here, always love me some Depressing Spidey Stories, particularly that Wolverine one.
As to your request for GBU suggestions, maybe a GBU on stuff various big name artists/writers did before they got big?
Sal, Simon Furman created Death’s Head, Marvel’s funnest robot bounty hunter (or “Freelance Peacekeeping Agent”) D-lister.
On a scale of Sal to Ben, I'd give this episode an Ethan out of Tiffany.
0:11
Simon Furman is famous for his contributions to the Transformers mythos, I had to double take when I heard his name at 11:22!
the more crazy what if [or elseworld] GBUs the better! the format works well with other universe stuff particularly
I think Spider-Man's outfit in the first book is the same as the one used in silver surfer requiem and Ribic's art compliments the suit (and the entire book) so much that it's nice to see it outside of that book.
Suggestion for future GB&U (as requested in video): each comic is from a different non-American market.
Examples: Franco-Belgian market (maybe something from Heavy Metal / Humanoids), Manga (not Junji Ito though, because that would win), British (2000 AD), Italian (Dylan Dog), Argentinian (Cybersix), etc
I like how the Symbiote What if turns into, What If the symbiote went full Majin Buu.
Also, its pretty weird that in all the What If books where Spiderman gets the symbiote he never keeps them for the whole thing.
The suit sucks up all Peters Youth Juices in this one.
In the Zdarsky book, he losses it in issue 3
In the The Other book its more the suit Puppeteering Peters corpse.
The rating system described at the beginning reminds me of something my little brother's best friend would say: "Rate this thing on a scale of the Star Wars movies." I, being over a decade older, would often not know the reference he's making and so I would respond, "Episode 3," Revenge of the Sith being the Star Wars movie, at that time, I had not seen.
Yet another example of Black Bolt being shown as a devastatingly powerful being. He gets so nerfed in MCU.
Yoooo first hour squad !!!
SPIDER-MAN !!
Dark X-Men What Ifs at some point?
"What If Wolverine became Lord of the Vampires" (What If Vol 2 #24) was my first What If book. I read it so much as a kid that it fell apart. It was also my first introduction to Doctor Strange, which might be part of the reason I read it so much.
What If the X-Men Stayed in Asgard
24:50, I had an idea like this for Andi Benton aka Mania/scream/silence since she has the hellmark, making her in line for potentially queen of hell, she could easily corrupt her symbomite or create a new suit using the mark to become basically marvels' spawn. I HAVE PITCHES FOR DAYS On those side characters everyone forgets about.
Aw I usually never watch movies on opening weekend, but got a chance to watch Multiverse of Madness last Thursday and was looking forward to hearing y'all talk about it live on Off The Rack since I usually have to skip them until later.
Oh well, at least I have this great episode of GBU to get my Comic Pop fix!
Can't wait to hear your discussion on the film though 🙂
Lovely! Some Spider-Man greatness
Loved these one of my favorite dark Spider-Man what ifs is what if Spider-Man became the punisher
Eyyyyy I was at that Zapp show, man does time fly lol
Sal doesn't know Simon Furman??
Wow we gotta point him towards Marvel's Transformers run
I was like "Simon Furman??!! The Transformers guy??!!!" and t was so funny that none of them knew it
I really like the close up shots on your faces during this episode.
Great content as always, coming back to you to just listen while doing some biring work really elates my day!
Keep on reading!
What If? Spider-Man *is* a murderer! At least he feels the guilt of one.
Assassin Spidey's costume could be a way to explain Mime's powers of invisible weapons.
Thanks for the content!
I picked up that Spider-Man wolverine what if just the other day! Liked it. Weird seeing Spider-Man be a prick lol
Interesting video, would definitely be interested in seeing yall do more of these short stories =]
There certainly are a lot of Mars Attacks crossovers with random properties (Judge Dredd, Red Sonja, Transformers, Ghostbusters, Popeye) you could do an episode on some of those books
I was just rewatching old GBUs!
Great episode you guys! 👍🏼
I'd love to see a Grant Morrison themed GBU. Animal Man #5 (Coyote Gospel), Doom Patrol #45 (The Beard Hunter), and Batman #666 (Batman in Bethleham).
personal a fan of the Last Stand of the "Dark spider-men", which is technically a what if but NOT classified as a what if in the classic sense.
But as of the ones in this episode the first one, I'd kill for a spin off universe about this assassin Peter, just as I feel like he'd be a very interesting to see him being an international jet setting spy with Alex going on adventures together and the ripples of the marvel stuff.
@@jamesgreen6877 yeah I know, damn inheritors
Repetition is the mother of learning. More GBU Dark Spider-man until Marvel gets it. 😉
Can you add the Comic Pop Returns Good Bad and Ugly's to the old playlist? It took me a while to find out that it had moved to here.
Okay different idea for future GB&U: Comics based on toy-lines.
Examples: GI Joe, Masters of the Universe, Micronauts, My Little Pony, Rom the Spaceknight, Transformers, etc
The “assassian”Spider-Man outfit from my know has only been in one main line Spider-Man game and that’s edge of time releasesd in 2011. I definitely expect it in insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 to be a outfit to wear
It is not in that game unfortunately
@@Operation_Bagel edge of time? Yeah it is
@@joefayant6143 Huh so you're right it turns out it is in that game unlocked by an exclusive code from a website. My bad, I never knew that after all these years.
I'm pretty sure it's on the endless runner game
@@MakiPcr it might be I never got a lot of suits in that game. Didn’t play it for the last couple years of it’s lifespan
There is no one ugly at that table!
