Small corrrection: The 4MB games are also playable with 1MB cartridge. My intent with the estimated price tag is to provide helpful information for retro gamers - not scalpers!. The pricing is for the US version based on ebay.com. If the game never released in US then I picked the price for the PAL version and so on. Originally I planed to make 15x list but the Sega Saturn has way to many great looking 2D games 🥰 ..and I could add even more games to the list.
I recommend investing in a Sega Saturn Psycho ram cart that does 1MB,4MB, and allows you to play Japan games which are way cheaper than the USA versions.
I wanted to do this video, but yours is SO GOOD that it won't be necessary to repeat. Bravo! More content like this! What a great console the Saturn was, and how underrated it was in the west...
Thanks mate. I think you should do your video because the Sega Saturn has so many 2D games. So you might pick games that do look better than some of my picks. Do it! :)
I know that Saturn games have come up quite a bit in price but a good 85% of my games are Japanese imports. I live the USA and got my Saturn shortly after it was "dead", and not only did I learn that I missed out on a TON of amazing games that never came to the States but that through the years I have been able to add them to my collection for a lot cheaper than the US releases which were very limited in number. People, I am going to say this to you: do NOT pay the price listed for 97% of the games shown here. Yes, they are pretty good ones, NO, they are NOT worth that money. To use a phrase from SNES Drunk, "You need to play this game anyway you can" and he's right. Emulation is VERY good for the Saturn, ignore anyone who says it's terrible as I can personally guarantee they have not tried it in over 10 yrs at this point (seriously, I can't tell you how many people I have come across who have legit said and believed this and last tried the first SSJ version over a decade ago). Pseudo Carts are EXCELLENT, lets you burn CD-R's and play them on your Saturn so you can also backup your own collection and get 4MB support for supported games. ODE's: Screw Terra Onion for obvious reasons (go look it up, Google is your friend) but I have a no solder Satiator and love it even though it's not been updated in over a year at this point and has some glitches still, but whatever I cant play is super minor and I will either take the one game off my shelf that wont load and play it via the Action Replay Cart or Pseudo. These games are amazing, don't pay crazy prices, just play and enjoy them! Also the RetroTINK 5X is freaking amazing and I love mine paired with HD Retrovision cables *hugs them*
It's so easy to forget that the Sega Saturn looked GORGEOUS with it's Spritework. As a side, a little sad no Sakura Taisen game was featured here, but you also showed me a few Saturn games i wasn't aware of, so it balances out
I didn't know Discworld was on Saturn, that's cool to learn. One I'd recommend is Three Dirty Dwarves, has some impressive sprite-work and scaling/rotation.
I love the footage and games you chose for this. I’d never heard of most of these games. I got my first Saturn today, and I wasn’t that excited about it before, but I’m stoked to play it now!
9:46 Somehow, the character feels loosely inspired by Akira Toryama. Honestly, kinda surprised to see such an odd character as (I'm assuming) the protagonist, but I kinda dig it, even if his design isn't super appealing.
9:47 arguably one of the most visually astounding 2D titles on the Saturn that no one has ever heard of. Givro was an ambitious developer with staff that worked on the original Double Dragon and Kunio titles.
You’re bringing back so many memories.. my home boy found a way to hack his console to play overseas games so a lot of these games I got to play back ordered a lot of overseas games.
Great video! Perhaps having slightly longer gameplay clips and also allowing the information to have a bit more time on screen before transitioning would make things a little less chaotic. I don't know where to look half the time. None the less, you're on the way to a winning formula. Subscribed!
Spectacular choices ! I’d love to see all of these gorgeous games at their brightest, most vibrant colorful smoothed form that the 5x can take them ! Especially the Capcom titles !
Man with the crt tv those are some of the best looking games I’ve seen. Why can’t sega remaster some of those games and scale them up to 4K with the exact same graphics and gameplay?
I'll also add Tryrush Deppy, and Princess Crown. Sadly the latter has no English translation, someone was working on a fan translation but it appears to be in development hell for the past 10 years.
no doubt sega saturn was very capable of 2d. It has very similar or almost identical games to the arcade ones and its great sensation. It could move to high quality and 2d graphic frames. The great obstacle was its complex architecture for 3d programming and errors in Sega's marketing. It is a pity because it was a console gem that could be more than it was
More specifically, the architecture was based on how Sega’s arcade machine boards worked. This enabled certain very specific “Sega-like” graphical effects but most developers weren’t used to working with such hardware. PlayStation was a simple system to program for and that really benefitted it. It’s a tragedy we barely saw what the Saturn could do here in the US.
