As a regular ICE passenger I can tell you that the ICE1 and ICE2 are the most popular trainsets. All ICE4 and many ICE3 have newer seats which are way more uncomfortable than the old ones (even though DB claims to have fixed the issue). ICE1 and ICE2 are still sporting older, better padded, reclinable seats, which are much more comfortable! I'm kinda horrified by the thought that I have to endure the ICE4 seats over the next thirty years once the ICE1 and 2 are gone!
I personally favour the ICE 3 with their first set of seats. These were the best seats and the best designed trains so far. The seats that they built into the second class of these trains are the same as the ones they built into the first class coaches of the ÖBB RailJet. The Interieur with the wood, the aforementioned comfortable seats and the warm indirect are almost cozy. And the trains themselves are simply beautiful. In fact, the DB referes to their design in many ads and pictograms, even though SIEMENS sold very similiar looking trains to Spain, China and Russian. And though they were designed 25 years ago, they still look futuristic and fast. That said, I too don't like what the DB is up for with these trains: The refurbishment that is happening right now kind of ruins it for me. Especially the new seats are so much of a downgrade. I understand the concept behind the ICE 4: These trains are built to increase capacity and to reduce energy consumption of the trains. But for someone who is 1,93 m (6'4'') the seats are too close to each other. And there is more than one row per coach that does not enjoy a window but is entirly seated next to plastic panel. While the ICE 3 before the refurbishment gives you the feeling that you are invited in to the living room, the ICE 4 makes you feel like you are seated in a dentist's waiting room.
I just want to add: The current Eurostar trainsets are similar to ICE class 407. And DB drove a test Service of its ICE3M to London back in 2010. But after the Brexit referendum this project has been canceled. They had planned to operate services from Frankfurt to London. ICE3M and 407 should have been licenced to Eurotunnel.
It hadnt been cancelled because of Brexit but because the French and British didn't want competition for Eurostar. They cranked the cost for other trains to use to track up so high that is wasn't economically viable.
@@nielskut2256 yes, that was one of the problems, but unsolvable, . But brexit was one of the last nails in the coffin. Brexit means less travelers, even higher operating costs. And you can see how much the Eurostar means to the French during the pandemic. Because the seat is in the UK, they don't really care about it, even though SNCF is the majority owner.
@@nielskut2256 That wasn't the main issue, the main issue was that the UK government insisted on having airport-style checks and dedicated platforms at every single station with service to London. This isn't possible at stations like Cologne, and they refused to do on-board checks like it was done before Schengen in continental Europe. This unnecessary policy didn't just kill off DB services to London, but also the Regional Eurostar (Paris bound services from other UK cities) and the Nightstar (night trains to farther destinations).
@@mikeblatzheim2797 Instead we got the new class e320 Velaros, so in the end the Germans got their trains sold to them anyways :P And services extended to Amsterdam.
I was a Chicagoan visiting Germany in summer 2018. I was supper surprised at the number of ICE 1, and ICE 2 I saw in Germany, and road on! and how many of them had been graffiti on! lol Train sets at Hamburg and Cologne seemed to have the most. I must have been on a ICE 3 witch I thought was a ICE 4 (cause it seemed so new and nice) From Munich to Cologne cause we traveled at 300Km/h in two different sections! Best trip ever Rail passes are the best!!!
If you love the German rail the best experience I can recommend is taking ICE between Stutgart and Paris. This is because that rail line is specifically designed for the Highspeed TGVs which means the railways are highly maintained. Its a super smooth and comfortable ride through the german and french country sides at over 300 kmh for large portions. That being said I know what you mean. I live in the USA but I have family in germany so I vist often. The ICES are just the best to ride in with their high speeds and solid comfort they provide.
Hamburg has a huge Graffiti and other Vandalism Problem. There are a few "Gangs" competing on who can cause the most (as in most expensive) Property Damage, so they not only spray but do all sorts of Damage to Trains. Around Hamburg, fixing Vandalism Damages on Trains costs over 3 Million Euro per Year, and that doesn't even include the Cost of Trains being not available. I live in Flensburg, and it's fairly normal that the Schedule of the Train to Hamburg is disrupted because there are not enough Trains available as some have been vandalised again.
It didn't occur to me that that is a thing in Europe. Since the shinkansen in Japan are adored by most citizens, I cannot comprehend the possibility of them being vandalized.
Some more things worth mentioning: - Class 401 ICE 1 trainsets are going through another modernization process right now. The sets will be shortened to 8 cars since many cars are showing signs of age and aren't suitable for another restoration. The newly modernized sets will primarily serve former IC routes. - Class 605 ICE-TD (the diesel ICE) sets were riddled with multiple problems throughout their live and never as successful as initially hoped. After the original plans of using them on non-electrified lines didn't turn out as promissed, they were only sporadically used for additional weekend or charter services (e.g. during the football world championship in 2006) and else just stored due to lack of useability. The only line they served reliably for a couple of years until 2018 was the Hamburg - Copenhagen route using the train ferry. On top of that they were also fairly high maintenance due to the tilting technology, which made them overall very uneconomic to use. Most train sets therefore were scrapped within the last 1-3 years despite their relatively young age. - New class 408, which will be another iteration of the ICE 3 family, essentially an updated version of class 407 with some other minor tweaks here and there (more doors for example). The first train sets are already completed and will undergo testing soon. Regular service is scheduled for late 2022. - Although they were originally not meant to be used as such, the push-pull train sets of former business express train "Metropolitan" were also mainly used as ICE trains. With a rather luxurious interior and a unique design, a mix of elements from ICE and classic IC push-pull train cars hauled by class 101 locos specifically adjusted for these sets and originally painted in a futuristic silver-grey livery, they were a rather exotic appearance on German rails, also because only two seven car units were ever produced. In fact only a week ago they were officially phased out from the main fleet and brought to the longterm rolling stock storage in Mukran on the island of Rügen.
