Ducati Diavel V4 vs Triumph Rocket 3: Which Is Better?
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Chapters in this video:
0:00 - Intro
0:44 - Engine
4:20 - Handling
6:05 - Comfort
7:27 - Tech
8:45 - Styling
9:28 - Price
10:01 - Winner! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
For me, the shaft drive on the Triumph is a major influencer
Xdiavel has a belt. Pretty cool too 👍🏻
@@theonlyredspecial 🏍👍
Lots of power lost with shaft driven drivetrain but the savings in maintenance and danger of a snapped chain is worth it imo.
I love my rocket 3r BUT i really want the diavel v4 too hopefully I can have both one day 😁
Belts!!! YUK!! @@theonlyredspecial
Had a 2012 Busa before and I just hated to maintain that chain!!!
I am a Rocketeer, it’s by far and away the best motorcycle I have ever had in over 40 years of riding.
It handles so easily you could almost forget the weight.
Which model, Marc?
@@user-sw2lv3zp6o Thé GT. Everything about it is just great. I added the quick shifter too.
As long as it’s moving you don’t feel the weight .
@@seigliere1 I bet you don't. I test rode the old Rocket lll Roadster over ten years ago. I expected to struggle to lift it off the side stand. It couldn't have been easier. The weight was so low, the bike was a joy to ride. Mini-roundabouts [just north of London] were a slow process, but other than that, it was a fabulous ride. The best bike I have ever been on. When I got back on my Buell Ulysses after it felt like a toy.
@@user-sw2lv3zp6o I did embarrass myself on day 1. Stop sign adverse camber and….dropped it!
At 65 I just don’t have as much strength in my legs as I used to!
Originally from North London too! Hampstead and Kentish Town when it was still very working class.
In France and Spain now where my Rocket is.
@@seigliere1 well said, love the GT
Bought a Diavel new on a 2011 plate . From new front disc's warped, back brake non existent , kept blowing main fuse and with just under 10000 on clock front pot big end bearing gave up. So within the first month to 2 yrs of owning the bike i had to replace , front disk's , engine loom , two thermo's , god knows how many ambient air pressure sensors, abs pump, starter relay, ecu and a lot more including a new engine. Ducati's response to my complaint that my bike was not fit for purpose was " How did you get on with your dealership ". If anyone else has a Diavel with back brake issue by the way try changing the brake fluid i think i used 5.1. So i had a love hate relationship with the Diavel , still think Ducati make stunning looking bikes and hope i just bought an expensive Friday afternoon job.For my retirement have bought a Chrome Rocket 3R , so far awesome.
The diavel is the best bike
But the Rocket 3 is just something else
Either way you didn't choose anything wrong if you're lucky to have any of those.
Those are literally my top 2 dream bikes, maybe one day I will be lucky enough 😅
Good luck
I own a 2021 R3 GT and love it. The absolute best of the 28 bikes I've owned in 63 years of riding!
I just sold my 2019 X Diavel and have seller's remorse! I'm very interested in the new Duc V4 but, truth is, I hate chains and I have no ideas why Ducati did not use a beautiful belt on the new V4.
Zero maintenance, no crap spinning off and losing 3 HP at 9000 rpm does not impress me!!
They are both incredible machines for sure. I settled on the R3GT (mid control mod) and can confirm it's the best bike I've owned during the past 30 years, its also a classy retro and timeless design - essentially art. Drive shaft and the driver tech (rider modes, TC, cornering ABS, cruise C and heated grips) makes it a joy to drive. My 3rd Triumph and they just keep getting better.
Don't forget about the quick shifter too!
Just so I'm understanding, you bought a Rocket 3 GT and then put on the mid-controls from the R? That's pretty sick, I'm torn myself between the GT and R but really like how far back the GT's handlebars are.
@@CampHikeSki 100% I fitted R mids on my GT, its the best mod for this bike and improves handling. GT is better suited to riders over 6foot looking for cruisers feel, hence the forwards controls. That said even If I was over 6 foot I would still opt for mids on the GT, its such a comfortable riding position with more pillion friendly option. blessed weekend
I’ve had everything myself R1, Harley 103s, cb1000r, ktm super Duke, etc but nothing really rides like this rocket. You even get decent acceleration plodding along in 6th gear at 1500rpm. Drop 2 gears and hold on.
That said the ktm super Duke r was the bike that made me appreciate torque I had ridden nothing like it before.