“More than it was” ummmm….it got 7 years of development (1994-2001) & had over 1,200 games. Both the most for any Sega console. What else could it have done besides receive a ton of murican sports trash ports or whatever…? It probably has the greatest RPG library ever, inarguably the greatest SHMUP library ever, arguably the greatest platformer library ever, and likely has the greatest library of exclusives ever 😂
Video looks good, it looks like a very, VERY dim CRT. King of Fighters 97, Samurai Spirits, and maybe Real Bout Fatal Fury are best used with the 1MB RAM expansion otherwise you could get glitched sprites.
@@wobblingpixels3921 i really like your style of videos. however i think that this crt filter is poor, not because it is dim but because it is not stable, it seem to be causing screen glitches and wobbling (assuming it is the cause). tho i know this channel is about wobbling pixels but not wobbling scanlines :)
Nice showcase of the Saturn's 2D greatness. I was going to comment that the Neo Geo ports featured, require the 1MB cartridge. I noticed sprite issues with games like Real Bout Fatal Fury, if you play it with the 4MB cart. I want to ask why you didn't include prices for games that were released across multiple regions. The Japanese release of Marvel Super Heroes is considerably less expensive than the North American release.
...this is so much more effort to set the price of every genre version. Also the majority of my viewrs comes from america or are english speaking. With some games this will be game breaker. maybe I will it include next time.
The Saturn is a beast, so many great games, in 2d or even 3d. So sad that back in the 90’s every teenager laughed when I said that I have a Saturn. I am a rpg fan and the Saturn has the biggest catalog by far, even only in Japanese I played shining force 3 scenario 3 hundreds hours, same for arcana strikes, sorvice, wachenroder, valhollian, puyo puyo dungeon…
Depends on many different factors - CRT TV model, picture calibration, 240p source resolution (not 480i), etc. When done right, scanlines are gorgeous on original CRT. Now days most scanline generators are stupidly applying a mask of dark "lines", but doing so effecitvely ruins the overall picture and color brightness. This is not doing justice at all to the CRT glory days.
Meanwhile I gave this video a 👍🏻's up. However I'm more interested in 3-D graphics of SEGA SATURN then Playstation one graphics.. And yes 2D games do play better on SEGA SATURN than Sony one. However for many people to say that Sega Saturn is only A2-D machine system is totally a misconception. Saturn has way more powerful chips set, then PlayStation one. Don't get me wrong I still like playstation one for other reasons. PS1 sold better Games are cheaper and easier to find in wild I appreciate all video game systems but Saturn holds the trophy today wait a minute I mean for the DECADE'S! 🎛🔉🎵🎮🤘🏻🤩🎧📺🎚🔊🎶 Sony fanboy's want to Argue Just compared Duke Nukem 3-D Even to be loved Nintendo 64. DUKE NUK'EM 3-D Saturn
Can you share your DC settings? I am struggling to get a decent image from either the offical RGB scart or S-Video via the VGA Box. Even with the masks, this comes nowhere near VGA + OSSC and always looks blurry / jaggy / bleed colors. However, in your videos DC looks amazing via Retrotink 5x
@@wobblingpixels3921 I have that one and running it on my OSSC. But can you share the RGB SCART Retrotink 5x settings too? I saw your video comparing to other scalers but did not get full idea from that.
@@wobblingpixels3921 All good, found my answer here th-cam.com/video/H7z5uxtajt0/w-d-xo.html Not sure why I did not see it before. Thanks for your videos!
Why is there a crisscross pattern on some of the games? If this is what systems look like using the Retrotink, then I'm glad I'm using RGB on a 15khz monitor.
Sad what happened to this console, which had so much potential yet to be realized. We didn't have a Saturn but i'm a fan of the industry and it's always a major downer with great businesses lose their way and can't get back. I'm hoping we'll eventually see a Sega console in the future. Be great for fans and the market, which sorely needs competition. Be awesome to see Sega smack Xbox and Sony in the mouth.