I think that DB realized that they are going into a wrong direction with ICE 4 and therefore I am really curious to see the new ICE 5 which sounds extremely promising and a real step forward. It was not yet covered in this video but the concept of the new train by Siemens seems to be very much advanced.
I have one thing to add: Siemens is Currently in development of the next gen ICE, the ICE 5 or "Velaro Novo" with an max. Speed of up to 360 km/h and a fully modular design. DB ordered 40 until 2026 10 for 2023 and 30 for 2026.
Which will be probably the max. actual speed of this model in real traffic? Does the high Max. Speed change anything for the travelers in the next decade?
@@PianistStefanBoetel Probably not. The limitation here are the tracks. Besides the original Cologne - Frankfurt line as far as i can see on Wikipedia only parts of the VDE8 Erfurt - Halle - Leipzig are ready for a top speed of 300 km/h. Other lines are planned to be upgraded to 300 km/h but most lines have a top speed of 200 or 230 km/h. As long as the ICE in germany have to stop at nearly every city this is makes sense as the distances are short. What we need are 4 sprinter lines crossing the country from north to south and west to east to really take advantage of high top speeds.
@@michaeloreilly657 With visualizing the amount of cars you got me. That's crazy! If we conservatively say that about 50% of cars have only 1 person in it, and the rest of them around 2 people - that would be 750 cars on average. Visualize 750 cars, and then one ICE train :D
@@michaeloreilly657 Hyperloop is a silly unproven concept. Should never be compared to anything when even prototypes haven't managed to reach anywhere near the speed/promises of Charlatan Musk..
Realistically, it can be 3000 People and more on busy Days. German Trains are insanely crowded. They are allowed to carry up to four People standing per Square Meter, and it can happen that the Trains won't depart unless a few hundred Passengers leave because they exceeded that Limit. You get half your Money back if you happen to be one of those unlucky Passengers.
you almost always say IC instead of ICE. Those do also exist but are not the same. They have for example a maximum speed of only up to 200km/h and (the most common IC1) are pulled/pushed by a locomotive. the ICEs (Inter City Expresses) were develloped as the "express" version of the ICs (Inter Citys). thats also where the name "ICE" origins
Correct, that is, the prototype was referred to as the ICE where E stood for "Experimental" (as in this video), but the production trains put in service were indeed with the E meaning "Express''
As someone with family in Germany I absolutley love the ICE. Its fast, reliable and extremly comfortable. I have never had a bad ICE experience my only wish is that the USA woulld have such a system.
@@l3p3 I would love for that but I doubt it. The USA just isnt willing to properly finance rail in the way necessary to build highspeed plus our settlement patterns are so bad as to make construction of rail nearly impossible.
ICE 1 cannot indeed come to Belgium, France, and the Netherlands. But this is not because of "incompatible signaling systems" as you said, but just because ICE 1 trains can only use 15 kV 16.7 Hz power supply.
I liked the video, you did an amazing job at researching everything but you completely forgot the new ICE L trains currently in development with Talgo. These will be the first low-floor ICE trains.
@@Marcus_Oelschlegel Of course they are ICE trains. There is a simple standard for ICE trains. ICE trains are trains that DB calls ICE, and the previously named ECx is an ICE, as confirmed by DB.
@@MattiBlume No! The ICE4 replaces some IC/EC trains, but is not an IC. All ICE today are multiple unit trains. The ICE L is not. It´s just a push & pull train! So that´s the difference between all ICE and the ICE L. I suppose they only use the ICE label to sell tickets at higher prices.
Great video. One addition, since you are talking about the export of train sets to other countries. Since 2015, a total of 19 Velaro (ICE3) train sets were also exported to Turkey, and 18 of them are operating at up to 250km/h between Istanbul-Ankara and Ankara-Konya. One of the Velaro TR locomotives was unfortunately destroyed when colliding head-on with another locomotive inspecting the track, This happened in the vicinity of Ankara with a death toll of 9,
In the UK the British Rail High Speed Train (Diesel Electric - 125 mph service running - 143 mph record speed) , suffered early on with what was deemed to be poor riding. One of the solutions looked at and then rejected due to concerns over the longevity and tyre failure, was the solution applied by the team with the ICE train. In the end a number of alterations improved the ride considerably; that said it was not travelling at ICE speeds.
Siemens Velaro sets are also used in Turkey's YHT (Yüksek Hızlı Tren, High Speed Train) lines.
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16:20 Funny details, the 13 cars EMU can only reach 250 km/h at the moment, but 20 of the 50 EMU with 12 cars can now reach up to 265 km/h. They have the newest Software version.
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@@IroAppe the three differences easyest to spot are the panthographs, the doors and the location of the 3rd headlight. ICE T units have the Pantograph on the first car, ICE 3 units on the second. The doors of the ICE 3 are, exept of the diningcar and the two front cars, symmetric on the end of every car. The doors of the ICE T instead are asymmetrical and often in the middle of the car. Last but not least the 3rd headlight. It's location is above the windscreen on the ICE T and below on the ICE 3.
Thanks for the great content. As an avid german train passenger, I learn a lot here. If you are here, let us know I am happy to buy a beer, coffee or twix in our lovely bord bistros
That's a good news for Us I think, so we can reach any major cities and other countries around Germany by riding ICE _high speed_ train easily and cheaperly I hope ? Amazing bro !!!
"It's maximum grade is only 4 permille." 4 permille is a lot for a main line. If I am correct, it is one of the highest grade in the World for a high speed line.
You're not correct. 4 permille is a lot for a regular mainline, but high speed lines can be ten times steeper. Many French lines are and also stretches of Cologne - Frankfurt. The power to weight ratio of high speed trains allows for suches grades.