Also rocket 3r handles amazing in turns never seen something so big/heavy take turns so easily especially with a 240 tire!! 😮
I am thinking of buying either one of these. I am 68yrs old so will consider factors you covered. I really like your tests which are very professional and informative.
As a Triumph rider I feel obliged to answer the Rocket, swung a leg over one in the dealership it just felt like it wanted to kill me
@Shalin rocket ship!
So you bought it, right?
being a little older I said the very same thing when I road a Kawasaki (used 1975) Mark III in 1978. My brother was with me when I test road it and ask me if I was going to buy it. I told him No!, I would be dead within the week! Still one of the fastest bikes I ever road and way too squirrelly.
I started with triumph and I’m on a Ducati mostly now. I love both and I currently own both brands (Pani V4S and 675R). I rode a rocket once and you’re absolutely right. It’s a monster of a bike.
I recently traded my 2021 Rocket GT for a 2021 Diavel 1260s. I love them both for different reasons.
The Diavel has the Arrow race exhaust and sounds insane, I love it. The Rocket will always have a place in my heart and the torque is stupidly immense, but I have always wanted a Diavel and I enjoy it very much. No doubt I will change again in a summer or two. Keep safe everyone.
The Diavel is literally the perfect bike for me in terms of what it delivers (except the price)
Same here!!
I haven’t had a chance to ride the new Diavel V4 yet. But I own the new Rocket 3 R and it’s a lot of fun. I have people stop and ask about it everywhere I go (it’s almost annoying) lol
I am from Italy and I must say that Rocket 3 is a piece of art.
Spot on comparison . I’ve got the R3 TFC and recently tried the new Diavel V4. Both are brilliant at what they’re intended to do and what’s better depends on what you’re looking for. The R3 has the low down instant torque and pick up, shaft drive, comfy rear seat and optional cissy bar a longer wheelbase and built for sweeping A roads. The Diavel was more of a monster super naked crossover, it is far better at b roads I rode on but not as comfy and didn’t have the low end grunt, mid range on it blows the R3 away on back roads when thrashing it. I also feel the Diavel was built down to a price with flimsy panels, exposed cables etc. Definitely test both to see which one is for you, they’re both brilliant. 👍🏻
If you are looking at a Rocket 3 I would recommend the quick shifter, a Puig screen for 70mph plus a Nitron rear shock if you’re keeping it as it makes the ride magic.
I am definitely keeping it for as long as I can ride. I am 65 in a few months!
I have the quick shifter and yes a better screen would be wonderful.
I don’t find the seat over comfortable and will definitely enquire about the shock absorber. Thanks
@@seigliere1 I had a custom seat on mine tailored by a local company to my bum and medical gel. Not expensive and a lot cheaper and better quality than Corbin.
@@funkyfin3023 where?
Rocket anyday, just for the way it looks, triple headers, dual headlamp, wide front tyre 🥰🥰🥰. High power/torque at low RPMs 🥰🥰🥰.
I've owned the newer rocket 3 and only a 30 minute test ride on the Diavel v4 with the akrapovic exhaust. All I gotta say is when I finished my test ride on the Diavel I bought it instantly. The handling hands down beats the rocket. It's almost as nimble as my streetfighter. It's definitely a more fun bike than the rocket. Don't get me wrong. The rocket was a beast. Comfortable, torquey etc. But the Diavel just put me in that giddy mood. I love them both but I'll have to hand over the title to the Diavel
Enjoying the ride with my father’s Rocket 3 GT but I also would like to get my hands on a diavel v4 just because I think that cornering ability is much better since it’s lighter. Overall great review for both bikes!
Rocket anyday..
My Rocket gets a lot of compliments often called “Batman’s bike” 😂
Forgot noisy chain drive of Diavel vs shaft drive of the Rocket. And there's not a single passenger in the world that wouldn't opt for the comfort of the Rocket. Another tip regarding the engines: the Rocket 3's engine is SEVERELY restrained from the factory. It has reduced fuel at the higher RPMs and the revving is cut way prematurely. As you can easily find it can rev for 1500 more and given the proper fuelling it can be a 200 hp bike...with no other modifications done.
Awesome video Bob 👍🏽
I gotta say I’d give the win to the Diavel. It’s lighter, faster, and can crush it in the twisties. Love the esthetics of the Rocket 3R Chrome Edition, but I think you’ll have more fun even if you’re a tad less comfortable on the Diavel. Cheers!
Sounds like the Diavel's the wrong bike on your list to start with - a streetfighter or even a 17in wheeled MS would do those jobs much better.