I get the impression those are fake scanlines and y0ou didn't actually record this on a real crt. The scanlines are distracting. Old consumer tv's usually had a bit of blending and color bleed. Which made them seem to look better than on a modern tv/monitor. Additionally 16bit era machines and back didn't have true transparency so they often had transparent pixels which when displayed on a crt monitor/tv gave the illusion of transparency. I'm not sure if the Saturn had actual transparency or not, but still, they usually made them for old tube tv's. I set my res down to 480, because at least the scanlines are less distracting.
No, the Saturn didn't have real transparency. The sprites that look like checkerboard patterns such as the foreground panels in Samurai Shodown are a trick devs used to make them look transparent on composite signals due to limited chroma bandwidth.
@@davidfaustino4476 - I've seen people do just that to show differences in displays, and it doesn't look ridiculous and people do watch depending on the content of the video. Don't you have anything better to do than to try to put negative replies to random TH-cam comments? Did I offend you in some way by suggesting the fake scanlines in the video were distracting? If so, I would suggest that says something more about you than my comment does about me.
@@meinukey There are plenty of examples of "real" transparency on Saturn, in both sprites and polygons, that don't resort to the mesh trick (Radiant Emerald track of Sonic R for one). It was just harder to do and often came with tradeoffs. th-cam.com/video/-g13EsG6sGY/w-d-xo.html
I know right SNES had it I still love my Saturn though and why the hell they didn't have an easier way to do transparency especially for a 32-bit system
AFAIK, the saturn CAN do proper 2D transparency, even 3D transparency when the dev is able and willing to jump through some hoops and put up with the saturns quirks - but apparently not many devs bothered or knew how to do it. And most games made in the US or japan were probably made with NTSC composite video in mind, which can generate a "transparency" effect out of dithered fake transparency. I assume that was "good enough" ... the problem these days is that this hack does not work with any higher quality video signal like PAL composite, RGB or svideo.
@@KenjiUminoproblem is that SEGA split the graphics circuit onto two chips. Atari Jaguar has everything on Tom and can draw shadows on the floor. Jaguar homebrew seems to favour 2d. I would love to see a demo with pre-multiplied alpha and where a RISC software renderer (a la 32x) multiplies the background at the affected pixels. Super Mario ghosts on Jaguar. How fast is access to VRAM for the second SH2 ?
With so many beautiful games like these, there will always be doubts and questions about why the Saturn failed. From the results, one gets the impression that the console was a bomb not only because of the hardware's inefficient performance, but also because of a presumably poor collection of games - but that's not quite true.
Uhh, wat…? It didn’t fail, it received nearly 7 years of development (1994-2001) & had over 1,200 titles, the most games for any Sega console. What’re you talking about…?
@@marcbasil This is a controversial issue, because commercially there is no doubt that the Saturn was a failure from the beginning of the project to the end. The duo of RISC processors combined with Sega's proprietary media doomed this hardware and the good rapport the company had with game developers. The piracy of games in CD-ROM format and the much simpler hardware of the PS1 simply annihilated the competition and Sega suffered a lot of damage while following the rules faithfully, with the Saturn being a very difficult console to break protection locks and program to this day.
yes but the Playstation has no 2D architecture. It's basically all flat triangles. The Saturn had 2D and 3D architecture. These are sprites using 2D tricks like horizontal interrupts
@@themeangene Plus, marketing-wise, the name of the game was "Let's make as many 3D games as possible to impress so we can look impressive." Not that I mind that though because the PS1 does have some awesome 3D games, but it's a shame how 2D was left in the dust for a while.
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Small corrrection: The 4MB games are also playable with 1MB cartridge.
My intent with the estimated price tag is to provide helpful information for retro gamers - not scalpers!. The pricing is for the US version based on ebay.com. If the game never released in US then I picked the price for the PAL version and so on.
Originally I planed to make 15x list but the Sega Saturn has way to many great looking 2D games 🥰 ..and I could add even more games to the list.
Pretty sure at least Street Fighter Zero 3 won't work with the 1MB cart, you need the 4MB one.
Xmen vs Street Fighter, MSH vs SF, Dark Stalkers 3 and Alpha 3 only work with the 4 meg cart
Sidenote: Some SNK 1MB RAM games won't work or won't work well with the 4MB RAM cart.