A reason for the lack of 300 km/h capability on ICE 4 trains is the organization of the german rail network. Most tracks are mixed use and are, at most, upgraded to 250 km/h. Therefore the higher cost of a higher top speed was not feasible for most trains. There are, however, new ICE's being built on the platform of the ICE 3 that can reach 300 km/h. On the routes which are solely build for HSR they will be used, probably under the name ICE Sprinter, which are express connections.
Trains for 320 km/h are way more expensive, because European train safety regulations are divided into several speed categories. Above 250 km/h the trains have to be much sturdier.
In 1980 several members of BR's Class 86/0 25kV electric locomotives were fitted with similar wheels to the ICE1 coaches for a similar reason becoming Class 86/3. These locomotives weigh 82,000kg and can run at 161km/h on 1.15m diameter wheels. By the end of the 1980s and with no major incidents related to the wheel sets they were refitted with monobliv wheel sets and flexicoil suspensi8n and reclassified to Class 86/4. Yes, the wheels on the ICE 1 coaches are smaller, with diameter of 0.92m, and will rotate faster when at the same speed as the Class 86/2 they do carry a lighter load their fatigue loadings will be higher. With Germany's reputation for engineering excellence I just don't understand how they failed to realise that any damage to the tyre was enough to ground each set for wheel set replacement.
Although it was mentioned for later versions, the obvious reason ICE 1 could not work in France etc. was the different power supply. I would also question whether trains can operate at full speed on 1.5 kV as implied in the commentary. Current required would be massive.
Funfact: It was originally planned to upgrade some of the ICE 2 for international travel to F/B/NL but that ended up not happening because it would not have been able to make it over the grades on the lines it would have been travelling on then
I'm Chinese studying in Germany. I prefer the ICE1/2/TGV Duplex the most, then the ICE 3 BR403/406 with old interiors. I don't like the new ICE 3/4, the worst seats ever on a modern high speed train. And the price/speed/reliability are all dominated by China Railway high speed service. To be fair the service from DB Fernverkehr and the confiniece of transfer are generally satisfying (if you don't catch the delays or cancellations), but I still miss my hometown so much every time I travel with DB Fernverkehr (long distance)
Yeah, China had the advantage of developing it's rail system from scratch while in Germany a lot of lines are still following the original routes from the 19th century. Plus the Chinese high speed rail system doesn't have to be profitable as the central government covers the roughly 1 million US-Dollar in losses per day. But I am optimistic that the DB will get the situation under control as they are a lot of investments on the way. But this will take another decade :)
@@derriegel5705 Weak railway infrastructure contains too much transport demands, that's the biggest reason of the embarrassing situation for Deutsche Bahn. The Germans need more support from the government side to match up their rails and trains, China Railway needs to learn the experience from the European and Japanese of how to make the rail system more flexible and efficient under existing conditions...
2:23 The class 403 (the 1970s Intercity, not the ICE3) had no power cars but all cars (incl. intermediate class 404 without cabs) were powered individually with all axles powered. Hence this type of train was no factor in the decision to go with power cars at each end a la TGV.
@@nicolasblume1046 It’s enough for the lines they’re operating on. ICE 3 or BR 403, 406, 407 and soon the BR 408 which were ordered are all capable of 300 km/h+ and these are the trains that are operating on the 300 km/h+ lines. It doesn’t make economical sense to order trains that can go 300 km/h+ and then operating them on lines that have speed limits of 200 km/h to 250 km/h.
@@timhp8 in 20 years almost all ICE lines will have at least one 300km/h section as part of their journey. For example there will be such a line between Hannover and Bielefeld, so the Cologne - Berlin would also need faster trains. There will be very few lines that dont have 300km/h sections
5:45 Minor note: where and when was that Clip with the trams filmed? Let's collect the Information from the Clip: - The vehicle on the right is a DUEWAG Pre-Metro Car Type B (known in german as Stadtbahnwagen Typ B, B-Wagen for short). - Judging from the paint job and the shape of the headlights we can confirm that it is one of the B-Wagen that were produced for the Düsseldorf Stadtbahn network. - Further more, the shape of the current collector and the edges of the roof tell us that this is one Of the first dozen of B-Wagen made for Düsseldorf (numbered 4001 to 4012). - The other vehicle is a DUEWAG Tram Car Type M/N. Judging from the paint Job this unit belonged to the Mülheim/Oberhausen Tramway network at the time of filming. - What makes this even more odd is that both vehicles operate under different gauges: the B-Wagen on standard gauge, the M/N Wagen (at least the ones on the Mülheim/Oberhausen network) on metre gauge. EDIT: Okay, just discovered something: that M/N Wagen does NOT belong to the Mülheim/Oberhausen tram network, but rather the Krefeld Tram network. The reason I didn't notice that earlier is the fact that all Krefeld trams have since been repainted in a white and red coat of paint.
Karelian Trains class Sm6, used in Allegro service between Helsinki and St. Petersburg also has an active vibration detection on the bogies. Not sure if that is completely similar to the ones on ICE 2, but still not a unique feature nevertheless.
Despite traveling a lot on the ICE, I still never had the luck on getting an ICE 4 trainset. Most of the time I get an ICE 1 or ICE 2. Occasionally the ICE T when traveling southeast to Würzburg, Nürnberg and beyond and ICE 3 when traveling between Frankfurt and Cologne.
I do realise my comment may get skipped in all other comments, but could you please make an episode on Polish Railways? I happen to work for them and I'm curious of what you'd say and how it'd relate to what I see daily at work and experience as a customer of the Polish State Railways
I have ICE1, ICE2 and ICE3 models in HO scale. I have one set of ICE1 and one set of ICE2 with a pink band below the red band on the side of the coach below the windows. Would appreciate if someone can tell the difference between a red and pink band coach / train and a red band only coach / train Thanks for this video. Gave lot of information...........
HUGE Mistake: You showed clips with ICE T while talking about the ICE3. Also ICE T aren't as similar to the ICE3 as said and I didn't really heard the difference between 411 and 415 (5/7 Car train)
did you know three train sets were ordererd by the NS (nederlandse spoorwegen) for NS HIspeed ( now NS international) for services between amsterdam and frankfurt?