I’m coming from an S1000RR to one of these.
Speed isn’t everything. I’m leaning towards the Rocket simply for the experience.
I've had a Speed Triple RS for the past two years but now moving over to the Diavel. Picking mine up this Saturday and can't wait!!!!! Like the Rocket but just think it looks too cumbersome, the Ducati on the otherhand is just pure Italian majic but now with a dash of German reliability!! (being owned by Audi/VW)
Interesting. I just watched Lamb Chops comparison and they loved the Diavel. I doubt I'll ever be able to afford either of these bikes,,,,,you've got a dream job my friend
Proud owner of a Rocket 3 R Black.
Another X factor could be the styling specials… ie the Black, Triple Black, 221, chrome and the new silver color way. Add another point for the Rocket.
Engine and styling go to the Diavel in my book.
Great video. At last, Ducati are using normal valves. In fact, better than normal, with 60,000 km intervals. That's a big deal and a huge step in the right direction.
Well done, please tell us your favourite tween Rocket and Goldwing DCT now?
Is it price differential or the coolness the reason you see many more Rocket 3s on the road? Tons of accessories and configurations available for the Rocket 3. The spec page indicates Ducati and suppose if you are a rider that likes to run the roads at a quick pace. However, if you only occasional hustle down the road the Rocket 3 would be a much better choice.
Have a 2022 R3gt, 7k on it , has been flawless, also a 2019 Speedmaster with over 20K on it had a couple issues but were covered by the factory, looking at at K1600B and or XDiavel
Diavel for me
I choose both. I'm not sure which one I'll be getting first though. I think both will be an upgrade from my HD Breakout
If I was only going to have one bike I'd say the Diavel but as part of a stable I'd say Rocket III, just so unique.
As part of a stable.... Why not both?😅🤷🏾♂️
Both look like great bikes im coming from a supersport honda RR love my speed and handling but as time goes on im beginning to think otherwise looking for a sporty cruiser. Was thinking the Rebel 1100 until a friend showed me the Rocket 3R never knew it existed an i must say its absolutely stunning actually goin to look at one this weekened. Ive gotta see it in person it just looks like my type of bike bold makes a statement and itll be easy to find it in a crouded bike event 😂 unlike my honda RR until i painted the wheels hyper orange. Great video.. keep the rubber side down. Safe riding guys and girls!
The Rocket 3 looks like a Boss Hoss motorcycle. I’d feel self conscious on that thing lol
Aussie Rocketeer on a 22 GT, and love it. I had an 07 Classic which felt like a tractor (don't get me wrong, I loved it) and the GT is just smooth, sleek, hammers the road into submission and handles far better than it has any right to.
I know I would be very happy with the Diavel and that its probably the more practical bike to live with. But I can´t ignore the pull of that monster engine in the Rocket and the fact that it fit me like a glove and was probably the most comfortable motorbike I ever sat on
please upload the comparison video between super meteor and honda rebel 500🔥
If I were going to get one of these, it'd be a second bike next to my Tuono. I don't need another fun bike to carve canyons. That's what my Tuono is for. I would, however, love a Rocket to crush highway miles. If I could only have 1 bike, it wouldn't be either of these. But it would be the Triumph for me as a second bike.
I find the Rocket uncomfortable on a long ride as the wind forces my legs out (which makes them ache after a while) due to the wide fuel tank.
Obviously voids the warranty but simply tuning the ecu unlocks more horsepower than than I've ever seen from simply reflashing. It's shocking how much triumph has restricted this bike from the factory
Having experienced neither first hand,, I would definitely consider the 2300cc Beast mode ROCKET. 🎉torque wins ultimately... 😊
On another channel the Diavel pulled on the Rocket in roll-on situations in all gears (engine!!)
gearing weight … diavel spin biger rpm on the same gear + is lighter thats why it can go close roll-on at the same gear from low to mid rpm cos at biger it leave rocket in the dust 👌🏻 if you setup regulation in such way 👉🏻 the same velocity the same rpm dosent matter what gear is required for make the same rpm in both at the same velocity and from idlle up to rpm limiter so 6,5-7 k rpm rocket beat diavel at same gear it be close to certain rpm depend on precise diffrenc in gearing weoght power level at specified rpm must be precise calulcated + drive train losesss roll and drag , roll on from optimal rpm like in race in both and diavel smoked rocket diavel start from 9 k rpm rocket from 5 k rpm so both from like 80-90% rpm before peak power and rocket dont have chance cos both generate similar power but diavel is much lighter end of stpry .