I think many of the 4M games are not playable with the 1M, the opposite is also true, there are 1M games that won’t play with 4M.
I recommend investing in a Sega Saturn Psycho ram cart that does 1MB,4MB, and allows you to play Japan games which are way cheaper than the USA versions.
Great Saturn representation! One of the most underrated and misunderstood consoles. Truly one of the greatest tragedies in videogames.
Not in Japan.
wii u and saturn = total boss consoles.
@@ianswift3521Wii u 🤣 c'mon
Dreamcast was great too.
@@ianswift3521you mean GameCube
Very surprised you didn't show Princess Crown, LUNAR Silver Star Story, or Lunar 2: Eternal Blue which all had amazing 2-D sprite graphics....
I wanted to do this video, but yours is SO GOOD that it won't be necessary to repeat. Bravo! More content like this!
What a great console the Saturn was, and how underrated it was in the west...
Thanks mate. I think you should do your video because the Sega Saturn has so many 2D games. So you might pick games that do look better than some of my picks. Do it! :)
I mean, just do a video on the same topic, but pick all different titles. Saturn has like 700+ 2D games…
I know that Saturn games have come up quite a bit in price but a good 85% of my games are Japanese imports. I live the USA and got my Saturn shortly after it was "dead", and not only did I learn that I missed out on a TON of amazing games that never came to the States but that through the years I have been able to add them to my collection for a lot cheaper than the US releases which were very limited in number.
People, I am going to say this to you: do NOT pay the price listed for 97% of the games shown here. Yes, they are pretty good ones, NO, they are NOT worth that money. To use a phrase from SNES Drunk, "You need to play this game anyway you can" and he's right.
Emulation is VERY good for the Saturn, ignore anyone who says it's terrible as I can personally guarantee they have not tried it in over 10 yrs at this point (seriously, I can't tell you how many people I have come across who have legit said and believed this and last tried the first SSJ version over a decade ago). Pseudo Carts are EXCELLENT, lets you burn CD-R's and play them on your Saturn so you can also backup your own collection and get 4MB support for supported games. ODE's: Screw Terra Onion for obvious reasons (go look it up, Google is your friend) but I have a no solder Satiator and love it even though it's not been updated in over a year at this point and has some glitches still, but whatever I cant play is super minor and I will either take the one game off my shelf that wont load and play it via the Action Replay Cart or Pseudo.
These games are amazing, don't pay crazy prices, just play and enjoy them! Also the RetroTINK 5X is freaking amazing and I love mine paired with HD Retrovision cables *hugs them*
Сейчас уже есть катридж Saroo, который работает с порта расширения. Его постоянно обновляют. Большинство игр работает.
6:20 There's a word for the 'Jump and Run' genre in gaming. It's called a 'Platformer'.
It's so easy to forget that the Sega Saturn looked GORGEOUS with it's Spritework.
As a side, a little sad no Sakura Taisen game was featured here, but you also showed me a few Saturn games i wasn't aware of, so it balances out
I didn't know Discworld was on Saturn, that's cool to learn. One I'd recommend is Three Dirty Dwarves, has some impressive sprite-work and scaling/rotation.
Thank you for advertising Cotton! I love her and her games on the Saturn.
I love the footage and games you chose for this. I’d never heard of most of these games. I got my first Saturn today, and I wasn’t that excited about it before, but I’m stoked to play it now!
Cool. And I got my first Saturn a week ago. Really enjoying it.
The crt filter you're using ROCKS
9:46 Somehow, the character feels loosely inspired by Akira Toryama. Honestly, kinda surprised to see such an odd character as (I'm assuming) the protagonist, but I kinda dig it, even if his design isn't super appealing.
9:47 arguably one of the most visually astounding 2D titles on the Saturn that no one has ever heard of. Givro was an ambitious developer with staff that worked on the original Double Dragon and Kunio titles.
You’re bringing back so many memories.. my home boy found a way to hack his console to play overseas games so a lot of these games I got to play back ordered a lot of overseas games.
albert odysey is magical, gotta give it a second playthrough, and the taiyo and oasis series too.