Eschede is pronounced very differently. Meaning it is very not known as the Iksiede incident ;) also four per mille would mean 4m for 1000, wouldn't it?
@@MrGollum27 to be fair, I don't care about the accent, it's heavy but whatever, it's great content and that's important, but from time to time it would be nice if the cared a little bit more about the pronunciation. Bombardaaaa is cute, a town where people died seems more callous.
@@RailwaysExplained thanks for the answer! I really like your videos and tbh my accent would be similarly noticeable, you are doing great content and I hope for lots of videos more!
13:17 Russian "Sapsan" рas 2 variations : ''EVS1'' - for 3.3kV DC and ''EVS2'' for 3300V DC and 27.5kV AC 50Hz. These trains have a completely redesigned traction scheme, so their sounds are completely different compared to the trains of the ICE series.
Wow, like the TGV, I never knew how big the ICE family was. Very well done. I learned more than I thought I would.
As a regular ICE passenger I can tell you that the ICE1 and ICE2 are the most popular trainsets. All ICE4 and many ICE3 have newer seats which are way more uncomfortable than the old ones (even though DB claims to have fixed the issue). ICE1 and ICE2 are still sporting older, better padded, reclinable seats, which are much more comfortable! I'm kinda horrified by the thought that I have to endure the ICE4 seats over the next thirty years once the ICE1 and 2 are gone!
The seats are being replaced by better ones in this very moment. But it will take some time to change tens of thousands of chairs.
@@hape3862 Even the better ones are still shit since they still don't recline.
I wonder if there is an ICE train tracker online that doesn't find the train service numbers, but the types of trains running on the lines.
I personally favour the ICE 3 with their first set of seats. These were the best seats and the best designed trains so far. The seats that they built into the second class of these trains are the same as the ones they built into the first class coaches of the ÖBB RailJet. The Interieur with the wood, the aforementioned comfortable seats and the warm indirect are almost cozy. And the trains themselves are simply beautiful. In fact, the DB referes to their design in many ads and pictograms, even though SIEMENS sold very similiar looking trains to Spain, China and Russian. And though they were designed 25 years ago, they still look futuristic and fast. That said, I too don't like what the DB is up for with these trains: The refurbishment that is happening right now kind of ruins it for me. Especially the new seats are so much of a downgrade.
I understand the concept behind the ICE 4: These trains are built to increase capacity and to reduce energy consumption of the trains. But for someone who is 1,93 m (6'4'') the seats are too close to each other. And there is more than one row per coach that does not enjoy a window but is entirly seated next to plastic panel. While the ICE 3 before the refurbishment gives you the feeling that you are invited in to the living room, the ICE 4 makes you feel like you are seated in a dentist's waiting room.
I'm going to miss the 6 seat compartments for sure! Great travel comfort, even in 2nd class (2. Klasse).
I just want to add:
The current Eurostar trainsets are similar to ICE class 407. And DB drove a test Service of its ICE3M to London back in 2010. But after the Brexit referendum this project has been canceled. They had planned to operate services from Frankfurt to London. ICE3M and 407 should have been licenced to Eurotunnel.
It hadnt been cancelled because of Brexit but because the French and British didn't want competition for Eurostar. They cranked the cost for other trains to use to track up so high that is wasn't economically viable.
@@nielskut2256 yes, that was one of the problems, but unsolvable, . But brexit was one of the last nails in the coffin. Brexit means less travelers, even higher operating costs. And you can see how much the Eurostar means to the French during the pandemic. Because the seat is in the UK, they don't really care about it, even though SNCF is the majority owner.
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That wasn't the main issue, the main issue was that the UK government insisted on having airport-style checks and dedicated platforms at every single station with service to London. This isn't possible at stations like Cologne, and they refused to do on-board checks like it was done before Schengen in continental Europe. This unnecessary policy didn't just kill off DB services to London, but also the Regional Eurostar (Paris bound services from other UK cities) and the Nightstar (night trains to farther destinations).
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@@mikeblatzheim2797 Instead we got the new class e320 Velaros, so in the end the Germans got their trains sold to them anyways :P And services extended to Amsterdam.
I was a Chicagoan visiting Germany in summer 2018. I was supper surprised at the number of ICE 1, and ICE 2 I saw in Germany, and road on! and how many of them had been graffiti on! lol Train sets at Hamburg and Cologne seemed to have the most. I must have been on a ICE 3 witch I thought was a ICE 4 (cause it seemed so new and nice) From Munich to Cologne cause we traveled at 300Km/h in two different sections! Best trip ever Rail passes are the best!!!
The ICE 3 is nicer than the ICE 4: more spacious and faster.
If you love the German rail the best experience I can recommend is taking ICE between Stutgart and Paris. This is because that rail line is specifically designed for the Highspeed TGVs which means the railways are highly maintained. Its a super smooth and comfortable ride through the german and french country sides at over 300 kmh for large portions. That being said I know what you mean. I live in the USA but I have family in germany so I vist often. The ICES are just the best to ride in with their high speeds and solid comfort they provide.
Hamburg has a huge Graffiti and other Vandalism Problem. There are a few "Gangs" competing on who can cause the most (as in most expensive) Property Damage, so they not only spray but do all sorts of Damage to Trains. Around Hamburg, fixing Vandalism Damages on Trains costs over 3 Million Euro per Year, and that doesn't even include the Cost of Trains being not available. I live in Flensburg, and it's fairly normal that the Schedule of the Train to Hamburg is disrupted because there are not enough Trains available as some have been vandalised again.
It didn't occur to me that that is a thing in Europe. Since the shinkansen in Japan are adored by most citizens, I cannot comprehend the possibility of them being vandalized.