Rocket for features plus sheer presence 😀
I feel that the Rocket is more true to the cruiser ethos. Being closer to a large naked bike, the Diavel is something I'd consider once I'm too fat for a Streetfighter 😂
I'll always rank the Diavel high in all regards. It's something very easy to work with, where in the Rocket make take the crown for massive cc figure and looks but its more harder bike to work with. Think of moving the Rocket backwards in some area with less turning ground that's going to be a nightmare.
I traded my 07 zx14 on a new 08 rocket 3 back in the day, both bikes were equally viscous just in different ways, Id love a new rocket 🤔
I'd choose the Triumph based on price. Both gorgeous and bonkers
I agree with everything accept the styling. The rocket is a look we’ve seen before where the Ducati is unique.
I love my 2010 R3.
Does anyone know if Ducati is going to redesign the X Diavel with this new engine?
Well with the money saved on the Rocket One can get an aftermarket exhaust and ECU flash and then the R3 gets closer to 175+bhp on the back wheel. And even more torque! But as an exacting Sunday blast machine Ducati probably still will get my vote because of the lower weight and better agility. So Rocket is a better cruiser but Ducati is a better naked motorcycle. I would be happy with any of the two
Traded a 2018 Fat Boy for my 2017 R3R and haven't looked back. Love the comfort, power, and looks of the older Rockets (like mine). However, if I could afford it, I'd probably have one of the new ones!
Diavel definitely
Nothing against the Rocket, I love that too
Just the Diavel has this Italian design to it that makes it slim even tho it’s not exactly slim. Idk quite how to describe it it’s just magnificent
I traded my large Harley Davidson towards a Diavel V4. Moving that beast around the garage was getting painful and I really was looking to shed weight for my mostly local rides. That said, I hope to be able to add a Rocket to my garage at some point. IMHO, weight considerations aside, I don't know that there's a wrong answer. Ride safe!
Rocket3 all day.
Triumph Rocket all day long for me.
Isn't the Rocket 3 a transverse triple rather than in-line?
No. It's inline
If people buying one of these need the 1k quid difference in price, they shouldn't be buying one of these to begin with. So, I really don't think price is a win or lose choice. Styling is 100% subjective. I like the Ducati styling way better than the Triumph's. But that is just me. What is missing is build quality. I'd almost bet Triumph would win this category, but Ducati has made great strides to improve in their quality too. Also IMHO, the engine should have gone to the Diavel. The Rocket's engine is almost gaudy and over exaggerated, like a caricature. It's a small penis compensator if I've ever saw one. It's overkill to say the least. Some people may want that. I certainly don't, thus the Diavel would be my choice between the two for sure, just on that criteria alone.
And as others have mentioned, on a motorcycle you want to have fun. And the Diavel will offer much more fun than the big lug Rocket. And fun factor to me is a much more weighted category than any other.
Does the Rocket have a diesel engine?
Hehe.... I picked a '21 Rocket GT after owning a Kawasaki ZX14 Ninja. I like the Diavel, but at around 6'2" and now in my 50's, the Rocket has been fantastic. I've never felt a bike pull like the Rocket does. Smiles for miles 🐻
Diavel for me, i see it as a muscle bike, not a cruiser in any way though, I'd be happy with either mind you! :)
Ricket III over here!!
The Diavel is closer related to the Speed Triple 1200 RS.
The triumph would be my choice!😊
I've put 50,000+ miles on my 2022 Rocket 3 R, including a 7,000-mile ride from the southeast US to the Canadian Rockies. I love the bike. I would not trade it for a V4, but I am saving my pennies to purchase a V4. Each bike has its advantages. It seems the only good answer is to own both. If I had to pick one, the Rocket wins if for no other reason than it has a shaft drive. I hate chain maintenance.
i have a 2020 Triumph Rocket 3 GT and man does it get attention from peoples each ride i take with it everytime someone come to me to talk or take picture of it its amazing it like owning a Ferrari or a Lamborgini ONE word to describe it TORQUE.
Rocket III for me. It just stops me dead every time I see it. The Diavel is beautiful to look at and I am sure it’s fun to throw around, but at my age I am less interested in that and more interested in the sheer presence and comfort of the Rocket III.
Of course we could all have one of each! 😂
Great points Rob, tbh I loved owning my Rocket 3R and to me it's just more special. However having owned one for 18mo, 9000 miles and since sold then now I do covet the Diavel, for a sportier ride, and I loved the Diavel when it first come out, the weight difference of the v5 version is a big reason and the longer service intervals. Also fancy a Gen2 Vmax, or a ZH2 if I can ignore the looks. I also love my OG 1985 Vmax, the original bad daddy.