*yes astal!! easily one of the most beautiful games to ever watch.*
Great video! Perhaps having slightly longer gameplay clips and also allowing the information to have a bit more time on screen before transitioning would make things a little less chaotic. I don't know where to look half the time. None the less, you're on the way to a winning formula. Subscribed!
I love Sega Saturn so much - especially with the 4MB ram expansion-best fighting game experience on ANY console!
Galactic Attack looks impressive to this day IMO.
Spectacular choices !
I’d love to see all of these gorgeous games at their brightest, most vibrant colorful smoothed form that the 5x can take them !
Especially the Capcom titles !
There is no way Power Drift was $12, even at the time the video was posted
so true, most games are over-priced but this one is way too under-valued!!!
Man with the crt tv those are some of the best looking games I’ve seen. Why can’t sega remaster some of those games and scale them up to 4K with the exact same graphics and gameplay?
The suits don't care. Fans will do this one day.
@@mrfake675 I hope they can do it without getting sued. They have so many good lps.
Very nice well put together list.
I'll also add Tryrush Deppy, and Princess Crown. Sadly the latter has no English translation, someone was working on a fan translation but it appears to be in development hell for the past 10 years.
no doubt sega saturn was very capable of 2d. It has very similar or almost identical games to the arcade ones and its great sensation. It could move to high quality and 2d graphic frames. The great obstacle was its complex architecture for 3d programming and errors in Sega's marketing. It is a pity because it was a console gem that could be more than it was
Exactly
Not just capable with 2D but 3D as well.
More specifically, the architecture was based on how Sega’s arcade machine boards worked. This enabled certain very specific “Sega-like” graphical effects but most developers weren’t used to working with such hardware. PlayStation was a simple system to program for and that really benefitted it. It’s a tragedy we barely saw what the Saturn could do here in the US.
@@maxducoudrayno it isn’t lmao, no one cares about murica
“More than it was” ummmm….it got 7 years of development (1994-2001) & had over 1,200 games. Both the most for any Sega console. What else could it have done besides receive a ton of murican sports trash ports or whatever…? It probably has the greatest RPG library ever, inarguably the greatest SHMUP library ever, arguably the greatest platformer library ever, and likely has the greatest library of exclusives ever 😂
Oh....my....God , some of those prices are outrageous. 800 , 1000 $ ?!🤪.
Niice compilation. There were many good games i haven't heard before.
Free on Internet Archive. =0>
W disc rot id never pay that.
I always wanted a Saturn. I remember spending a lot of time on in-store demo station at Sears lol. Long time ago 😅
Man great video with the exception of the Elevator Action Returns omission. Great work
The king of 2D
Video looks good, it looks like a very, VERY dim CRT. King of Fighters 97, Samurai Spirits, and maybe Real Bout Fatal Fury are best used with the 1MB RAM expansion otherwise you could get glitched sprites.
Yeah it looks better on a tv. I might add more color, gamma and contrast next time.
@@wobblingpixels3921 i really like your style of videos. however i think that this crt filter is poor, not because it is dim but because it is not stable, it seem to be causing screen glitches and wobbling (assuming it is the cause). tho i know this channel is about wobbling pixels but not wobbling scanlines :)
@@GOSOVAable can you show me an exmaple in the video for screen gliches and wobbling? I think it might bo connacted to my capture card.
@@wobblingpixels3921 focus your gaze on the center of the screen, you will notice it. it is present almost from beginning to end
a clear example at 0:30 to 0:33
you could see it anywhere, and maybe focusing on the stairs might help
I really want a Japanese region Sega Saturn...
There are so many Japan exclusive games!
You can buy an action replay cartridge, flash pseudo Saturn Kai, and make your NA Saturn region unlocked...
Lol why would you have to buy a JP SS just in order to play them….?
What kind of shader did you use for the video? It looks awesome! 🤩
oh god.. Herc's adventure and Crows looks so smooth..
Thank you so much for this video I amor the 2D games on Saturn and PS1.
The price of these games is ridiculous!
What a collection of truly beautiful 2D games! As a PlayStation fan I'm thrilled. Too bad Sega broke her own legs with stupid marketing moves...
Saturn received 7 years of dev & had over 1,200 titles….