Some more things worth mentioning:
- Class 401 ICE 1 trainsets are going through another modernization process right now. The sets will be shortened to 8 cars since many cars are showing signs of age and aren't suitable for another restoration. The newly modernized sets will primarily serve former IC routes.
- Class 605 ICE-TD (the diesel ICE) sets were riddled with multiple problems throughout their live and never as successful as initially hoped. After the original plans of using them on non-electrified lines didn't turn out as promissed, they were only sporadically used for additional weekend or charter services (e.g. during the football world championship in 2006) and else just stored due to lack of useability. The only line they served reliably for a couple of years until 2018 was the Hamburg - Copenhagen route using the train ferry. On top of that they were also fairly high maintenance due to the tilting technology, which made them overall very uneconomic to use. Most train sets therefore were scrapped within the last 1-3 years despite their relatively young age.
- New class 408, which will be another iteration of the ICE 3 family, essentially an updated version of class 407 with some other minor tweaks here and there (more doors for example). The first train sets are already completed and will undergo testing soon. Regular service is scheduled for late 2022.
- Although they were originally not meant to be used as such, the push-pull train sets of former business express train "Metropolitan" were also mainly used as ICE trains. With a rather luxurious interior and a unique design, a mix of elements from ICE and classic IC push-pull train cars hauled by class 101 locos specifically adjusted for these sets and originally painted in a futuristic silver-grey livery, they were a rather exotic appearance on German rails, also because only two seven car units were ever produced. In fact only a week ago they were officially phased out from the main fleet and brought to the longterm rolling stock storage in Mukran on the island of Rügen.
thank you for sharing your thoughts!
And the DB ordert new ICE 3 Trains brandet DB Barheie 408
I think that DB realized that they are going into a wrong direction with ICE 4 and therefore I am really curious to see the new ICE 5 which sounds extremely promising and a real step forward.
It was not yet covered in this video but the concept of the new train by Siemens seems to be very much advanced.
Le train c'est bonne
Agreed. I mean i WANT to like the 4, I just. Can't.
I have one thing to add: Siemens is Currently in development of the next gen ICE, the ICE 5 or "Velaro Novo" with an max. Speed of up to 360 km/h and a fully modular design. DB ordered 40 until 2026 10 for 2023 and 30 for 2026.
I think a part of the order was just an updated Version of the Velaro D.
The velaro Novo will follow later
Which will be probably the max. actual speed of this model in real traffic? Does the high Max. Speed change anything for the travelers in the next decade?
@@PianistStefanBoetel Probably not. The limitation here are the tracks. Besides the original Cologne - Frankfurt line as far as i can see on Wikipedia only parts of the VDE8 Erfurt - Halle - Leipzig are ready for a top speed of 300 km/h.
Other lines are planned to be upgraded to 300 km/h but most lines have a top speed of 200 or 230 km/h. As long as the ICE in germany have to stop at nearly every city this is makes sense as the distances are short. What we need are 4 sprinter lines crossing the country from north to south and west to east to really take advantage of high top speeds.
No, the Velaro Novo is still not ordered by DB, what DB ordered us the ICE3 Neo (Br408, similar to the Velaro D).
That's wrong. DB ordered 30 train sets Velaro MS (408) similar to Velaro D (407) last year
This must have been the first time ever on TH-cam when watching the 'sponsor' bit was actually interesting. Cool stuff they make :)
great to have such a cool sponsor! Very insightful. Thank you
I love foreigners pronouncing German places like "Eschede" or the Canadian company "Bombardier" which is french.
"Bombardaaah"
Enschede is a city in the Netherlands?
@@Arik-2103 Enschede is a city in the Netherlands, indeed. Eschede, however, is a village near Celle, in Northern Germany.
@@pocketdynamo5787 my bad! I thought you said Enschede rather than Eschede
@@Arik-2103 Well, Enschede is certainly more important. Eschede is only known for said ICE accident.
Wow that's crazy. I never realized, that one ICE train can carry almost 1000 people! In one train. Wow, that's quite a lot of people inside a train.
That's about 3 Boeing 777s or 250 - 1000 cars on an Autobahn or HyperLoop.
@@michaeloreilly657 With visualizing the amount of cars you got me. That's crazy! If we conservatively say that about 50% of cars have only 1 person in it, and the rest of them around 2 people - that would be 750 cars on average.
Visualize 750 cars, and then one ICE train :D
Its surprisingly isnt that many considering standar economy car on normal train can fit more than 200 people
Again, one car, not one train
@@michaeloreilly657 Hyperloop is a silly unproven concept. Should never be compared to anything when even prototypes haven't managed to reach anywhere near the speed/promises of Charlatan Musk..
Realistically, it can be 3000 People and more on busy Days. German Trains are insanely crowded. They are allowed to carry up to four People standing per Square Meter, and it can happen that the Trains won't depart unless a few hundred Passengers leave because they exceeded that Limit. You get half your Money back if you happen to be one of those unlucky Passengers.
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you almost always say IC instead of ICE. Those do also exist but are not the same. They have for example a maximum speed of only up to 200km/h and (the most common IC1) are pulled/pushed by a locomotive. the ICEs (Inter City Expresses) were develloped as the "express" version of the ICs (Inter Citys). thats also where the name "ICE" origins
Maybe the "e" in "ice" somehow ends up silent, unintentionally, but of course, it is ICE..
Correct, that is, the prototype was referred to as the ICE where E stood for "Experimental" (as in this video), but the production trains put in service were indeed with the E meaning "Express''
ICE 1 (BR 401) was not only produced by Siemens. It was manufactured by several German industrial companies like Krupp, Krauss-Maffei, AEG,…
Weren't they all sub-contacctors with Siemens as the lead contractor?
@@neiloflongbeck5705 That's right ❗
As someone with family in Germany I absolutley love the ICE. Its fast, reliable and extremly comfortable. I have never had a bad ICE experience my only wish is that the USA woulld have such a system.
They almost had. It is still possible that there will be German trains in the US...