Have you guys heard about/read the "Dark Knights of Steel" mini-series? It's not finished yet (so far 6 out of 12 issues) but it's a really cool Elseworlds story IMO.
Love it
Simon Furman worked on a lot of Transformers stories
More importantly, when Simon Furman created Death’s Head for the UK Transformers comics, he actually had him debut separately in a Marvel UK magazine so Marvel can own him and Simon could take him out of the Transformers universe later. Pretty smart way to keep Hasbro from owning your creation, yes?
@@kemmdog4444 Yes!! And that’s why issue 11 of Death’s Head’s first comic series couldn’t be reprinted in the recent Death’s Head tpb (which featured all of the first Death’s Head classic appearances not tied to either licensed characters or Death’s Head II), because issue 11 was about Doctor Who Magazine comics villain Cyrus P. Dogbolter, evil comic relief amphibian businessman villain from the 30th century, hiring Death’s Head to kill the 7th Doctor.
spidey has a healing factor? is that something relatively new? I read spiderman from maybe 1988-1994 and i can remember him getting a cold, suffering injuries etc.
I was thinking about gbu after reading some Guy Gardner: Warriors this morning, so a new episode is a pleasant surprise
Just wondering, did you guys get new cameras or something? The visuals are looking crisp!
The spider assassin suit has been used in games before
When did the other camera get added? I’m late
This creates some questions about Mjolnir. Is the symbiote worthy? Or does manually controlling someone worthy allow wielding it? Could Ant-Man shrink Thor, tape him to the hilt, then lift the hammer?
No such thing as worthiness in comics it's just really heavy.
Guys I need a question answer Is spiderman and all spider persons marvel Natural Mutate Ninjas/Assassins
MORE GBU!!!
The scale of you? Hmm well Tiffany is Good, and Sal and Ethan are Bad. No ugly. And no judging hosts on this scale goes in the wrong box.
Personally, I'd like to see a Spider-man story where he gets the symbiote and has to go on a quest to make peace with it, and thus himself. Maybe he takes up meditation with Iron Fisk and learns to use the symbiote to calm people, like a ranged chi motion.
As far as GBU - my good is the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine. The symbiote one does hold a special place in my heart as I read it when it came out, but I have to agree with the table that it was all over the place.
So is Iron Fisk a version of Kingpin that trained in Kun Lun martial arts instead of Sumo?
Judged on a scale of ben to tiffany
GBU!! Let’s fucking goooo!
Alright, last suggestion for a future GB&U, I promise:
Comicbook adaptations of movies.
I just found out there's a comicbook adaptation of Rocky Horror.
I'm not sure how that works.
I hate when writers use what if as a middle finger to any criticism. Like: what if one more day civil war, and what if world war hulk. Like instead of Aunt may being shot it’s Mary Jane, and I guess that’s enough for him kill kingpin in that version
So this is my very pedant distinction of eras in comics
Golden Age - 1937-1955
Silver Age - 1955-1970
Bronze Age - 1970-1985
Dark/Iron Age - 1985-2000
Early Modern/Copper? Age - 2000-2015
Modern/Digitial? - 2015-Now
Wait, Simon Furman? The Guy who built the Transformers Mythology? No seriously, Simon Furman was in charge of Marvel's Transformers and more or less set the basis for all Transformers lore, he created the Transformers God Primus and the definitive origin for the Transformers race. Holy shit, he wrote the worst one
Why didn't Conners use crab DNA? Doesn't those actually remove claws? Or is that just a Mandela effect memory? 😄
Fighting robots: transformers, Megaman and magnus robot fighter.
Strange that some of these comments are from days ago but I'm getting it within the hour of now.
Patreon
@@comicpopreturns ohhhhh, gotcha
GBU idea 2 parter: Spider-man Clones
no not the Ben Riley, Kaine and Ultimate Jessic Drew type clones but the Richard Ryder, Anya Corazon, Jaime Reyes, Derek James and yes even Virgil Hawkings type of clones , the ones who at one point or another the creatives in charge of the project either stated or it's clear as day "This is the (time period/rival company's) answer to/copy of spider-man" with a teen superhero adjusting to their great powers and trying to be responsible with them type clone.
part 1 : the best Spider-man clones. (stuff you know is great and people might agree but might not have heard of, including the people who co-host with you)
part 2 : the worst spider-man clones. (the absolute trash flops who all seem to be demanding a wrong box but only one can possibly get that honor. )
Why isn't this comic pop variant?
Because channel names don't matter.
I've been watching comic pop for8 years when did you need to return?
Hooray GBU!
I have a suggestion for a GBU episode, you can take it or leave it. While we're waiting for the Garth Ennis Punisher MAX episodes of Back Issues, how about you do Punisher number 1's? Like Punisher MAX number 1 by Garth Ennis, then number 1 by Jason Aaron and then another MAX number 1 by a different author.
That plan is amazingly in a pile on my desk! It's not next but it is a plan!
@@comicpopreturns that's awesome, I hope I wasn't trying to seem like I was pressuring you or anything like that. Sorry if I did give that vibe off
How is Venom possessed Thor worthy to lift his hammer.
the spiderman becomes a murderer book fits peter's character the best but it is kinda boring. Assassin Spiderman is the best.
I like the one with Black Bolt because I like Black Bolt.
Bosco! Lool
Yeeey
What if... they gave comic Mj kids so they could make MCU the new comic love interest that would suck
GBU!!!!!!!!!
If only Spider-Man had murdered someone in the Symbiote issue. It would've made for a very clickbaity title.
Ah, "what if" the original clickbait.