This guy made Predator and Thomas Crown Affair. He should be able to do whatever movie he wants, completely on his terms
Nice showcase of the Saturn's 2D greatness. I was going to comment that the Neo Geo ports featured, require the 1MB cartridge. I noticed sprite issues with games like Real Bout Fatal Fury, if you play it with the 4MB cart. I want to ask why you didn't include prices for games that were released across multiple regions. The Japanese release of Marvel Super Heroes is considerably less expensive than the North American release.
...this is so much more effort to set the price of every genre version. Also the majority of my viewrs comes from america or are english speaking. With some games this will be game breaker. maybe I will it include next time.
The settings you're using on the RetroTink are yielding output that's nothing short of amazing.
what filter did you use to get that impressive scanlines effect?
I need answer for this too.
same looks so good, in case you wont get an answer, CRT Royale is great for really really low res games
The Saturn is a beast, so many great games, in 2d or even 3d. So sad that back in the 90’s every teenager laughed when I said that I have a Saturn.
I am a rpg fan and the Saturn has the biggest catalog by far, even only in Japanese I played shining force 3 scenario 3 hundreds hours, same for arcana strikes, sorvice, wachenroder, valhollian, puyo puyo dungeon…
dont forget shining the holy ark
@@pedronicolau9246and dozens upon dozens more. Saturn had over 110 RPGs
It deserves a part two
Just found your channel and man, I am obsessed lol.
Nice video as always but those prices lol....
What settings are you using for Saturn on the Retrotink? I see setup tutorials for other systems on your channel but not the Saturn!
super tempo, groove on fight, guardian heroes (my personal choices)
Albert Odyssey music is awesome!
Good stuff as always!! Thanks!
Nice vid, can you say what setting or preset do you use please?
I had the Universal Adapter and would rent Japanese games at HGA in Torrance CA in the late 90's ❤ SEGA
Show me where I can get Power Drift for $12 and I'll buy it today! LOL
That Power Racing music score, is totally familiar to me, but I can't remember from where... Does somebody recognize?
bro how can this look this crisp and clean, what type of emulator are u using??
original hardware with retrotink5x hardware scaler
This is so damn impressive, has that arcade vibe and it looks just so so much better than that PS1 crap with cubic heads and ugly textures.
I personally don't have nostagia for scanlines because I didn't notice them back in the day. Apprently they were less noticeable with pal tvs.
I was thinking that when playing my MD recently. The scanlines really aren’t that prominent
Depends on many different factors - CRT TV model, picture calibration, 240p source resolution (not 480i), etc. When done right, scanlines are gorgeous on original CRT. Now days most scanline generators are stupidly applying a mask of dark "lines", but doing so effecitvely ruins the overall picture and color brightness. This is not doing justice at all to the CRT glory days.
Cant wait for the Sega Saturn core on Mister one day :D
edit: did i miss it or didnt Policenauts make this list at all?
I had it on my list but I didn't include it. Its a hard call with all the great 2d saturn games. ;)
I love Sega
hello, what type of crt video filter did you use please
Great video. Thanks. New subscriber.
Where is the great X-Men vs Street Fighter?? Incredible game and superior to the PSX port. Marvel vs Street Fighter is another option. Nice video!
Lost Vikings 2 also looks (and plays) great, and it is NEVER included in lists like this one 😕
Question: why was Metal Slug chugging so badly? Did it just run like that on the Saturn?
They're called Platformers
Meanwhile I gave this video a 👍🏻's up. However I'm more interested in 3-D graphics of SEGA SATURN then Playstation one graphics..
And yes 2D games do play better on SEGA SATURN than Sony one.
However for many people to say that Sega Saturn is only A2-D machine system is totally a misconception.
Saturn has way more powerful chips set, then PlayStation one.
Don't get me wrong I still like playstation one for other reasons.
PS1 sold better
Games are cheaper and easier to find in wild I appreciate all video game systems but Saturn holds the trophy today wait a minute I mean for the DECADE'S!
🎛🔉🎵🎮🤘🏻🤩🎧📺🎚🔊🎶
Sony fanboy's want to Argue Just compared Duke Nukem 3-D Even to be loved Nintendo 64.
DUKE NUK'EM 3-D Saturn
Crows - WOW!! 😮
Nicely done!
how do you get those beautiful scanlines? which emulator is that on which system? and what are these scanlines called if you use RA. Thanks !