@@l3p3 I would love for that but I doubt it. The USA just isnt willing to properly finance rail in the way necessary to build highspeed plus our settlement patterns are so bad as to make construction of rail nearly impossible.
@@reaperking2121 Private Investors in California might make it possible. Stay tuned!
@@jonasgun if the US does get high speed rail, it definitely won’t be in California.
@@remaks8405 they fell for elons scams
Please note that you showed the class 411 and 415 (ICE T) several times when talking about the class 403
ICE 1 cannot indeed come to Belgium, France, and the Netherlands. But this is not because of "incompatible signaling systems" as you said, but just because ICE 1 trains can only use 15 kV 16.7 Hz power supply.
This is a really great video. Thank you. I have regularly ridden on the ICE when I go on holiday in Germany.
Very gold pronounciation of each german word/expression 👍
I liked the video, you did an amazing job at researching everything but you completely forgot the new ICE L trains currently in development with Talgo. These will be the first low-floor ICE trains.
May be, but they are not really ICE trains. They are more an EC or similar to an Austrian Railjet.
@@Marcus_Oelschlegel Of course they are ICE trains. There is a simple standard for ICE trains. ICE trains are trains that DB calls ICE, and the previously named ECx is an ICE, as confirmed by DB.
@@Marcus_Oelschlegel The ICE 4 was supposed to be an IC as well. But here we are.
@@MattiBlume No! The ICE4 replaces some IC/EC trains, but is not an IC. All ICE today are multiple unit trains. The ICE L is not. It´s just a push & pull train! So that´s the difference between all ICE and the ICE L. I suppose they only use the ICE label to sell tickets at higher prices.
@@Marcus_Oelschlegel that's what I wrote: "Was" (past tense).
Great video. One addition, since you are talking about the export of train sets to other countries. Since 2015, a total of 19 Velaro (ICE3) train sets were also exported to Turkey, and 18 of them are operating at up to 250km/h between Istanbul-Ankara and Ankara-Konya. One of the Velaro TR locomotives was unfortunately destroyed when colliding head-on with another locomotive inspecting the track, This happened in the vicinity of Ankara with a death toll of 9,
In the UK the British Rail High Speed Train (Diesel Electric - 125 mph service running - 143 mph record speed) , suffered early on with what was deemed to be poor riding. One of the solutions looked at and then rejected due to concerns over the longevity and tyre failure, was the solution applied by the team with the ICE train.
In the end a number of alterations improved the ride considerably; that said it was not travelling at ICE speeds.
Siemens Velaro sets are also used in Turkey's YHT (Yüksek Hızlı Tren, High Speed Train) lines.
16:20 Funny details, the 13 cars EMU can only reach 250 km/h at the moment, but 20 of the 50 EMU with 12 cars can now reach up to 265 km/h. They have the newest Software version.
Fun fact: Only those train sets that are already out of warranty will get the update.
both the 12 and 13 car ICE 4's now can go 265km/h. 7 car ICE 4's only go 250km/h
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In your part about the ice 3 you often show videos with the ice T in it like at 11:20
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yeah i noticed that too.
I also always confuse them. They are so similar looking. How do you tell them apart?
@@IroAppe the three differences easyest to spot are the panthographs, the doors and the location of the 3rd headlight.
ICE T units have the Pantograph on the first car, ICE 3 units on the second.
The doors of the ICE 3 are, exept of the diningcar and the two front cars, symmetric on the end of every car.
The doors of the ICE T instead are asymmetrical and often in the middle of the car.
Last but not least the 3rd headlight.
It's location is above the windscreen on the ICE T and below on the ICE 3.
I lived in Germany for five years. Best place I have ever lived!
Turkey also operates ice3 on its highspeed lines :)
Thanks for the great content. As an avid german train passenger, I learn a lot here. If you are here, let us know I am happy to buy a beer, coffee or twix in our lovely bord bistros
Thanks, we'll call you when we're in Germany. Beer is fine 😁
@@RailwaysExplained good choice. the coffee keeps you awake thats all
Amazing!!! 👍
Thanks for sharing from Indonesian railfans
Glad you enjoyed 🙂
Cool sponsor, I'll think of HARTING next time I buy a set of trains :)
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Went from „i'm glad i stayed up late for this this is a treat“ to ICE lore
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That's a good news for Us I think, so we can reach any major cities and other countries around Germany by riding ICE _high speed_ train easily and cheaperly I hope ? Amazing bro !!!
"It's maximum grade is only 4 permille." 4 permille is a lot for a main line. If I am correct, it is one of the highest grade in the World for a high speed line.
You're not correct. 4 permille is a lot for a regular mainline, but high speed lines can be ten times steeper. Many French lines are and also stretches of Cologne - Frankfurt. The power to weight ratio of high speed trains allows for suches grades.
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The Power Car concept for the ICE 4 is unique in World, not even Japan or China uses this brand new concept
Yeah mainly because it’s inferior to Japanese or Chinese design due to what they value more than speed or acceleration. Distributed traction for life
The way you say Bombardier is just weird 😆
thank you, i was just making my own high speed rail system but stil needed some thing for data, signals, and power.
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Thank you again for the wonderful videos and information.
Awesome video I've been wondering about the ICE trains since i came to Germany. But holy heck that BombarDAAH killed me xD
one thing i do not understand is why ice 4 does not do speeds like 320km/h ?
is there a reason for that?
A reason for the lack of 300 km/h capability on ICE 4 trains is the organization of the german rail network. Most tracks are mixed use and are, at most, upgraded to 250 km/h. Therefore the higher cost of a higher top speed was not feasible for most trains. There are, however, new ICE's being built on the platform of the ICE 3 that can reach 300 km/h. On the routes which are solely build for HSR they will be used, probably under the name ICE Sprinter, which are express connections.
@@konrad2607 seams logical
@@lpt2606 but DB realized that sometimes 250 km/h is too slow. That's why the Vmax will be upgraded to 265 km/h.