I purchased The Rocket 3GT recently. Shaft drive and very large tires and Brembos. If it's not better than sex it is a close runner up.
Nice review, but the complete omission of mentioning the VMAX as a competitor suggests an opportunity for more research.
I like this video😊👍💪💪💪
Ducati for me tks Bob.
Me looking at my Vmax : "dw darling you're still the best to me"
At my age (62) and if I have the money, I'd go for the Rocket GT.
WHY does the exhaust for a triple end in two pipes? Makes no sense. It should either be one, or three mufflers like my Hurricane.
Nice
For me, a metric that you didn't cover, that would be the scale tipper for me, is RELIABILITY! Which manufacturer has more known reliability issues?
I test drove both of these models. In conclusion, if you like riding with the strength of your inner thighs, choose the Rocket 3R, and if you like riding lightly with your hips, choose the Ducati. Ducati is good because the foot placement, seat comfort, and dashboard design are pretty. Rocket 3's engine power is acceptable, but the seat is a bit hard, the place to place your feet is a bit awkward, and I don't like the stupid instrument panel. Also, because the oil tank is huge, it feels a lot of pressure, and the seating position is uncomfortable, making long-distance travel impossible.
The Diavel may cost more... but I think it actually costs less when it comes down to maintainance and taxes!
Polite comments, no trash talking...cant believe im on youtube. Good job guys.
The best is the one you like the most ❤️ if you hesitate, get both 😂
Definitely the rocket as I think the Ducati will go out of fashion in markets where speed is an issue
Triumph rocket 3R red color is always best for me ..
Just me or Triumph with that WALL-E vibe fr.
The diavel is the exact bike I would want ,,,,, except for being chain driven.
I hope Yamaha is watching…
No, you can safely assume they are not! They are happy to sleep on the wheel, churning out hideous sport tourers like the Tracer GT 9 when they could have easily updated the FJR to bring it to modern standards.
If only they had refreshed the VMAX . . . 🤦♂️
Sales or not, that was one Hell of a Halo Bike.
Rear cylinder deactivation, finger follower valve train, an Eco/low power Map for commuting and a 6th gear overdrive for long distance riding would have done wonders for making it a better value and daily rider proposition.
@@GIGABACHIvmax might be the ugliest bike I’ve ever seen but it’s a shame because that engine is one of life’s true joys and it sounds like it ate part of a mustang 💪🏽💪🏽
If I could only have one, I'm taking the rocket. But since I'm dreaming, and it's free, I'm getting them both. Peace MOTOBOB.
The Rocket is special - has its own engine with ridiculous specs - ie suitable for this application
diavelv4 is powercruiser/naked new class rocket is powercruiser . more torq rocket make the same power at lower rpm 👌🏻
I picked a new Triumph Rocket 3 R. I’ve had it for Two months and it’s just a great bike. It’s really the smooth very highly cultured 007-James Bond of bikes. No question about it whatsoever. When you cruise on the bike, you really do hear the cool slinky theme music to 007. It rides like a dream does the twisties very well. Funnily, I’ve met quite a few bikers that are intimidated by the rocket 3. More interestingly though is a lot of women like owning the bike and their intimidation of the bike for some reason doesn’t exist. I kind of think it’s the testosterones the rocket extrudes and men often are intimidated by something that’s more manly than they feel they are. Who knows? But that’s a real phenomenon I’ve seen many times.
A rider who likes lighter weight bikes, more an enthusiast, looks at handling not just raw speed, chooses the Ducati. Those who like power and torque above all regardless of heavy weight, choose the Triumph. Rocket owners say how well it handles but thats relative. Sure it handles well for a 700 pound bike, but not compared to lighter bikes. Its physics.
For my money the Rocket is the best all around street bike out there. I can play with the sport bikes (i have passed more of them than have passed me) and do long tours with the baggers (just finished a 3100 mile 8 day ride, wouldn’t want to do that on the Diavel). Plus that torque provides never ending grins, lol.
Aint no replacement for displacement
Massive
Rolls-Royce Phantom vs Masserati Levante
my fave heavy cruiser is a new Breakout 117 but if had to choose these I would go Rocket 3
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The Rocket 3 is so much more fun than the Ducati.
Triumph Rocket 3 for me😎
I'd like my Ducati in white pearl