Retrotink5x hardware scaler with real console hardware
Can you share your DC settings? I am struggling to get a decent image from either the offical RGB scart or S-Video via the VGA Box. Even with the masks, this comes nowhere near VGA + OSSC and always looks blurry / jaggy / bleed colors. However, in your videos DC looks amazing via Retrotink 5x
I have a video on my channel for DC settings VGA
@@wobblingpixels3921 I have that one and running it on my OSSC. But can you share the RGB SCART Retrotink 5x settings too? I saw your video comparing to other scalers but did not get full idea from that.
@@xxxMujTubexxx I don't use RGB sorry. I would recommend to buy one of the 15/31Mhz scart cables.
@@wobblingpixels3921 Hey, sorry, I might have said that wrong. I am using the offical DC SCART cable. Is that different from the 15/31 Mhz ones?
@@wobblingpixels3921 All good, found my answer here th-cam.com/video/H7z5uxtajt0/w-d-xo.html Not sure why I did not see it before. Thanks for your videos!
Those scanlines looks so nice!!
Is there any "In the Hunt" version that fixes the slowdown issue?
AnY FAN MOD ?
Great graphics for its time
Why is there a crisscross pattern on some of the games? If this is what systems look like using the Retrotink, then I'm glad I'm using RGB on a 15khz monitor.
Nice. Watching in 55' tv
What type of pixel bit is this? 16, 32, 64? Or is it more can someone tell me?
Are the ones that are not classic games Saturn exclusives?
Im never selling my Saturn. It’s my favorite system. Plus all the games i got have a ridiculous asking price unlike my ps1.
Bro you are lucky! You have a literal goldmine, keep that collection safe 😁
Wait... Isn't Herc's Adventure (3:14) a 3d game? I'm confused now.
It’s 2.5D
Dragon Force and Princess Crown should have been on the list.
Actually Dragon Force has the most sprites available on screen (when on battle mode).
No, Dragon Force TWO. The second one was far superior to the first
Gorgeous!
No love for Super Tempo, huh?
I wonder how the neo Geo stacks up against Saturn when it comes to 2d
I think that's obvious when Metal Slug doesn't run as good on either ps1 or Saturn, the Neo-Geo is a 2d beast that nobody could afford😂
400 dollars for a game wtf
Sega should have done an echo and sonic 2d game for the saturn. The obsession with 3d was unnecessary
Indeed, even to this day Sega prefers to release a Sonic 3D game instead of giving Sonic the awesome 2D game it deserves.
It was mandatory as gaming was headed that way.
@@TheMinchiowere you sleeping on the Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush series as well as Sonic Mania and now Sonic Superstars?
As much as I loved Sega, only Sega can kill consoles like this and Dreamcast, how! lol
Saturn was their most prolific console it had over 1,200 games, what’re you talking about…?
X-Men vs Street Fighter ?????
I hate the fake CRT filter
Sad what happened to this console, which had so much potential yet to be realized. We didn't have a Saturn but i'm a fan of the industry and it's always a major downer with great businesses lose their way and can't get back.
I'm hoping we'll eventually see a Sega console in the future. Be great for fans and the market, which sorely needs competition. Be awesome to see Sega smack Xbox and Sony in the mouth.
I get the impression those are fake scanlines and y0ou didn't actually record this on a real crt. The scanlines are distracting. Old consumer tv's usually had a bit of blending and color bleed. Which made them seem to look better than on a modern tv/monitor. Additionally 16bit era machines and back didn't have true transparency so they often had transparent pixels which when displayed on a crt monitor/tv gave the illusion of transparency. I'm not sure if the Saturn had actual transparency or not, but still, they usually made them for old tube tv's. I set my res down to 480, because at least the scanlines are less distracting.
No, the Saturn didn't have real transparency. The sprites that look like checkerboard patterns such as the foreground panels in Samurai Shodown are a trick devs used to make them look transparent on composite signals due to limited chroma bandwidth.
@@meinukey - I didn't know if the Saturn did, but I did know about the trick.
You expect someone to point a camera at a CRT TV for a TH-cam video? That would look ridiculous and no one would watch.