@@flecken The timetables are still made for 250 kph. The 15 kph extra are intended to reduce delays and are not included in the timetable.
Trains for 320 km/h are way more expensive, because European train safety regulations are divided into several speed categories. Above 250 km/h the trains have to be much sturdier.
5:20 its smooth, quiet and an altogether delightfull experience
5:55 wow, I didn't know that even though I live in Bochum! :D
In 1980 several members of BR's Class 86/0 25kV electric locomotives were fitted with similar wheels to the ICE1 coaches for a similar reason becoming Class 86/3. These locomotives weigh 82,000kg and can run at 161km/h on 1.15m diameter wheels. By the end of the 1980s and with no major incidents related to the wheel sets they were refitted with monobliv wheel sets and flexicoil suspensi8n and reclassified to Class 86/4. Yes, the wheels on the ICE 1 coaches are smaller, with diameter of 0.92m, and will rotate faster when at the same speed as the Class 86/2 they do carry a lighter load their fatigue loadings will be higher. With Germany's reputation for engineering excellence I just don't understand how they failed to realise that any damage to the tyre was enough to ground each set for wheel set replacement.
Spain wasn't the first to order Velaro trains, the ICE 3 (403, 406) are the base model of the Velaro and were ordered earlier
WOW! This was so cool and impressive!
Danke. Sehr gutes Video
Although it was mentioned for later versions, the obvious reason ICE 1 could not work in France etc. was the different power supply. I would also question whether trains can operate at full speed on 1.5 kV as implied in the commentary. Current required would be massive.
Here we have a common thing at 1,5Kv DC you can only run max at 200 km/h and we just accept that. So for lines we want to go faster we use 25Kv AC
10:10 there is a minor error. The ICE 2 Redesign was between 2011 and 2014, not between 2005 and 2008 (the values for ICE1).
Funfact: It was originally planned to upgrade some of the ICE 2 for international travel to F/B/NL but that ended up not happening because it would not have been able to make it over the grades on the lines it would have been travelling on then
Mantap-mantap banget desain keretanya.. .
I'm Chinese studying in Germany. I prefer the ICE1/2/TGV Duplex the most, then the ICE 3 BR403/406 with old interiors. I don't like the new ICE 3/4, the worst seats ever on a modern high speed train. And the price/speed/reliability are all dominated by China Railway high speed service. To be fair the service from DB Fernverkehr and the confiniece of transfer are generally satisfying (if you don't catch the delays or cancellations), but I still miss my hometown so much every time I travel with DB Fernverkehr (long distance)
Yeah, China had the advantage of developing it's rail system from scratch while in Germany a lot of lines are still following the original routes from the 19th century. Plus the Chinese high speed rail system doesn't have to be profitable as the central government covers the roughly 1 million US-Dollar in losses per day.
But I am optimistic that the DB will get the situation under control as they are a lot of investments on the way. But this will take another decade :)
@@derriegel5705 Weak railway infrastructure contains too much transport demands, that's the biggest reason of the embarrassing situation for Deutsche Bahn. The Germans need more support from the government side to match up their rails and trains, China Railway needs to learn the experience from the European and Japanese of how to make the rail system more flexible and efficient under existing conditions...
Great vid. I enjoyed this one. Thanks a lot👍😊
Interesting to see is that ICE T doesn´t have the most amount of trains among the ICE fleet but the largest network of operation
to the accident. it's not true that the cracks in the wheel weren't discovered. They got discovered a day before but the wheels didn't got changed.
Not the Cracks themselves, but the fact that those wheels were worn down more than allowed.
I live in Germany since 2 years and I can say without a doubt that Germany has the *BEST* Railway network and Trains in Europe!
You must be delusional.
2:23 The class 403 (the 1970s Intercity, not the ICE3) had no power cars but all cars (incl. intermediate class 404 without cabs) were powered individually with all axles powered. Hence this type of train was no factor in the decision to go with power cars at each end a la TGV.
11:19
This isn't the ICE 3 (Class 406/406), it's the ICE-T (Class 411/415) and the ICE-T goes only 230 km/h max.
Now I know where LEGO got the design for their old, passenger train sets.
1:43 czech republic 2021: *still just thinking about highspeed rail *
Bravo, muchas gracias por tan interesante video.
very well explained. thanks
I think the real icon of ICE Train is ICE3, despite they also can be found on different brand in another countries.
It looks better too.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Velaro D (class 407) is the best by far in my opinion. Very modern, but also capable of 320km/h operation.
The ICE 4 is just too slow!
ICE 4 gets a software update that makes them capable of 265 kph. Still slower than the others, but a little faster.
@@blubberdignubber yeah, not enough. several new 300km/h lines are planned
@@nicolasblume1046 It’s enough for the lines they’re operating on. ICE 3 or BR 403, 406, 407 and soon the BR 408 which were ordered are all capable of 300 km/h+ and these are the trains that are operating on the 300 km/h+ lines. It doesn’t make economical sense to order trains that can go 300 km/h+ and then operating them on lines that have speed limits of 200 km/h to 250 km/h.
@@timhp8 in 20 years almost all ICE lines will have at least one 300km/h section as part of their journey. For example there will be such a line between Hannover and Bielefeld, so the Cologne - Berlin would also need faster trains.
There will be very few lines that dont have 300km/h sections
The interior is worse too on the ICE 4.
You are way more educated in trains then most of us Germans 😂
5:45 Minor note: where and when was that Clip with the trams filmed? Let's collect the Information from the Clip:
- The vehicle on the right is a DUEWAG Pre-Metro Car Type B (known in german as Stadtbahnwagen Typ B, B-Wagen for short).
- Judging from the paint job and the shape of the headlights we can confirm that it is one of the B-Wagen that were produced for the Düsseldorf Stadtbahn network.