@@davidfaustino4476 - I've seen people do just that to show differences in displays, and it doesn't look ridiculous and people do watch depending on the content of the video. Don't you have anything better to do than to try to put negative replies to random TH-cam comments? Did I offend you in some way by suggesting the fake scanlines in the video were distracting? If so, I would suggest that says something more about you than my comment does about me.
@@meinukey There are plenty of examples of "real" transparency on Saturn, in both sprites and polygons, that don't resort to the mesh trick (Radiant Emerald track of Sonic R for one). It was just harder to do and often came with tradeoffs. th-cam.com/video/-g13EsG6sGY/w-d-xo.html
Three dirty Dwarves, Earthworm Jim 2
But how can a console that sells 8,260,000 units be considered a failure?
What’re you talking about…?
@@marcbasilI think he is including the japanese console sales, but he has a point...somewhat. it was in other regions where it did indeed fail
I love crt tv!😍
How did you get the saturn to look so beautiful?
Using hardware upscaler Retrotink5x PRO with scanlines and CRT mask enabled.
@@wobblingpixels3921 the retrotink5x cool, how does the ossc compare to 5x pro? As I'm considering buying ossc.
@@GameZoneBirdroom Retrotink5x is overall the best/better choice. Especially with 480i games
prices all wrong, they are much cheaper lol
Kinda weird how a console capable of full 3d games can't do 2d transparency.
I know right SNES had it I still love my Saturn though and why the hell they didn't have an easier way to do transparency especially for a 32-bit system
AFAIK, the saturn CAN do proper 2D transparency, even 3D transparency when the dev is able and willing to jump through some hoops and put up with the saturns quirks - but apparently not many devs bothered or knew how to do it.
And most games made in the US or japan were probably made with NTSC composite video in mind, which can generate a "transparency" effect out of dithered fake transparency.
I assume that was "good enough" ... the problem these days is that this hack does not work with any higher quality video signal like PAL composite, RGB or svideo.
it could do transparency. Watch Street Racers ps1 vs Saturn comparison.
@@davidwatkins6307SNES like Saturn can mix two layers. Front layer can have transparency or lighting.
@@KenjiUminoproblem is that SEGA split the graphics circuit onto two chips. Atari Jaguar has everything on Tom and can draw shadows on the floor. Jaguar homebrew seems to favour 2d. I would love to see a demo with pre-multiplied alpha and where a RISC software renderer (a la 32x) multiplies the background at the affected pixels. Super Mario ghosts on Jaguar. How fast is access to VRAM for the second SH2 ?
With so many beautiful games like these, there will always be doubts and questions about why the Saturn failed. From the results, one gets the impression that the console was a bomb not only because of the hardware's inefficient performance, but also because of a presumably poor collection of games - but that's not quite true.
Uhh, wat…? It didn’t fail, it received nearly 7 years of development (1994-2001) & had over 1,200 titles, the most games for any Sega console. What’re you talking about…?
@@marcbasil This is a controversial issue, because commercially there is no doubt that the Saturn was a failure from the beginning of the project to the end. The duo of RISC processors combined with Sega's proprietary media doomed this hardware and the good rapport the company had with game developers. The piracy of games in CD-ROM format and the much simpler hardware of the PS1 simply annihilated the competition and Sega suffered a lot of damage while following the rules faithfully, with the Saturn being a very difficult console to break protection locks and program to this day.
Great games 😻
scanlines means you're sitting too close
How is anyone supposed to collect for this console with prices like that? They need a Saturn Mini desperately. All these games look so fun
Dude there are several options for the Saturn that allow you to play your own burned copies 😂 no need for a Saturn mini
Lol the prices....
Playstation could and had alot of 2d games. Just that Saturn had a ton more.
yes but the Playstation has no 2D architecture. It's basically all flat triangles. The Saturn had 2D and 3D architecture.
These are sprites using 2D tricks like horizontal interrupts
Very true, PS1 had a greater variety of 2D games. Saturn had more because they were cheaper to make
@@themeangene Plus, marketing-wise, the name of the game was "Let's make as many 3D games as possible to impress so we can look impressive." Not that I mind that though because the PS1 does have some awesome 3D games, but it's a shame how 2D was left in the dust for a while.
@@nickbond6447LMAO wut.
PSX did 2D horribly lol. Saturn also had the better exclusives. Saturn was superior overall