- Further more, the shape of the current collector and the edges of the roof tell us that this is one Of the first dozen of B-Wagen made for Düsseldorf (numbered 4001 to 4012).
- The other vehicle is a DUEWAG Tram Car Type M/N. Judging from the paint Job this unit belonged to the Mülheim/Oberhausen Tramway network at the time of filming.
- What makes this even more odd is that both vehicles operate under different gauges: the B-Wagen on standard gauge, the M/N Wagen (at least the ones on the Mülheim/Oberhausen network) on metre gauge.
EDIT: Okay, just discovered something: that M/N Wagen does NOT belong to the Mülheim/Oberhausen tram network, but rather the Krefeld Tram network. The reason I didn't notice that earlier is the fact that all Krefeld trams have since been repainted in a white and red coat of paint.
Karelian Trains class Sm6, used in Allegro service between Helsinki and St. Petersburg also has an active vibration detection on the bogies. Not sure if that is completely similar to the ones on ICE 2, but still not a unique feature nevertheless.
...and in fact, VR Class Sm3 "Pendolino" has similar system also. So probably every type of Pendolino family has it.
Despite traveling a lot on the ICE, I still never had the luck on getting an ICE 4 trainset. Most of the time I get an ICE 1 or ICE 2. Occasionally the ICE T when traveling southeast to Würzburg, Nürnberg and beyond and ICE 3 when traveling between Frankfurt and Cologne.
You can consider yourself lucky then. ICE1 are the most comfortable to ride on by far.
No, you are lucky. The ICE 4 is the worst so far.
How did you know that it was an ICE 1?
@@remaks8405 They have that "Hump" on the Cafeteria Car. Except for that, ICE 1 and ICE 2 are pretty similar.
@@remaks8405 the 2 also has only one loco and different seats
Would love to see a video about the IC trains because those are the ones I use the most
Nice video!
I do realise my comment may get skipped in all other comments, but could you please make an episode on Polish Railways? I happen to work for them and I'm curious of what you'd say and how it'd relate to what I see daily at work and experience as a customer of the Polish State Railways
Thanks for comment.
Honestly, Polish railways are not in our short-term plans, but thay could be one day, definitely.
Love this Video. But you dindt talk about the new 408 Version Velaso MS :(
And no mention of the ICE L trains by Talgo
10:35 That's not an ICE 3 but an ICE T
Edit: This common mistake is made multiple times in the video.
Otherwise a nice overview.
I have ICE1, ICE2 and ICE3 models in HO scale. I have one set of ICE1 and one set of ICE2 with a pink band below the red band on the side of the coach below the windows. Would appreciate if someone can tell the difference between a red and pink band coach / train and a red band only coach / train
Thanks for this video. Gave lot of information...........
5:45 that Video is from my hometown. Should be from the early 80th.
Great video, would it be possible to have this type of series for spain?
It will be soon. We are now doing the package related to the South Korea. After that we will cover the Spain.
Informative video. Thanks
Brightline West, an American company is planning to use Siemens Velaros on it's LA to Las Vegas route.
Very nice Video! 👌👍
You forgot to mention the Velaro MS, BR408 as the last addition to the ICE fleet.
5:02 that's a photo of a model car you used there, I recongnize the coupling, because I own that model train (ICE1 by Märklin in 1:87)
Sri lanka imported lot of locomotives from eastern and western germany.Still14/16 west german thyssen henschel locos are working properly.
On 11:20 und 11:37 you don´t show a ICE3 but a ICE-T!
HUGE Mistake: You showed clips with ICE T while talking about the ICE3. Also ICE T aren't as similar to the ICE3 as said and I didn't really heard the difference between 411 and 415 (5/7 Car train)
Editing error, sorry! We were in rush to publish the video on time and missed that one..
Why did you show so much ICE T when you talked about the ICE 3?
I'm a train and I approve this video! :)
Nice video. 👍
But TRANSRAPID idea was really good maglev experiment. Germans even sold to trains but unlucky accident in 2002 put the end of maglev development.
did you know three train sets were ordererd by the NS (nederlandse spoorwegen) for NS HIspeed ( now NS international) for services between amsterdam and frankfurt?
Eschede is pronounced very differently. Meaning it is very not known as the Iksiede incident ;) also four per mille would mean 4m for 1000, wouldn't it?
what do you mean? Don't you remember the Eskid accident? I find the pronounciation very cute.
@@MrGollum27 to be fair, I don't care about the accent, it's heavy but whatever, it's great content and that's important, but from time to time it would be nice if the cared a little bit more about the pronunciation. Bombardaaaa is cute, a town where people died seems more callous.
You‘re right but the gradient is actually 40 per mille so 40 m was right
"bombardaah" was rough, sorry about that! and yes, 4 permille is 4m on 1000 m, 40 permille is 40 on 1000.
@@RailwaysExplained thanks for the answer! I really like your videos and tbh my accent would be similarly noticeable, you are doing great content and I hope for lots of videos more!
4:39 For what reason do you need double heading when the train is 400 metres long? Especially when the longest platforms are 400 metres long, too.
He literally explained why...
@@StefanWithTrains He did not.
@@clemensmuller2543 He said it is only for towing and not double heading.
@@StefanWithTrains You're talking about something different. Please read my original comment carefully.
Very nice.
At least Germany never ordered from Ansaldobreda.
That mistake cost denmark a lot
13:17 Russian "Sapsan" рas 2 variations : ''EVS1'' - for 3.3kV DC and ''EVS2'' for 3300V DC and 27.5kV AC 50Hz. These trains have a completely redesigned traction scheme, so their sounds are completely different compared to the trains of the ICE series.
Eschede: I assume you can read the IPA script? You find the correct pronunciation in the english WP article
PS Same for Bombardier
We would love to see some Indian trains.
i also say that the new ICE 3 neo train has the same look as eurostar and TCDD train from turkey
10:36 and 11:19 are ICE T, not ICE 3
Good video